[SlimDevices: Touch] Browsing experience using a remote like Harmony
Hi, I'm considering a Touch for the 24/96 support (got a Duet now). Also the possibility to get ONE remote for everything is appealing and I want a Harmony One to do the job. However - the Touch will be positioned about 2.5 meters from my couch so the questions is: How is the browsing experience from this distance - if it is possible at all to see the screen? Are there any pictures/interactive stuff about this remote browsing to find on the internet? Logitech's sales pages are not very informative :( -- -- ITemplate ITemplate's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32749 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72387 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Will the Touch be on display at CES this year???
Its already on display in the Netherlands in the wifimedia shop. Very nice design. Looks smaller IRL than expected. -- SilverRS8 Author of -'AlbumCatalogCreator' (http://acc.vanholt.nl)- for SqueezeCenter '_' (http://www.badkamerpech.nl) SlimServer. 2xSB3, 1xDuet, 1xiPhone iPeng, Ubuntu NAS + SC, Denon PMA-1500AE + DacMagic + Monitor Audio Silver RS8 = :-) SilverRS8's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12818 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72330 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Browsing experience using a remote like Harmony
ITemplate;493553 Wrote: Hi, I'm considering a Touch for the 24/96 support (got a Duet now). Also the possibility to get ONE remote for everything is appealing and I want a Harmony One to do the job. However - the Touch will be positioned about 2.5 meters from my couch so the questions is: How is the browsing experience from this distance - if it is possible at all to see the screen? Are there any pictures/interactive stuff about this remote browsing to find on the internet? Logitech's sales pages are not very informative :( -- Just tried it with my Harmony One from 2.5 metres - I find it easily readable -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72387 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] technical info audiophile about SB Touch
Kevin Haskins;493573 Wrote: Sure.. I'm just pointing out that if you cannot hear a difference, then it doesn't matter.You don't get brownie points for making something less inaudible. I think the Touch used as a server and outputting via SPDIF directly into a DSP or a DAC is the cat's meow.I see no reason why you need to spend more for that task. well, depends that which are the quality of the speakers utilized, the environment and which is the ability to hear differences. :-)) For most people is enough quality mp3 that does not mean it's the best, the difference between an mp3 and a wav file I think it's recognizable by equipment of average quality. Certainly if there is some component that prevents the plant to hear these differences is pointless to change the DAC I will experiment with the internal DAC of the Touch but I think i will use the coax output to connect an external DAC like the Musical Fidelity VDAC that promises good performance at relatively low cost -- perito industriale perito industriale's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34754 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72246 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] technical info audiophile about SB Touch
perito industriale;493597 Wrote: I will experiment with the internal DAC of the Touch but I think i will use the coax output to connect an external DAC like the Musical Fidelity VDAC that promises good performance at relatively low cost I'll wait until I can listen to the Touch myself, nevertheless, all information gathered around converges to one point : you will probably need a much better dac than the V-dac to outperform it. ;) -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Cyrus 8xp - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72246 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] technical info audiophile about SB Touch
Themis;493619 Wrote: I'll wait until I can listen to the Touch myself, nevertheless, all information gathered around converges to one point : you will probably need a much better dac than the V-dac to outperform it. ;) The modified VDAC output stage and power more parties .. you point to savings from a good base. The DAC chip used in VDAC is good the rest can upgrade -- perito industriale perito industriale's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34754 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72246 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] technical info audiophile about SB Touch
perito industriale;493597 Wrote: well, depends that which are the quality of the speakers utilized, the environment and which is the ability to hear differences. :-)) For most people is enough quality mp3 that does not mean it's the best, the difference between an mp3 and a wav file I think it's recognizable by equipment of average quality. Certainly if there is some component that prevents the plant to hear these differences is pointless to change the DAC I will experiment with the internal DAC of the Touch but I think i will use the coax output to connect an external DAC like the Musical Fidelity VDAC that promises good performance at relatively low cost I design transducers so I can safely say, it doesn't matter how much you spend, or what the marketing department says, the very most expensive and best loudspeaker has orders of magnitude more distortion than does the DAC in the Touch. ;-) That is my only point. -- Kevin Haskins Kevin Haskins's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30729 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72246 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] technical info audiophile about SB Touch
Kevin Haskins wrote: I design transducers so I can safely say, it doesn't matter how much you spend, or what the marketing department says, the very most expensive and best loudspeaker has orders of magnitude more distortion than does the DAC in the Touch. ;-) A related point: Often speakers are located in the wrong place. Huge improvements in sound can be had for no money, just move the speakers. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] technical info audiophile about SB Touch
Kevin Haskins;493634 Wrote: I design transducers so I can safely say, it doesn't matter how much you spend, or what the marketing department says, the very most expensive and best loudspeaker has orders of magnitude more distortion than does the DAC in the Touch. ;-) That is my only point. But that got to do! You're comparing 2 different things. You can not compare the distortion of the signal and the power .. :-O Distortion then is not the only parameter on which you decide the quality of a component hifi / hiend! is important but not the only, if you're a designer you should know -- perito industriale perito industriale's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34754 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72246 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Olive 2 Player ?
