Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touchy about the future?

2011-11-26 Thread castalla

Out of stock - Spain

Not listed - USA

???


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touchy about the future?

2011-11-26 Thread erland

STEVESPUR;672906 Wrote: 
> Very interestingly since I started off this discussion 6 days ago, the
> Dixons Group stores have cleared out all their stock and Logitech (in
> the UK at least) have also run out of stock, whilst on-line stores
> (inc. Amazon) seem to have stock supply situations that come and go on
> a daily basis.
> 
> Does this suggest that the Touch manufacturing has ceased? - all the
> above stock scenarios are just the same as when the Duet + Boom were
> about to be discontinued.
> 
Looks a bit suspicions, there have been similar things happening
previously but then it has often only happened in one or two countries
but now it seems to be more wide spread. This all makes me think that I
really made the right decision when I purchased an extra Touch earlier
this week from my local store.

I guess there is a chance Logitech is about to release something new
that replaces it but there is also a chance they have decided to focus
on the cheaper Radio since that's likely a lot easier to sell to the
mass market compared to the Touch.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touchy about the future?

2011-11-26 Thread STEVESPUR

Very interestingly since I started off this discussion 6 days ago, the
Dixons Group stores have cleared out all their stock and Logitech (in
the UK at least) have also run out of stock, whilst on-line stores
(inc. Amazon) seem to have stock supply situations that come and go on
a daily basis.

Does this suggest that the Touch manufacturing has ceased? - all the
above stock scenarios are just the same as when the Duet + Boom were
about to be discontinued.

SteveSpur


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[SlimDevices: Touch] what went wrong?

2011-11-26 Thread Smudgeboss

I disconnected my hard drive frm my touch to add some new albums and add
artwork.  Now when I reconnected it did a scan and all but it will not
play sound.  the little thingy moves to tell me the song is playing,
the seconds count down, but there is no sound coming out.  The
diskdrive light tells me it is reading but there is no sound.  Internet
radio plays sound quite alright, but my albums give no sound.  

Any ideas?

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch requires DNS?

2011-11-26 Thread Mnyb

Ok then we can add to the squeezebox lore that squeezeplay based boxes
Touch and Radio works better with dns proxied by the router if the
router supports it.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Owner

2011-11-26 Thread Daxterous

Well I converted the ones that didn't show to Flacs, as well as checking
the ones that didn't show that were flacs and I have no idea why they do
not show.

Meta data didn't seem to make any difference and the file permissions
for those that work are the same as the ones that don't.

The only thing wierd about the ones that don't show is they are rare.

There are some Tas Absolute Sound ones and none of them show up.
Also there are a few "Audiophile Voices" and one of them works but not
the rest.

Others are albums that are working but not some of the other versions
of the same albums.

But all in all this thing sounds great. I really don't think I need the
cd player anymore and will probably sell it.

So its a couple of Musical Fidelity Power Amps going into a M.F.
Preamp, connected to Ruark Speakers and a squeezebox with a M.F. Vdac 2
and not a cd in sight LOL

I wish I could get the rouge files to be scanned cuase it's not the
same off the computer direct.But this squeezebox sounds great and I am
happy anyways.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch requires DNS?

2011-11-26 Thread mbg

Mnyb;672834 Wrote: 
> Can it be some isp related weirdness like that your lan is not really
> local ?
> 
> Maybe a difference between using the router as dns ( where it get dns
> from your isp ) vs using the isp servers directly in the clients.

I don't think the first one is an issue, but the second one could be.

It was an Internet outage that took my cable modem offline, so my
router had lost connectivity with the service and wasn't able to obtain
DNS server IPs.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch requires DNS?

2011-11-26 Thread mbg

JJZolx;672831 Wrote: 
> What DNS servers are given out by your DHCP server? Are they all
> external servers that aren't on your network?
> 
> Maybe that does happen if the DNS servers are external. Most routers
> will proxy DNS, so maybe if you set up the router to be one of the DNS
> server given out by DHCP, then it would work. I'd have to test it. The
> way my network is set up is that I run a local caching DNS server and
> the 2nd and 3rd DNS servers are external.

Yeah, mine does fetch the external DNS addresses rather than relaying.

The router wasn't working properly with relaying turned on and the
manufacturer kinda abandoned it firmware-wise.


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Re: For those in the UK, Touch for �134.99

2011-11-26 Thread Hajaz

slate;672875 Wrote: 
> a better offer than this
> http://www.logitech.com/en-gb/speakers-audio/wireless-music-systems/devices/7348

hmmm, the same deal is up on the belgian store...
i wonder what to read in that. or has the blemished box thing always
been around?


