Re: [Trisquel-users] Diaspora*

2014-09-04 Thread blade . vp2020

This my Account
alimira...@pod.geraspora.de
But I'm thinking about moving to GNU social


Re: [Trisquel-users] Diaspora*

2014-09-04 Thread Ivan Antipenko
ak...@soical.feder8.ru - it's Friendica instance (Friendia can act as
Diaspora* pod too)


On Thu, 2014-09-04 at 01:57 +0200, blade.vp2...@gmail.com wrote:
> hi
> Are Here Any person Have an account on Diaspora*??
> 
> 

-- 
Happy hacking!
Ivan Antipenko aka akfio
www: https://blog.akifo.pw
xmpp: ak...@member.fsf.org
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BitMessage: BM-2cUBB2sXo7yKRU1GkjT3ToznBMy5Sj9PCi




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Re: [Trisquel-users] Help installing Libreboot and dependencies

2014-09-04 Thread oxdeanxo
Alright, that definitely helped. Now i'm stuck on the "How to build  
"flashrom"" section. Specifically this part:


 "After you've done that, under ./flashrom/ you will find the following  
executables:


flashrom
For flashing while coreboot or libreboot is running.
flashrom_lenovobios_sst
This is patched for flashing while Lenovo BIOS is running on an X60  
or T60 with the SST25VF016B (SST) flash chip.

flashrom_lenovobios_macronix
This is patched for flashing while Lenovo BIOS is running on an X60  
or T60 with the MX25L1605D (Macronix) flash chip."


Does this mean that I can only install libreboot if the motherboard has a  
flash chip installed?




Re: [Trisquel-users] Help installing Libreboot and dependencies

2014-09-04 Thread oxdeanxo

Build-essential was apparently already installed.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Diaspora*

2014-09-04 Thread Ivaylo Valkov
В 01:57 +0200 на 04.09.2014 (чт), [nos...@spam.yourself.inste.ad]
написа:
> hi
> Are Here Any person Have an account on Diaspora*??

I'm not on Diaspora* yet, but it is in my TODO list as part of a grander
scheme. Don't know when it will happen

You can find me on pump.io: valkov at identi dot ca.



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Re: [Trisquel-users] Freeslack (a little off topic)

2014-09-04 Thread gnufreeme
I suppose this is so people can run a free version based on Slackware without  
the far more difficult route of a proper fork.  As Rubén can attest, there  
is a lot of work completely freeing a distro. For example, I doubt all  
references to non-free software are removed from the packages of "FreeSlack".


Still, I'll give it a try this weekend. ;-)  


Re: [Trisquel-users] Help installing Libreboot and dependencies

2014-09-04 Thread mikko . viinamaki
It's a collection of thing you need for building things, you should install  
it if you're going to compile stuff.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Munich gives up on GNU/Linux and free/open source software

2014-09-04 Thread a1716479
 My point was features-convenience do not conflict with freedom-power, if  
the constraining elements of closed source are removed, and solely the  
functionality is achieved.  The two are not mutually exclusive.
 I'm not ignoring the trend, which is obvious.  My point is these things  
ARE possible.  If a given proprietary program does something unique-useful,  
and also locks users behind a text wall, as well as siphoning out their  
personal information for use by 3rd parties; a new program can be created  
that does nothing but fulfill the basic functionality of said program.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Compilation terminates, likely due to missing library

2014-09-04 Thread LDrumbler

I'm sorry, how do I change the linker flags?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hello from a new user

2014-09-04 Thread gnufreeme

WOOT!


Re: [Trisquel-users] finding particular pages within PDFs

2014-09-04 Thread adel . afzal
I get an error message at the end of the run, and there doesn't seem to be a  
matches file in my working folder.  Maybe 500+ megs of PDFs is too much. I  
did a few test runs with a few 10-15 page PDFs, and that seemed to work.


I/O Error: Couldn't open file '/tmp/pdf-page-grep.PHgWDa-1022': Too many open  
files.
Syntax Error: Could not merge damaged documents  
('/tmp/pdf-page-grep.PHgWDa-1022')

29008 matching pages written to "TERRYMAULDIN226-246-1336-matches.pdf"
adel@adel-W55xEU:~/Desktop/research$




Re: [Trisquel-users] Diaspora*

2014-09-04 Thread Andrew Roffey
blade.vp2020 wrote:
> hi Are Here Any person Have an account on Diaspora*??

