Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Albums Correctly Tagged With MP3tag Don't Show Artists
Hi there, maybe this is already somewhere in the forum. If so please apologize that I didn�t use the right keywords to find. I have a strange Sorting and maybe you can give me a hint to solve it. I lately tagged albums of The Brothers Johnson (Right On Time; Strawberry Letter 23 (Live); The very best of Strawberry Letter 23) with Mp3tag (v2.53). Similar columns in Mp3tag are: Tag = FLAC (FLAC) Artist = The Brother Johnsons I didn�t use the Albumartist Column. Afterwards I uploaded the 3 albums to my Syno NAS (running on DSM 4.1), started LMS (7.7.2 - r33893) and start the scanning (maybe I�m a bit paranoid here but I always do the rescans of Media Folder and Rescan Media Library). After that I�ll check under Home New Music if they appear and if the cover is correctly added. But in this case the sorting of the artists puzzles me: The very best of Strawberry Letter 23 is sort as Brothers Johnsons, The Strawberry Letter 23 (Live) is sort as Brothers Johnson. Right On Time is sort as The Brothers Johnson. I didn�t include the article The in the section Articles To Ignore When Sorting therefore I don�t know why I have 3 different results here. Dont�t know if this is important but my Touch is running on Firmware 7.7.2-r9663 Any clues here? I would really appreciate if somebody could share his findings. Thanks in advance. Cheers, marlfao marflao's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57334 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97793 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Albums Correctly Tagged With MP3tag Don't Show Artists
I'm almost certain these files have ARTISTSORT or ALBUMARTISTSORT tags. Download mp3tag, open files in mp3tag, select a file, right click, then select 'extended tags'. This will show you tags that you may not realize you have (including above). You can simply delete those tags at this point by selecting the field and hitting the red X in the extended tags popup. You can load up ALL your files and do a batch delete of this field if you choose. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97793 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Albums Correctly Tagged With MP3tag Don't Show Artists
Hi garym, thanks for you quick respond andfor the solution :-) You were absolutely right. Although I didn´t fill out the column album artist something else were shown via the extended tags. Beneath album artist there was also the tag Ensemble which lead to this problem of mine. After deleting those tags only the artist The Brothers Johnson appears in LMS. I´ll keep this in mind to crosscheck the extended tags in the future. So thanks again for your immediate help. Cheers, maflao marflao's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57334 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97793 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Albums Correctly Tagged With MP3tag Don't Show Artists
happy it solved the issue. p.s. Is this the Brothers Johnson, the 1970s funk band? I had one of their albums on vinyl back in the day if that's the same band. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97793 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Albums Correctly Tagged With MP3tag Don't Show Artists
Yes, they are :-) marflao's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57334 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97793 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Albums Correctly Tagged With MP3tag Don't Show Artists
^ That's a very good point. Normal LMS settings will suppress artists in the artist list if they only appear on a compilation. So if you have one Bob Dylan album and it happens to have an incorrect COMPILATION=1 tag, it will keep the artist from being displayed. Use the Extended Tags dialog (Alt-T) to view all tag fields (which may not all be shown either in the Tag Panel or file view within Mp3tag). Also, LMS will automatically treat any album that has more than one artist on different tracks as a compilation. If just one track on that album has either a different artist or a second artist, the album would be treated as a compilation and none of the artists will appear in the list unless they also have a full album in your library. Note that you could even have 'Bob Dylan' misspelled on a single track and it will look to LMS like a second artist on the album. If you do purposely have tracks on the album tagged with another artist, then add an ALBUMARTIST=Bob Dylan field and the album will once again be considered a non-compilation. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97793 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Albums Correctly Tagged With MP3tag Don't Show Artists
