RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question
There are sins of commission, and sins of omission. Failing to care for another as yourself is a sin of omission. Nature does not take it's course. God put you here and it should be God who decides when to take you out. He will take you when He is ready, tube or no tube. When you make that decision, you usurp His authority. You play God. When you start considering how unfair it would be to spend your life caring for someone who will never be able to thank you or even acknowledge your presence, you are dwelling on self. Self is not what it is all about. When you do itfor the least of His, you do itforHim. Think about those things. Terry ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, September 19, 2003 21:04:44 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Terry, I am not talking about âsnuffingâ anyone. Iâm talking about ceasing from medical intervention to keep them alive, and letting nature take its course. Quite the opposite of âsnuffing outâ. Izzy -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Friday, September 19, 2003 6:11 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Then I take it that your conscience would not bother you if you snuffed your hubby a day too early? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 4:35 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Terry, You can only make decisions upon the information you have available today. Canât look back tomorrow. Besides that, new medical developments take years of RD, and nothing just pops up unexpectedly overnight. Izzy -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Friday, September 19, 2003 3:59 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Just something to muddy the thought process. What if you pull the plug on your patient today, and tomorrow they find the cure that was never available before? Could happen. Terry ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, September 19, 2003 10:00:19 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question In a message dated 9/19/2003 9:51:21 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But you state that, ââ¬ÅI also believe that her fate is in God's hands and he should not tamper with that.ââ¬Â By forcing medical treatment upon her, you could certainly say that people are ââ¬Åtamperingââ¬Â. You may be right. I am still thinking it through. I really haven't come to a conclusion. Laura IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question
Terry, It seems to me that the selfish thing to do is to cling to someone by interfering in postponing their death at their own expense. (In certain situations.) Ive probably taken care of more ill people than you have, and I know what that means, and that is not the issue. Playing God can work both ways. I dont think we should judge people who want to stop that game. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 7:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question There are sins of commission, and sins of omission. Failing to care for another as yourself is a sin of omission. Nature does not take it's course. God put you here and it should be God who decides when to take you out. He will take you when He is ready, tube or no tube. When you make that decision, you usurp His authority. You play God. When you start considering how unfair it would be to spend your life caring for someone who will never be able to thank you or even acknowledge your presence, you are dwelling on self. Self is not what it is all about. When you do itfor the least of His, you do itforHim. Think about those things. Terry ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, September 19, 2003 21:04:44 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Terry, I am not talking about snuffing anyone. Im talking about ceasing from medical intervention to keep them alive, and letting nature take its course. Quite the opposite of snuffing out. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 6:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Then I take it that your conscience would not bother you if you snuffed your hubby a day too early? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 4:35 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Terry, You can only make decisions upon the information you have available today. Cant look back tomorrow. Besides that, new medical developments take years of RD, and nothing just pops up unexpectedly overnight. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 3:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Just something to muddy the thought process. What if you pull the plug on your patient today, and tomorrow they find the cure that was never available before? Could happen. Terry ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, September 19, 2003 10:00:19 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question In a message dated 9/19/2003 9:51:21 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But you state that, I also believe that her fate is in God's hands and he should not tamper with that. By forcing medical treatment upon her, you could certainly say that people are tampering. You may be right. I am still thinking it through. I really haven't come to a conclusion. Laura IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here image001.gif
Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question
Discernment Izzy, Discernment. Terry - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 8:34 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Terry, It seems to me that the selfish thing to do is to cling to someone by interfering in postponing their death at their own expense. (In certain situations.) Ive probably taken care of more ill people than you have, and I know what that means, and that is not the issue. Playing God can work both ways. I dont think we should judge people who want to stop that game. Izzy -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 7:06 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question There are sins of commission, and sins of omission. Failing to care for another as yourself is a sin of omission. Nature does not take it's course. God put you here and it should be God who decides when to take you out. He will take you when He is ready, tube or no tube. When you make that decision, you usurp His authority. You play God. When you start considering how unfair it would be to spend your life caring for someone who will never be able to thank you or even acknowledge your presence, you are dwelling on self. Self is not what it is all about. When you do itfor the least of His, you do itforHim. Think about those things. Terry ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, September 19, 2003 21:04:44 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Terry, I am not talking about snuffing anyone. Im talking about ceasing from medical intervention to keep them alive, and letting nature take its course. Quite the opposite of snuffing out. Izzy -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Friday, September 19, 2003 6:11 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Then I take it that your conscience would not bother you if you snuffed your hubby a day too early? