Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch + external HD - Getting worse

2011-03-25 Thread jean2


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tank121;619253 Wrote: 
> Does anyone else share these observations, any solutions ?

I've used my Touch since last april, going through rev. 7.5.0, 7.5.1,
7.5.2 and 7.5.3. It's working as good as the first day, and I'm now at
7.5k tracks, which is around 180 GB. I've also a SB-Radio working
without any trouble from the same TinySB.

It's not perfect, there are things that never worked for me, such as
search and sync. I hope the performance improvements in 7.6 will help
for those, but I'm not holding my breath.

But, I'm pretty rigourous with respect to my setup, which probably
explain why it's working for me. More details of my setup :

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82070

Good luck...

Jean


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] what's next after touch?

2011-03-25 Thread tcutting

Is this another "speculation" thread?
My guess is we won't see a Touch replacement anytime soon.
Based on disappearance of Boom on the Logitech site recently, I'm
betting on a Squeezeplay-based Boom II with a color screen.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch + external HD - Getting worse

2011-03-25 Thread garym


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nicolas75;620928 Wrote: 
> If I am not wrong, you are the one on this forum who tells this story
> since the public release of the Touch (and the story of your brother).
> Unfortunately, this is everything but usual.
> As I said earlier, the fact that your brother uses mp3 files helps a
> lot.
> mp3 are much smaller than flac files, and far easier to handle.
> More than that, 50GB (I guess it is 50GB and not 50k as you wrote), is
> not a big library.
> Mine is nearly 200 GB

Yes that's me. And since then I've done the same with an 80+ year old
woman. My brothers library is about 50,000 tracks, mostly mp3 and some
AAC, 90 percentv with embedded art.  I think iPhone on these forums has
reported equal success with a large library of FLACS.  Personally I use
a vortex box appliance and a local SbS. (and I believe a local SbS is
the optimum setup). My point in repeating this story is that the
tinysbs can work and you don't have to be a computer geek to have it
simply work with little or no interaction with the details. Do I
recommend relying on the tinySbS?  No.


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[SlimDevices: Touch] what's next after touch?

2011-03-25 Thread tomasito

What is logitech planning next after squeezebox touch?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch + external HD - Getting worse

2011-03-25 Thread aubuti


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For the performance of TinySBS, and regular SBS for that matter, it's
the number of tracks that matters, not the number of GB. For the
scanning and database operations (which is where most of the Touch's
weaknesses are) a 50,000 track library of MP3s is no more difficult or
easy than a 50,000 track library of FLACs.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch + external HD - Getting worse

2011-03-25 Thread nicolas75


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garym;620851 Wrote: 
> I've recommended the TOUCH to several people who have no clue about how
> anything works, including their home WIFI network. At best, they've
> been able to add a password to their WIFI during setup.  These folks
> plug the TOUCH in, enter the mysb.com credentials, attach a USB drive
> with music, let it scan fully, and listen for month after month with
> nary a problem.  My brother's setup has about 50k mp3 files, all with
> embedded art. And again, no problems, it just works. He tells me that
> now and again, it will have the "update" message, and he'll say OK, and
> it then keeps working.
> 
> So I think you don't HAVE to be a geek to make it work. You do however
> have to have a robust network and generally use the right USB drive (he
> just lucked out as the one he used worked first time!).

If I am not wrong, you are the one on this forum who tells this story
since the public release of the Touch (and the story of your brother).
Unfortunately, this is everything but usual.
As I said earlier, the fact that your brother uses mp3 files helps a
lot.
mp3 are much smaller than flac files, and far easier to handle.
More than that, 50G (I guess it is 50G and not 50k as you wrote), is
not a big library.
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[SlimDevices: Touch] SBS on QNAP/Rendering Album Covers

2011-03-25 Thread souwalker

Hi

I am using a QNAP TS210 NAS with SB Server software installed in the
NAS. I am currently ripping about 400 CDs of my 800 collection into
FLAC. 

All is going well in terms of the SBS scanning for new and changed
files etc but yesterday I ripped new CDs with album art (covers.jpeg)
as I always have. I did a rescan for new or changed files. All files
were picked up but the album art was not although all art was in the
album folder. Nothing has changed from my other 390 rips.