jdt7385 wrote: I did try what you suggested. Still no Bob Dylan under Artists. There are two albums with Bob Dylan and the Band as Artist. Those show up...but no Bob Dylan. Thanks for the suggestion. Edited to add: The Dylan albums do show Bob Dylan as the artist but there is no Bob Dylan in the list of artists. Totally wierd. Hi You sound like you have been having the same problem that I was having. In addition to ripping my music collections I also like to rip audiobooks. I like to record the reader (Artist) and the author (Album Artist). I was frustrated to find that I could search on the reader but not on the author until I amended the settings under Advanced Settings/My Music and select the option Treat TPE2 MP3 tag as Album Artist. Select this option and then select Clear library and rescan and you should be able to search on both. This works regardless of whether the file format is flac or mp3. Shozzer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58726 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97793 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Albums Correctly Tagged With MP3tag Don't Show Artists
Shozzer wrote: Hi You sound like you have been having the same problem that I was having. In addition to ripping my music collections I also like to rip audiobooks. I like to record the reader (Artist) and the author (Album Artist). I was frustrated to find that I could search on the reader but not on the author until I amended the settings under Advanced Settings/My Music and select the option Treat TPE2 MP3 tag as Album Artist. Select this option and then select Clear library and rescan and you should be able to search on both. This works regardless of whether the file format is flac or mp3. I doubt that is the issue as I suggested that the OP remove all tags except for ARTIST, ALBUM, TRACK, TITLE. (i.e., no Album Artist or BAND tag). And he had the same problem. (This said, I too have my settings to treat TPE2 as Album Artist). garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97793 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Albums Correctly Tagged With MP3tag Don't Show Artists
jdt7385 wrote: The Dylan albums do show Bob Dylan as the artist but there is no Bob Dylan in the list of artists.Are you sure all unnecessary tags are in fact deleted and not just blank spaces? Open the Bob Dylan files in Mp3tag, select them, and view Extended Tags (ALT+T). Highlight and delete (red X) all unwanted tag fields. Do another full rescan. Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97793 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Albums Correctly Tagged With MP3tag Don't Show Artists
aubuti wrote: If you can't find a pattern then it's hard to help, but maybe we can deepen the diagnosis. What type of files are these (FLAC, MP3, etc)? What type of tags do you have (eg, ID3v1, ID3v2.3, ID3v2.4, Vorbis comments)? are any of these artists not showing up tracks that are only in compilation albums? garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97793 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Albums Correctly Tagged With MP3tag Don't Show Artists
aubuti wrote: If you can't find a pattern then it's hard to help, but maybe we can deepen the diagnosis. What type of files are these (FLAC, MP3, etc)? What type of tags do you have (eg, ID3v1, ID3v2.3, ID3v2.4, Vorbis comments)? These are FLAC files. The tags are MP3TAG v2.52 tags in the Artist, Album Artist, Artistsort and Albumartistsort fields; however, I may not know enough to understand your question. jdt7385's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56306 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97793 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Albums Correctly Tagged With MP3tag Don't Show Artists
garym wrote: are any of these artists not showing up tracks that are only in compilation albums? No, at this time I am only trying to deal with one artist albums. Examples are Bob Dylan and Bruce Springsteen. The artist and album artist fields for those albums have only the one name entered in them. As mentioned, the albums are recognized by LMS and a search for the artists does find the artist, e.g. Bob Dylan and Bruce Springsteen; yet those artists do not appear under Artists in LMS Web Remote Control or on the Squeezebox screen when I select Artists. jdt7385's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56306 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97793 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Albums Correctly Tagged With MP3tag Don't Show Artists
Try using ALBUMARTIST instead of ALBUM ARTIST. BTW, for most popular music you don't even need this tag value; just use ARTIST and leave these other fields blank. The SORT tags are only used if you want to specify a list sort position different from the way the tag is normally displayed, e.g. you want Bob Dylan to appear in Artist sort under Dylan, Bob: ARTIST=Bob Dylan ARTISTSORT=Dylan, Bob Add the TAGS column to your Mp3tag display and be sure it only shows FLAC (FLAC). If any other type of tag is also in the files, it should be removed as this will cause strange behavior. Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97793 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Albums Correctly Tagged With MP3tag Don't Show Artists
