Re: [Trisquel-users] An unconfigurable software is not a free software

2015-11-15 Thread jason
"Well, on the other hand, okay, let's not argue about whether a such software  
is a free software . A software without sufficient configuration is not  
respecting user's freedom anyway."


You say to not talk of it, and then immediately re-assert your argument  
again. A free program is free (and therefore respects your freedom)  
regardless of how configurable it is. Any other argument is going to be a  
non-starter, sorry.


"What's the reason that NetworkManager provides few configuration  
opportunities?"


No one has taken the time to do it? Free software isn't perfect.

Free software is sometimes uglier than proprietary software. It is sometimes  
more expensive than proprietary software. It is sometimes less functional  
than proprietary software. Free software is sometimes buggier than  
proprietary software. (Sometimes people say free software has more than our  
fair share of bugs.) But it's always going to be free. To say otherwise is  
disingenuous. To *think* otherwise is to buy in to the promise of "open  
source" which promises better quality, higher reliability, etc. but this  
isn't always the case. See:

https://mako.cc/writing/hill-when_free_software_isnt_better.html


Re: [Trisquel-users] An unconfigurable software is not a free software

2015-11-15 Thread nishihai
Well, it's beenalmost all debates finally turned out to be debating one's  
ability.


Please answer my questions, just from the technical aspects:

Why is NetworkManager interfering with Dnsmasq?

What's the reason that NetworkManager provides few configuration  
opportunities? Any difficulties?


Why should NetworkManager forcefully bundle a partial other software:  
dnsmasq-base (at least at a first place) ?


If NetworkManager is the rival of Dnsmasq, then why does NetworkManager  
contain a partial Dnsmasq? And hence, limiting Dnsmasq-base's configuration  
ability. No one could configure such Dnsmasq-base. And further limiting the  
full Dnsmasq (I just can't set self-defined DNS on my laptop via  
dnsmasq-base)



Well, on the other hand, okay, let's not argue about whether a such software  
is a free software . A software without sufficient configuration is not  
respecting user's freedom anyway. Regardless of talking a software"good" or  
not so good.


Think about *nix philosophy: Do one thing and do it well. If interfering  
other software is an unavoidable design / tech obstacle, please explain.


Re: [Trisquel-users] beagleboardblack fully free software?

2015-11-15 Thread albin
I agree with you that we should choose machines that can run in freedom. Then  
we should also not recommend anyone to install non-free stuff to make the GPU  
or something else work better afterwards. I have both a BBB and an Allwinner  
A20 myself and I'm very happy with them (since I run them in complete  
freedom). There is a lot you can do with a computer without fancy graphics.  
Depending on the use case, machines like these are perfectly acceptable I'd  
say.


Regarding the distros that can be installed on them, I believe this issue  
will be solved very soon. Besides, getting Das U-Boot + Debian by default is  
much better than EFI + Windows or OSX.


Re: [Trisquel-users] beagleboardblack fully free software?

2015-11-15 Thread gnuser
There is not single computer in the entire world that works 100% with free  
software only. Even the Thinkpad that the FSF awards, those are full of  
proprietary code running inside. The fact that the FSF considers those  
"unimportant" means little. The fact is, we have no 100% free machines at  
this point in time. We need to go with what we have and do the best we can.
These boards can actually use less proprietary code than other machines.  
Allwinner boards for example are usable with free bootloader, and have  
experimental drivers for GPU. So, yeah, maybe we should accept these as being  
"ok for the time being". For me these boards respect my freedom more than the  
laptop I have in front of me.


Re: [Trisquel-users] So, where do you guys get Content that's Non-free yet DRM-free? (not talking about Games unless there's a free engine)

2015-11-15 Thread jadedml

Civil disobedience is nonviolent resistence to laws one thinks are unjust.
Whacking someone with a stick isn't civil disobedience. Sharing a movie is.


Re: [Trisquel-users] shutdown stalls

2015-11-15 Thread blade . vp2020

its same for me
for this I use
sudo shutdown -h



Re: [Trisquel-users] So, where do you guys get Content that's Non-free yet DRM-free? (not talking about Games unless there's a free engine)

2015-11-15 Thread commodore256
I don't obey the law because the law is right nor because I'm scared of Jail,  
I do it to play their game. If they don't want to sell DRM-free, fine, I  
don't have to buy from them.