I had to do a clear library for SBS to pick up those album covers. That
took about 45 mins owing to SBS in NAS.

My question is: is this normal as my library size increases? My NAS is
not powerful enough and as my file size increases, I will continue to
have issues with the album art not being picked up?

I am considering getting a Vortexbox Appliance which is a much more
powerful box for my flac streaming if this will help.

Your thoughts.

Best Rgds
Patrick


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Alburmflow Applet screensaver not working

2011-03-25 Thread Gerry123

Just me then.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How do you organise your music files???

2011-03-25 Thread guidof

tcutting;620542 Wrote: 
>   You may be better leaving your folder.jpg, and deleting the embedded
> art.

This is an excellent suggestion. 

In my experience, deleting the embedded artwork has resulted in
flawless consistency in displaying the high resolution "cover.jpg"
art.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] touch + spotify = no computer needed ?

2011-03-25 Thread Bloodfaya

Taking the question one step further: 

As the Touch can de-crypt the Spotify stream locally (and therefore
isn't dependent on running through a SqueezeServer Spotify plugin on a
NAS/PC for the purpose) and can, as far as I understand, stream
(synchronized or independent streams) to other Squeezebox devices
(think the official recommendation is up to 2 other devices, and not
the oldest versions)is it safe to then assume the Touch also
does stream Spotify to other devices?

My gut feeling is that there is some kind of catch, like "no,
synchronising the de-crypted stream to other devices would violate the
Spotify agreement...yes, even though it's possible to do the same thing
through SqueezeServer on a PC/NAS" ;)

The reason I ask is that since iPads and iPhones entered my household,
the only reason for having my PC running 24/7 is to be able to run
Spotify on my Duet, and to me that is just stupidity in multiple
dimensions. So I seriously consider replacing the Duet with a Touch,
and this question is to be able to decide if I should get rid of the
Duet or keep it and use it to expand the system.
(I'll probably also get a Radio at some time in the future to use
outdoors during summer, and it would be really nice to have the Spotify
stream synced out- and indoors.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] External DAC Eastern Electric Minimax

2011-03-25 Thread guidof

sta363;620783 Wrote: 
> Just curious if any other forum members have used external digital audio
> converters (DACs) with the Touch, and how you liked the sound in the
> place of the Touch internal DAC?
> I have gotten good results using the Eastern Electric (EE) Minimax DAC.
> Anybody else tried this DAC or other external DACs and with what kind
> of success?

I use the DAC in my Cambridge Azur 840C CD player. The combination
sounds terrific. Better than the using the DAC in the Touch itself,
even though the DAC in the Touch is pretty good. 

Your choice of which DAC (Touch or external) will depend on how much
you value getting the best possible sound quality. For instance, if all
you listen to is internet radio or background music, then getting an
external DAC may be overkill.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Numptie Appeal for Help Please

2011-03-25 Thread DaveKen

Hi to all old and new readers to this drawn out saga,
I have a brief update for you: -
This morning I followed GazJam's advice  -  it was necessary to do 2
'Wipe and Rescans' and one 'Factory Reset' but since that time I've had
the Touch running continuously over 6 hours now and the screen is still
showing what the screen should show. Gaz and I are both keeping
everything crossed so please feel free to join us in this posture. I
intend to keep it running all night and if it is still behaving itself
in the morning I'll declare the problem 'Solved' and post accordingly.
Meanwhile thanks for your interest and advice.
Cheers,
Dave.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch + external HD - Getting worse

2011-03-25 Thread pantapei


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My squeezebox touch works great..with External usb Hard Drive

Firmware 7.5.4
http://update.slimdevices.com/update/firmware/7.5.4/

Tweaks(buffer 3600,disable analog out and wireless..100% Volume lock)
http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/

Usb drive ..ntfs...400 gb of music
file 16/44 in flac 0..External Artwork(folder.jpg)(size 180x180)
file 24/96 wav with tag and artwork(dBpoweramp)

(sorry for the english)

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch + external HD - Getting worse

2011-03-25 Thread garym


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Jokke;620846 Wrote: 
> I fully agree!

