Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] can i run SBT s/ware totally from usb

2012-10-29 Thread roscored1000

Oh Ok I wasnt aware of being able to do that i will give it a try
tomorrow, I assume then I can access my favourite sites?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] can i run SBT s/ware totally from usb

2012-10-29 Thread toby10

roscored1000 wrote: 
 . I assume then I can access my favourite sites?

If you have stored them as Favorites on MySB.com, yes.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connection reset by local host when switching player on Spotify and WiMP

2012-10-29 Thread bpa

Fermate wrote: 
 First of all: Does local host in this context mean the Squeezebox
 Touch or the Logitech Media Server?
I can't be sure - IRC the message text is generated by the OS as a
result of an error code returned by the network drivers. Is it local
host or localhost ?
I'm not sure it matters that much as the problem only manifests itself
for a few users which means it is probably a system setup issue rather
than a plugin code one.
 Q2: After I have selected the track to play (Spotify or WiMP) or the
 radio station, does the data traffic go directly from the Squeezebox to
 the router or thru my server?
Depends on the player and your setup. In Ireland we do not have Spotify
or Wimp so I can only guess.
For Touch players with default settings using http - then radio station
with AAC and MP3 play directly from station to player with a separate
back channel of program info going from player to LMS. OGG streams will
also play direct.
I don't know what happens in Wimp or Logitech Spotify.  With Triode
Spotify I believe there is a propriatery protocol which means Spotify
sends to LMS, LMS decoes and sends audio stream (OGG I think) to player.

 Q3: By security software, do you mean Virus control at the server?
 Firewall at the server? 
 -or packet inspection in the router?
 
Anything (that inlcudes ISPs traffic shaping, routers, firewall, network
optimisiing s/w, virus/trojan checkers, traffic monitors, proxy servers,
etc.) that can examine/stop/delay/change a packet coming from station to
player or LMS

 
 The server run on a dedicated W7 PC with #8220;Microsoft security
 essentials#8221; and firewall ON.
 I will turn off both and test more tomorrow.
 
Some security s/w needs to be uninstalled to check if it is at fault as
otherwise the s/w may still be handling packets.



 Neither of the plugins for Spotify/ WiMP or the Internet-Radio plugins
 have any settings for changing protocols (?)
I only suggested the change for BBC plugin.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connection reset by local host when switching player on Spotify and WiMP

2012-10-29 Thread Fermate

NoRoDa wrote: 
 I'm running a:
 Logitech Media Server Versjon: 7.7.2 - r33893 @ Wed Mar 14 05:49:01 PDT
 2012
 Vertsnavn: NAS
 Serverens IP-adresse: 10.0.0.2
 HTTP-serverens portnummer: 9000
 Operativsystem: Netgear RAIDiator - NO - utf8
 Plattformarkitektur: i686-linux
 Perl-versjon: 5.8.8 - i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi
 Databaseversjon: DBD::SQLite 1.34_01 (sqlite 3.7.7.1)
 
 Same issue here.
 Restarting my SBT works, although I have no idea why
 
 Regards
 Rolf

I see you are based in Norway too:
What IPS are you using?
I am using GET 70/5Mbit
(worst possible IPS but my only choice for speeds over 40Mbit)



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connection reset by local host when switching player on Spotify and WiMP

2012-10-29 Thread Fermate

bpa wrote: 
 I can't be sure - IRC the message text is generated by the OS as a
 result of an error code returned by the network drivers. Is it local
 host or localhost ?
 
I'll check
bpa wrote: 
 
 Some security s/w needs to be uninstalled to check if it is at fault as
 otherwise the s/w may still be handling packets.
 
OK I will
bpa wrote: 
 
 I only suggested the change for BBC plugin.
I see. Is there other parameters I can adjust or other things I should
test?

(Like install the BBC and check/adjust to see Iif I get the same problem
as Mardler)


Thanks!



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connection reset by local host when switching player on Spotify and WiMP

2012-10-29 Thread bpa

Fermate wrote: 
 I see. Is there other parameters I can adjust or other things I should
 test?
 
 (Like install the BBC and check/adjust to see Iif I get the same problem
 as Mardler)
 

I was wrong about the connection reset message - it can also be
generated by LMS.

Personally - when trying to find a problem, I avoid changing the system
wherever possible. In this case stick to a well defined prcoedure which
produces the error and make one change at a time. 

An alternative way of trying to isolate the problem would be to install
LMS/Spotify/Wimp on an old PC/laptop and see if the problem is
reproduced.  If no problem then the issue is probably in your LMS and
not network or router.

Also check your server log to see if there is any message. 

To determined if connection reset is received by LMS or player can you
enable logging for network.protocol.slimproto to INFO and try playing. 
If the connection reset is received by the player and not LMS it will
be in the slimproto log message.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] can i run SBT s/ware totally from usb

2012-10-29 Thread dasmueller

I wonder what the effect would be of using a USB splitter w the Touch
would be. Some people want to use the Touch as standalone. Would a
spliiter w a stick w full LMS on one port and a HDD w their library on
the other give them any additional functionality or possibly eliminate
issues w tiny LMS  ?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] can i run SBT s/ware totally from usb

2012-10-29 Thread Mnyb

dasmueller wrote: 
 I wonder what the effect would be of using a USB splitter w the Touch
 would be. Some people want to use the Touch as standalone. Would a
 spliiter w a stick w full LMS on one port and a HDD w their library on
 the other give them any additional functionality or possibly eliminate
 issues w tiny LMS  ?

