Re: [Trisquel-users] I am a gamer can you plaease let me knw if these games are ok to install.
FLARE should be ok. It was added to the Ubuntu universe repo in precise. Meaning it should make its way into Trisquel in version 6.0. Unvanquished isn't in Debian and Ubuntu so someone would have to look into it and verify (sorry don't have the time to do so right now).
Re: [Trisquel-users] Adobe Flash required by math professor; how to confront him?
Update: My math professor suddenly sent an E-mail which basically said that I must use WebAssign or forfeit the grade (citing that I have been able to do my homework at this point... I knew that would bite me in the butt). He then referred me to another professor. I'm guessing he was told that working around the system is impossible, or otherwise assured that he has no obligation to help me. I have replied by saying that if that is the case, I would like to talk about migrating out of using WebAssign in the long term, and I have asked who is responsible for making the decision to use WebAssign. If he doesn't respond or the response is too vague before Thursday (which is when his office hours are), I will talk to him directly. I'm not letting him off the hook that easy. For now, at least, I'll do my homework, or at least the parts that require Flash to answer, on a live CD or on university computers. Just a note before it is suggested: I don't think threatening to drop the class can help, since it's not possible to get a refund on my tuition anymore (for that, you need to drop in the first couple of weeks). Is there a way that students dropping classes affects professors which I don't know about, which would still make dropping the class a meaningful threat? Should I contact WebAssign now, or should I wait? Any other advice to push for a long-term change?
Re: [Trisquel-users] I am a gamer can you plaease let me knw if these games are ok to install.
Libregamewiki takes a very strict approach to licensing of game media as well as code. https://libregamewiki.org/Libregamewiki:Article_policy flare would seem to fit in nicely! As far as I understand it looks like unvanquished is not fully free since the shaderlabs textures are not commercially usable or redistributable.
[Trisquel-users] Antwort: Ethical Uses of Video Game Console Emulators?
I understand your point. But even if you will read the ROM, you'll have to write it back in order to use the changes you made on real hardware. That will basically mean using an expensive flash-cart or making a repro cart (which is probably even more cumbersome). And while it is obvious that non-free software is creating numerous problems which are all solved by using free licenses, I still believe that the issues with games, especially on old consoles that don't have internet connectivity, are less severe than with normal programs that run on our PCs. It's only a theoretical disadvantage and any kind of malfunction is just a bug in a game. How bad is it that your games have bugs? It's not a threat for democracy after all. The ethics are still the same, but the real threat is much, much lower. And I'm not even commenting on what you said about copyright, there is no arguing that.
[Trisquel-users] Antwort: Ethical Uses of Video Game Console Emulators?
The SNES already has protection mechanisms built in besides the fact that cartridges aren't easily reproduced, like CDs. The Mega Drive / Genesis didn't have such a thing, at least the early model 1s didn't. And the protection mechanism the Mega Drive / Genesis implements is much less hard to crack and well documented. Sega doesn't even care about it being cracked nowadays, because they allow production of fully new projects for the Mega Drive, without licensing them. Their stance on it is we don't support it anymore. Do what you please but make sure you make it clear we didn't license any of your work.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ethical Uses of Video Game Console Emulators?
There is no question in maybe about 99 % of the cases that console game ROMs are not Free Software. But I can say that there are ethical uses for emulator software. For example, one could develep software for those consoles and test/use it with the emulator. There is also some roms which have only picture slide shows (at least for NES). The picture on the ROM does not have to be Free Software or similarly licenced media else you would render invisible most of the content in books and Internet and photography exhibitions etc. for your eyes. Another use is simply research out of curiosity or for even academical purposes. I personally find it very interesing and amusing what kind of things in the pre-era of super personal computer power was possible to do. Further there is a lot to learn for game development in those 8 bit games. I could continue with stories in especially RPG games, which you could either read from Internet or experience interactively with the actual game. Because of that I perceive certain games to be very problematic regarding Free Software. They are software, yet they are also amazing art much looked down by real art enthusiastics not to speak how they can be interactive stories more than just simply software. How about music? That's a whole new topic by itself. The world should not be black white. To have an emulator which is Free Software is for sure better than to have an emulator which is not Free Software or to not have emulator at all. One very important special note: You don't have to be in academy in order to research something because everyone can't be in academy, and it would be totally ridiculous if only those who are in some sort of academy can research something. The curiosity and thirst for knowledge is one thing what separates humans of animals. The one who makes research to satisfy his personal curiosity is behaving very humanly and is doing the right thing for sure. If he is interested of 8-bit games or whatever games does not make him a bit worse person than someone who studies classical music or real art.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Adobe Flash required by math professor; how to confront him?