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Re: For those in the UK, Touch for �134.99

2011-11-26 Thread slate

a better offer than this
http://www.logitech.com/en-gb/speakers-audio/wireless-music-systems/devices/7348


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Owner

2011-11-26 Thread Mnyb

dasmueller;672867 Wrote: 
> 
> 
> Is there an issue w Wav files ripped w wmp ?

Not really but WAV has limited tag support very few apps use it and WMP
is not one of them .
A WMP user may *think* that files has metadata because they look ok in
WMP but what is unknown to many is that WMP keeps it's own database on
the WAV files , so when used out the WMP context there is only the file
names .

This makes some people very puzzled .

And the icing is that older version had "copy protection" on as default
so you drm'd your own rips ,but that was a while ago :) Even Microsoft
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Re: For those in the UK, Touch for �134.99

2011-11-26 Thread stevecross

will look in pc world tomorrow, must admit i am tempted even at £150 but
would like it to work with sd card using in built server. Looking at the
comments it seems problematic.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] LMS transcoding 192/24 material

2011-11-26 Thread Mnyb

No squeezebox can do more than 24/96 the squeezebox receiver and SB3
does 24/48
The transporter does 24/96 .

But I would not worry to much the amount of material avaible in 24/192
is a very limited selection and if it's from HD tracks also of
questionable pedigree and if is a remaster of a some 40 year old rock
favorite a complete overkill .

And further even with the best recording in the world it is not
possible for a human being to hear a difference between 24/96 and
24/192 .

It is the actual recording that is the bottleneck not the transport
format, most recordings ever made are not better than the CD format ,(
given a good mastering with proper dither ) most are far worse.

You will not need a 10 liter bucket to carry around 1 liter of water.

Of my >1600 tracks in 24 bit 48k 96k or 192kHz (one album) maybe 30% of
the recordings can be said to be worth it if I would be nice to the
engineer that did them .

My own equipment downsample 192k>96k Meridian Gear work internally in
24/96 for it's processors and digital speakers. Their designer is of
the opinion that it is not necessary, that the numbers game ends in
24/96 .

24bit is in itself a great achievement fs above 48khz is a good bonus
but not an absolute must the increased bit dept is most of the
improvements in hirez. Some people are of the opinion that 24/48 is
good enough for very good reason that are hard to dispute (controlled
listening test where no one can hear any difference, key word is
controlled).

I rather unscientifically thinks 24/96 is good enough for all purposes,
this would also have a healthy slush marging for technical errors in the
digital domain. I can not even prove that.

Also no practical audio circuitry for example DAC's are better than
20-21 bits on a good day thats the best stuff, even if the DAC say 24
or 32 bit on the sticker .

So personally I stopped worrying about it long ago , the reality of it
crept in during the years i tried to use the now dead DVDA format .

It was "better" than the likewise dead sacd formats for a number of
reason , a major one it's obscurity sacd must have sold at least 10
times better but the amount of "real" hirez recordings and really good
recordings have newer been great.
So the sacd catalog contains more fakes than the dvda catalog.
(Which HDtracks learned the hard way when they happily digitized sacd
and let the customer discover that they where bogus) .

On the surface the absence of native 24/192 may look as problem but
it's not, you can always find a bigger problem in the recording or your
own equipment or room. that must be fixed before 96 vs 192 becomes a
factor.

Given the choice if I buy 24/96 instead of 24/192 you pay less and
there is no audible difference .

The Denon is probably great for it's purpose but it is a home theater
receiver, they have reputation of building very transparent machines
but anyway, the type of equipment has limits.

Thats my 2c after some years in search of the hirez grail


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Owner

2011-11-26 Thread dasmueller

You might want to convert them to FLAC files and then look at them in
Mp3Tag to see if you can find a difference in the tag structure. 

Is there an issue w Wav files ripped w wmp ?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] LMS transcoding 192/24 material

2011-11-26 Thread toby10

th00ht;672860 Wrote: 
> ..
> Is the receiver capable of receiving 192? 
> .

If you mean the SB Receiver (Duet), no, it is limited to 44 & 48.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] LMS transcoding 192/24 material

2011-11-26 Thread th00ht

Thanks Mnyb (that's the second time :-) )

Is the receiver capable of receiving 192? 

