Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Announce: Enhanced Digital Output app - USB Dac and 192k Digital Ouput
Hi, I tested EDO over the weekend . After I was done I uninstalled EDO and reinstalled the Touch's firmware to get rid of the 'EDO is not supported by Logitech' start up message. My Audiolab MDAC was now showing all my music was now anywhere from 17 to 24bit!!! After reinstalling LMS on my NAS the files were back to 16bit as they should be. It took a while to track down what I needed to do to fix it. I also posted at PinkFish and there a poster, BigMarcelo, said : also, if you have volume adjustment on the SBT client, the files will show as 24 bit if you have 'flat' volume, the files will display their correct bit depth. My Touch was supposed to be already set to 100% fixed volume!! What happened there then? Some info, clues would be appreciated before I test EDO again. m4rk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=51952 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94512 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch at Amazon.co.uk today 18/6
Touch is back on today's (30/7) lightning deals at 1600. Mushroom_3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13434 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95533 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Screensaver problem
davlee wrote: Firmware is up to date. I have my settings organised so the digital clock shows when my SBT is off. This was working fine until today. Now the clock won't show - just a black screen. I have checked my settings:- settings screen screensavers when off - digital clock Everything else is working well. Can anyone help here please. Dave Try a factory reset (hold down small button above power connection until factory reset shows up on the display. Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95926 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Screensaver problem
guidof wrote: Try a factory reset (hold down small button above power connection until factory reset shows up on the display. Guido F. Try reboot first. If does not fix it. Try the factory reset as suggested by Guido. ply3908's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38634 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95926 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] coax vs toslink
lovejoy wrote: I tend to avoid the vast majority of stuff that carries the word 'remastered' as it seems to be an excuse just to make everything LOUD and completely sap the life and dynamics out of a recording - the only exception to this I can think of has been the Nick Drake albums which were lovingly restored from the master tapes with little tweaking. Last years re-issue of Nirvana's Nevermind was a good case in point. The original never had a problem so why remaster it anyway - Loudness wars, that's why! It's crazy, and these remasters are so completely fatiguing to listen to as there is never any let up in the volume pinning you against the wall. The last Foo Fighters album was another bad example on CD. It's actually a good reason for buying vinyl these days as the mastering tends to be more sympathetic. The Foos album on vinyl is a different beast altogether and can be enjoyed all the way through without feeling like someone is hitting you over the head with a hammer. It has been pretty well documented but I keep mentioning the Red Hot Chilli Peppers output. Take the CD and vinyl of Stadium Arcadium. Absolutely sublime on vinyl having received a sympathetic mastering from Steve Hoffman, but the CD is right up against the ceiling all the way through having been mastered by Vlado Meller, and if I see this guys name on anything I now refuse to buy it. He did even worse with the latest Chilli Peppers CD and it's not only up against the ceiling but there's digital clipping in there too. It's horrible, and it completely destroys the work that a band have done in creating an album. There was a white paper done a little while back that concluded 'LOUDNESS does NOT equal more sales', and for me that's most definitely true, so you wonder why the message hasn't sunk in with so many people yet. Thankfully it's not everyone. There's the odd album appearing here and there which bears the words 'This recording may be a bit quieter than some of your other new CDs, to enjoy it at it's best, just turn the volume up and enjoy the full dynamic range this recording has to offer'. Amen to that. You wonder why the same morons who continue to try to sell 40 year old recordings on CD for twice the price of a 2 year old movie on DVD and yet refuse to make these recordings available as low priced lossless downloads (for fear that this will lead to pirated copies becoming available even though pirated copies of lossless digital rips of these CDs are already available) would understand that the Loudness War is actually hurting business I believe that the best word most present day record company executives would be clueless. trott3r wrote: I didn't realise different formats had different people mastering them. I thought the record companies would do things on the cheap and shoe horn the same master onto vinyl but reduce the dynamic range so the stylus