Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Is Touch bitperfect at less than 100% volume on 16/44.1?
miab;550841 Wrote: > I thought I remembered John Swenson mentioning that at 16/44.1 digital > output you could decrease the volume and still have bit-perfect output > up to a point. Something to do with the extra bits and the 24 bit > capacity.? Bitperfect means the same information. Different volume means different information, how could a different volume contain the same information, after all, ALL audio information is only volume information (at different frequencies). -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79143 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Is Server 7.5.1 available for the Touch?
I installed 7.5.1-30822 yesterday in the hope it may improve re-bufferring - it didn't. It did however then tell me that my USB HDD was formatted in an unsupported format. ( then converted from FAT32 to NTFS to no avail. I've had to do a factory restore & another rescan & will see if it's recovered this morning. Owning a Squeezebox is becoming increasingly like owning a classic car. Nice to look at & seems like a good idea but of no practical use... -- rbz5416 rbz5416's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12089 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79123 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Is Touch bitperfect at less than 100% volume on 16/44.1?
Yes the digital spdif is bit perfect until you are at <16 bits. And the digital volume works with 24bit resolution. So 6dB per bit gives you -48dB before the bits runs out . (of course the increments are smaller than 6dB ) I have no idea what it represents is these 100 squeezevolume units ? That are not even the same in all players . So no signal degradation in the spdiff out itself at >16 bit levels ok. The interesting part is what happens next, this is often debated in the audiophile forum search treads there, interesting read. If you got an old 16bit or 18bit dac never use the digital attenuation the spdif standard is such it discards the lower bits in the incoming data if it cant handle it. Yes the Touch is outputting 24bits at 100% volume even if play a 16/44.1 file, but the bottom 8bits are padded with zero's . Also if you are feeding a digital HT preamp or reciever with the spdiff you should also keep the volume at 100% as this device's has a lot of processing and it's own digital volume control Also no practical dac is 24bit if they for example has 120dB S/N ratio a very good number, but 120dB it is 20bit of data, so the rest is buried in the noise so this -24dB before you are down at 20bit ok . And no dac is linear so they are not the same even in the usable 20bits . So in a practical application you get more noise and distorsion out of the external dac as the volume goes down, everybody is in agreement here. Then opinions differ here,from that this effect can always be heard, to that it does not matter because the volume is much lower so you won't hear that its is "bad" anyway. There are users that has abandoned the preamp and uses a squeezebox with it's own dac's and passive attenuators to get a "decent" listening level, and uses the upper range of the digital volume to do daily adjustments, they will of course have some increased noise etc at lower levels, but they are trading this against the noise and distortion of an analog preamp . This is of-course not night and day differences ,given small adjustment at higher levels. You got to have a decent setup to hear this or to imagine that you hear it ;) (imho placebo works even better in an high end rigg because then you have a higher level of expectations, regardless of the so called high end stereos real performance, some components can be worse than a chinese dvd player even if they cost you dearly, but the speakers are often always better.) You welcome to the nitpicking at our audiphile forum and to roll in the mud with us other audiophiles, but do not take the proceedings to seriously this is a hobby and we are on the internet. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe'Primare and Dynadio speakers (including a pair of Contour 4 ) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79143 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Is Touch bitperfect at less than 100% volume on 16/44.1?
Bit perfect is only at 100%. What you are referring to is the "effective resolution". Since the DAC has 24 bits the 16 bits can be attenuated a fair amount without loosing effective resolution. But its NOT bit perfect. The bits are being changed, but you are not losing dynamic range of the signal. The decibels between the highest amplitude part of the signal and the lowest amplitude part of the signal stay essentially the same. But its not EXACTLY the same signal. At some point as you decrease the volume you run out of the 24 bits and low level detail disappears. Its not just a fall off the cliff though. As you decrease the signal level there are sources of noise that stay constant, the signal to noise ratio will decrease as the volum4e goes down. In addition the DACs are not perfectly linear over their whole 24 bit range. So even though you have not run out of the 24 bits the 16 bits down lower can have increased distortion. (we are not talking about much, but it is there) John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79143 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Is Touch bitperfect at less than 100% volume on 16/44.1?