Tonight I did some A/B testing with my Touch Analog/Denon AVR 1912 and
Touch Coax/Denon AVR 1912. It seems that the analog (100%) sometimes
saturates the analog input of the receiver (distortion!) so I was
looking for more advanced material.

The touch/LMS should not have to do a transcode as the Denon is capable
of using 192 material. But the LMS might not know that =) .

Anyway thanks for that (looking up current prices of a transporter now)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Owner

2011-11-26 Thread Daxterous

Sorry (bangs head against wall)...they were waves.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Owner

2011-11-26 Thread Mnyb

Daxterous;672855 Wrote: 
> I look in Music Folder.
> 
> I have downloaded and looked at mp3tag and this may help explain whats
> wrong.
> 
> mp3tag lets me open directories but not the ones that are not
> working!!
> However the files work and play in Windows 7 64  using Monkey Media no
> problem.
> 
> Has anyone any idea why that would be? And therefore why I cant get
> these files on squeezebox?
> 
> Thanks

And you are sure these are flac not wav ? mp3tag can not see wav files
.

use the windows explorer and have a look at one these files properties


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] LMS transcoding 192/24 material

2011-11-26 Thread Mnyb

Touch can handle bitrates up to 24/96 the server transcodes 24/192 to
24/96 and 24/176.4 to 24/88.2 so the transcoding is taking place in the
server . Touch itself does not have the cpu power .

Also dismiss the bogus bitrate reported by the player UI 24/192 > is
transcoded to 24/96 .

The server uses the very respectable SoX tool to do this , so no audio
artifacts ( that a human being can hear ) will occur from this
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Owner

2011-11-26 Thread Daxterous

I look in Music Folder.

I have downloaded and looked at mp3tag and this may help explain whats
wrong.

mp3tag lets me open directories but not the ones that are not
working!!
However the files work and play in Windows 7 64 no problem.

Has anyone any idea why that would be? And therefore why I cant get
these files on squeezebox?

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[SlimDevices: Touch] LMS transcoding 192/24 material

2011-11-26 Thread th00ht

Hi!

I thought the touch can handle 192/24 material but I see that it does a
transcode to 96k. Is this supposed to happen?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Owner

2011-11-26 Thread Mnyb

Ignores folders ?

What OS are you on ? it can be a permission issue.

If you try the " music folder " menu isntead of the normal artist or
album menu, can it find these folders ?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Owner

2011-11-26 Thread Daxterous

The files are all flac, (what else is there), and I have around 20,000
tracks all in Folders.
Each Folder maybe has an artist then inside is all their albums.
Most have been ripped with eac, (though not by me), and most of them
show up in squeezebox no problem.

You may think me sad but I have watched the scan taking place and
noticed that when it reaches the folders that I know it hasn't scanned
it just ignores them completely.( watched for over an hour LOL)

I reckon it's meta data, (which I have never tampered with ever).
I will look on google for stuff about doing meta data in Flacs, but
appreciate all that has been said to try and help me, and would be
grateful for any simple empirical advice from here also.

What is best, and simplest way to do metadata??

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touchy about the future?

2011-11-26 Thread Mnyb

MeSue;672839 Wrote: 
> I would like a Touch with 'Microban' (http://www.microban.com/)®
> coating. Everything else seems to have it these days. :p

You think it keeps the bugs out of it :p


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touchy about the future?

2011-11-26 Thread MeSue

I would like a Touch with 'Microban' (http://www.microban.com/)®
coating. Everything else seems to have it these days. :p


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch requires DNS?

2011-11-26 Thread Mnyb

Can it be some isp related weirdness like that your lan is not really
local ?

Maybe a difference between using the router as dns ( where it get dns
from your isp ) vs using the isp servers directly in the clients.

Does it matter if one have a lot mysb.com dependent apps directly in
the main menu ?

Was there a flickr screensaver you could use can imagine that thatbone
could get grumpy ?

Never sen this myself ? Also on occasion tried what Toby sugested and
rebooted the router while playing music with no I'll effect.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch requires DNS?

2011-11-26 Thread JJZolx

Also, you might see whether or not there's a way to dismiss the error
message without getting stuck in a loop. Try a left-to-right swipe of
the screen (or press and hold the left-arrow button on the remote) in
the error screen.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch requires DNS?

2011-11-26 Thread JJZolx

mbg;672822 Wrote: 
> That was my problem, though... the whole UI was blocked with this
> message about how no DNS server was available and I couldn't get to any
> menus to browse my local music.

What DNS servers are given out by your DHCP server? Are they all
external servers that aren't on your network?

