Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch or NAS
I was using a USB DAC when I noticed the issue, but subsequently noticed it all the other outputs so I came to the conclusion it was NOT a USB specific issue. After a lot of listening tests and trying different things I came to the conclusion that the primary correlation was decoding flac files on the touch. I have tried numerous tests both with ADM and checking for jitter on the clocks and have not been able to find any difference. Now my jitter measuring capability is not super sensitive so it might still be there but I can't measure it. (really good jitter measuring equipment is really expensive, there is no way I can afford to buy some) What I DID fins was that jitter increases slightly when playing to headphones. Please don't take what I'm saying as meaning that the Touch is somehow defective or woefully underpowered or any thing like that, I am definitely NOT saying that!!! One of the advantages of the Sb approach is that you put most of the computing on another computer (the server) out of the listening environment, there are many good reasons to do that. The more you put computing back in the SB you are negating those advantages to some degree. Exactly what these are and exactly how they interact with us is not fully understood so I can't give you a precise reason. And to make it much more difficult it seems to vary significantly from setup to setup. For ME the best sound happens when as much computing as possible is done remotely. Others will disagree with that, thats fine. Thats one of the beauties of the Sb system, its very flexible, it lets YOU determine how you want to set up your system and optimize things based on how it sounds to YOU. I also don't want want people to blow this out of proportion, the worst I can get out of the touch (playing flac files on the local server with a USB drive plugged in going got headphones) is actually still really good, much better than most of the equipment in my house. Its just that if you optimize things it sounds phenomenal. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72566 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Unofficial official Release Date
Looks like people is feedup of the touch talking about the expected release date. Hopefully, it'll be a christmas release -- tomasito tomasito's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34926 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73231 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Unofficial official Release Date
tomasito;525253 Wrote: Looks like people is feedup of the touch talking about the expected release date. Hopefully, it'll be a christmas release Instead of the release being Wow - the Touch was released, COOL, it will be oh, they finally released the touch, eh?. -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 4 Booms, 1 duet, 1 receiver. SuSE 11.0 Server running SqueezeCenter 7.3.3, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 30,015 songs, 2,448 albums, 451 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73231 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Unofficial official Release Date
tomasito;525253 Wrote: Looks like people is feedup of the touch talking about the expected release date. Sure looks like that. I for one was amazed that after months of speculation, rumors, complaining, etc., about the Touch release there was just about zero reaction in this forum to the announcement 7 days ago about the '7.5.0 code freeze' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76016), since that is the software that has been holding things up. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73231 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Unofficial official Release Date
aubuti;525261 Wrote: Sure looks like that. I for one was amazed that after months of speculation, rumors, complaining, etc., about the Touch release there was just about zero reaction in this forum to the announcement 7 days ago about the '7.5.0 code freeze' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76016), since that is the software that has been holding things up. That is a good sign. The development team has been chasing its tail for over a year just trying to get someone (anyone) to set a concrete spec for the Touch. By freezing things, the development team can at least tackle the last handful of high priority bugs. A couple of those bugs look pretty gnarly, though, so I don't expect a surprise release of the Touch tomorrow. April/May may finally be doable, though. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73231 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch or NAS
Yes - headphones - that was it... couldn't remember that part - I never did test that... might get chance in 2-3 weeks time -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72566 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Unofficial official Release Date
Wow - the Touch was released, COOL, it will be oh, they finally released the touch, eh?. Ha. So true. For me the time line was: 1) Start researching solutions about October. 2) Discover Logitech's Touch, compare it to others, and decide it's a great product 3) Go to order touch and come to find out it's not even out yet. Given the way it was promoted on their site, this was surprising. 4) So, I preorder anyway, thinking it's got to be close. 5) Then I find out the release is so far off, there's not even a release date. So, I begin to look at other solutions. 6) Find another solution for very little extra cost that accomplishes my main objective. 7) Cancel preoder. 8) Now, I'm just casually interested in the Touch. It still seems like a good product, but not sure if I really need it or would use it that much. So, given the cost, I'll wait till it comes out, see how it performs, and reevaluate if I still want one. As far as I am concerned now, they can wait till Christmas, because I'll probably just ask for one as a gift at that point. -- BrianB BrianB's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35727 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73231 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Unofficial official Release Date
gellie;522538 Wrote: Hopefully this will give Apple ample time to catch up with a competing product! Yeauch! -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73231 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Unofficial official Release Date