Does anyone here have or have they looked in detail at the Olive 2 player? http://www.olive.us/products/olive2_overview.html Streams from Olive 4 server or any PC/Mac/NAS. Wired or WiFi Comes with a remote but can also be browser controlled. Touchscreen. TosLink, COAX, Analog outputs Streams up to 24/96 Aluminum enclosure Etc. It's pricier than the Touch but is Made in USA. Any thoughts in comparison to the Touch? -- USAudio USAudio's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8580 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72397 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Olive 2 Player ?
Looks interesting, but they don't provide any details about the DAC and analog output stage. Also, the angle of the display would make it difficult to view from your listening position. I presume they figure you'd use and iPhone or iTouch for primary control. I d/l the Opus 4 brochure, which actually has erroneous information about the Squeezebox and Transporter... http://downloads.olive.us/brochure_opus_no4.pdf Looking forward to seeing some reviews! -- sleepysurf main system: sb2 (with elpac linear psu) benchmark dac-1 modwright swl 9.0se c-j premier 350 ml summits. audience au24e and blue jeans cables. secondary systems: sb3 in master br (russound r235ls amp driving in-ceiling speaker) and game room (powered swan s200a speakers), with boom in home office. member of 'the tampa bay listening society' (http://www.thetbls.com/) sleepysurf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72397 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] technical info audiophile about SB Touch
perito industriale;493639 Wrote: But that got to do! You're comparing 2 different things. You can not compare the distortion of the signal and the power .. :-O Distortion then is not the only parameter on which you decide the quality of a component hifi / hiend! is important but not the only, if you're a designer you should know THD+N is pretty useless as a sole metric, that is true. Especially with loudspeakers where the on/off-axis FR measurements are more important. But... when you are splitting hairs over 0.005 THD+N Vs. 0.0001 THD+N, it is almost guaranteed that there is little audible difference between the two. Also, you have to more broadly define how it is measured. Small amounts of odd-order are very audible, higher amounts of even order harmonics much less so.Also, you would have to know where the distortion components are in relation to the frequency band. You can listen to 10% THD at 20 Hz and not tell a distorted sinewave from an undistorted one.So... yes, it is more complicated than a simple single number but there is plenty of research showing what is and what is not audible. With transducers, we are very happy to get 1% THD+N at higher listening levels. Those distortion products are both even odd order depending upon the mechanism causing them.I'd say we are pretty safe in saying that those non-linearities swamp those that are another 40-60dB further down. It is like saying you can appriciate the sound of your hifi while using your chainsaw. Nobody would consider that a rational exercise, yet we routinely make such comparisons when judging audio components. The rational person, turns off the chainsaw before they fine tune their audio system for best performance. The irrational person quibbles about the nuances of the performance while ignoring the chainsaw. -- Kevin Haskins Kevin Haskins's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30729 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72246 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Browsing experience using a remote like Harmony
Thanks Phil, I'll give it a go... -- ITemplate ITemplate's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32749 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72387 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