I've recommended the TOUCH to several people who have no clue about how
anything works, including their home WIFI network. At best, they've been
able to add a password to their WIFI during setup.  These folks plug the
TOUCH in, enter the mysb.com credentials, attach a USB drive with music,
let it scan fully, and listen for month after month with nary a problem.
My brother's setup has about 50k mp3 files, all with embedded art. And
again, no problems, it just works. He tells me that now and again, it
will have the "update" message, and he'll say OK, and it then keeps
working.

So I think you don't HAVE to be a geek to make it work. You do however
have to have a robust network and generally use the right USB drive (he
just lucked out as the one he used worked first time!).


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch + external HD - Getting worse

2011-03-25 Thread Jokke


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nicolas75;620708 Wrote: 
> 
> A lot of developers (I am in the business of software development) are
> totally unable to figure out that a normal customer is not a geek, and
> that geek expectations are everything but normal customers expectations

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] External DAC Eastern Electric Minimax

2011-03-25 Thread garym

sta363;620783 Wrote: 
> Just curious if any other forum members have used external digital audio
> converters (DACs) with the Touch, and how you liked the sound in the
> place of the Touch internal DAC?
> I have gotten good results using the Eastern Electric (EE) Minimax DAC.
> Anybody else tried this DAC or other external DACs and with what kind
> of success?

I use a TOUCH with a Benchmark DAC I in one location. Works nicely and
sounds great. But to be fair, if I didn't already have the Benchmark, I
would NOT have purchased it for use with the TOUCH.

Search the forums and you'll see lots of discussion of external DACs
here.  You'll also see a lot of comments that the internal DAC of the
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Complete numptie seeks help with Touch and two Booms

2011-03-25 Thread garym

janesdsg;620826 Wrote: 
> Thanks, Garym.
> 
> I'll probably go down the Toshiba route.

I mention the toshiba, because some USB powered drives work ok with the
TOUCH and some don't.  A lot of folks have had good luck with the
TOSHIBA. A USB drive that has a "fake" partition to act as a CD drive,
for example, can cause problems with the TOUCH.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Complete numptie seeks help with Touch and two Booms

2011-03-25 Thread janesdsg

garym;620821 Wrote: 
> If it is one of the older ipods that can act as if it is simply a hard
> drive, this may be possible (I recall seeing threads about this way
> back). On the other hand, pick up a Toshiba 1TB harddrive the size of a
> pack of cigarettes and put your files on this, and connect it to the
> TOUCH.
> 
> Or better yet, get yourself a fanless, small, headless computer to run
> as a music server 24/7. Check out the SheevaPlug (squeezeplug),
> FitPC2i, etc.

Thanks, Garym.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Complete numptie seeks help with Touch and two Booms

2011-03-25 Thread aubuti

You could attach an externally-powered USB hard drive to the Touch's USB
port, and then use the Touch's built-in server to stream music to other
Squeezeboxes. The success rate with the Touch's built-in server is
definitely mixed. It works fine for some people and terribly for
others. The main determining factors seem to be type of USB drive, size
of music library, organization of music library (especially album
artwork), user expectations, user competence, and user patience. 

Newer models of iPod cannot be used as external data drives, but if
your iPod is one of the older models with a mechanical hard drive that
can be used as an external USB drive then you may be able to use it
this way.

Is putting the pc in a different room an option? Or getting a small,
inexpensive, fanless computer for running SBS?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Complete numptie seeks help with Touch and two Booms

2011-03-25 Thread garym

janesdsg;620812 Wrote: 
> Thanks Garym and Aubuti.
> 
> The music on the iPod is on my PC too but I was trying to get around
> having the PC turned on - sometimes the noise of the fan is a bit
> distracting.  Would it work to plug the iPod into the Touch through the
> USB or am I just trying to do something that's impossible?
> 
> Grateful for your thoughts.

If it is one of the older ipods that can act as if it is simply a hard
drive, this may be possible (I recall seeing threads about this way
back). On the other hand, pick up a Toshiba 1TB harddrive the size of a
pack of cigarettes and put your files on this, and connect it to the
TOUCH.