doesn't jump out of the groove. You are confusing dynamic range with overall loudness. The problem with most modern remasters of popular music recordings (I say popular music since jazz and classical music have so far mostly been spared from adverse affects of the Loudness War) is that there is way too little dynamic range and too much overall loudness. Dynamic range is the difference between the loudest and quietest passages on a recording. A recording with little dynamic range means that all music is at almost the same loudness and becomes the musical equivalent of TYPING EVERYTHING IN CAPITALS! The use of dynamic range compression (which is what the Loudness War is all about) has been going on for many, many years in television and radio broadcasting for various different reasons (quiet passages can sound like silence while listening to a car radio or a loud advertisement will stand out from the quieter levels of the program audio) but it only relatively recently that this type of dynamic range compression has been applied to the actual recordings themselves. Back to your statement all the record companies would need to do to use the overly compressed CD master for a vinyl issue is lower the overall volume so that the stylus doesn't jump out of the groove. However the record would then sound as horrible as the CD and the dynamic range would still be almost nonexistent, i.e. there would be little volume difference between the loud and quiet passages. ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95872 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Announce: Enhanced Digital Output app - USB Dac and 192k Digital Ouput
m4rk wrote: I also heard from WAD62 at PFM forum that replaygain and crossfade can result in bit sizes changing from the usual 16bit to anywhere from 17 to 24bit. Again these options were all off before I installed EDO. What happened there then? Some info, clues would be appreciated before I test EDO again. Does EDO enable anything that might cause the streamed bit size to change from the actual file bit size as stored on the hard drive? Is this normal behaviour for EDO and if so why didn't an uninstall revert LMS back to my previous set up? It should not change anything as long as the volume really is at 100% and replay gain is disabled - it reads 16bits to me on my MDAC Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94512 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Announce: Enhanced Digital Output app - USB Dac and 192k Digital Ouput
Triode wrote: It should not change anything as long as the volume really is at 100% and replay gain is disabled - it reads 16bits to me on my MDAC I found that somewhere in the process of installing and uninstalling my audio settings got messed up. The fixed volume setting was dropped and I lost the effects sounds. I did a reset back to factory settings and it was back to normal again ie 16bit files and effects sounds returned. m4rk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=51952 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94512 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Announce: Enhanced Digital Output app - USB Dac and 192k Digital Ouput
I was still dissatisfied with the sound from EDO, very high resolution, but very computer sounding I tried the following changes to the tcp section of the TT file which made some small change echo 20 /sys/module/snd_usb_audio/parameters/nrpacks chmod 666 /sys/module/snd_usb_audio/parameters/index echo -2,0,0,-2,-2,-2,-2,-2 /sys/module/snd_usb_audio/parameters/index chmod 666 /sys/module/ehci_hcd/parameters/log2_irq_thresh echo 6 /sys/module/ehci_hcd/parameters/log2_irq_thresh chmod 666 /sys/module/ehci_hcd/parameters/park echo 3 /sys/module/ehci_hcd/parameters/park echo 9 /sys/bus/usb/drivers/usbhid/module/parameters/mousepoll chmod 666 /sys/module/snd_spdif/parameters/enable echo N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N /sys/module/snd_spdif/parameters/enable but it wasn't until I adjusted the kernel section that I started to get an acceptable sound ie smoother, less digital echo 1 /proc/sys/kernel/sched_min_granularity_ns echo 6 /proc/sys/kernel/sched_latency_ns echo 3 /proc/sys/kernel/sched_wakeup_granularity_ns I'll let Triode tell you why it doesn't make a difference, but for me it works and I have posted it out there so anyone interested can give it a try. Of course, if EDO default is your ideal sound then good for you. adios SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94512 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Problem with skipping songs in Music folder on USB
Hi! I'm trying to help a friend with a Touch. During USB playback it won't skip to the next song in the Music folder. It just starts over on the same song. If we go through Artist or Album to start playing, skipping is no problem. I've tried Software update and Restore factory settings without any luck. Can anyone help? Frode Frode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3819 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95930 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Problem with skipping songs in Music folder on USB