I thought I remembered John Swenson mentioning that at 16/44.1 digital output you could decrease the volume and still have bit-perfect output up to a point. Something to do with the extra bits and the 24 bit capacity.? -- miab miab's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34270 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79143 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Make a monitor or a tv display Touch's screen, is it possible?
Could it not be done with an older (ancient) lcd panel and it's lower resolution? Some older 14"-15" displays had much lower resolution and that size would be plenty. -- miab miab's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34270 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79163 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to reset Track gain (Volumecontrol) and Crossfade
Can reproduce it know. If I select no crossfade it nevertheless fades music out and in again. There is the "intelligent crossfade" which is accessible from the SBS only - something to do with that? Any other dependencies? Anybody experiencing the same? -- MCG555 MCG555's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37801 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79126 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch vs. Teac Wap 8500
iwannatouch;550823 Wrote: > According to the TEAC Europe website > (http://dspd.teac.de/index.php?id=2879&L=1), the company has several > wireless audio players that support AAC, MP3, OGG, WMA, WAV, FLAC up to > 24Bit/96kHz, Line-out up to 16Bit/48kHz. Some offer access to Internet > radio, others don't. A few have a Duet-like remote, while others > include a larger 3.5" touchscreen remote that is separate from the > receiver unit. The WAP-9500, a new model coming out this summer, will > offer a 7" color touchscreen. I don't know how the different models' > specs compare to the Touch, but I think it's worth checking out. Thanks for the link. A little more info, so if one does the firmware upgrade then it will now do FLAC. Guess they got some feedback or pushback on not supporting FLAC. I'm not great at Asia or EU exchanges, but when it cost more then a Touch in the same ad (same currency), I still have to say the Touch has the edge especially where the WAP-8500 cost more and doesn't even have S/PDIF Coax out. But that is just me, YMMV. I guess I also don't understand how one is going to receive the answer/opinion one is probably looking for from a Forum specifically geared to the Squeezebox. A general audio equipment Forum would probably be a better place to ask for a comparison. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79155 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch vs. Teac Wap 8500
According to the TEAC Europe website (http://dspd.teac.de/index.php?id=2879&L=1), the company has several wireless audio players that support AAC, MP3, OGG, WMA, WAV, FLAC up to 24Bit/96kHz, Line-out up to 16Bit/48kHz. Some offer access to Internet radio, others don't. A few have a Duet-like remote, while others include a larger 3.5" touchscreen remote that is separate from the receiver unit. The WAP-9500, a new model coming out this summer, will offer a 7" color touchscreen. I don't know how the different models' specs compare to the Touch, but I think it's worth checking out. -- iwannatouch iwannatouch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79155 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Short audio gap 10 seconds before end of song
There is a known bug that when going from one track to the next when they use a sampling rate of other than 44.1 will cause the output to go to 44.1 for a brief time. But that shouldn't have any affect if both tracks are already 44.1. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79093 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Make a monitor or a tv display Touch's screen, is it possible?