Or better yet, get yourself a fanless, small, headless computer to run
as a music server 24/7. Check out the SheevaPlug (squeezeplug),
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Complete numptie seeks help with Touch and two Booms

2011-03-25 Thread janesdsg

garym;620800 Wrote: 
> +1, and why not just have your IPOD music, on your computer that runs
> SbS and then you can sync everything just fine

Thanks Garym and Aubuti.

The music on the iPod is on my PC too but I was trying to get around
having the PC turned on - sometimes the noise of the fan is a bit
distracting.  Would it work to plug the iPod into the Touch through the
USB or am I just trying to do something that's impossible?

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[SlimDevices: Touch] Alburmflow Applet screensaver not working

2011-03-25 Thread Gerry123

On 7.6.0-r32163. As the title suggests, just get a blank screen.

Touch F/W 9397 but suspect it went a couple of updates ago.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Complete numptie seeks help with Touch and two Booms

2011-03-25 Thread garym

aubuti;620795 Wrote: 
> You can't sync another Squeezebox of any type with another Squeezebox
> that is playing from an iPod. When you connect the iPod to your Boom
> then you are basically using the Boom as a simple iPod dock, taking
> advantage of the Boom's amplifier and speakers. It doesn't pipe the
> iPod music to the music server in any way whatsoever. 
> 
> And you are correct that there is no input for this on a Touch --
> either the person you spoke to at Logitech didn't know what he/she was
> talking about, or you misunderstood.
> 
> This is something that Sonos can do, though I've personally never felt
> the need to play an iPod on multiple systems when I already have
> everything connected via the SB system, or could alternatively plug the
> iPod into any one of the systems.

+1, and why not just have your IPOD music, on your computer that runs
SbS and then you can sync everything just fine


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Complete numptie seeks help with Touch and two Booms

2011-03-25 Thread aubuti

You can't sync another Squeezebox of any type with another Squeezebox
that is playing from an iPod. When you connect the iPod to your Boom
then you are basically using the Boom as a simple iPod dock, taking
advantage of the Boom's amplifier and speakers. It doesn't pipe the
iPod music to the music server in any way whatsoever. 

And you are correct that there is no input for this on a Touch --
either the person you spoke to at Logitech didn't know what he/she was
talking about, or you misunderstood.

This is something that Sonos can do, though I've personally never felt
the need to play an iPod on multiple systems when I already have
everything connected via the SB system, or could alternatively plug the
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[SlimDevices: Touch] Complete numptie seeks help with Touch and two Booms

2011-03-25 Thread janesdsg

Help, please!  I've been reading through lots of the posts and it's very
clear to me that you all have a much better knowledge of this sort of
stuff than me so apologies if my question is very beginnerish.  I've
got two Squeezebox Booms and would like to play the music on my iPod
through these.  However, when I connect the iPod via the 'line in'
socket the Booms won't sync, only the one that the iPod's plugged into
plays.  (They sync fine for internet radio, MP3 Tunes Locker and music
on the PC.) 

Logitech have suggested I buy a Touch and run the iPod through that but
I can't see a 'line in' socket on the Touch.  Just wondered if any of
you out there can tell me if Logitech's suggestion will work - I don't
want to buy the Touch if it's not going to do what I need.

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[SlimDevices: Touch] External DAC Eastern Electric Minimax

2011-03-25 Thread sta363

Just curious if any other forum members have used external digital audio
converters (DACs) with the Touch, and how you liked the sound in the
place of the Touch internal DAC?
I have gotten good results using the Eastern Electric (EE) Minimax DAC.
Anybody else tried this DAC or other external DACs and with what kind
of success?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Squeezebox Touch not staying connected

2011-03-25 Thread richtidd

richtidd;620672 Wrote: 
> I have a new Squeezebox Touch.
> I have it operating on my network via WiFi.
> I have a mysqueezebox.com account & I can remote into the Touch.
> I can access internet radio stations, Pandora etc.
> 
> However, I cannot keep it connected to anything for more than than
> about 10 min without it disconnecting & showing the home clock screen.
> 
> Sleep timers are off as far as I can tell.
> 
> I have other internet radios on the same WiFi network & can stream for
> many hours.
> 
> Does the same at work.
> 
> Does the same on my wired wired.
> 
> Is there something I am missing to keep the Touch connected?
> 
> Richard


I found the problem.