It is a complicate situation and I'm sorry to know that you got to that point. Dropping a class isn't a solution because the only person that would suffer from this would be you and no one else (that could be a solution only if a lot of people, more than 50%, would stop doing their assignment on WebAssign at the same time, you can call this a boycott). If I was you I would : -- Send and email to every math teacher on the university talking about the problem and a possible solution -- Talk about this issue to other students in order to make them do the same (sending the same email or signing a petition) -- Send an email to WebAssign talking about your problem But since you don't have any other solution, you need to do it, I feel horrible for saying that but it is preferable for you, as a student, to do this using a LiveCD than loosing your class (and the money by the same occasion). A lot of people may not agree with me (and I don't agree with myself either), but (for me) it is better than just saying OK I Will do what you want !. I had the same problem with Cisco Packet Tracer (where there is no alternative for doing what they want), but I am discussing about that and I maybe found a solution, because the teachers can actually listen to the students (not all, but it is better than no one at all). The best you could do, is to find a professor that agrees with you and would be likely to send an email do WebAssign with the same problem, that could make WebAssign change a little bit the way they work. Hope it helps.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ethical Uses of Video Game Console Emulators?
Oh and by the way, emulators are not a problem at all. What is the problem and what is a very real problem is that there is so little Free Software for emulators. I have understood that there has been plans to port some Free Software games for consoles, but I don't know if that has ever happened.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Adobe Flash required by math professor; how to confront him?
I'd say go talk to the (wo)man in person. Explain briefly what free software is all about and your position. tell her/him you're facing an ethical issue and ask for help. Kudos to you for seizing the opportunity to explain to the professor what free software is. If only more people did it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ethical Uses of Video Game Console Emulators?
Have to lol more at this topic: This (bad photoshop) is very big and amazing art: http://blog.artbyveny.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/marilyn-monroe-painting1.jpg?w=297 It is Big Art because it has been made by Approved Big Name Artist Andy Warhol and it portrays Big Name Actress Marilyn Monroe (funnily enough it is also a derivative work). However, this can't be art: http://sorrytown.us/images/145.jpg First of all it is a monster from console video game, yuck D: I could go endlessly with this topic but I rather close that can of worms.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Wireless card configuration
It said I had an Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection. It is supported by GNU/Linux as I used to have other GNU/Linux systems on the laptop.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Adobe Flash required by math professor; how to confront him?
The problem with talking to the other students is none of them care, as far as I can tell. I mentioned before that the culture (for lack of a better word) of this university is terrible; nobody cares. I once mentioned the topic of free software to one of my classmates outside of class; I suggested she try LibreOffice instead of Microsoft Office, and all she had to say was that it would go over her head (something like when I get home, I'm going to be thinking, 'what was that thing he was talking about?'). Most importantly, I really have no clue how to talk to many people (preferably all 20-30 students in my class, at least) about the issue effectively, so that some people will think about it. As far as I'm aware, I have no way to know their E-mail addresses or even their names without asking them personally, and at that point I might as well explain free software to everyone individually, especially considering how weird it looks to ask someone for their E-mail address so randomly. There is a short amount of time before the teacher comes in when most people are in the classroom, but I can't think of any way to take advantage of that. I can send an E-mail to every professor, though, and I intend to do that. What exactly I say depends on my professor's answer to my question (about who makes the decision to use WebAssign; professors, or some single authority).
[Trisquel-users] Re : Ethical Uses of Video Game Console Emulators?
We have discussed this topic multiple times in this forum. Actually, the last discussion about it is #4 in the thread list (at the time I am writing): see this message and the four messages beneath it (in particular that of SirGrant with a link to the FSF opinion).