I've actually put a LOT of thought into this. It turns out that there are several different USB-> VGA converters available on the market. The problem is most of them are designed to work with Windows. The manufacturer of one of the chipsets has released a Linux driver which with a lot of effort could be compiled for a Touch. That gives you a second frame buffer. But you still have to write pixels to it. At this point you have two ways, rewrite the low level graphics routines to write to both frame buffers, or modify the existing framebuffer so it goes ahead and copies whatever is written to itself and to the new framebuffer. Of course this will be an exact duplicate, pixel for pixel of the Touch's screen. There is a problem, almost nothing else has the same pixel dimensions so it will be interesting to see if anything would display it or not. Even if it does you will have a very pixilated display, there will be no "smoothing" going on. Another option is to set the USB frame buffer up to a much larger pixel size and write a new skin for that so fonts look good etc. That would be WAY more work but could theoretically be done. Since there are a lot more pixels being displayed it might slow things down. So theoretically it could be done, but it might take a lot of work which probably means it won't happen any time soon. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79163 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Use a sub woofer with Touch
piperpilot12w;550794 Wrote: > Thanks for the explanation, I'm still learning about how to get good > sound and what all goes into it. Can you tell me why it is that my > active speakers would sound better through the balanced connection. Balanced connection provides better CMRR (Common-mode rejection ratio). -- m1abrams m1abrams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=850 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79160 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Use a sub woofer with Touch
Thanks for the explanation, I'm still learning about how to get good sound and what all goes into it. Can you tell me why it is that my active speakers would sound better through the balanced connection. -- piperpilot12w piperpilot12w's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37135 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79160 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Use a sub woofer with Touch
piperpilot12w;550792 Wrote: > Yes, my speakers(Focal CMS50) do accept balanced inputs. > > I'll probably go with the Transporter, but was just wondering if anyone > uses the Touch with a sub and how it works out. > > I currently have the Boom and it has a headphone/sub out, apparently > not the case with the Touch. > > Trying to get the best sound I can, but the Transporter ($1300) vs > Touch ($300). Big difference in price. The reason it is not on the Touch besides not having room is because the Touch like the Transporter has no need for it. Since the Touch does not have builtin speakers the Touch would not be the correct location to apply a low-freq crossover, the sub should do it. So you would then just send full-range to the sub. In the case of the Boom you are augmenting the built-in speakers so you know where the x-over should be and just output the low freq. Basically what I am saying is a Y-adapter would be no different than what you plan to do with the transporter. That said your active speakers most likely sound better with the balanced outputs. The downside to the Transporter beside cost is the fact that the platform is an aging platform and support will not be as good. Particularly the displays on it are no longer manufactured. -- m1abrams m1abrams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=850 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79160 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Use a sub woofer with Touch
Yes, my speakers(Focal CMS50) do accept balanced inputs. I'll probably go with the Transporter, but was just wondering if anyone uses the Touch with a sub and how it works out. I currently have the Boom and it has a headphone/sub out, apparently not the case with the Touch. Trying to get the best sound I can, but the Transporter ($1300) vs Touch ($300). Big difference in price. -- piperpilot12w piperpilot12w's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37135 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79160 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Make a monitor or a tv display Touch's screen, is it possible?
It would be so cool if menus and everything thats shown on the Touch's screen could be displayed on a monitor or tv. Then the issue with the hard to read screen would be solved. Wouldnt that be cool to use the Touch remote and see what you do on a big fat screen? Is it possible to make this app? Can someone please do this? :) -- jwo jwo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20461 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79163 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Brightness Logic
I'm seeing this kind of issues too with my Squeezebox Touch. When I turn off the lights in the room, sometimes the display dims but then lights up again. Sometimes it just lights up immediately. The most interesting effect has been after turning of the lights and waiting a while, when the Touch would fluctuate between bright and dark. First it would light and then immediately dim, wait a few seconds, then repeat. Eventually it settled on the bright. I've seen this a couple of times. Manually I can adjust the brightness to very dim (actually I'd like it even dimmer than what seems to be the lowest setting), but then it's unusable when the room lights are turned on. There's no separate values for "turned on" and "turned off" brightness levels like there used to be. And there's no direct brightness adjustment button on the remote now. :( So manual brightness is not really a solution, I don't want to keep adjusting it every time when I turn the device on or off. -- Wizzu Wizzu's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36045 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79057 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Use a sub woofer with Touch