BrianB;525316 Wrote: Ha. So true. 7) Cancel preoder. 8) Now, I'm just casually interested in the Touch. It still seems like a good product, but not sure if I really need it or would use it that much. So, given the cost, I'll wait till it comes out, see how it performs, and reevaluate if I still want one. As far as I am concerned now, they can wait till Christmas, because I'll probably just ask for one as a gift at that point. So true, so true. -- carib carib's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34240 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73231 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Unofficial official Release Date
Blah. The Touch is what I want and need. It goes to market when it goes to market. I pre-ordered just a week ago. When it arrives, I'll be pleased. -- jstraw jstraw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73231 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
Has anyone who thinks he needs a higher sample rate for supposedly better quality sound ever stopped to think that even if your sample rate wasnt 192 kHz but instead as high as 24 bit/10,000 kHz, your home hifi system is still never going to get anywhere near the same quality sound as sitting in the audience at a classical concert? new orchestra hall is a $100 million proposition Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Concert Hall Acoustics http://www.angelfire.com/music2/davidbundler/acoustics.html And do the audiophiles also realize that no instrument that requires electricity (e.g. guitar, electronic keyboard, electronic drum kit, electric organ like the B-3, in other words all the instruments used to produce 95% of all music available today) dont have any better specs than 24 bit/48 kHz? (the only exception is software synths that sometimes go higher) -- mortslim mortslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11039 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192
mortslim;525387 Wrote: Has anyone who thinks he needs a higher sample rate for supposedly better quality sound ever stopped to think that even if your sample rate wasnt 192 kHz but instead as high as 24 bit/10,000 kHz, your home hifi system is still never going to get anywhere near the same quality sound as sitting in the audience at a classical concert? new orchestra hall is a $100 million proposition Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Concert Hall Acoustics http://www.angelfire.com/music2/davidbundler/acoustics.html And do the audiophiles also realize that no instrument that requires electricity (e.g. guitar, electronic keyboard, electronic drum kit, electric organ like the B-3, in other words all the instruments used to produce 95% of all music available today) dont have any better specs than 24 bit/48 kHz? (the only exception is software synths that sometimes go higher) Yeah, you are right. I don't understand why don't we still listen to Compact Cassette -- temerini temerini's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35877 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Unofficial official Release Date
Just received an email from Logitech today with a customer survey link asking how I liked my online shopping experience for the unit they've still not yet shipped. I especially enjoyed the question as to how I liked the product's packaging. Now that's just downright fascinating! They seem to have a natural instinct at this company for how to turn up the volume on the boneheaded move meter just when you thought it was about as high as it could go. Whew! -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73231 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Unofficial official Release Date
mlsstl;525426 Wrote: They seem to have a natural instinct at this company for how to turn up the volume on the boneheaded move meter just when you thought it was about as high as it could go. I would not be surprised if in some obscure corner of the company they have noticed that the warehouses are full of unsold SB Touch units and are debating whether to discontinue the product due to lack of sales. -- upstatemike 6x SliMP3, 1x SB1, 2x SB2, 10x SB3, 2x SBR, 4x SBC, 1x Boom upstatemike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73231 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Unofficial official Release Date
mlsstl;525426 Wrote: They seem to have a natural instinct at this company for how to turn up the volume on the boneheaded move meter just when you thought it was about as high as it could go. :D hilarious. I would not be surprised if in some obscure corner of the company they have noticed that the warehouses are full of unsold SB Touch units and are debating whether to discontinue the product due to lack of sales. shhh ... please don't talk about it - someone might be reading and getting ideas ... -- bluegaspode 1x SB-Controller+Receiver (Duet), 1xSB-Boom. 1xSB-Radio Server (7.4.1) running on SheevaPlug (Ubuntu) with attached Western Digital MyBook Essential. Secondary 7.4 Server on Debianized Buffalo Linkstation LS-CHL. bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73231 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Unofficial official Release Date
bluegaspode;525452 Wrote: shhh ... please don't talk about it - someone might be reading and getting ideas ... No No No, keep talking about the lack of sales. Then some bean counter might sell them to Big Lots or me at pennies on the dollar if we buy the warehouse lot! -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73231 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Remote for Touch
Tony_Jeffree;524353 Wrote: If you have a device that will run Windows Mobile (e.g., HP iPAQ or similar - should be able to get one for not much) then you can use SlimControl - http://www.sciatec.de/SlimControl/index.html Seems to work pretty well for me. Regards, Tony I agree enthusiastically. Using my Omnia II cell phone (which I had anyway) with this program gives me a much better controller than the Duet controller (which now sits in its cradle, ignored). Lyrics, track info, album art, complete control, with a MUCH larger display. WELL worth 10 euros. I am using this now to control my SB3 and receiver, and plan to use it with the Touch (sometime). Best, Jack -- JIJ3 JIJ3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36534 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69967 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