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 4:35 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Terry, You can only make decisions upon the information you have available today. Cant look back tomorrow. Besides that, new medical developments take years of RD, and nothing just pops up unexpectedly overnight. Izzy -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Friday, September 19, 2003 3:59 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Just something to muddy the thought process. What if you pull the plug on your patient today, and tomorrow they find the cure that was never available before? Could happen. Terry ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, September 19, 2003 10:00:19 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question In a message dated 9/19/2003 9:51:21 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But you state that, I also believe that her fate is in God's hands and he should not tamper with that. By forcing medical
Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalkin' 'bout Torah walkin'
First of all, halacha means "The Walk." Secondly I find it interesting that this is the first email that I have received from you since my departure. Your accusation that I owe you money for a long distance phone bill is atrocious. It is a lie, making you one of those liars you spoke of when you quoted Revelation 21. "Judge not..." is what Judy quoted to you. I know you understand the context of that verse; therefore, you should be worried. You are judging me for being a liar and a thief, but you area liar and the thief. You are pietistic, angry, and deceived. For those interested, call MCI and ask them for the balance due on 870-248-0711. It was in Slade Henson's name at the address of 89 Homeplace Trail, Pocahontas, AR 72455. It was in place from the beginning of June to the beginning of July. It was a long distance plan for free long distance after 7 PM for $17.95 per month. For those who are truly curious and want to call, I give you permission to say you are "Slade Henson" in order to "make sure I paid the full balance." I find your lack of compassion and your demand for sustenance amazing. Torah speaks of reimbursement as well. However, since you have been CUT OFF (financially and spiritually) from the congregation called Little Children of Jesus Christ and your commission as "pastor" terminated by the elders, you have been making demands on me. I am actually surprised to see it continue. You are incredibly greedy... or just worried, perhaps. After all, it can be frightening not to know if money will be coming in to pay your gasoline and your utilities. I fear for your eternal considerations and I pray for your repentance. Be a harsh judge and a harsh demander and you will receive the same reward in the afterlife, wherever you end up. (Remember the "judge not" bit from Judy?) Hypocrisy? Perhaps you forgot about Matthew 18? Why didn't you come to me, or do you think it's OK because you did this under the guise of "anonymity" by not naming me?Many on the list know you and I were near for a while... therefore you did not do this under anonymity. This is hypocrisy, especially since you criticized Tim Winkley for not properly following Matthew 18. Hypocrisy? You have taught against eating anything Biblically unclean and criticize the Koshering labels... claiming that many labels allow pork-based Vitamin D-3. However, you hide behind the "box-KO" kosher label to consume decomposing crustaceans in your multivitamin. The "box-KO" label is one of the more LIBERAL labels. This is Hypocrisy. Hypocrisy? Chris is the foremost "authority" (that I know of, at least) on the concept that the 2nd Commandment denies us access to ALL images whatsoever. He refused to be interviewed by my wife and her friend Suzanne Shell for a documentary; however, he allowed himself and a friend of his to be interviewed for a Christian TV program. Have you taken a look at his email tagline \o/ !HALALUYah! \o/? Hands raised high -- even in praise -- is an image. Hypocrisy? You accused me of tale-bearing on 07/14/2003 when you said, "Simply put, that is talebearing. You also bore false witness against this brother. Indeed, Slade is a liar, too." You also denied being a tale bearer when you said, "I deny because it is truthful to do so." However... let me give you a few quotes to prove your hypocrisy (and to boot, your gossip wasn't all that accurate)... Dated 01/27/2003: Kay was for all intents and purposes A WHORE ... had one child out of wedlock ... married another man who was adrug using, drug selling, womanizer and child molester. Remained faithful to him through wife-beatings until he repeatedly cheated on her (including with a child for which he was convicted). Divorced him and eventually met Slade sometime thereafter. Slade was for all intents and purposes A WHOREMONGER. He was one of the main writers for TSR, producers of "Dungeons and Dragons". It is a great regret of his to this day that some of his works are still out there and he can't do anything about it. Dated 06/30/2003: Thanks for the input. We'll see if YHVH brings it forth ... we certainly can't do it of our own accord (I know, I know, that's a Honda). By the way, do me a favor? DO NOT mention it to the Hensons. They have owed us more than a hundred dollars for months and are pitching a fit over it. If they think we may be getting that Toyota they may just NEVER pay that back thinking (WRONGFULLY and WICKEDLY) that we don't need it anyway. Well, today is the 30th. It'll be interesting to see what comes forth this New Moon day! Thief? You bought bibles using Little Children of Jesus Christ (LCOJC) funds but kept the profits yourself (you told me this yourself.) You are a thief of the tithes of believers. That makes you a thief of God's own funds. Do you think He will forget? Perhaps this is why your funds are depleting, you are
RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question