Maybe that does happen if the DNS servers are external. Most routers
will proxy DNS, so maybe if you set up the router to be one of the DNS
server given out by DHCP, then it would work. I'd have to test it. The
way my network is set up is that I run a local caching DNS server and
the 2nd and 3rd DNS servers are external.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touchy about the future?

2011-11-26 Thread Mnyb

ordered yet another one from dustin.se at a good price 2200 sek compared
to the 3490 sek logitech fleeced me for thr first one.

There is a supply of Touch out there, but Logitech Sweden are out of
them .

Oh the two i have is of the lowly  ..89 variant, I'll keep slumming
with thoose.
The third one is very likely an 89 too.

How I'm ever to get the ink black background and 3d soundstage with
palpable midrange quality with my 40 year old fake hirez files from
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch requires DNS?

2011-11-26 Thread toby10

Seems very strange to me.  I can completely disconnect the incoming
ethernet cable to my router and everything works fine (not online
content obviously).
I can connect to both LMS on my PC as well as the Touch's own server,
browse & play music, Touch doesn't even throw up a single error or
warning.

modem > *x* router > wifi > touch
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touchy about the future?

2011-11-26 Thread bonze

mbg;672824 Wrote: 
> It actually a worse deal because they don't have to use as much ink to
> print a 1 vs 0maybe I should wait for 98 then?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touchy about the future?

2011-11-26 Thread mbg

bonze;672739 Wrote: 
> Well I'm holding out for 930-91 that some are selling ;)

It actually a worse deal because they don't have to use as much ink to
print a 1 vs 0


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch requires DNS?

2011-11-26 Thread mbg

JJZolx;672815 Wrote: 
> I don't think that it's DNS as much as the Touch's reliance on
> mysqueezebox.com for items on its menus and for 'Apps' and internet
> radio. It _should_ work with local music, although it may appear a
> little crippled. Try rebooting the Touch using the reset button on the
> back. If it's connected to the local server you should be able to get
> into 'My Musc' and be good from there.

That was my problem, though... the whole UI was blocked with this
message about how no DNS server was available and I couldn't get to any
menus to browse my local music.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Owner

2011-11-26 Thread Mnyb

good luck with the tagging ( aka metadata ) :)

It worth the effort to get rigth, if you are in the process of ripping
cd's dbpower amp or eac is great tools.
If you like it lossles the FLAC formats is whats works with least
effort on squeezeboxes.

mp3tag tag&rename is also good tools .

Regarding missing files are those wav files ripped with wmp ?

Btw organise it neatly in /artist/album/track for example , one folder
per artist and in that one folder for each album put a cover.jpg or
folder.jpg with the album art there ( or embedd it ) don't keep m3u or
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Play Music By Cover

2011-11-26 Thread forestmountain

forestmountain;671259 Wrote: 
> Squeezebox Touch: I miss the ability to select music by flipping the
> covers (finger going left or right) and tap the album I need to hear.
> Can it be done on the Touch?

I'm talking about hacking the Squeezebox Touch, not buying additional
electronic devices. The SqueezePlay software is open source, so maybe
somebody has modified this. 

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Owner

2011-11-26 Thread dasmueller

Are the files not showing all the same format and none of the same
format type shows?
Have you checked your tags for differences between what shows and what
does not ?

http://www.logitech.com/assets/30072/documentation.pdf

http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Main_Page

The above links may help. If you cannot figure out your problem please
provide detailed info so people may help. Its hard to give suggestions
without the details.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] New Owner

2011-11-26 Thread rgro

Daxterous;672810 Wrote: 
> Hi everyone,
> I have read lots of bits of this forum over the last week and a half
> and now am the proud owner of squeezebox touch and Musical fidelity dac
> :-)
> 
> The thing I am stuck with is that nearly all my music files were
> scanned correctly however some just dont show!
> 
> Is there something I need to do to these files???
> Perhaps metadata?
> What does squeezebox search for to compile a library??
> 
> Apart from it failing to scan some files I love it.
> Can anyone help me retrieve the missing files?
> Thanks

Welcome to the forum!  It's more likely than not that your issue is
related to your tags (aka metadata).  It would be helpful for us to
know where it is that your music's not "showing".  Is it not showing in
"albums, not showing in "artists", not showing in "music folder"?  Does
it show in some places and not others"?  Do you have a good tagging
program such as mp3tag, foobar, etc., that you can use to correct this
type of issue?

You also might want to have a look over in the
ripping/encoding/transoding/tagging forum to familiarize yourself with
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch requires DNS?