I am not near my SB to test right now, but let me send a question back at you: when you start playing a track using the Music Folder, does only that track appear in the current playlist, or do all the tracks in that folder appear in the current playlist? I suspect it may be the former, which would also explain the behavior you're seeing. That's because the skip skips to the next song in the current playlist. Also, try this: instead of selecting a particular track to play, try pressing play when you are at the album level (assuming that your files are organized in folders something like artist/album/tracks). Then see if (a) all tracks in the folder are put in the current playlist, and (b) whether the skip behavior changes to the way you want it. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95930 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] coax vs toslink
trott3r wrote: They still are holding on to the 80s and early 90s model of them acting as a monopoly. I think at this point it is the iTunes store that is closer to a monopoly than any of the record companies. trott3r wrote: Yes that was my point it will sound just as bad. My point is i would expect the record company to go with what is cheapest which would be to reduce the loudness to make it work on vinyl. anyhow we agree despite more poor choice of words. Martin No problem and I am very glad that you were not offended my somewhat preachy tone. My years of writing as an engineer has led me to be as exact as possible in my choice of words. ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95872 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Problem with skipping songs in Music folder on USB
aubuti wrote: I am not near my SB to test right now, but let me send a question back at you: when you start playing a track using the Music Folder, does only that track appear in the current playlist, or do all the tracks in that folder appear in the current playlist? I suspect it may be the former, which would also explain the behavior you're seeing. That's because the skip skips to the next song in the current playlist. Also, try this: instead of selecting a particular track to play, try pressing play when you are at the album level (assuming that your files are organized in folders something like artist/album/tracks). Then see if (a) all tracks in the folder are put in the current playlist, and (b) whether the skip behavior changes to the way you want it. I guess this was the problem. My friends USB stick isn't organized at all, he just put the songs on to the stick without making any folders. I made a folder called Music and copied everything into that. When I choose Music folder, I get the choice of Music or Playlists. And pressing play when Music is highlighted, makes everything work like my friend wants it to. Thank you very much! Frode Frode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3819 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95930 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] coax vs toslink
Lo, At 23:03 30/07/2012, you wrote: trott3r wrote: They still are holding on to the 80s and early 90s model of them acting as a monopoly. I think at this point it is the iTunes store that is closer to a monopoly than any of the record companies. Yes I suppose so. I tend to forget about Apples ecosystem since i dont like lock-ins ; thus Apple never appealed to me. But i was thinking more along the lines of Hi Resolution music. The record companies believe they are the only source for a band and so they can shovel us poor sound quality and we will swallow it. But with a bit of googling consumers are realising that they can get a 24bit 96khz high res rip from vinyl that hasn't been butchered by the loudness wars. Thus the monopoly falls (at least for older music). Martin Running MorphOS v3.1 (July 2012) on a PowerPC Powerbook, Moderator of MiniDisc,amithlonopen,bwfc Yahoogroups ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Screensaver problem
Lo, At 18:42 30/07/2012, you wrote: guidof wrote: Try a factory reset (hold down small button above power connection until factory reset shows up on the display. Guido F. Try reboot first. If does not fix it. Try the factory reset as suggested by Guido. Where is the reboot located in the myriad of menus? I couldn't find it when i looked yesterday. Martin N Running MorphOS v3.1 (July 2012) on a PowerPC Powerbook, Moderator of MiniDisc,amithlonopen,bwfc Yahoogroups ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Screensaver problem
Reboot is accomplished by physically unplugging the power supply. Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95926 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] coax vs toslink
trott3r wrote: But with a bit of googling consumers are realising that they can get a 24bit 96khz high res rip from vinyl that hasn't been butchered by the loudness wars. Thus the monopoly falls (at least for older music). Martin Luckily I still have most of my old (and some new) vinyl and a very good vinyl front end. Nowhere near as handy as good hi-rez digital versions (whatever their source - vinyl rip or studio master) but vinyl can often sound very good indeed. ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95872 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