I wish there was a campaign from many very mainstream sources that used  
twitter and facebook hashtags where they got a lot of people to pledge to  
purge DRM. People like the surviving Star Trek Cast (George Takei has lots of  
followers) and other celebrities, but I don't think we should go to them, we  
might piss them off. The free software community already pissed off Wil  
Wheaton. I think we need to start small with accepting online video  
personalities with an emphasis on Free Software and DRM-free living or  
something stupid where the FSF gets PewDiePie to play games with free engines  
like Doom, Quake or Morrowind. I can see him doing his usual WTF reactions by  
swearing in Swedish when an Imp or Ogre scares the hell out of him or when a  
Dark Brotherhood Assassin kicks his butt.


The free software community needs more likeable/charming people to spread  
their influence.


Re: [Trisquel-users] So, where do you guys get Content that's Non-free yet DRM-free? (not talking about Games unless there's a free engine)

2015-11-15 Thread onpon4
> If you break the law because you think it's wrong, you have to be okay with  
other people breaking other laws based on their opinions about what's right  
or wrong.


You may find it hard to believe, but this does happen. People follow laws  
against doing things they don't consider to be unethical solely so that they  
don't get punished for breaking them; it's nothing more than a risk analysis.


Re: [Trisquel-users] So, where do you guys get Content that's Non-free yet DRM-free? (not talking about Games unless there's a free engine)

2015-11-15 Thread jason

But it's something. So I'm pointing it out.


Re: [Trisquel-users] So, where do you guys get Content that's Non-free yet DRM-free? (not talking about Games unless there's a free engine)

2015-11-15 Thread commodore256
You can only record unencrypted programming though. So most cable channels  
are a no-no. (unless you're recording analogue cable)


Re: [Trisquel-users] So, where do you guys get Content that's Non-free yet DRM-free? (not talking about Games unless there's a free engine)

2015-11-15 Thread jason
MythTV can be used to record non-free stuff from television channels.  
Commercials deleted. Converted into free formats. No DRM.


Re: [Trisquel-users] So, where do you guys get Content that's Non-free yet DRM-free? (not talking about Games unless there's a free engine)

2015-11-15 Thread onpon4
> Even better would be watching the music on youtube directly because (afaik)  
the artist gets some money. Correct me if i'm wrong.


It's probably the publisher, not the artist, and it's only if the ads are  
actually seen, which requires YouTube's proprietary JavaScript code.


[Trisquel-users] Antwort: So, where do you guys get Content that's Non-free yet DRM-free? (not talking about Games unless there's a free engine)

2015-11-15 Thread shiretoko

jamendo.com
archive.org

Amazon.com is bad for many reasons, but they _do_ have drm free music for  
more or less reasonable prices.
I'm not using it myself, but i heard that you can pay and download without  
using non-free software (very likely non-free javascript, however).


Besides, at least in my country it's legal to download videos from youtube  
using youtube-dl.

Afterwards you can convert the song into any format you like.
Even better would be watching the music on youtube directly because (afaik)  
the artist gets some money. Correct me if i'm wrong.


I encourage you not to break the law and i consider it wrong to do so.
I'm glad that not everybody makes his own law based on whatever ideas he has  
in his crazy head, and i don't see any reason why we should be an exception.
If you break the law because you think it's wrong, you have to be okay with  
other people breaking other laws based on their opinions about what's right  
or wrong.

Think twice.


Re: [Trisquel-users] So, where do you guys get Content that's Non-free yet DRM-free? (not talking about Games unless there's a free engine)

2015-11-15 Thread greatgnu

bittorrent is the word. Sharing is mandatory :)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Not enough space in /boot to update Trisquel

2015-11-15 Thread greatgnu
biosprob: next time you reinstall the OS follow the instructions on screen  
and use the simple partitioning scheme of root(/) say 20 gb, swap teh double  
of your RAM and all the rest /home.


cheers


Re: [Trisquel-users] shutdown stalls

2015-11-15 Thread greatgnu
I have no idea what can you do to prevent the issue. I can recommend a way to  
shut it down without forcing a cold-reboot/sutdown which is not good for your  
hardware.

ctrl + alt + f1 and enter:
sudo shutdown -h now  (to shut your lappy down)
sudo shutdown -r now

sudo init 0 and sudo init 6 will do the same.
There are also sudo halt and sudo reboot.

cheers


Re: [Trisquel-users] Vulnerability in the linux kernel... when 7.0.1?