[Trisquel-users] Re : Wireless card configuration
Those other GNU/Linux you have used were relying on a Linux kernel that includes some proprietary drivers and firmware (such as the kernel released by Linus Torvalds himself). A blob was responsible for your Wifi card functioning (and, who knows?, spying on you, opening a backdoor, etc.). Trisquel, like any 100% free distribution, uses the Linux-libre kernel where every blob is removed. The recommended solution is to acquire a new Wifi card that perfectly works with Linux-libre. It is not a simple task as a same model can actually have some cards with a freedom-friendly chipset and some other cards with a chipset requiring a proprietary firmware. The only 100% sure way to freedom-friendly hardware (besides going from seller to seller testing the hardware one by one until finding one that works on your Trisquel laptop), is to buy it from ThinkPenguin. ThinkPenguin is the only seller that guarantees that every device it sells works with Linux-libre, hence Trisquel. Besides, by using the link I have just given, 25% of the benefits on your purchase are donated to the Trisquel project.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Wireless card configuration
:) What Magic Banna said. None of the Intel wireless cards will work. There are basically two companies with chipsets that will. There is a Broadcom chipset which I would not recommend (the developers who wrote it don't recommend it and I believe they were or are paid by Broadcom to code it). Despite that some here have satisified with it. Then the other chipsets which work are all from Atheros. We've been working with Atheros lately and they have been very cooperative with the free software community on getting a new USB N chipset to work with free software. It Is what our next generation USB dongle will be based on (still many months away).
Re: [Trisquel-users] Adobe Flash required by math professor; how to confront him?
I'm not so sure giving in is the answer. Continuing the class may not be the right answer. I would probably drop the class.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Wireless card configuration
For this reason it is a very good idea to buy hardware which work with Free Software. If you buy that kind of hardware you are not restricted anymore on what software you use on your computer. I personally am very picky of hardware and do tons of research (about performance and does it work on free software) before I buy anything, and after that I make tons of research to find from where I can get it cheapest. It is sort of perversion, I think. If you are not a pervert like me you could just buy hardware from ThinkPenguin. One very good thing with them none has mentioned here is that if you buy from them you don't pay to Microsoft of software installed on your computer.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Adobe Flash required by math professor; how to confront him?
I really don't think dropping the class would help. Like I said, it's too late to get the tuition refunded, so all that would look like to them me giving up. In other words, lots of harm to me, no message delivered to the school. However, I do intend (once my professor has answered who is responsible for choosing WebAssign) to threaten to leave this university after this term (or year, if that proves to be impossible) for another one, and if I see no indication of change, I will carry out that threat gladly.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Adobe Flash required by math professor; how to confront him?
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:59 PM, onp...@gmail.com wrote: I really don't think dropping the class would help. Like I said, it's too late to get the tuition refunded, so all that would look like to them me giving up. In other words, lots of harm to me, no message delivered to the school. However, I do intend (once my professor has answered who is responsible for choosing WebAssign) to threaten to leave this university after this term (or year, if that proves to be impossible) for another one, and if I see no indication of change, I will carry out that threat gladly. I understand your point. You should try to build some sort of critical mass to make yourself heard. Maybe your in your university there are students rights' associations or other offices of that sort that may help you. Good luck, -- Stefano
Re: [Trisquel-users] I am a gamer can you plaease let me knw if these games are ok to install.
Alright, thanks to both of you. I have added FLARE to the game list and skipped Unvanquished for now. A description is still missing though.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Adobe Flash required by math professor; how to confront him?
Maybe you could change the curriculum? For example I studied electrical engineering and computer engineering instead of software engineering and managed to avoid with that every single windows programming shit. Missed some programming courses, for what they would had been worth, but learned a lot of hardware, which I found very interesting. It is nice to know the basics how for example computers work. It is really fascinating, I can say.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Adobe Flash required by math professor; how to confront him?
Hm, I don't see any organizations like that. There is a Linux (sic) User Group, which hilariously proclaims its purpose as to support and promote the use of Linux (sic), UNIX and other Open Source technologies. I'll try talking to them, looks like there's an IRC channel. Maybe there's a couple free software supporters there.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Adobe Flash required by math professor; how to confront him?