I'm not on Diaspora yet, but I might check it out if I get spare time,
especially if there are free software advocates on there.

I'm on pump.io which is also used by free software advocates. Pump.io is
another federated social network similar to Diaspora.

Mine is digitalroffey at pumpit dot info.

Andrew.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Compilation terminates, likely due to missing library

2014-09-04 Thread legimet . calc
That's not the only issue. Boost compiled for different platforms has  
different names. This project's makefile or whatever is trying to link to the  
Boost library for MinGW (mgw). If you just change the linker flags, it should  
be fine.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Diaspora*

2014-09-04 Thread taknamay

Diaspora: coldbloodedfirelizard at diasp dot org

I don't know if you use pump.io, but I will share that too.

pump.io: coldbloodedfirelizard at pumpbuddy dot us


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hello from a new user

2014-09-04 Thread anthonypineiro

Welcome to trisquelgnulinux! Glad you found a great community.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Compilation terminates, likely due to missing library

2014-09-04 Thread gramex
This is a bit off topic, but why are you interested in CAPTcoin? I don't know  
much about it, but it may be a scam. (I don't trust Bitcoin forks too  
much...)


Re: [Trisquel-users] When is proprietary software bad?

2014-09-04 Thread onpon4
That's not slavery at all. It sounds to me like dependence on a commune. The  
problem with that comparison, though, is proprietary software creates  
dependence; dependence on a commune for food is caused by nature, not people,  
so a question of ethics isn't raised. The difficulties of escaping from  
slavery are caused by laws and efforts against slaves by slave owners, not  
simple nature.


It's true that the comparisons between slavery and proprietary software are  
only valid within a limited scope. This is what I've said from the beginning  
(riftyful asked if it's a "loose comparison", and I said yes). That limited  
scope is the fact that both are exploitative by their very nature. It doesn't  
matter if someone "agrees" to be exploited; they're still being exploited,  
and that's unethical.


My point is, slavery is always exploitative and therefore never ethical. In  
modern society (or at least most of it), it's illegal. Voluntary "slavery" is  
D/s, and that is perfectly fine because it's not exploitative, for the  
reasons I mentioned. Similarly, proprietary software is always exploitative  
and therefore never ethical. It should probably eventually be illegal. But  
choosing not to have the source code to libre programs you use* (you could  
call it "voluntarily non-libre", in the sense that you the user are deciding  
not to have control over your computing) is perfectly fine because it's not  
exploitative, again for the reasons I mentioned.


* I was previously talking about choosing not to modify libre programs, but I  
think choosing to make it so you don't have a copy of the source code at all  
is a more appropriate comparison, since it simulates what proprietary  
software is like better.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hello from a new user

2014-09-04 Thread franparpe

Welcome to the Trisquel community.




Re: [Trisquel-users] When is proprietary software bad?

2014-09-04 Thread Andrew Roffey
> " It's just someone choosing to submit to someone else and taking on
>  the title "slave". Because it's not actual slavery, you can back out
>  and otherwise assert your right to freedom."
> 
> proprietary software fits perfectly to this description. You _can_ 
> back out of the "slavery" of a proprietary program anytime, without 
> being whipped. Once I install microsoft office on my computer, that 
> doesn't mean I will get punished if I decide to get rid of it - I can
> just delete it.

For some proprietary programs it might be true that a free replacement
will allow you to stop using the proprietary program. For many others,
this is not true.

If you are use Cisco Packet Tracer to simulate a network, for example,
there are probably aren't any free replacements for that program
available that can read the proprietary format. Sure, you can just
delete the program, but your files effectively become useless. You are
essentially a slave to the program for as long as you need that
particular function using those particular files. At least that is until
you find a free replacement and manually recreate the network
simulation, or someone spends the time to build a free replacement that
will read your files, both which could take a long time.

Andrew.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Update Manager Not Working

2014-09-04 Thread anthonypineiro
Have better things to do with my time then rant. Yes *I* do have this same  
problem. I also have that freedom to state my option. Again this is very  
irritating. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Update Manager Not Working

2014-09-04 Thread christian
I have also experienced this issue for some updates in the past month or so,  
and have had to use apt-get dist-upgrade from the terminal and reboot when it  
happens.


Re: [Trisquel-users] When is proprietary software bad?

2014-09-04 Thread jabjabs
About the closest I can think of is the use of LGPL in software, where as  
Free software can be distributed simply as a binary in a proprietary program.
Even then this is merely a compromise because the additional software isn't  
Free.