piperpilot12w;550786 Wrote: > Your right, the Transporter doesn't have a sub output. > From a previous chat with members here, was told I could use the XLR > output to speakers and RCA output to the sub. Well XLR outs are balanced outputs, do your active speakers accept balanced signals? If not then just use a Y-adpater, it would be no different really. -- m1abrams m1abrams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=850 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79160 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Use a sub woofer with Touch
Your right, the Transporter doesn't have a sub output. >From a previous chat with members here, was told I could use the XLR output to speakers and RCA output to the sub. -- piperpilot12w piperpilot12w's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37135 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79160 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Short audio gap 10 seconds before end of song
Apologies. Just found that having "fade in and out" set does not cause the DAC to unsync but a short glitch is audible. Seems that "crossfade" is causing the SPDIF to drop out. -- slackhead slackhead's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79093 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Short audio gap 10 seconds before end of song
Just finished about an hour and a half of investigating this again. First I switched off SugarCube and created a playlist with three FLAC files and two MP3s from differing albums and played them repeatedly on the Touch (analog outs) with crossfade set to "Fade In and Out". On most but not all changes of tracks a short glitch could be heard at about ten seconds from the track end (I have crossfade set to ten seconds). On occasions no glitch could be heard - I couldn't make any sense of when this happened, sometimes the same crossfade of tracks would cause a audible glitch and at other times would not or the glitch was less obvious. On changing the crossfade setting to "crossfade" it appeared to lessen the occurance of the glitches however they did happen maybe about 50% less than on "fade in and out". Switching SugarCube on again appeared to make no difference. One thing I noticed through these tests was that the glitching was much less noticable than I had previously noticed, then I thought to check through my external DAC, which is the way I usually have the Touch operating. It now appears that at the glitch point the DAC loses sync and mutes for around two to three seconds which, (obviously) makes the glitches more audible. With the DAC it's now clear that the glitch is occuring more regularly than noticed on the Analog Outs. I suspected that perhaps the tracks were using different sampling frequencies and that this would be the cause of the DAC dropping its sync but a quick check confirmed them all to be 44.1kHz. So just to summarize it appears that this drop out of audio is occurring with both "crossfade" and "fade in & out" and that this is also causing some kind of break in the SPDIF output which unsyncs my DAC. I am running SBS Version: 7.5.1 - r30804 on Windows 7 Pro and my Touch is operating on wireless. Hope that gives some help toward fixing the issue. cheers, Richard -- slackhead slackhead's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79093 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Use a sub woofer with Touch
Yeah just check photos of the Transporter, and it does NOT have a sub out. The Boom though can config the headphone jack to be a low freq sub output. -- m1abrams m1abrams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=850 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79160 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Use a sub woofer with Touch
piperpilot12w;550766 Wrote: > I've got active speakers/sub. > Was considering the Touch or the Transporter. > I know the Transporter has a sub out. I am not sure the Transporter has a sub out? Does your sub have a crossover? If so you can just use a Y-adapter between the Touch and you active speakers to connect the sub. The active speakers do not have a sub out? -- m1abrams m1abrams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=850 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79160 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Use a sub woofer with Touch
piperpilot12w;550766 Wrote: > I've got active speakers/sub. > Was considering the Touch or the Transporter. > I know the Transporter has a sub out. I haven't looked at the back of my Transporter in awhile, but I don't remember a Sub Woofer out. I also don't need one so I haven't looked for one either. I will have a look when I get home. IIRC only the Boom has a Sub-Out on it. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79160 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Use a sub woofer with Touch
I've got active speakers/sub. Was considering the Touch or the Transporter. I know the Transporter has a sub out. -- piperpilot12w piperpilot12w's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37135 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79160 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Use a sub woofer with Touch
piperpilot12w;550753 Wrote: > Does anyone use a sub woofer with the Touch? > Is there a sub out? Considering that the Touch does not provide an output capable of driving speakers you would probably be best driving the sub off of whatever amp is driving the main speakers. -- m1abrams m1abrams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=850 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79160 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Use a sub woofer with Touch
Does anyone use a sub woofer with the Touch? Is there a sub out? -- piperpilot12w piperpilot12w's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37135 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79160 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Review At Computer Audiophile