2015-11-15 Thread greatgnu

^ lol Onpon
I didn't even read that part :)


Re: [Trisquel-users] beagleboardblack fully free software?

2015-11-15 Thread lloyd
You can use freedombox on it without using the GPU. Because of this, it is  
possible to use this device in 100% freedom.


The hardware itself, however, is unlikely to get FSF approval, because of the  
non-free GPU. Also, the fact that it comes with the non-free Debian repos  
enabled by default, which is bad.


I'd like them to make a GPU-less version of this, for applications like  
freedombox and other headless servers. Alternatively, they could release GPU  
drivers as free software. That would be the best option.


Re: [Trisquel-users] So, where do you guys get Content that's Non-free yet DRM-free? (not talking about Games unless there's a free engine)

2015-11-15 Thread commodore256
We're talking about paying for non-free content that's DRM-free and  
compatible with a 100% free software stack. (minus wine for extracting asset  
files that works in free engines) We're not talking about piracy.


Re: [Trisquel-users] beagleboardblack fully free software?

2015-11-15 Thread svhaab
If freedombox is on it it does not use the gpu? Then you can have a  
freedombox and only free software?
What is performance compared to raspberry pi 2? Freedombox spoke about a  
64bit version around the corner.


[Trisquel-users] So, where do you guys get Content that's Non-free yet DRM-free? (not talking about Games unless there's a free engine)

2015-11-15 Thread commodore256

All I know of is...

Gog: They have games that are compatible with free engines and  
reimplementations of free engines. They also have DRM-free documentaries.


Humble Book Bundle: They have two book bundles right now, Peanuts and Make.

Comixology: They have a selection of DRM-free Comics, but they make it really  
inconvenient to filter out DRM's comics and even the URL I have that says it  
DRM-free is still missing DRM-free Comics. Most (if not all) Archie Comics  
along with the Walking Dead are DRM-free and you can which one is DRM-free by  
the download icon in the store page of the Comic.  
https://www.comixology.com/DRM-Free-Comics/page/2794


Anybody that sells MP3s: The late Steve Jobs did at least one thing we all  
can admire, he used his Conman powers for good instead of evil. He made all  
of the big music publisher agree to a change in the terms of the contract  
making the EULA more restrictive making it allowed to run on fewer devices of  
which the money hoarders in the suits loves, but they didn't read the the  
part that says "all music will be DRM-free" so the EULA didn't matter. Too  
bad his trick didn't work a second time with Movies :(


Re: [Trisquel-users] So, where do you guys get Content that's Non-free yet DRM-free? (not talking about Games unless there's a free engine)

2015-11-15 Thread onpon4
There are lots of people who share even though it's illegal. So that's one  
possible source, although you often have to contend with low-quality copies.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Not enough space in /boot to update Trisquel

2015-11-15 Thread andere
My current schema is as a result of being a newbie and not knowing what /boot  
or swap etc were. I actually accidentally overwrote my win7 partition as  
well, in the process. Which, oddly enough, forced me to go entirely free  
software and it has allowed me to realise that I didn't need anything else.  
(This will change in the future as my work will require me to use ARCgis and  
other esri products).


As for using a livedisk - that's not an option. See this issue here -  
https://trisquel.info/en/issues/15751.


I've since managed to uninstall older kernels and have updated my system.

Thanks everyone for your suggestions.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Not enough space in /boot to update Trisquel

2015-11-15 Thread andere
Actually, as a newbie, I tried to install Trisquel alongside Windows 7 and  
accidentally overwrote my win7 partition, and then as I didn't know what  
/boot, swap etc all were I just tinkered with it until it worked. I figured  
if it didn't work, I'd just try again. I don't even recall what the default  
partition schema was.


As for using a livedisk to repartition things - that's not an option. See  
this issue here - https://trisquel.info/en/issues/15751.


Re: [Trisquel-users] External Graphics card for Laptop

2015-11-15 Thread commodore256

It may not be doable and even if it is, it's probably not worth doing.

Why it may not be doable: Few new Laptops have an Express Card to rig an  
Adaptor and hackery with the Mini Pcie Slot that the Wifi Card uses is  
whitelisted thanks to the infinite wisdom of the FCC.