The big issue is that the only distinction between proprietary and Free  
software is the licence and the rules of distribution, beyond that there is  
nothing else it can gain in terms of functionality.


Some have argued that 'closed/proprietary' software is needed in high risk  
situations like banks, utilities services and security to keep it obscure  
from attacks but that is a straw man argument. Security through obscurity is  
not security at all. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hello from a new user

2014-09-04 Thread jabjabs
Welcome and take a look around, this place is fairly active which is always  
nice. And don't worry people using "open source" and "Linux" would get a kind  
reminder about what the terminology means - not that I have seen it.


[Trisquel-users] Re : When is proprietary software bad?

2014-09-04 Thread magicbanana
I do not think that using proprietary software (with no interaction with  
other user) is unethical. Developing such software definitely is. It however  
is sad that users of proprietary software do not seem to value their own  
freedoms.


[Trisquel-users] Re : Update Manager Not Working

2014-09-04 Thread magicbanana
Do *you* have a problem with "Update Manager" or do you only want to rant?  
SVTony had a problem but it is not like everybody had. And if you would look  
at the forums of essentially any distribution, you would find some users  
having such problems.


[Trisquel-users] Re : Compilation terminates, likely due to missing library

2014-09-04 Thread magicbanana
For some reasons, it looks like the linker is searching for the versions 1.53  
of those libraries.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Help installing Libreboot and dependencies

2014-09-04 Thread oxdeanxo

No, I don't know what that is.


Re: [Trisquel-users] When is proprietary software bad?

2014-09-04 Thread ashok . biollay

Just a question :

Are there ethical arguments that justify to use proprietary softwares rather  
than free softwares ?


Re: [Trisquel-users] When is proprietary software bad?

2014-09-04 Thread shiretoko
"I'm not sure what you mean here. LibreOffice wasn't offered by Microsoft as  
an alternative. Microsoft only developed Microsoft Office."


No, you got me wrong. I argued that proprietary software resembles D/s more  
than slavery because - instead of real slavery - it doesn't prevent people  
from breaking out by force.
You replied that people may be hold back since they need certain features of  
proprietary software. With "offering choices" I meant features offered by  
proprietary software which a user might desperately need and aren't available  
elsewhere.
If a user needs ms office because of some specific feature, it's comparable  
to a slave who needs his slave owner in order to get food, but in principle  
is free to end this relationship - not real slavery, in my view. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Help installing Libreboot and dependencies

2014-09-04 Thread Michał Masłowski
Easier is to use binaries from release 6.  Unbricking guides in the
documentation recommend known working recovery tools, they are needed if
flashing fails or if you flash a non-working ROM.  People on #libreboot
on Freenode know more.


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Re: [Trisquel-users] Help installing Libreboot and dependencies

2014-09-04 Thread oxdeanxo
Do you think it would just be easier to use release 6? I forgot to mention  
that I was trying to use release 5. No, I don't have any recovery tools. What  
should I be using for that?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Help installing Libreboot and dependencies

2014-09-04 Thread Michał Masłowski
That documentation refers to release 6, beta 6.  Older versions have
different scripts.

Do you have tools for recovery if your build fails to boot?


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Re: [Trisquel-users] When is proprietary software bad?

2014-09-04 Thread onpon4
I think you misunderstood my mention of whipping. I didn't say that it was in  
any way connected to leaving, and I didn't mean to imply that either.  
Whipping is sometimes a BDSM activity that people choose to partake in.  
Slaves don't have a choice in the matter; if their owner decides to whip  
them, for whatever reason, they get whipped.


quantumgravity said:
> Offering choices

I'm not sure what you mean here. LibreOffice wasn't offered by Microsoft as  
an alternative. Microsoft only developed Microsoft Office. The choice is only  
there because someone else decided to develop OpenOffice and people continue  
to develop it. That someone else worked hard to make it possible for you to  
do the job without having your freedom attacked doesn't make the program that  
does attack your freedom any better.


quantumgravity said:
> You describe a slave owner, telling his slave:
> "you are free to go, but then I won't give you food anymore."
> I don't think we can actually talk about slavery anymore, even though the
> "slave" will have a hard time getting his food elsewhere.
> If you disagree, almost every job in an economically bad environment would
> be considered to be slavery then.
> Do you see where I'm coming from?