Hmm, heh, nice suggestion, but I can say from experience that most of those students rigths associations are mostly interested of the next Wednesday and booze or next student party and booze. If they are not interested of that, they are interested of how to get more funds for administration of student association needed for free refreshment trips exclusively to the board xD At times they can be interested of something else if it means they can talk shit with officials of the school in some very important meeting, and most of all, try show to the officials of the school how intelligent people they are. If you tell them about Free Software they say oh, but I can get Windows for free, I don't need Free Software. After that you can try to explain about the Four Freedoms and why they are good and important just to see that they don't give a shit. So, in the end the only thing you can do is pick most powerful of them (because then you can say later that we (name) chose to install GNU/Linux) and talk enthusiastically how cool linux is and that it should be installed on the machines of the office of student organization. They say yeah because they say practically to anything yeah if they think it is socially acceptable (the only exception to this is politics, but I think you would not want to talk hours and hours about it with them so you better avoid that topic, remember they are politician wannabees). Then you just install GNU/Linux on every machine you can and when they see that and are like one helluva big WTF??? you just smile and say this is GNU/Linux, this is totally awesome, one moment, let me show you, here is Firefox and here is torrent file sharing program. File sharing program is a little bit different but still very easy to use! And don't even think about not installing flash. They can use GNU/Linux but if there is no flash they will get very mad. The end result will be that the most hippy student will begin to really use GNU/Linux and enjoy of it. She might be a good wife candidate too, so you should seriously consider to ask her for a date. (This is humour you might not comprehend and everything said has happened in real, and much more. I was very active in different student organizations.)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Adobe Flash required by math professor; how to confront him?
That sounds very promising. I would go talk with them and maybe try start things with Linux Installation Feast or Tux Party. Professors would not care of you but you might be able to have some fun and spread linux awareness.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Adobe Flash required by math professor; how to confront him?
I would not expect dropping the class to make a difference. I would do it because I believe what they were asking is unethical. I'd prefer not to hurt myself or others. It may not help others. It will on the other hand still be doing yourself a favor.
[Trisquel-users] abrowser version
How come abrowser in Brigantia is still version 14 when Firefox 16 was released today? Aren't abrowser versions supposed to track Firefox versions? Looking at the Ubuntu web site, it seems like Oneiric's Firefox is currently at version 15, so I guess Brigantia should follow suit?...
Re: [Trisquel-users] Adobe Flash required by math professor; how to confront him?
I chose to do whatever possible to avoid windows programming courses because I could not imagine ever programming something proprieatary stuff on windows. So unless you go for a career where you program proprieatary stuff for Windows I can't really see much point in doing windows programming courses. There are certainly ways to chose some other courses instead. Whatever from management and economics for example will be much better. I took quite some of those courses and don't regret it a bit. There must be a way how you can get shit courses replaced with courses actually giving value to you.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Forum Layout
Yeehi, can you point Me in the direction of the Vanilla plugin , I'm having trouble finding it
Re: [Trisquel-users] abrowser version
I'm taking a wild educated guess here although most likely some one in the chain is lagging behind. The browser in Trisquel is not straight up Firefox. It's a modified version so there has to be someone doing the modification even if this is just a script that runs or a patch that is applied as well as someone doing the packaging. If any of these people fall behind... :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Adobe Flash required by math professor; how to confront him?
If you allow me to ask this question even if it doesn't have (almost) anything to do with this post. But... Do anyone here work as a programmer ? And if yes do you only work on free software or sometimes with proprietary software (working with or creating them). Thanks in Advance (and sorry for this little hijack).
Re: [Trisquel-users] abrowser version
Is there a special way I could ask for something to change in Abrowser ? I'm asking this because I don't understand why they use DuckDuckGo Lite. DuckDuckGo itself is a very good search engine, but the lite version is very limited and almost only great for mobile :S... Because of this people normally use Google instead.
[Trisquel-users] Re : Adobe Flash required by math professor; how to confront him?