2011-11-26 Thread JJZolx

I don't think that it's DNS as much as the Touch's reliance on
mysqueezebox.com for items on its menus and for 'Apps' and internet
radio. It _should_ work with local music, although it may appear a
little crippled. Try rebooting the Touch using the reset button on the
back. If it's connected to the local server you should be able to get
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[SlimDevices: Touch] SB Touch requires DNS?

2011-11-26 Thread mbg

So, yesterday my Internet connection went out... and I found out that my
SB Touch would barely function, even though I have a local Squeezebox
Server installation.

It'd make sense to me that anything Internet wouldn't work, but why
would it block the UI with an error about no DNS server when all I want
to do is play music locally from my SBS?

It was basically out of commission for playing local music until my
Internet came back.


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[SlimDevices: Touch] New Owner

2011-11-26 Thread Daxterous

Hi everyone,
I have read lots of bits of this forum over the last week and a half
and now am the proud owner of squeezebox touch and Musical fidelity dac
:-)

The thing I am stuck with is that nearly all my music files were
scanned correctly however some just dont show!

Is there something I need to do to these files???
Perhaps metadata?
What does squeezebox search for to compile a library??

Apart from it failing to scan some files I love it.
Can anyone help me retrieve the missing files?
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Re: For those in the UK, Touch for �134.99

2011-11-26 Thread Andy8421

It was available at 5am (UK time) this morning, I bought one. 

I guess that either the price was a mistake, or they had limited stock.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Play Music By Cover

2011-11-26 Thread tmauceri

If you have an iPad running an app such as iPeng you would be able to
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touchy about the future?

2011-11-26 Thread toby10

bonze;672739 Wrote: 
> Well I'm holding out for 930-91 that some are selling ;)

Well now, the 91 is a whole different story!  The rubber pad on the 91
Touch's base has been cryogenically treated for superior audio quality.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touchy about the future?

2011-11-26 Thread bonze

Well I'm holding out for 930-91 that some are selling ;)


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Re: For those in the UK, Touch for �134.99

2011-11-26 Thread bonze

product not available..


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touchy about the future?

2011-11-26 Thread toby10

Even then I don't think they have it quite right.  I'll bet 90 is simply
North America, not just Canada, as many US based retailers carry that
model.  Or maybe even just point of entry listing.  
UK showing that model is likely a typo or someone misread the P/N
listing or they may well share stock if/when needed, who knows.

Important thing is there is no hardware differences and you are getting
one sooner than later!   Enjoy.   :)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touchy about the future?

2011-11-26 Thread gbcambridge

For those of you still enthralled by the discussion of the differences
between these models, the word from Logitech is as follows:


As we understand that you would like to know what is the differences 
between the Logitech Squeezebox Touch's part numbers. We will be more
than happy to help you with this concern. 

Part number 930-89 Squeezebox Touch EMEA

Part number 930-90 Squeezebox Touch CANADA

Still does not explain why Amazon UK are offering the 930-90 (at
some date in the future), but given PC world current price of approx.
£150 I think now is the time to buy one (any one!).


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Streaming 24/96 Flac

2011-11-26 Thread Mnyb

murrayb;672702 Wrote: 
> How do you get the server to downsample the higher rate files? I
> downloaded a 192/24 flac file by mistake. Is there some way I can get
> it to play through the Touch?

It does automatically if you haven't fiddled to much withbthe file
types settings and have a server that supports it, it has to run the
flac and SoX binarie, so it's a bit cpu intense small nas boxes won't
cut it.

before anyone get's to carried away by comparing lossles with lossles (
yes the output is bit for bit identical, otherwise it won't be lossles
).
Have in mind that both flac and alac have replaygain / soundcheck tags
and the Squeezebox has a gain function you should disable when
comparing.
This gain funtion is to make tracks sound qually loud in playlist and
as noone likes digital clipping volume adjustment is downwards to a
reference level.
Practical result if you have gain tags and this function is enabled wav
files sound louder than flac in most cases with modern music at least
they have different volume.

So off with the gain function .

make a playlist of the same track in flac and wav repeated several
times press shuffle.
Try not to sneak peek on the song names on the player ( cover it ) wav
files often lack tags and you see in the playlist.

Ever tried to critically listen to exact same track 2 times after each
other does it sound identical to you , probably not thats how we work.


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Re: For those in the UK, Touch for �134.99

2011-11-26 Thread Hajaz

thanks, im not in the UK but i know some people there so ill give them a
call to see if i can get it delivered to their place


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