Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] What format does a Network HD need to be to run Touch (or other Squeezebox devices)
andyg;483121 Wrote: On Nov 8, 2009, at 8:43 AM, Mark Miksis wrote: [color=blue] Yeah I could do this. I'm just a bit worried it's a slippery slope into providing non-threaded builds for all platforms. :) It's a shame Pogo doesn't just use standard Debian. I guess a non-threaded perl arm build could make all buffalo linkstation users very happy :) Give me a PM when you have one available I might go on and test it ! -- bluegaspode 1x SB-Controller+Receiver (Duet), 1xSB-Boom. 1xSB-Radio Server (7.4.1) running on Linkstation NAS (LS-CHL) (with Debian Lenny instead of Stock-Firmware) bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71012 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] What format does a Network HD need to be to run Touch (or other Squeezebox devices)
metalbob;483304 Wrote: It will be close enough to my router to keep it hardwired. So, to keep it simple, would a network drive - not an actual server - connected to my router need to be a specific format? Again... It's not planned that Touch will support this. But a disk in a network drive (NAS) would be formatted with whatever file system the NAS uses. It won't matter to Squeezebox Server. And it usually wouldn't be anything that you'd worry about. You either buy the NAS with drives already installed or else you plug bare drives into it and it formats them for you. I don't know if you caught this from the posts above, but the Touch will share the disk drive over the network. You would copy/delete/edit files on the drive much as you would with an NAS. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71012 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] What format does a Network HD need to be to run Touch (or other Squeezebox devices)
JJZolx;483321 Wrote: Again... It's not planned that Touch will support this. But a disk in a network drive (NAS) would be formatted with whatever file system the NAS uses. It won't matter to Squeezebox Server. And it usually wouldn't be anything that you'd worry about. You either buy the NAS with drives already installed or else you plug bare drives into it and it formats them for you. I don't know if you caught this from the posts above, but if you have a disk drive directly attached to the Touch, it will share the drive over the network. You would copy/delete/edit files on the disk much as you would with an NAS. I actually didn't catch that as it seemed to get off topic. But that might solve some of my problems. But is an external drive connected to a router technically considered an NAS? It's not a self-powered server, it's just an external drive. That's the setup I was asking about. Since I do not have a Squeezebox product yet, is it possible to use the server software to prep a backup hard drive for when the Touch is finally available? -- metalbob metalbob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34128 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71012 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] What format does a Network HD need to be to run Touch (or other Squeezebox devices)
metalbob;483499 Wrote: But is an external drive connected to a router technically considered an NAS? It's not a self-powered server, it's just an external drive. That's the setup I was asking about. For the consumer devices that we're talking about, if it's attached to the network, then yes, it's an NAS. (There are other types of disk storage device that attach to networks, but they're not targeted or priced for consumers.) Disk drives can't be attached to networks. The container that houses the drive also contains a computer with an operating system and it shares the drive over the network. Since I do not have a Squeezebox product yet, is it possible to use the server software to prep a backup hard drive for when the Touch is finally available? You wouldn't use Squeezebox Server to do anything to a drive. If you're talking about a USB connected drive then you would first make sure it's formatted FAT32 if it doesn't already come formatted with this file system. Your version of Windows may not be able to do this, but if not, you can use google to find free disk drive utilities that can do it. Then you just copy your files onto the drive. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71012 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] What format does a Network HD need to be to run Touch (or other Squeezebox devices)
JJZolx;483504 Wrote: For the consumer devices that we're talking about, if it's attached to the network, then yes, it's an NAS. (There are other types of disk storage device that attach to networks, but they're not targeted or priced for consumers.) Disk drives can't be attached to networks. The container that houses the drive also contains a computer with an operating system and it shares the drive over the network. So is a shared drive different from a drive being attached to a network? Sure seems like it's the same thing. That's why I was asking for clarification on what actually constitutes an NAS as there is no additional hardware built into my shared drive. That is what I always assumed was an actual server. http://www.apple.com/airportextreme/ JJZolx;483504 Wrote: You wouldn't use Squeezebox Server to do anything to a drive. If you're talking about a USB connected drive then you would first make sure it's formatted FAT32 if it doesn't already come formatted with this file system. Your version of Windows may not be able to do this, but if not, you can use google to find free disk drive utilities that can do it. Then you just copy your files onto the drive. I am running a Mac other than for ripping, which I am using an old PC as a workhorse to do it. I can format discs with OSX's Disc Utility and not have to seek out software to do it. -- metalbob metalbob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34128 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71012 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] What format does a Network HD need to be to run Touch (or other Squeezebox devices)
JohnSwenson;482611 Wrote: There are a number of people that have used the sheevaplug as a sever, it costs $99 and looks like a wallwart, it takes about 3 watts so it won't cost too much in energy. It has an ethernet port and a USB jack, you plug it into the router, switch etc and a USB drive in the USB jack and load squeezebox server. It would be a much better choice for a large library. The raw sheevaplug has some software bugs that need fixing before you can really use it, but there is a device from a reseller called the PogoPlug that seems to have software issues worked out. (it has NAS software builtin, plug into the network, plug the drive in and connect to it over a web browser). I mentioned this in another thread, but the Sheeva and Pogo run different different Linux distros. The Sheeva runs Ubuntu and it's fairly trivial to run Sbs on it. Pogo, by default has no perl and if you install openpogo, it's a non-threaded perl. This won't work with Sbs. -- Mark Miksis Mark Miksis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=529 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71012 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] What format does a Network HD need to be to run Touch (or other Squeezebox devices)