Why it may not be worth doing: Older laptops that don't have the Whitelist or  
are Core/Libre Boot compatible have older CPUs that bottleneck the GPU, The  
GPU is bottlenecked by PCIe x1 anyway, even if you still want to do it and  
have a non-free Bios, you'll have to go through the trouble of ripping your  
Bios and then looking for a whitelist flag in that binary blob and turn it  
off and then flash it. You're also making your system less portable though it  
would be nice for laptops that have M.2 where you could rig that into a GPU  
Dock for gaming at home. (Preferably games with free engines :D)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Vulnerability in the linux kernel... when 7.0.1?

2015-11-15 Thread onpon4

> With such rare update frequency,
head Trisquel developers might simply forget how to build a Trisquel ISO

What an astonishingly low opinion of the Trisquel developers' memory  
capacity...


Re: [Trisquel-users] Mounting HDD or DVD in both Thunar and PCmanFM: "Not authorized to perform operation"

2015-11-15 Thread mcz

me as a user in the proper groups seems to be OK.

I found a command to list what's on on startup.
I'll try to find those that are stopped/waiting,
and appear to be related to the issue.

$ initctl list
avahi-cups-reload stop/waiting
avahi-daemon start/running, process 798
mountall-net stop/waiting
mountnfs-bootclean.sh start/running
passwd stop/waiting
rc stop/waiting
rsyslog start/running, process 724
startpar-bridge stop/waiting
tty4 start/running, process 827
udev start/running, process 371
upstart-udev-bridge start/running, process 362
ureadahead-other stop/waiting
console-setup stop/waiting
hwclock-save stop/waiting
idmapd-mounting stop/waiting
plymouth-log stop/waiting
rpcbind-boot stop/waiting
systemd-logind start/running, process 788
tty5 start/running, process 828
failsafe stop/waiting
mountall.sh start/running
rfkill-store stop/waiting
statd start/running, process 692
dbus start/running, process 613
mounted-var stop/waiting
plymouth-shutdown stop/waiting
plymouth stop/waiting
resolvconf start/running
udev-fallback-graphics stop/waiting
autofs start/running, process 976
checkroot.sh start/running
control-alt-delete stop/waiting
hwclock stop/waiting
mounted-proc stop/waiting
cups-browsed start/running, process 950
setvtrgb stop/waiting
shutdown stop/waiting
statd-mounting stop/waiting
cron start/running, process 972
mountall stop/waiting
mounted-debugfs stop/waiting
mountkernfs.sh start/running
rpcbind start/running, process 614
binfmt-support start/running
console stop/waiting
mounted-run stop/waiting
checkfs.sh start/running
checkroot-bootclean.sh start/running
kmod stop/waiting
mountnfs.sh start/running
plymouth-stop stop/waiting
rcS stop/waiting
wait-for-state stop/waiting
bootmisc.sh start/running
flush-early-job-log stop/waiting
gssd-mounting stop/waiting
rc-sysinit stop/waiting
cups start/running, process 1731
pulseaudio stop/waiting
upstart-socket-bridge start/running, process 664
cryptdisks start/running
mountdevsubfs.sh start/running
tty2 start/running, process 833
udevtrigger stop/waiting
upstart-file-bridge start/running, process 661
container-detect stop/waiting
mounted-dev stop/waiting
mtab.sh start/running
tty3 start/running, process 834
udev-finish stop/waiting
cryptdisks-udev stop/waiting
hostname stop/waiting
mountall-reboot stop/waiting
gssd stop/waiting
mountall-shell stop/waiting
mounted-tmp stop/waiting
network-interface (tun0) start/running
network-interface (lo) start/running
network-interface (eth0) start/running
network-interface (wlan0) start/running
plymouth-ready stop/waiting
plymouth-splash stop/waiting
plymouth-upstart-bridge stop/waiting
portmap-wait stop/waiting
tty1 start/running, process 1013
udevmonitor stop/waiting
dmesg stop/waiting
mountall-bootclean.sh start/running
network-interface-security (network-interface/tun0) start/running
network-interface-security (network-interface/eth0) start/running
network-interface-security (network-interface/wlan0) start/running
network-interface-security (network-interface/lo) start/running
network-interface-security (networking) start/running
networking start/running
procps stop/waiting
rfkill-restore stop/waiting
tty6 start/running, process 836
console-font stop/waiting
idmapd start/running, process 615
network-interface-container stop/waiting
ureadahead stop/waiting



[Trisquel-users] shutdown stalls

2015-11-15 Thread freeworld4
Sometimes when I shutdown not because of apps not wanting to close this is  
when you get the shutdown screen that looks like the bootup screen same  
artwork. So the problem is sometimes it stalls and doesn't turn of or  
restart. What do I need to do to fix the issue?