I am a software developer. My company creates proprietary software, and our tools are proprietary as well. Free Software is non-existent within this company. A few years ago, a brave colleague of mine was asked to stop using OpenOffice and stick to Word. Witnessing how we screw customers with forced upgrades, files in non-standard formats, and stupid bugs that they could fix themselves if they had the source code just makes me appreciate Free Software even more!
Re: [Trisquel-users] Adobe Flash required by math professor; how to confront him?
Wow, I honestly wish you earn a lot from doing what you do, so that the time spent in what you do is well compensated.
[Trisquel-users] Re : Forum Layout
Hello theblackpig, First, congrats for actually proposing something :). The current forum layout doesn't bother me. I don't really like forums with hundreds of sub-forums. A bit overkill as far as I am concerned. And more importantly, I sure hope we won't create a second Trisquel forum. Our small community cannot afford to be split! On the other hand, I think a Free Distributions forum would be a terrific idea, with a sub-forum for each distro recommended by the FSF, plus sub-forums for common discussions about Free Software issues. Uniting all Free Software users instead of splitting the community would definitely get my vote!
Re: [Trisquel-users] Adobe Flash required by math professor; how to confront him?
I am software developer by trade. I use a Trisquel box for all of my development. The project that I work on is a mix of free and non-free components/code. The company at which I work is very much a supporter of free software and is home to many of the core developers for the Freeswitch project, Cacti (or it was last I checked), the Psi jabber client, and contributes to many other free software projects (clamav among others).
Re: [Trisquel-users] Adobe Flash required by math professor; how to confront him?
Ok now I am jealous. Don't you need more workers ;D Seriously though, I don't think I could become a good programmer. One needs skillz and attitude for that.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Adobe Flash required by math professor; how to confront him?
Actually, yes: https://www.barracudanetworks.com/company/careers
Re: [Trisquel-users] Adobe Flash required by math professor; how to confront him?
Just out of curiosity is there any carrers (don't know if this is the right term) in other countries in Europe other than Germany ?
Re: [Trisquel-users] abrowser version
Yes, you can. Feel free to click on the bar and click on Manage Search Engines and click on Get More Search Engines and then choose from the available options in Mycroft. Personally I'm using Startpage.com for privacy and since it shows exactly what you'd get if you were on Google (Check Scroogle out as well if you like). Suggest you try out the omnibar addon as well for better effect.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Adobe Flash required by math professor; how to confront him?
Innsbruck, Austria Vienna, Austria Basingstoke, England There are posted sales jobs elsewhere in Europe, but not engineering jobs.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Adobe Flash required by math professor; how to confront him?
Thank you for the answer :D
Re: [Trisquel-users] Adobe Flash required by math professor; how to confront him?
Hmm, I highly approve Barracuda Networks and think it is a very interesting company. I am just wondering how to sneak in :D
Re: [Trisquel-users] abrowser version
The Lite version is probably used because the full version requires non-free javascript.
Re: [Trisquel-users] abrowser version
That Mycroft sounds good. DuckDuckGo is kinda meh, and good for simple searches only. Many times I have to do my searching with Google after trying first DuckDuckGo.
Re: [Trisquel-users] abrowser version
DuckDuckGo is just fine. I like to support them because Gabriel (the founder) donates money to FS projects from his company's revenue besides partnering with them. But their reliance of cookies to customize are annoying as I browse in private mode. Yeah I can use some parameters in the URL but I don't know how to integrate them in the search bar. But what do people here think of Blekko or Seeks?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Adobe Flash required by math professor; how to confront him?
Just noticed that you have written updates. This forum where you can inject messages between messages is confusing. I am very sorry and pissed to hear what happened after your great success. I probably would drop the class without even giving it a second thought (after negotiating with the teacher and telling him that alright, I will take FAIL as a grade if I must use the Flash thingy). The thing just is that I am an reckless idiot xD If the subject you are studying is worthwhile to you I could recommend you to just keep going, and keep the flag high. You did great job.
Re: [Trisquel-users] abrowser version
Hum.. I didn't see this that way.. But then why there is Google Search on aBrowser and not on Iceweasel for example ?
Re: [Trisquel-users] abrowser version
Hmm, alright, it is worth to start searching with DuckDuckGo first then. Thanks of the info.