Overall I would say that it a nicely written review and covers all the major selling points of a Touch, especially for the "audiophile" market. I agree that he goes a bit overboard with the plastic comments but in the world of high end nothing sells quite the phrase "milled from a billet of solid aircraft quality aluminum". I own one of the those monster aluminum audiophile remote controls and the damn thing doesn't even work half as good as the Touch's remote. If there's one thing that Logitech knows, it's remote controls. I also didn't like the reviewer's reference to the fact that the Touch is not from Apple but than again the Computer Audiophile does seem to worship at the altar of the high and holy "Steve Jobs". What puzzles me is how one can claim to be an audiophile and yet still run iTunes. I've said it many times before but it bears repeating: at this late juncture it is completely unforgivable that Apple and iTunes still does not offer native support for flac. Add in the fact that the iTunes store has yet to offer any downloads in the Apple lossless format and Apple sins against good quality computer audio are just unforgivable. -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels -> Snatch -> The Transporter -> Transporter 2 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79141 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 7.6 release major feature of TinySC moved to SbS
Tony T;550708 Wrote: > Yes, sorry, its obvious now -- I should have my coffee before posting ;) I know that feeling all too well, alas. (I don't think I'm allowed to give blood any more... there has to be some measurable caffeine in my blood that would not do a heart patient well... or heck, maybe it would. "Here, have some of this caffeine enriched blood and it'll start your heart back up!") -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79152 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 7.6 release major feature of TinySC moved to SbS
It's available now as _beta_ software, from downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly. If you use it, be forewarned that it has bugs and will be constantly changing until it is released. The official release of 7.6 will be the usual: when they think it's ready. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79152 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch vs. Teac Wap 8500
I can't really find a bunch of technical information on the device. But from the ads it seems more expensive then the Touch. It looks like it doesn't do FLAC or Apple lossless. It appears to have only an optical Toslink digital spdif output (not both Coax & Toslink like the Touch). I can find nothing on the DAC that it has or of the digital formats it supports. All I found was a 95 dB SNR. On the surface from what I was able to find, it appears lacking compared to the Touch and has a higher price tag. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79155 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Re-Buffering
Mostly the first track but it's also happened on others. -- rbz5416 rbz5416's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12089 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79055 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Re-Buffering
rbz5416;550716 Wrote: > I take that back... :( Do you have it with every song? I only get it with the 1st song, then no problems. -- Tony T Tony SBTouch ♪ SBRadio ♬ Tony T's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34544 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79055 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Touch vs. Teac Wap 8500
Did anyone compare? The Teac also works with usb hd with no use of a computer and it has optical digital out. Anyone? -- jwo jwo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20461 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79155 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Re-Buffering
rbz5416;550453 Wrote: > Oddly, I can run a Random Song Mix without problemsI take that back... :( -- rbz5416 rbz5416's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12089 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79055 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 7.6 release major feature of TinySC moved to SbS
When will it be regularly available? -- MCG555 MCG555's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37801 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79152 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 7.6 release major feature of TinySC moved to SbS
snarlydwarf;550683 Wrote: > No, because your citation says it is a feature being migrated to SBS > which doesn't mean it's being removed from TinySC. > > If you're not running SBS, it won't affect you at all. Yes, sorry, its obvious now -- I should have my coffee before posting ;) -- Tony T Tony SBTouch ♪ SBRadio ♬ Tony T's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34544 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79152 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch - first impressions and questions
yockers;550646 Wrote: > Well, as Ikabob suggested I put an update on, I thought I would. > > Having had the device for over a month now, my views are largely > unchanged, in that the viewing angle is too limited and the screen size > is too small. > > It's interesting to read in other forums users discussing what they use > to adjust the display angle, everything from lego bricks to blutak, to > get the angle they need, so I don't believe I'm the only one ! :) > > The sound quality is great and the functionality of streaming services > is of course the same, so I have to sum up that the Touch is a "nice to > have" but not a true next gen Squeezebox. If you have the V3, think > carefully before parting with your hard earned cash. ? - what's more important... Sound Quality or the Display? >From the Sound Quality perspective this is definitely a nextgen SB. Yes, I'd like a bigger display (viewing angle not an issue for me - mine is 12 inches from the floor, as was my SB3) Your angle may vary. Can I read the display from 2.5 metres - yes. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78066 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch - first impressions and questions
You can fix the viewing angle by attaching something to the rear bar of the Touch. I put little stick-on rubber feet. As for the size of the screen, I personally would not want a screen that made the Touch any larger in physical size or more expensive. You know prior to devices like the Touch, devices much more expensive than it could not even tell you what song was playing at ALL :), heck some could not tell you which track you were on! However I would strongly recommend that if seeing the display from your listening position is critical that the best option would be to get the cheapest ipod touch and install iPeng. The iPad is another option, however while iPeng app works on the iPad an optimized iPad version is not *yet* available. -- m1abrams m1abrams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=850 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78066 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch - first impressions and questions