Re: [Trisquel-users] beagleboardblack fully free software?

2015-11-15 Thread albin
I might add that the BBB normally comes with Debian GNU/Linux with non-free  
repositories enabled by default (for no apparent reason).


Re: [Trisquel-users] Mounting HDD or DVD in both Thunar and PCmanFM: "Not authorized to perform operation"

2015-11-15 Thread mcz

I tried the dconf-editor (all was checked),

here's my dmesg log (the end of it, about usb):

[30534.232069] usb 2-2: new high-speed USB device number 2 using ehci-pci
[30534.369618] usb 2-2: New USB device found, idVendor=05dc, idProduct=a838
[30534.369630] usb 2-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2,  
SerialNumber=3

[30534.369637] usb 2-2: Product: USB Flash Drive
[30534.369644] usb 2-2: Manufacturer: a brand
[30534.369650] usb 2-2: SerialNumber: a serial number
[30534.440207] usb-storage 2-2:1.0: USB Mass Storage device detected
[30534.440283] scsi4 : usb-storage 2-2:1.0
[30534.440359] usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage
[30535.583438] scsi 4:0:0:0: Direct-Access the brandUSB Flash Drive   
1100 PQ: 0 ANSI: 6

[30535.584130] sd 4:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg1 type 0
[30535.585632] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] 15634432 512-byte logical blocks: (8.00  
GB/7.45 GiB)

[30535.589450] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
[30535.589455] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 43 00 00 00
[30535.590498] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled,  
doesn't support DPO or FUA

[30535.596646]  sdb: sdb1
[30535.600373] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk

Nothing seems problematic.

I nearly tried eveything here.
I just want to dig in more about privileges and groups, and about what's  
autostarted on boot (how to monitor that first).


Re: [Trisquel-users] Vulnerability in the linux kernel... when 7.0.1?

2015-11-15 Thread greatgnu

> it has not been updated for 1.5 years already

Trisquel 7 was released on 11/03/2014




Re: [Trisquel-users] An unconfigurable software is not a free software

2015-11-15 Thread mcz
So it can be free software and be of "bad" quality, and even malicious (until  
detected) after all.
Funny, I too had some of those assumptions about free software, even though  
now that I think about it, it's pretty obvious.


network-manager (which I couldn't install in my netinstall btw) for example  
seems to be good for GNOME, and for basic setups. I suspect that it  
didn'thelp when I tried to modify the /etc/network/interfaces file to create  
a bridge, which would then be considered advanced usage.


But it's a bit like saying you can't do image manipulation in Word as much as  
in Photoshop, taking proprietary examples.

It's not limiting your freedom, it's what it's designed to do.


Re: [Trisquel-users] I am buying Lemote Yeeloong 8101B laptop

2015-11-15 Thread jason

The newer models aren't as free, sorry.


Re: [Trisquel-users] beagleboardblack fully free software?

2015-11-15 Thread radiowavers

Shortened quote from FSF website:
"The BeagleBoard (various versions) uses the TI OMAP family of SoCs...  The  
graphics accelerator (GPU) and the video decoding hardware for formats such  
as MPEG-2 are nonfunctional, because they require nonfree blobs to be  
installed into them. The workaround for these flaws is to do these jobs on  
the CPU with free software."
So, maybe a BeagleBoard Black could potentially get a FSF approval, e.g. if  
these jobs will be transferred to CPU by default, but this could greatly  
decrease a performance of this already-not-so-fast board


Re: [Trisquel-users] Vulnerability in the linux kernel... when 7.0.1?