You misunderstand. That would be the slave owner setting the slave free. I  
was talking about a slave fleeing from his owner and becoming an outlaw. If  
he's caught by the authorities, he will be sent right back to his owner.  
Sometimes a slave can escape, perhaps by seeking asylum somewhere else (as  
many slaves in the United States did when the fled to the north), or perhaps  
by hiding from the law. But if such an option isn't available, you have to  
flee from society altogether, and you're not likely to be able to survive  
that.


Like I said, I think people wishing to move away from proprietary software  
have more success than slaves did escaping from their masters, probably. But  
I don't think the comparison is flawed at an abstract level: sometimes you  
can escape from proprietary software by using a libre replacement or doing  
without it, and sometimes you realistically can't.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hello from a new user

2014-09-04 Thread debianlinux

welcome!!


Re: [Trisquel-users] When is proprietary software bad?

2014-09-04 Thread shiretoko
"But what if you need Microsoft Office, and LibreOffice can't suit your  
needs? "


You're mixing up things. Offering choices is not the same as using the whip,  
i.e. actively holding somebody back.

You describe a slave owner, telling his slave:
"you are free to go, but then I won't give you food anymore."
I don't think we can actually talk about slavery anymore, even though the  
"slave" will have a hard time getting his food elsewhere.
If you disagree, almost every job in an economically bad environment would be  
considered to be slavery then.

Do you see where I'm coming from?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Update Manager Not Working

2014-09-04 Thread anthonypineiro
Now a problem with the update manager! These type of problems will lead  
people away from Trisquel. Lately this been an on going issue with updates  
including this recently  
https://trisquel.info/en/forum/where-are-all-security-updates I'm a patient  
person but this is starting to get irritating. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Help installing Libreboot and dependencies

2014-09-04 Thread mikko . viinamaki

Have you got the build-essential package installed?


Re: [Trisquel-users] When is proprietary software bad?

2014-09-04 Thread onpon4

quantumgravity said:
> Once I install microsoft office on my computer, that doesn't mean I will
> get punished if I decide to get rid of it - I can just delete it.

But what if you need Microsoft Office, and LibreOffice can't suit your needs?  
This has been the case for people in the past, and not just for Microsoft  
Office.


As I mentioned, slaves could sometimes do things to set themselves free,  
ostensibly. They could sometimes ostensibly pay their owners with money they  
could ostensibly get by working extra-hard, or perhaps they technically had  
the ability to find an opportune moment and run off to the desert or  
wilderness, risking death by starvation or being eaten by a predator. None of  
this ever made slavery acceptable. It wouldn't have done so even if people  
had willingly chosen to be slaves, rather than forced into slavery due to  
things like economic circumstances and conquest.


I argue that the ability to choose not to use proprietary software is also,  
often, ostensible. Sometimes it's really a choice you can make, sometimes it  
isn't; I suppose the success rate is much greater than the success rate of  
slaves trying to get out of slavery, mostly because of the work of the  
free/libre software movement and the fact that it doesn't require breaking  
any laws. But I think focusing on this detail is pedantic, given the point of  
the analogy.


Re: [Trisquel-users] When is proprietary software bad?

2014-09-04 Thread onpon4
To clarify, I don't think slavery is in general similar to proprietary  
software. I just think some aspects of it are comparable.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hello from a new user

2014-09-04 Thread chris

Hi!

And Welcome!


Re: [Trisquel-users] When is proprietary software bad?

2014-09-04 Thread shiretoko
"If we compare proprietary software to slavery, D/s is more like choosing not  
to assert control over a libre program than choosing to use a proprietary  
program. "


Well, according to your statement about D/s

" It's just someone choosing to submit to someone else and taking on the  
title "slave". Because it's not actual slavery, you can back out and  
otherwise assert your right to freedom."


proprietary software fits perfectly to this description.
You _can_ back out of the "slavery" of a proprietary program anytime, without  
being whipped.
Once I install microsoft office on my computer, that doesn't mean I will  
get punished if I decide to get rid of it - I can just delete it.