Nope full LMS is already on there just some stuff turned of in the
startup script, that's because the Touch does not have the memory to run
the full version if it could it would already do that . Touch has no
swap so it would probably crash as soon as someone used the web-UI for
example .

My LMS on my server already uses more memory than the Touch has in total
.

It's a hardware limit Touch is to weak to be both server and player at
the same time so server is simplified to the limit where the whole
package barerly runs. That means no web-UI etc .

Bad compromise , Logitech should have made a bit simpler Touch without
onboard server and then a more advanced one with storage and more
CPU/ram call it a  base station  or whatever to avoid server in the
name ;)

Any machine cabaple of running the server is simply to expensive to also
be a player , so this compromise would not work



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] I'm a bit confused.

2012-10-29 Thread Waldo Pepper

Thanks to all regarding exhausting explanations.
My SB radios won't connect to the LMS on the TOUCH so I either have to
use it with mysqueezebox.com as a straight forward radio or try and get
it to connect to the USB which neither radio will do. The TOUCH however
streams music from the USB stick without problem. It also can access
mysqueezebox.com favourites too.

So any ideas on why the radios won't connect to the TOUCH LMS when it's
clearly up and running. I am damn sure it has worked before.

I will happily settle for using my local USB LMS on the touch and the
six presets for radio as I know how to do that.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] I'm a bit confused.

2012-10-29 Thread Mnyb

There is only one LMS onboard the Touch and it should get activated when
you plugin an USB drive .
If there is no USB drive it is not active afaik ?

While the USB drive is connected and Touch is clearly using it you
should be able to go to  my music  on the radio and it should connect
if you have multiple severs running you should have an option to pick
one of them .

All players are really on the same network ? Not some adhoc arrangement
where you in reality has two separate network ? It can get that way if
you use two routers or conscript one as an ap and set it up in a certain
way ?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] I'm a bit confused.

2012-10-29 Thread Mnyb

That said it is pushing it expect the tiny server on the Touch to serve
a bunch of players ?
It is buggy and unstable all on it's own, just saying not trying to
crash the party for you :-/ a real server is just better



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] I'm a bit confused.

2012-10-29 Thread ButC

garym wrote: 
 
 
 3. TinyLMS running on TOUCH.  If one plugs a USB HDD or Card to the
 TOUCH, this activates the TinyLMS inside the TOUCH. This is a limited
 version LMS. You can't install plugins (well some can be hacked, but I'm
 speaking in general). You have no webGUI with TinyLMS. I've never used
 tinyLMS in my TOUCH players, so I'm not familiar with how it handles
 things when the HDD is not connected. Maybe it automatically switches to
 mysb.com. Not sure.

Does this mean that a Touch always, even after Logitech shut down
mysb.com, will be able to play from a usb-disk and that for example a
radio can sync with it and also play those files, and more important
will the android app be able to control and play the files
(post-mysb.com)?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] I'm a bit confused.

2012-10-29 Thread Waldo Pepper

Mnyb wrote: 
 That said it is pushing it expect the tiny server on the Touch to serve
 a bunch of players ?
 It is buggy and unstable all on it's own, just saying not trying to
 crash the party for you :-/ a real server is just better

Thanks. I just thought as it's only ever streaming music to one at a
time, it would be up to it. I have had it working, but my memory is not
as good as it used to be. Same with the NAS problem I am
having...another story, another group, another grump:)



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] I'm a bit confused.

2012-10-29 Thread garym

ButC wrote: 
 Does this mean that a Touch always, even after Logitech shut down
 mysb.com, will be able to play from a usb-disk and that for example a
 radio can sync with it and also play those files, and more important
 will the android app be able to control and play the files
 (post-mysb.com)?

Yes to all.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] I'm a bit confused.

2012-10-29 Thread ButC

garym wrote: 
 Yes to all.

That's great. Thanks for making that clear!



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] can i run SBT s/ware totally from usb

2012-10-29 Thread aubuti

Mnyb wrote: 
 Nope full LMS is already on there just some stuff turned of in the
 startup script, that's because the Touch does not have the memory to run
 the full version if it could it would already do that . Touch has no
 swap so it would probably crash as soon as someone used the web-UI for
 example .
Exactly. The main constraint with TinyLMS isn't that there isn't enough
RAM to hold LMS, it's the feeble processing power. Storing LMS on a USB
stick won't make the Touch's CPU run any faster, and the I/O would be
slower.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Announce: Enhanced Digital Output app - USB Dac and 192k Digital Ouput

2012-10-29 Thread alcarp

Just checking again to determine if USB out to this DAC now works.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Announce: Enhanced Digital Output app - USB Dac and 192k Digital Ouput

2012-10-29 Thread Turnandcough

Not that I'm really into 192 files but just out of curiosity... 

Does anyone have an idea why I can't play 24-192 files using Touch 7.8 
EDO  V-Link 192 USB converter  S/PDIF  EE Minimax DAC?  I was able to
play the same files using Touch's S/PDIF output to the DAC.

Am I missing something?

Thank you



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