I redownloaded the new firmware & it is working fine now.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch + external HD - Getting worse

2011-03-25 Thread Jokke


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toby10;620728 Wrote: 
> Here is another possible Touch alternative.

Yes, and it actually might do what it promises to do!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch + external HD - Getting worse

2011-03-25 Thread toby10


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Here is another possible Touch alternative.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Squeezebox Touch not staying connected

2011-03-25 Thread garym

richtidd;620672 Wrote: 
> I have a new Squeezebox Touch.
> I have it operating on my network via WiFi.
> I have a mysqueezebox.com account & I can remote into the Touch.
> I can access internet radio stations, Pandora etc.
> 
> However, I cannot keep it connected to anything for more than than
> about 10 min without it disconnecting & showing the home clock screen.
> 
> Sleep timers are off as far as I can tell.
> 
> I have other internet radios on the same WiFi network & can stream for
> many hours.
> 
> Does the same at work.
> 
> Does the same on my wired wired.
> 
> Is there something I am missing to keep the Touch connected?
> 
> Richard

When you say it disconnects, it is playing music then stops?

When you connect ethernet, do you change the network settings to use
ethernet (just plugging in cable doesn't do the change).

When connected to wifi, what strength does it report (Settings >
Advanced > SB Information I think gets you to this screen).


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] menus stop working after starting music after reboot|

2011-03-25 Thread garym

ingesol;620707 Wrote: 
> Problem fixed.
> 
> I bypassed the zyxel by connecting directly to broadband router. I'm
> now enjoying my excellent squeezebox touch :)
> 
> Thank you so much for your very helpful comments!

Excellent. Enjoy!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch + external HD - Getting worse

2011-03-25 Thread nicolas75


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HectorHughMunro;620562 Wrote: 
> 
> Incidentally, has anyone tried any of the larger solid state thumb
> drives of 128 GB and above?  Are they significantly better than the
> mechanical drives?

Not yet.
But usb stick are fine for me with the Touch (with 7.6 ...).
I guess SSD drives will be the way to go when their price diminish.
I recently changed my laptop and now have internal SSD drive, the
performance gap is huge.

There are two problems for external drives with Touch.

The first is the power, SSD should be an improvement.

The second is that the hardware of the Touch is probably not powerful
enough to handle a large library, no matter it is a HDD or a SSD
100 or 200 GB of flac with artwork is probably too much, while someone
having only mp3 with no artwork will have better result.

I once suggested that the way to go should be the following
- allow the library scan and embedded database creation to be done on a
PC, ready to be used as it is when the external drive is connected to
the Touch
- Allow the customer to completely turn off automatic scan by TinySBS,
and do it only on demand.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch + external HD - Getting worse

2011-03-25 Thread nicolas75


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Jokke;620559 Wrote: 
> I'm looking for a replacement :
> Would this be a possible replacement for the touch, that actually
> works?
> 
> http://www.teufelaudio.com/audio-streaming/1raumfeld-c.html

No idea.
Fortunately 7.6 seems fine and going in the right direction, and I keep
the Touch which is a great device.
That is really the 7.5.3 and 7.5.4 RC that I consider as complete
failure, prone to drive a lot of customers away from squeezeboxes.
7.5.2 was fine for me.
It seems that a lot of people made the same conclusions.
That's why I wrote in another thread that in my opinion, 7.5.3 should
have never been released.
A lot of developers (I am in the business of software development) are
totally unable to figure out that a normal customer is not a geek, and
that geek expectations are everything but normal customers expectations


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] menus stop working after starting music after reboot|

2011-03-25 Thread ingesol

Problem fixed.

I bypassed the zyxel by connecting directly to broadband router. I'm
now enjoying my excellent squeezebox touch :)

Thank you so much for your very helpful comments!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch + external HD - Getting worse

2011-03-25 Thread Jokke


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And this one?  It allows installation of an internal HDD :

http://www.teac.eu/hifi-audio/wap-audio-streaming/system/wap-v6000/


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