[Trisquel-users] Help installing Libreboot and dependencies

2014-09-04 Thread oxdeanxo
I am having the absoulte hardest time installing Libreboot on my Thinkpad  
X60s. I must be missing something. I downloaded the source and binaries from  
here: http://libreboot.org/docs/release.html#release5 , and I'm trying to  
follow the guildlines here: http://libreboot.org/docs/index.html . The  
instructions talk about a "deps-trisquel" script, but I can't find that in  
the files. Instead  I used "./builddeps", which gave me this:


x60s@x60s-ThinkPad-X60s:~/Downloads/libreboot_src$ sudo ./builddeps
./builddeps: line 7: make: command not found
./builddeps: line 11: make: command not found
./builddeps: line 12: make: command not found
./builddeps: line 22: make: command not found
./builddeps: line 23: make: command not found
./builddeps: line 28: make: command not found
Importing unicode...
Importing libgcrypt...
WARNING: grub-core/lib/libgcrypt-grub already exists
WARNING: grub-core/lib/libgcrypt-grub/cipher already exists
WARNING: grub-core/lib/libgcrypt-grub/mpi already exists
WARNING: grub-core/lib/libgcrypt-grub/src already exists
Generating Automake input...
Saving timestamps...
Running autoreconf...
./autogen.sh: line 83: autoreconf: command not found
checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking target system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
checking for a thread-safe mkdir -p... /bin/mkdir -p
checking for gawk... no
checking for mawk... mawk
checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... no
checking for cmp... cmp
checking for bison... no
configure: error: bison is not found
./builddeps: line 31: make: command not found
./builddeps: line 36: make: command not found
./builddeps: line 37: make: command not found
./builddeps: line 42: make: command not found
./builddeps: line 43: make: command not found
./builddeps: line 46: cd: flashrom: No such file or directory
./builddeps: line 47: make: command not found
./builddeps: line 48: make: command not found

After that, I tried to follow the next step, but I don't see a "getall"  
script either. I am extremely confused and any help would be greatly  
appriciated.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Systemd

2014-09-04 Thread nux

Got sent a link to this today.
From Mr Poettering's blog.

We want a unified solution that ultimately can cover updates for full  
systems, OS containers, end user apps, programming ABIs, and more. These  
updates shall be double-buffered, (at least). This is an absolute necessity  
if we want to prepare the ground for operating systems that manage  
themselves, that can update safely without administrator involvement.


http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html


Re: [Trisquel-users] Install TOR Browser

2014-09-04 Thread santiago . lorente
Did it! The download worked now and could followed libredrs recommendations.  
Thank you all!


Re: [Trisquel-users] Freeslack (a little off topic)

2014-09-04 Thread nux
Dragora is brutal. Even more so than Slackware. I got as far as getting  
everything working on Dragora, except my printer - couldn't find half of what  
I needed to compile drivers.


But the above instructions are for taking a vanilla Slackware install and  
then cleaning it up. So you get pretty much what you'd get with Slackware,  
including a sane desktop on first graphical boot. With Dragora I get a  
1024x768 blurred mess that requires a manually created and edited xorg.conf.


I've always had a thing for Slackware. Back when I first discovered Linux the  
name Slackware seemed to call to me - sounds silly I know, but there it is.  
Once I finally discovered libre-software Slackware seemed to be out of  
bounds, so this discovery is pretty awesome.


It still looks like the fonts have been scratched into the screen with a  
rusty needle though.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Freeslack (a little off topic)

2014-09-04 Thread onpon4
Is it really any better than Dragora? I know that both Slackware and Dragora  
follow the KISS principle. I've never tried them, though, because KISS seems  
to be a bad choice for me.


Re: [Trisquel-users] When is proprietary software bad?

2014-09-04 Thread onpon4

riftyful said:
> Now then, if someone makes the choice to be a slave and they happy with the
> way they are treated, is that wrong? If a person enslaves someone who  
wishes
> to be enslaved and is completely okay with it, and they do not force that  
upon

> other people, what is wrong with that?

That sounds to me like D/s rather than slavery:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominance_and_submission

I don't think D/s is wrong. The key point to note is that D/s doesn't  
actually involve slavery, because slavery is illegal. It's just someone  
choosing to submit to someone else and taking on the title "slave". Because  
it's not actual slavery, you can back out and otherwise assert your right to  
freedom. For example, if you're a real slave, your owner might whip you, and  
there's nothing you can do about it. If you're just practicing D/s, and you  
don't like to be whipped, you can refuse to be whipped.