[Trisquel-users] Re : Adobe Flash required by math professor; how to confront him?
Well 'screw' was maybe a bit harsh; that's just the way proprietary software vendors work. I give money to free software projects and never use proprietary software outside of my job so my conscience is clean ;). I'd say working for such a company just constantly reinforces my personal commitment to Free Software ;).
Re: [Trisquel-users] Adobe Flash required by math professor; how to confront him?
If you ever meet Richard Stallman you may not want to bring up what you do.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Adobe Flash required by math professor; how to confront him?
Indeed xD
[Trisquel-users] Re : Adobe Flash required by math professor; how to confront him?
I've never met him but would gladly go to one of his speeches if he ever came to my area (Montreal). So I won't mention my job, nor the fact that I have two children and a smartphone - anything else I should know? lol :).
Re: [Trisquel-users] Adobe Flash required by math professor; how to confront him?
Remember to speak slowly ! He has problems listening to people talking fast, OH and be careful with your feet... just saying xD
Re: [Trisquel-users] abrowser version
I will be honest. As a normal user, DuckDuckGo is very frustrating since it doesn't have all of the algorithms used by Google in order to almost know exactly what you are searching for. And worse then that, there is no native way to found images like with Google. But as a developer an a Wikipedia lover it is so damn good to just type some technical words and having DuckDuckGo to show the exact technical output I was looking for without having to open any link :D (and this is why I wanted to ask to change from the lite version to the normal version. Since the lite version doesn't offer this option). It is like the I Feel Lucky option when you try to search something using the url bar (Chrome habits)... If you search 1 word you will almost not find what you search, but if you search 2 or more words with spaces (without using the + symbol then), you will have a nice and beautiful error message.
Re: [Trisquel-users] abrowser version
Ubuntu should have 16 in their repos in the next day or so. I'm disappointed in Ruben for slacking in one of the more important Trisquel projects. Or maybe I'm not considering it is taking him forever to release 6 when the version he is basing it on was released 6 months ago! You do have to hand it to Canonical for being consistent with their releases and support. Trisquel is a one man fly by night operation with no guarantee that he will even release new versions. What's stopping him from disappearing off the face of the eath tomorrow and this project dying as a result. Nothing.
Re: [Trisquel-users] abrowser version
Given your lack of contribution to this project, constant criticism, ungratefulness, dislike of the distribution, and dislike of the only thing which makes it unique why do you continue to hang out here? Just leave already. AND that is putting it nicely.
[Trisquel-users] Ubuntu's new model: donate money for new features. Will it affect Trisquel?
I just saw an article at http://www.zdnet.com/ubuntu-linux-donationware-705497/ about Canonical pushing a donation model so people can donate amounts of money to improvements that they feel is important. Some open source projects have this model, but with Ubuntu being one of the most used and important distributions, what does this really mean for the users and the distributions (like Trisquel) that are based on it? Is there a fear that certain improvements may not happen or new features aren't added because someone decided to pay more for one thing? Wasn't Ubuntu supposed to be bipartisan and if this affects the future of Trisquel, would the Trisquel team move away from Ubuntu and back to Debian?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Adobe Flash required by math professor; how to confront him?
Stallman would probably say that software is more important than your children so you should quit your job and let them starve so you can start a one man free software project and panhandle to feed yourself. Otherwise you are being unethical and ruining the entire universe. Eventually you can't pay your mortgage or utility bills and you lose your power and therefore the ability to code in the Stallman ideal. Your wife then calls you a deadbeat and threatens to leave you unless you send out your resume and get a real job with a software company. Your old company takes you back (after you beg like an animal), you pay your bills again like a good citizen, and the government doesn't take away your kids.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Adobe Flash required by math professor; how to confront him?
Your logical fallacy is [http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman strawman]: You misrepresented someone's argument to make it easier to attack.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Forum Layout
I agree a free distros forum would be nice. When I came to these forums, I was used to phpBB and found this forum a little bare. Since then I've come to value and like the simplicity. One thing I've been thinking about is could the separate languages be somehow automatically translated to every other language. There is a wealth of interesting material dangling just outside my grasp. I realize machine translation is still fairly shoddy and nobody is going to do it by hand.