Apesbrain wrote: Add the TAGS column to your Mp3tag display and be sure it only shows FLAC (FLAC). If any other type of tag is also in the files, it should be removed as this will cause strange behavior. right click on mp3tag column headings, select custom column, then use this as the value: %_tag_read%[ (%_tag%)] garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97793 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Albums Correctly Tagged With MP3tag Don't Show Artists
Apesbrain wrote: Try using ALBUMARTIST instead of ALBUM ARTIST. BTW, for most popular music you don't even need this tag value; just use ARTIST and leave these other fields blank. The SORT tags are only used if you want to specify a list sort position different from the way the tag is normally displayed, e.g. you want Bob Dylan to appear in Artist sort under Dylan, Bob: ARTIST=Bob Dylan ARTISTSORT=Dylan, Bob Add the TAGS column to your Mp3tag display and be sure it only shows FLAC (FLAC). If any other type of tag is also in the files, it should be removed as this will cause strange behavior. Thanks for the information. I guess I have been doing some unnecessary work by adding the ALBUMARTISTSORT AND ARTISTSORT entries. With regard to the ALBUM ARTIST entry I just fill in the field in MP3TAG, which is ALBUM ARTIST. Should I instead add a field of ALBUM ARTIST in the extended field section? I did add the TAGS column to the MP3TAG display and so far all entries do only show FLAC (FLAC). jdt7385's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56306 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97793 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Albums Correctly Tagged With MP3tag Don't Show Artists
jdt7385 wrote: Thanks for the information. I guess I have been doing some unnecessary work by adding the ALBUMARTISTSORT AND ARTISTSORT entries. With regard to the ALBUM ARTIST entry I just fill in the field in MP3TAG, which is ALBUM ARTIST. Should I instead add a field of ALBUM ARTIST in the extended field section? I did add the TAGS column to the MP3TAG display and so far all entries do only show FLAC (FLAC). to diagnose this problem, I'd take a problem album (one not showing) and remove all the artist sort or album artist tags (just leave ARTIST). Then do a clear and rescan (new and changed likely won't pick up these changes). If it shows up then, I'd start adding back the other tags (one at a time) until it quits showing. Then you'll know what's causing the problem. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97793 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Albums Correctly Tagged With MP3tag Don't Show Artists
jdt7385 wrote: Should I instead add a field of ALBUM ARTIST in the extended field section? The new field you want is ALBUMARTIST. You can set up an Action to copy ALBUM ARTIST to ALBUMARTIST, but probably not worth the bother since you are just getting started. Be sure to delete the ALBUM ARTIST tag when done. Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97793 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Albums Correctly Tagged With MP3tag Don't Show Artists
garym wrote: right click on mp3tag column headings, select custom column, then use this as the value: %_tag_read%[ (%_tag%)] I did add the custom column as you suggested. It reflects FLAC (FLAC). The Tag column also is FLAC (FLAC) in the testing I have done so far, which does include a Bob Dylan album. However, still no Bob Dylan in the Artists selection. jdt7385's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56306 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97793 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Albums Correctly Tagged With MP3tag Don't Show Artists
jdt7385 wrote: I will make it a full Clear Library type scan and also clear the cache (again). If you do a Clear library scan, it automatically clears the cache. Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97793 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Albums Correctly Tagged With MP3tag Don't Show Artists
Apesbrain wrote: If you do a Clear library scan, it automatically clears the cache. I did not know that. Thanks for the info. jdt7385's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56306 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97793 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Albums Correctly Tagged With MP3tag Don't Show Artists
garym wrote: to diagnose this problem, I'd take a problem album (one not showing) and remove all the artist sort or album artist tags (just leave ARTIST). Then do a clear and rescan (new and changed likely won't pick up these changes). If it shows up then, I'd start adding back the other tags (one at a time) until it quits showing. Then you'll know what's causing the problem. I did try what you suggested. Still no Bob Dylan under Artists. There are two albums with Bob Dylan and the Band as Artist. Those show up...but no Bob Dylan. Thanks for the suggestion. jdt7385's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56306 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97793 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