If we compare proprietary software to slavery, D/s is more like choosing not  
to assert control over a libre program than choosing to use a proprietary  
program. If you have a problem with something a proprietary program is doing,  
such as spyware, you can't do anything about it, unless you can both get away  
from using the program and learn to live without it, which isn't always  
possible. If it's a libre program that you're simply choosing not to assert  
control over, though, you can, at any time, choose to start asserting control  
over it by e.g. removing the feature you have a problem with.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Freeslack (a little off topic)

2014-09-04 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Thanks, pretty cool. That's like the first step towards a new fully free  
distro.


Re: [Trisquel-users] When is proprietary software bad?

2014-09-04 Thread onpon4

riftyful said:
> But I don't mean to martinet, just making sure this is a loose comparison.

It is.

But regarding being able to move to freedom, oftentimes slaves could  
ostensibly move to freedom, e.g. by paying their owners. It just didn't work  
like that in practice.


Though not quite to the same level, while you could move away from  
proprietary software you depend on, in practice it's not always possible.  
More specifically, you're forced to make sacrifices to make yourself free. In  
1983, it was literally impossible without using obsolete systems or  
developing a whole system by yourself, because there wasn't any libre  
software at all. Today, the problem still remains in the sense that a lot of  
hardware won't work without proprietary software, and a lot of websites won't  
work without proprietary JavaScript. Further, schools are often requiring the  
use of proprietary software one way or another. I think you'll agree that  
dropping out of college to be free is a huge, unreasonable sacrifice! So is  
having to personally replace every proprietary program the university might  
require you to use, and make it 100% compatible.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Compilation terminates, likely due to missing library

2014-09-04 Thread LDrumbler

Yes to all.


[Trisquel-users] Freeslack (a little off topic)

2014-09-04 Thread nux
For anyone interested, I found instructions for "sanitising" a Slackware  
install.


http://freeslack.net/


Re: [Trisquel-users] When is proprietary software bad?

2014-09-04 Thread nux
But they're not just limiting their own freedom, they're limiting everyone  
elses too. They are saying, effectively, "it's OK to publish proprietary  
software and it's OK to limit people's use and freedom through it".


[Trisquel-users] Hello from a new user

2014-09-04 Thread tombates70

I'm a new user and just wanted to say hello to the forum members.

I installed Trisquel a couple of days ago and my distro-hopping is now over.
Finally, I've found a place, where forum members say GNU/Linux instead of  
"linux", Free and/or Libre Software instead of "open source" and where people  
actually value freedom and privacy.


I want to thank everyone who created this high quality fully free GNU/Linux  
distribution and everyone who has contributed to the project.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Hello from a new user

2014-09-04 Thread nux

Greetings and welcome.


Re: [Trisquel-users] When is proprietary software bad?

2014-09-04 Thread riftyful
I am pretty sure slavery is worse than proprietary software, seeing as slaves  
could not stop being slaves and move to freedom. But I don't mean to  
martinet, just making sure this is a loose comparison. Now then, if someone  
makes the choice to be a slave and they happy with the way they are treated,  
is that wrong? If a person enslaves someone who wishes to be enslaved and is  
completely okay with it, and they do not force that upon other people, what  
is wrong with that? (Now I am talking in general; things like Skype kind of  
do force themselves upon other people, in a way)


Re: [Trisquel-users] When is proprietary software bad?

2014-09-04 Thread riftyful
Well, what if someone does smoke, but they do not mind their health being  
endangered at all? Sure, that does not make smoking good - I suppose that  
over the time people set a common standard that damaging one's health is bad,  
so this can apply here. But is it incorrect or unethical?


Let's take PhotoShop as example; unlike Skype, it's a tool a person uses by  
themselves. It does not involve other people and the product created using it  
can still be free. So in this case, it's only the one person limiting their  
own freedom when using the software. Can we call this activity unethical? If  
a person is okay with limiting their own freedom (We assume the person is  
familiar with proprietary software and it's limitations), is it still wrong  
of them to use the software?


Now, I did not really mean "bad" as in "worse". I meant bad as in "evil" or  
"ethically wrong".


Thank you for reply.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Learning self-defense

2014-09-04 Thread gnuser
These are unknown waters for me. One question: if a device (keyboard or wifi  
card or webcam) has software (firmware) written inside of it to be able to  
work, but that firmware doesn't talk to the OS (only the driver makes the  
connection between computer and device, OS and device) then we should be ok  
using it without thinking about "freedom issues"? I am asking as I don't get  
the "free firmware" issue, since firmware runs inside the device it cannot be  
changed to install a free alternative correct?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Learning self-defense

2014-09-04 Thread gnuser
Well, I think we scared Lep away :P Maybe we diverted from the original  
thread subject.