2015-11-15 Thread radiowavers
In any case, I think it is a perfect time to release a new version of  
Trisquel ISO,
because it has not been updated for 1.5 years already... With such rare  
update frequency,
head Trisquel developers might simply forget how to build a Trisquel ISO when  
such need arises in future


Re: [Trisquel-users] I am buying Lemote Yeeloong 8101B laptop

2015-11-15 Thread radiowavers
From time to time I see this laptop selling at AliExpress for $100 (shipping  
is included to this price).
But its' hardware is so old... Better wait for the new version of this  
laptop, with new architecture


Re: [Trisquel-users] An unconfigurable software is not a free software

2015-11-15 Thread t8mf4nu6lizp

You have the control. Software freedom is defined by the 4 things

*you can use for any purpose
*you can copy
*you can modify
*you can copy modified

If you have constructive criticism, file a bug. Upstream if you want  
something to actually happen.


[Trisquel-users] beagleboardblack fully free software?

2015-11-15 Thread svhaab
I had an freedombox irc chat. Freedombox claimed, that the beagleboard black  
is all free software and that it could get fsf approval.
Is that correct? 


Re: [Trisquel-users] An unconfigurable software is not a free software

2015-11-15 Thread jason
"I just need control of my piece of the software on top of my laptop. This is  
the issue of violating the user freedom."


Sorry, but you do have that already. Even if it's an absolutely horrible  
piece of *@(%^ it remains a free program. It's all covered in that article  
that a free program is still free regardless of how good it is.


Re: [Trisquel-users] An unconfigurable software is not a free software

2015-11-15 Thread nishihai

Continued...


Many thanks for jxself's offering, being resourceful.

However, I don't think "lacking configuration opportunities is a sort of  
software imperfection". Sorry, I wasn't meant to cry for some kinds of  
functions of the software. I just need control of my piece of the software on  
top of my laptop. This is the issue of violating the user freedom.


Though some users may say what they want is just simplicity, those  
self-claimed respect-user-freedom software should open its doors for fine  
tuning. Don't take for granted that only professionals need to tweak.


A developer whose software never teach their users the way to configure the  
software, is not a freedom -driven developer and designer.


Cheers
Thanks for reading


Re: [Trisquel-users] An unconfigurable software is not a free software

2015-11-15 Thread nishihai
Great ! Let's Concretize the issue. I see the focus is on _whether the  
behaviors of NetworkManager are just imperfect or confining user's choices _?


Before debating these questions should be answered (preferably by the authors  
of NetworkManager):


Why is   NetworkManager interfering with Dnsmasq?

What's the reason that NetworkManager provides few configuration  
opportunities? Any difficulties?


Why should NetworkManager forcefully bundle a partial other software:  
dnsmasq-base (at least at a first place) ?


If NetworkManager is the rival of Dnsmasq, then why does NetworkManager  
contain a partial Dnsmasq? And hence, limiting Dnsmasq-base's configuration  
ability. No one could configure such Dnsmasq-base. And further limiting the  
full Dnsmasq (I just can't set self-defined DNS on my laptop via  
dnsmasq-base)


No body found it weird?:-(


Re: [Trisquel-users] "Johnny Carson flashes" are frustrating problem analyses

2015-11-15 Thread andrew
But meddle with the Trisquel boot process rather than running services AT  
YOUR OWN RISK.


Re: [Trisquel-users] "Johnny Carson flashes" are frustrating problem analyses

2015-11-15 Thread andrew

DDG: 'Where are the ubuntu boot messages

https://askubuntu.com/questions/91286/how-to-see-log-to-find-a-boot-problem

DDG: 'Where are the ubuntu shutdown messages

https://askubuntu.com/questions/58625/where-is-the-shutdown-log

And

man service

e.g.

sudo service --status-all

Should be what you need for your problem rather than what you're asking for.



[Trisquel-users] Re : update manager changelog

2015-11-15 Thread mtsio
Yes, I can do that but "Software Updater" a.k.a update-manager has a
changes tab that supposed to do this thing, but it says "Failed to
download the list of changes.
Please check your Internet connection." although my connection is OK.


lc...@dcc.ufmg.br:
> I do not quite understand what you are trying to do. Just read
> /usr/share/doc/abrowser/changelog.Debian.gz (e.g., with the 'less'
> command)?
> 





Re: [Trisquel-users] Vulnerability in the linux kernel... when 7.0.1?

2015-11-15 Thread mcz
Not that I'm worried or anything (my line on italian language above is not to  
be taken seriously), specially if my analysis is correct: I just find this  
interesting. But since it's already fixed, it's even better.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Vulnerability in the linux kernel... when 7.0.1?