yockers;542094 Wrote: > Hi, > Overall, I'm gutted, after such a long wait, that Logitech have chosen > to release the unit with such a poor display functionand so > far..the touch-screen function's only benefit is being able to control > it up close, after having had to walk up to the unit because I can't > see what's on the screen. > I sympathize with your predicament. On the other hand, people with CD players were used to getting up every 45-80 minutes to change the disc. And at age 53, I easily remember having to get up every 20 minutes or so to flip an LP over on the turntable. Maybe you could think of your inconvenience as one small step in the fight against obesity! -- iwannatouch iwannatouch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78066 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Review At Computer Audiophile
This statement in the review has me scratching my head? "Constructed completely of plastic the Squeezebox Touch" Um my Touch has a good bit of metal in the construction, in fact a good bit more than I would expect from a device in its price. Maybe the reviewer is referring to the actually touch screen area. -- m1abrams m1abrams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=850 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79141 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 7.6 release major feature of TinySC moved to SbS
Tony T;550676 Wrote: > Will this have any effect on users who only use the Touch's TinySC as > the server? No, because your citation says it is a feature being migrated to SBS which doesn't mean it's being removed from TinySC. If you're not running SBS, it won't affect you at all. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79152 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 7.6 release major feature of TinySC moved to SbS
If the feature to which they refer is indeed SQLite, then no, because with 7.5.0 the Touch's internal server is already using SQLite (with no MySQL option). Presumably there will be other features/fixes in 7.6 that will affect TinySC/TinySBS. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79152 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 7.6 release major feature of TinySC moved to SbS
Mnyb;550671 Wrote: > I think that it will use SQlite for the database and have the current > solution MySQl as an option. Will this have any effect on users who only use the Touch's TinySC as the server? -- Tony T Tony SBTouch ♪ SBRadio ♬ Tony T's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34544 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79152 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 7.6 release major feature of TinySC moved to SbS
I think that it will use SQlite for the database and have the current solution MySQl as an option. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe'Primare and Dynadio speakers (including a pair of Contour 4 ) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79152 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] 7.6 release major feature of TinySC moved to SbS
Bugzilla notes that "the 7.6 release has a major feature of TinySC code migrated back into the main SbS tree" Which feature are they referring to? -- Tony T Tony SBTouch ♪ SBRadio ♬ Tony T's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34544 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79152 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)
Mnyb;550662 Wrote: > Btw is the LaCie powered by USB or does it have it's own PS ? > A pattern seems to emerge on these forums, USB powered (out of USB > certified spec! nb) = potential for problems. No, it's a 3.5" HDD, with its own PS, so that is not the problem here. -- rotho rotho's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33493 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77080 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Review At Computer Audiophile
snarlydwarf;550616 Wrote: > Maybe it's because I live in a no-sales-tax state... > > But, has sales tax gotten that high? > > Or is someone just plain bonkers? Bonkers or not, its not hard to *find*, say a pair of 2 meter runs of speaker-cables costing 5K - at 6% sales tax, that would do it I guess... Of course its more difficult if the rate is 0% as in your state :) -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79141 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)
rotho;550660 Wrote: > Yesterday I installed the latest version of SBS (7.5.1/r30822) and > updated my Touch (r8810), in order to test the bug 15361 fix > (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15361), but unfortunately, > this new version does not solve my problems when using TinySC. > > I have certain 24/96 files which give me constant rebuffering problems > (sometimes, on the same album, certain files are OK and others aren't), > when reading them with TinySC from a 1.5Tb LaCie HDD (USB formatted) > containing 400Gb of Music (1200 albums). > > As I reported before, I have no problem when reading these same files > with TinySC on the same HDD, when there are only a couple of albums on > it. > > So it seems that the size of the database influences the CPU usage in > the Touch when using TinySC (that's also what I noticed by running the > top program on my computer after having enabled SSH on the Touch). > > Let's hope that other code optimizations will be made in the next > weeks... You should report this to the bug i think. As you had tested the same HDD with same files and the only diff is the total amount of files, very well defined case. Someone logitech did test over USB, but i'll bet they just stuck some files on a stick and tried with that. Btw is the LaCie powered by USB or does it have it's own PS ? A pattern seems to emerge on these forums, USB powered (out of USB certified spec! nb) = potential for problems. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe'Primare and Dynadio speakers (including a pair of Contour 4 ) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77080 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue (& Solution!)