Terry, Why is it that whenever we have differing opinions, that you decide that I am the one with no discernment? Could it ever be you? Just wondering..J Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 12:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Discernment Izzy, Discernment. Terry - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 8:34 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Terry, It seems to me that the selfish thing to do is to cling to someone by interfering in postponing their death at their own expense. (In certain situations.) Ive probably taken care of more ill people than you have, and I know what that means, and that is not the issue. Playing God can work both ways. I dont think we should judge people who want to stop that game. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 7:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question There are sins of commission, and sins of omission. Failing to care for another as yourself is a sin of omission. Nature does not take it's course. God put you here and it should be God who decides when to take you out. He will take you when He is ready, tube or no tube. When you make that decision, you usurp His authority. You play God. When you start considering how unfair it would be to spend your life caring for someone who will never be able to thank you or even acknowledge your presence, you are dwelling on self. Self is not what it is all about. When you do itfor the least of His, you do itforHim. Think about those things. Terry ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, September 19, 2003 21:04:44 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Terry, I am not talking about snuffing anyone. Im talking about ceasing from medical intervention to keep them alive, and letting nature take its course. Quite the opposite of snuffing out. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 6:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Then I take it that your conscience would not bother you if you snuffed your hubby a day too early? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 4:35 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Terry, You can only make decisions upon the information you have available today. Cant look back tomorrow. Besides that, new medical developments take years of RD, and nothing just pops up unexpectedly overnight. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 3:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Just something to muddy the thought process. What if you pull the plug on your patient today, and tomorrow they find the cure that was never available before? Could happen. Terry ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, September 19, 2003 10:00:19 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question In a message dated 9/19/2003 9:51:21 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But you state that, I also believe that her fate is in God's hands and he should not tamper with that. By forcing medical treatment upon her, you could certainly say that people are tampering. You may be right. I am still thinking it through. I really haven't come to a conclusion. Laura IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question
Bite your tomgue! ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, September 20, 2003 16:01:09 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Terry, Why is it that whenever we have differing opinions, that you decide that I am the one with no discernment? Could it ever be you? Just wonderingâ¦..J Izzy -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 12:41 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Discernment Izzy, Discernment. Terry - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 8:34 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Terry, It seems to me that the selfish thing to do is to cling to someone by interfering in postponing their death at their own expense. (In certain situations.) Iâve probably taken care of more ill people than you have, and I know what that means, and that is not the issue. Playing God can work both ways. I donât think we should judge people who want to stop that game. Izzy -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 7:06 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question There are sins of commission, and sins of omission. Failing to care for another as yourself is a sin of omission. Nature does not take it's course. God put you here and it should be God who decides when to take you out. He will take you when He is ready, tube or no tube. When you make that decision, you usurp His authority. You play God. When you start considering how unfair it would be to spend your life caring for someone who will never be able to thank you or even acknowledge your presence, you are dwelling on self. Self is not what it is all about. When you do itfor the least of His, you do itforHim. Think about those things. Terry ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, September 19, 2003 21:04:44 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Terry, I am not talking about ââ¬Åsnuffingââ¬Â anyone.à Iââ¬â¢m talking about ceasing from medical intervention to keep them alive, and letting nature take its course.à Quite the opposite of ââ¬Åsnuffing outââ¬Â. Izzy -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Friday, September 19, 2003 6:11 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Then I take it that your conscience would not bother you if you snuffed your hubby a day too early? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 4:35 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Terry, You can only make decisions upon the information you have available today. Canââ¬â¢t look back tomorrow. Besides that, new medical developments take years of RD, and nothing just pops up unexpectedly overnight. Izzy -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Friday, September 19, 2003 3:59 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Just something to muddy the thought process. What if you pull the plug on your patient today, and tomorrow they find the cure that was never available before? Could happen. Terry ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, September 19, 2003 10:00:19 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question In a message dated 9/19/2003 9:51:21 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But you state that, ââ∠âI also believe that her fate is in God's hands and he should not tamper with that.âââ¬Ã By forcing medical treatment upon her, you could certainly say that people are ââ∠âtamperingâââ¬ÃÂ. You may be right. I am still thinking it through. I really haven't come to a conclusion. Laura IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