2015-11-15 Thread onpon4
There's really no need to analyze the danger of it. It's fixed. Trisquel is  
up-to-date. (This was already the case when this topic was started.)


Re: [Trisquel-users] An unconfigurable software is not a free software

2015-11-15 Thread onpon4
"Unconfigurable"? I beg to differ! You can configure any libre program to the  
greatest extent by modifying the source code. Is that convenient? Possibly  
not. But the program is not designed in a way that restricts you from doing  
whatever you like with it.


> It limits the use for end users. Don't tell me that I can modify the source  
code or something. The majority of users don't have the ability to manage the  
C language. Right?


You know, a lot of users don't even understand how to use programs. Heck, RMS  
himself has no idea whatsoever how to install any GNU/Linux system, and  
always has someone else do it for him. That doesn't mean that the various  
installers like Ubiquity are non-libre! It just means that not everyone knows  
how to do every job.


Additionally, your reasoning here goes down a huge slippery slope. If any  
lack of configurability renders a program non-libre, then every program that  
has ever existed can be said to be "non-libre". Why? Because there are always  
certain things that are hard-coded and can't be changed without editing the  
source code. There is no way around this; it's completely impractical to make  
everything configurable without editing the source code. I'll give a few  
examples from programs I've worked on:


- ReTux doesn't give you the option to play with 10 health, have a jump  
height of 50 tiles, run over 9000 miles per hour, choose the transition  
effects between rooms...
- Project: Starfighter doesn't give you the option to choose your shield  
amount, shoot 10 bullets at once, change shop prices...
- Pacewar doesn't give you the option to play with hundreds of ships, choose  
how the nebula layers are positioned, play with an invincible ship...
- Naev doesn't give you the option to hire mercenaries to help you, customize  
most text, add new missions...


Re: [Trisquel-users] Vulnerability in the linux kernel... when 7.0.1?

2015-11-15 Thread mcz

I see, thanks.

Wait, is that a vulnerability that allows an attacker on KVM ON THE SAME  
MACHINE to launch a DOS attack?
That would be troublesome IF the machine is stolen, and encrypted of course.  
If not encrypted, attacking from KVM or not doesn't matter much.


That might be another quick conclusion from me, but from what I gather, it's  
more like a bug than a vulnerability.
I guess there might be a way to implement such an attack against a fresh  
install, but regarding the necessary and unlikely conditions for the attack  
to happen, this can't seriously be considered a threat.


Re: [Trisquel-users] An unconfigurable software is not a free software

2015-11-15 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
For one thing I have to agree, NetworkManager is troublesome if one
wants advanced setups while keeping the base packages untouched.
However, it's still free software, and if you continue reading, I'm sure
you'll understand what I'm talking about.

Anyway, to give you an idea, when I switched to Wicd, since it just uses
ifconfig and such tools, I had the easiest time of my life when
configuring IPTables to restore the rules I wrote for it everytime the
system would start. :D

However, it's still free software, because everyone receives the four
essential software freedoms IN THE SOURCE CODE (this is why developers
AREN'T obligated to provide compiled code for download). HOWEVER, people
aren't obligated to use ALL the freedoms, because these freedoms fit
best for each purpose, and everyone has different levels of interaction
with computers.

I have seen such "Non-customizable software at run level isn't free
software" statements quite frequently lately, along with ones like:

* "If it's not focused on security, it's non-free software".

* "If a free software supporter or activist doesn't study and compile
software from source, then he isn't a free software supporter or
activist, or he is not eligible to be talking about such subject".

* "If the software tries to do a lot of things, and not just only one,
then it's non-free software". (I can put anti-PulseAudio and
anti-SystemD as similar arguments here). This is a modularity issue, not
a software freedom issue.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Not enough space in /boot to update Trisquel

2015-11-15 Thread t8mf4nu6lizp

update-grub2 is exactly the same as update-grub and it's not needed here.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Not enough space in /boot to update Trisquel

2015-11-15 Thread svhaab

open command line
uname -r
copy from left to the dash. it should be 3 groups of numbers.
open synaptic package manager
paste in search
mark complete removal all installed kernels that have a lower number than the  
number to the right from uname -r

apply in synaptic package manager
close synaptic package manager
in command line
sudo update-grub2