Yesterday I installed the latest version of SBS (7.5.1/r30822) and updated my Touch (r8810), in order to test the bug 15361 fix (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15361), but unfortunately, this new version does not solve my problems when using TinySC. I have certain 24/96 files which give me constant rebuffering problems (sometimes, on the same album, certain files are OK and others aren't), when reading them with TinySC from a 1.5Tb LaCie HDD (USB formatted) containing 400Gb of Music (1200 albums). As I reported before, I have no problem when reading these same files with TinySC on the same HDD, when there are only a couple of albums on it. So it seems that the size of the database influences the CPU usage in the Touch when using TinySC (that's also what I noticed by running the top program on my computer after having enabled SSH on the Touch). Let's hope that other code optimizations will be made in the next weeks... -- rotho rotho's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33493 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77080 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] How to use SBS podcasts on Touch? HELP!
Hello I use a SB Touch with SBS 7.5.0 on a Synology NAS. I don't use mysqueezebox.com and don't want to use it. I have activated the Podcast plugin on SBS and set a few podcasts there. ON THE SB TOUCH, THERE IS NO MENU TO PLAY THE PODCASTS.[/B] NOTHING UNDER EXTRAS. NOTHING WHICH CAN BE ACTIVATED UNDER \"CUSTOMIZE THE HOME MENU\". I CAN CHOOSE THE PODCASTS ON THE WEB INTERFACE OF SBS. THERE, I CAN ADD THE TO THE FAVORITES OF THE SB TOUCH, BUT THIS IS NOT A SATISFACTORY SOLUTION. [B]HELP!! Patrick -- paf paf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37577 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79149 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch - first impressions and questions
Well, as Ikabob suggested I put an update on, I thought I would. Having had the device for over a month now, my views are largely unchanged, in that the viewing angle is too limited and the screen size is too small. It's interesting to read in other forums users discussing what they use to adjust the display angle, everything from lego bricks to blutak, to get the angle they need, so I don't believe I'm the only one ! :) The sound quality is great and the functionality of streaming services is of course the same, so I have to sum up that the Touch is a "nice to have" but not a true next gen Squeezebox. If you have the V3, think carefully before parting with your hard earned cash. -- yockers yockers's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5075 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78066 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Brightness Logic
fred7;550610 Wrote: > I noticed an option for testing the ambient light sensor - > Settings->Advanced->Factory Test->Ambient Light Sensor. There are 2 > channels and I'm seeing some unusual behavior. When my room is > completely dark the sensors read zero which I would expect. But then > they start bouncing between zero and 65529. Being a programmer I'm > suspecting that the 65529 is the sensor going negative but being > interpreted incorrectly somewhere and the most significant bit being > treated as unsigned so its getting a very large number instead of a > negaive number. This is just a guess and I'm sure that most forum > readers will not know what I'm trying to say. I'm hoping that this > information will be usefull to one of the developers, of course I can > be completely wrong. Both channels are behaving this way. When the > lights are on the value for the channels always stay positive. I had the brightness first set to automatic, but it was too irritating because the brightness started to "bumb" when I switched the lights off in the room. Setting it to manual helped. Could this your finding be the reason for the slow varying of the brightness level in the auto setting? -- yahmmu yahmmu's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34492 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79057 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