RE: [TruthTalk] Sanctification by the Spirit
Judy, How did you and your family fare thru the Hurricane? Iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judith H. Taylor Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 10:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Sanctification by the Spirit David: Thank you for your response, If I am suddenly silent it is because we are on a hurricane watch here. some are without power already and Isabel is supposed to land at the outer banks in a couple of hours. They are expecting massive power outages and flooding. Maybe a good place to begin here is asking ourselves the question what is the heart? Is it the soul (mind, will, emotions) or is it spirit? We know it is possible to have a deceived heart and an evil heart of unbelief. It is also possible to have a root of fear in our heart which is different from normal fear of danger which would be in the soul. Paul wrote to Timothy that the 'goal' of the instruction is love from a pure heart so if the heart/spirit is pure from the start of our walk with God then why would this be the goal? Is it because we don't think like God, or love like He does. Being conformed to the image of Christ does not happen overnight and spiritual discernment is a must if we are to resist evil and choose the good - Having our senses exercised to discern between good and evil is also a process. Well the lights are blinking so won't push it here. Until Later, Judy -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question
Just a thought. If the comatose person is unsaved and bound for Hell, would you send him there, or would he be more comfortable in a coma? If there was less than one tenth of one percent of a chance that he would ever regain consciousness and be able to repent, would itbe worth waiting? Or have you already taken all that into account in your previous responses? Terry ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, September 20, 2003 16:01:09 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Terry, Why is it that whenever we have differing opinions, that you decide that I am the one with no discernment? Could it ever be you? Just wonderingâ¦..J Izzy -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 12:41 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Discernment Izzy, Discernment. Terry - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 8:34 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Terry, It seems to me that the selfish thing to do is to cling to someone by interfering in postponing their death at their own expense. (In certain situations.) Iâve probably taken care of more ill people than you have, and I know what that means, and that is not the issue. Playing God can work both ways. I donât think we should judge people who want to stop that game. Izzy -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 7:06 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question There are sins of commission, and sins of omission. Failing to care for another as yourself is a sin of omission. Nature does not take it's course. God put you here and it should be God who decides when to take you out. He will take you when He is ready, tube or no tube. When you make that decision, you usurp His authority. You play God. When you start considering how unfair it would be to spend your life caring for someone who will never be able to thank you or even acknowledge your presence, you are dwelling on self. Self is not what it is all about. When you do itfor the least of His, you do itforHim. Think about those things. Terry ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, September 19, 2003 21:04:44 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Terry, I am not talking about ââ¬Åsnuffingââ¬Â anyone.à Iââ¬â¢m talking about ceasing from medical intervention to keep them alive, and letting nature take its course.à Quite the opposite of ââ¬Åsnuffing outââ¬Â. Izzy -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Friday, September 19, 2003 6:11 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Then I take it that your conscience would not bother you if you snuffed your hubby a day too early? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 4:35 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Terry, You can only make decisions upon the information you have available today. Canââ¬â¢t look back tomorrow. Besides that, new medical developments take years of RD, and nothing just pops up unexpectedly overnight. Izzy -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Friday, September 19, 2003 3:59 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question Just something to muddy the thought process. What if you pull the plug on your patient today, and tomorrow they find the cure that was never available before? Could happen. Terry ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, September 19, 2003 10:00:19 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Ethics question In a message dated 9/19/2003 9:51:21 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But you state that, ââ∠âI also believe that her fate is in God's hands and he should not tamper with that.âââ¬Ã By forcing medical treatment upon her, you could certainly say that people are ââ∠âtamperingâââ¬ÃÂ. You may be right. I am still thinking it through. I really haven't come to a conclusion. Laura IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
RE: [TruthTalk] Sanctification by the Spirit
Hi IZ all: Our family all hung out at our place and waited Isabel out. We only lost two window screens (they blew off} but there is devastation all around us, broken poles, power lines on the ground and debris everywhere. I've never seen trees laying on their sides with their entire root systems exposed. There is a 95% blackout and I don't know when we will have power back, we live out of town and are probably last on the list. I am using my daughter's computer to check mail, her power came on at 4 a.m. today, for us it could be 2 weeks or more and without power our pump will not work so we have no water. Even Walmart is closed. The only store open was Lowe's building supply, they were selling generators for $700, they had 200 in the store and about 300 ppl in line for them. So right now we are trying to decide what perishables need to be thrown out and what to keep. There is a local curfew too, we are supposed to be home by 7 p.m. I'm thankful and praising the Lord that it wasn't worse for us and now if we can just have patience. There is a hot line where ppl are helping ppl as much as they can which is good. Please pray for us, Grace and Peace, Judy -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
