Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 82, Issue 8

2011-05-18 Thread albertosantosfranco
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I AM DOING LEVEL V 1B I GOT MANNY WHINS TROM REALY WHORKS
I FEEL FREE FROM COMPULSIVE PLAYNG AND I START TO AUDIT CCH AND  
DIANETICS AS ENTRY POIT TO PRESENT TROM. I AM VERY HAPY AN ON WHINS
I SHARE MY WHINS SO MOTIVATE OTHERS









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 Today's Topics:

1. Saving the planet (Pete McLaughlin)
2. (no subject) (peter schanz)
3. Definition of Importance (Leo Faulhaber)


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 Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 08:57:36 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Pete McLaughlin pete_mclaughlin_93...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [TROM1] Saving the planet
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 HI Colleen
 ?You asked if people on level 5 feel some desire to save others.
 I agree with your observations that others are unwilling to let go  
 of their compulsive games playing.? My observations of my own and  
 others compulsive games play is that no one wants to let go of their  
 compulsive games play.? In addition i find that there is an balance  
 in games play where for every compulsive victim in games there are  
 compulsive malefactors to take the opposing role in their game.  
 Victims seek malefactors and malefactors seek victims.? They each  
 need the other to satisfy their compulsion to play their separate  
 roles in their games.
 My personal feeling at this time is that saving the planet is not  
 a game i would like to pursue.? The people on this planet are  
 playing their current games as the solution to the last games they  
 lost and will resent anyone taking away the game they are playing.

 As a general rule if you take away the current game people are  
 playing at the will adopt a new game of getting you.
 If you wish to help others remember the first rule for superheros  
 is: Do not try to save others from their folly until they are aware  
 they are in trouble.

 The exception to the above is that i talk to my wife and children  
 about the games they are playing and even poke fun at them when they  
 try to get me to take a role in one of their games.? However, I  
 grant them the beingness that they do not have to stop playing the  
 game just because I say so, and I take no offense when they mock my  
 words or point out my own compulsive games play(that's hard to do at  
 times).

 The most i am willing to do for the planet is to make the TROM  
 materials available, be a good example to others and use my  
 knowledge to help my wife deal with her games play.
 This seems to be working.

 Keep on TROMing

 Pete

 --- On Sun, 5/15/11, Colleen Peltomaa cygnifi...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Colleen Peltomaa cygnifi...@gmail.com
 Subject: [TROM1] RE Level 5 Completions
 To: trom@lists.newciv.org
 Date: Sunday, May 15, 2011, 9:49 PM

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 Hello Andre,

 I expect Pete and Slim to complete.? If anyone else has completed  
 they are not here to answer you? :-)

 The good news is that three new people started late last year and  
 are continuing.? No, make that four new people? :-)? All four of us  
 are hovering around Level 3, and one of us may be doing some Level  
 4, and he also has the greatest understanding of the Postulate  
 Failure chart.? He also delivers very very thorough CCHs, not the  
 way the Church of Scn. does it.


 Timebreaking really works when I do it correctly and consistently.?  
 Then I seem to get falsely lulled into a sense of peace and  
 tranquility and stop doing any processing, etc., happy to engage  
 with the environment.? Then someone says boo to me the wrong way  
 and I have to force myself to open the TROM manual and sit down and  
 have some formal sessions, making new resolves to not let myself get  
 blind-sided like that again.


 The good news is that there are some moments when I can put myself  
 into a state of total calm, as Dennis says happened with him.?

 Also, I started to notice flickers of an exterior to the body  
 viewpoint.? For example, I can sometimes visualize running the body  
 by placing my viewpoint at the back of the body.? This only works so  
 far with gross motor functions, such as digging, raking, hauling,  
 etc..?


 But I am also still getting through the second run of the CCHs, 

Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 82, Issue 8

2011-05-18 Thread Pete McLaughlin
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HI Alberto
  These are excellent wins.
Keep on TROMing

Pete

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From: albertosantosfra...@sapo.pt albertosantosfra...@sapo.pt
Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 82, Issue 8
To: trom@lists.newciv.org
Date: Wednesday, May 18, 2011, 3:16 AM

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I AM DOING LEVEL V 1B I GOT MANNY WHINS TROM REALY WHORKS
I FEEL FREE FROM COMPULSIVE PLAYNG AND I START TO AUDIT CCH AND  
DIANETICS AS ENTRY POIT TO PRESENT TROM. I AM VERY HAPY AN ON WHINS
I SHARE MY WHINS SO MOTIVATE OTHERS






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Re: [TROM1] Definition of Importance

2011-05-18 Thread Aarre Peltomaa
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Hi Leo,  May 17/'11

Sounds good to me from my limited understanding.  I guess the pragmatic
approach is that the definition is correct for you or anyone else if it
works for you in your sessions;  does it work for you ok?
Hindrance of knowingness or enforcement of un-knowingness has enforcement of
knowingness at it's base, doesn't it?  If you want to look at a painting,
and I put a cover over the painting, am I not forcing you to know me as a
being that is covering the painting from you?  I'm creating an effect for
you to know, am I not?

Thanks,
Aarre Peltomaa
peltomaa.aa...@gmail.com
(647) 202-7267

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 6:24 AM, Leo Faulhaber leo.faulha...@gmail.comwrote:

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 Hello everyone

 I  seem to have some difficulty with Dennis' definition of importance which
 is Enforcement of knowingness. For me importance is also Hindrance of
 knowigness or Enforcement of not-knowingness.

 So I made up the following definition of importance for myself which is a
 more or less strong conviction that someone or something should be or not be
 something, do or not do something, have or not have something, know or not
 know something, experience or not experience something.

 What do you think about this?

 Best wishes

 Leo Faulhaber


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