Mark Miksis;482990 Wrote: Pogo, by default has no perl and if you install openpogo, it's a non-threaded perl. This won't work with Sbs. Which is a bit of a pity since we use a non-threaded perl for TinySC (also ARM) because it is substantially smaller, and somewhat faster. I guess we could look at providing non-threaded version of the various perl-XS libraries for the ARM build. -- awy awy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7480 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71012 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] What format does a Network HD need to be to run Touch (or other Squeezebox devices)
awy;483034 Wrote: Which is a bit of a pity since we use a non-threaded perl for TinySC (also ARM) because it is substantially smaller, and somewhat faster. I guess we could look at providing non-threaded version of the various perl-XS libraries for the ARM build. Well, that would be really cool. I have no idea which would be easier (rebuilding perl vs. rebuilding the XS modules). But now that I have a working Sheeva plug running Ubuntu, I probably won't attempt either any time soon. :) -- Mark Miksis Mark Miksis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=529 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71012 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] What format does a Network HD need to be to run Touch (or other Squeezebox devices)
On Nov 8, 2009, at 1:32 PM, usch wrote: Would non-threaded mean that it cannot run the web server? No, we do not use any features of threaded Perl, non-threaded Perl works just fine. ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] What format does a Network HD need to be to run Touch (or other Squeezebox devices)
If a future SbS includes those non-threaded modules, I will volunteer to figure out how to build an .ipk. I think it's just a .deb in a different archive format, but I haven't looked. In any case, a plug targeted release should also remove some unneeded stuff. -- Mark Miksis Mark Miksis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=529 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71012 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] What format does a Network HD need to be to run Touch (or other Squeezebox devices)
http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Ipkg and also: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BuildingIpkgs On Nov 8, 2009, at 6:16 PM, Mark Miksis wrote: If a future SbS includes those non-threaded modules, I will volunteer to figure out how to build an .ipk. I think it's just a .deb in a different archive format, but I haven't looked. In any case, a plug targeted release should also remove some unneeded stuff. -- Mark Miksis Mark Miksis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=529 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71012 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] What format does a Network HD need to be to run Touch (or other Squeezebox devices)
pfarrell;482585 Wrote: usch wrote: I don't think you will be very happy with a 1TB library behind a wireless LAN. I think you can generalize this. A terabyte of data is huge, and will take a long time to read, let alone write, over a IDE disk channel. There is no way that one can do much with one over even 10baseT ethernet, let alone WiFi. Some things just need to be connected. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ It will be close enough to my router to keep it hardwired. So, to keep it simple, would a network drive - not an actual server - connected to my router need to be a specific format? -- metalbob metalbob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34128 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71012 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] What format does a Network HD need to be to run Touch (or other Squeezebox devices)
JJZolx;482594 Wrote: If folks really are going to be using this standalone with a USB disk attached, it should have had two USB ports to facilitate backups of the music library disk. Yeah, you can add a USB hub, but... You have to get new files onto the USB drive somehow anyway. A reasonable workflow would be to rip, organize and tag on your PC, then either attach the USB drive, synchronize it, and attach it back to the Touch, or synchronize directly over the network. That way you always have two copies of your library and can even include your local copy in the normal backup plan of your PC. -- usch usch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33389 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71012 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] What format does a Network HD need to be to run Touch (or other Squeezebox devices)
I am in the market for the Touch when it is released. I am in the process of ripping my entire collection to lossless and want to get a network drive ready. What format (FAT32, NTFS, etc.)does the drive need to be for the Touch to read it? I am running a Mac setup at this point, but am using an old PC to do most of my ripping. -- metalbob metalbob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34128 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71012 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] What format does a Network HD need to be to run Touch (or other Squeezebox devices)
metalbob;482188 Wrote: I am in the market for the Touch when it is released. I am in the process of ripping my entire collection to lossless and want to get a network drive ready. What format (FAT32, NTFS, etc.)does the drive need to be for the Touch to read it? I am running a Mac setup at this point, but am using an old PC to do most of my ripping. Do you plan on using the internal server that the Touch will run or will you run the server on another machine on your network? If the server runs on another machine, then the drive format will only need to be compatible with that machine. But if you want to use the embedded server, Touch won't be able to utilize a network drive. It will be able to use an external USB drive, however. It must be FAT32 formatted. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71012 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