I think one good place for you to start would be reading the documentation on  
BackTrack Linux. I am not suggesting you use the distro (which is probably  
non-free) but just read the documentation, they have a lot of tutorials and  
such that might be useful. Also, many of the programs they use are free  
(search for them in the repos) so you can use them in Trisquel. I believe  
they have now moved to a new project called Kali Linux, so check them both.  
They also have a forum that might be useful for you to make questions and  
read others questions. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] When is proprietary software bad?

2014-09-04 Thread gnuser

Just watched it, not bad. Nothing totally new and amazing, but interesting.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Allow switching between kernels in GRUB

2014-09-04 Thread onpon4
I investigated this, and it seems what you want to do to make GRUB always  
show up is unset GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT and GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET (by  
commenting out the lines that set them).


[Trisquel-users] Re : Compilation terminates, likely due to missing library

2014-09-04 Thread magicbanana
Have you installed "libboost-system1.48.0", "libboost-filesystem1.48.0",  
libboost-program-options1.48.0" and "libboost-thread1.48.0"?


[Trisquel-users] Re : Allow switching between kernels in GRUB

2014-09-04 Thread magicbanana
Physically removing the nVidia cards from desktop computers is not hard and  
not "putting money into them". I keep on thinking it is the best solution.


You would only want to check first whether 'lspci' indicates that there is a  
"VGA compatible controller" inside the Intel processor. You probably run this  
command anyway to discover the nVidia card.


Your "average folks" will not have any trouble with Intel graphics. On the  
contrary, having to boot an most outdated kernel (because it has the evil  
blob) will be troublesome.


[Trisquel-users] Re : Allow switching between kernels in GRUB

2014-09-04 Thread magicbanana
As far as I remember, GRUB lists all installed kernels. On Trisquel, the menu  
is hidden by default and the first (and normally most recent) kernel is  
booted. That is "unless the system was not properly shutdown".


To always see the menu, you must change, in /etc/default/grub (with, e.g.,  
'gksu gedit /etc/default/grub'), some variables (as far as I understand  
setting GRUB_TIMEOUT to -1 would make GRUB never boot a kernel by itself) and  
run 'sudo update-grub' afterwards.


For full documentation of the options in /etc/default/grub, see:
$ info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'


Re: [Trisquel-users] Update Manager Not Working

2014-09-04 Thread sv . tony
The fixes reported on this thread work once but then you always have to do it  
that way because the Update Manager has never gone back to normal for me.


If I start the Update Manager, I get the same screen boaz was showing above.


Re: [Trisquel-users] install a full Trisquel on a USB flash drive

2014-09-04 Thread hosh
many people have been using the live-usb method for years, with distributions  
like Puppy Linux. I have not had a usb wear out or become unusable so far. I  
was thinking to try Trisquel using this method, but according to Chris, this  
is not practical, both in terms of speed and in terms of wear and tear on the  
usb drive.  Does Trisquel run entirely in RAM? If so, how much RAM does it  
use? (Trisquel is not listed in the Wikipedia page on this topic -  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions_that_run_from_RAM)


Note: with Puppy I use a Sandisk Cruzer Fit running in ext2 or 3 (I forget)  
and just leave it in my eeepc Netbook all the time, so there isn't a question  
of plugging and unplugging it all the time.  But if I want to use it in  
another computer, I can, and all my settings are saved.  For file storage I  
use Dropbox and Google Drive on the permanent disk, and go over to Windows  
once in while to sync files. If the distribution supported it better, I could  
do this without leaving Linux.  (I'm aware that I could also use one of the  
libre cloud systems and may do so in the future.)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Ruben's talk won't be available via livestream but instead recorded and uploaded.

2014-09-04 Thread shiretoko
You know, I really can understand that the upload of the video gets delayed  
for some kind of reasons, but why in the world is it so hard to drop a little  
note in this forum or in the blog or somewhere else, like "video takes  
another two weeks, sorry"??

Why is this so hard?
I have no understanding for this at all; honestly, I feel like being treated  
like an idiot.


Re: [Trisquel-users] When is proprietary software bad?

2014-09-04 Thread debianlinux

BBC Horizon 2014-2015 Episode 4: Inside the Dark Web
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTjNkbLBEqg

Terms and Conditions May Apply (pre snowden)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2084953/