date:20060305

- Original Message - 
From: Debbie Sawczak 
To: 'Lance Muir' 
Sent: March 04, 2006 17:44
Subject: interp

The friend giving us the car is the one who gave Jan Dom Crossan's 
biography of Jesus. We went out to get the car this afternoon and ended up in a 
discussion about literalism and historicity. I was trying to make the point that 
not all scripture is one kind of writing, and also that literalness is not the 
same as historicity. I think treating all scripture the same contributes to the 
house-of-cards mentality. Our friend's apprehension of Christ is not rooted in 
space and time at all, but he thinks the essential truth of the gospels is 
independent of that. For us, of course, that IS the essential truth--God 
entering space and time as a man. It was a good and amiable 
conversation.

Anyway, I was reflecting later how the conversation confirmed that our 
unbelieving friend on the one handand fundamentalistson the other 
are really operating out of the same rationalistic paradigm. That's why they 
both have a house of cards, only one is out to preserve it and the other is out 
to demolish it (albeit not maliciously).And I saw how, 
to fundamentalists, anyone who suggests any latitude at all in interpreting the 
Bible would sound like an unbeliever.

D
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Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand

- Original Message - 
From: Debbie Sawczak 
To: 'Lance Muir' 
Sent: March 04, 2006 17:25
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand

Yes! Your post below nailed the issue. Dean rivals Judy for 
not getting stuff.

How cutethat he thinksyou need 
rescue!

D

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Lance 
  Muir 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: 3/4/2006 11:39:55 AM 
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] emailing: 
  sinnersinhand

  'MY' religion, Dean? Thereafter Dean, you assure 
  me that no matter what I might say you will show me differently. Of course you 
  will, Dean. That's the very point I've been making all along, Dean. 

  cd: aah, but we can support what 
  we say with the word of God Lance-can you?By the way this is what you group 
  did to Judy, Lance-How does it feel to have a group of debaters pressing you 
  at one time?I suspect David will help you out 
  soon.
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Fw: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance

- Original Message - 
From: Debbie Sawczak 
To: 'Lance Muir' 
Sent: March 04, 2006 17:03
Subject: RE: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance

Oh dear, he's got it all balled up.But one might have 
known he would misunderstand the reference; I think his premise is 
thatanything not completely transparent must be cover for something 
vile.Did you go on to explain in plain English what you meant by the clash 
of cultures?

D

- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Lance 
  Muir 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: 3/4/2006 11:26:37 AM 
  Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing 
  repentance

  First Dean, that was not the point of my 
  reference. What does it say of you that your mind would go to that part of the 
  film? I showed someone the trailer yesterday so as to demonstrate the clash of 
  cultures.
  cd: Be honest Lance. This posting 
  you sent clearly showyour believe/bias that southern women (Judy) are as 
  the women of the movie "Deliverance" which would lead one to believe the 
  southern men are as the men in the movie that had sex with pigs- as you made 
  the last of the sentence (Anyone see 'Deliverance' (circa 
  1972)?connect with the first part of the 
  sentence(.You can take the (wo)man out of the 
  south but...) . If you were insinuation something differently 
  then say so? I am all 
  ears?Did you mean to insult our women (Judy)or not 
Lance?
  Lance 
  wrote:

  You can take the (wo)man out of the south 
  butAnyone see 'Deliverance' (circa 1972)?

- Original Message - 
From: 
Dean 
Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: March 04, 2006 11:20
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing 
repentance

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Lance 
  Muir 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: 3/4/2006 10:33:05 AM 
  Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] 
  Continuing repentance

  Why is that Kevin? Did you see the 
  film?
  cd:Lance why are you answering 
  my post as to" Kevin" and Kevin's posts as to "Dean"? Yes I have seen both 
  "Deliverance" (Burt Reynolds)-it was filmed a couple of miles from my 
  house- and "Lord of War"(Nich. Cage).And as to your suggest-we do not have 
  sex with pigs-so cut it out!

- Original Message - 
From: 
Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: March 04, 2006 07:38
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] 
Continuing repentance

cd: Lance, I reject what you are suggesting. People from 
Canada that speak this way will only hurt their own Nation -in 
time.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Lance Muir 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: 3/4/2006 5:53:28 AM 
  Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] 
  Continuing repentance

  You can take the (wo)man out of the south 
  butAnyone see 'Deliverance' (circa 1972)?

- Original Message - 
From: 
Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: March 04, 2006 
01:25
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] 
Continuing repentance

Do you have a reference for us concerningthese 
cages Luther used?
see following BUT Keep in mind these guys were first 
REFORMED Catholics (eg REFORMERS one and all) who later 
converted to Anabaptism in addition in their later lives they got 
involved in polygamy. You can take the man out of Roman Catholicism, 
it is much harder to take the Roman Catholicism out of the 
man!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_Knipperdolling
From June 24 - 25, 1535, the Bishop, with the aid of the 
deserter Henry Gresbeck, retook Münster. 
Knipperdolling, Bockelson and Bernhard 
Krechting were imprisoned and interrogated. In On January 22, 1536, 
Knipperdolling, Krechting, and Bockelson were publicly tortured 
and executed in Münster. Their corpses were suspended in 
a cage from the Lambertuskirche (St. Lambert's Church), 
which had been the initial focus of the Anabaptist 
revolution.Dean Moore 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

  [Original Message] From: David Miller 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
   Date: 2/26/2006 11:58:10 
  PM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing 
  repentance RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fw: Continuing 
  repentancecd wrote:  Judy did you know that M.Luther 
  had Street  Preachers put in oversize bird

Re: [TruthTalk] The End-Times




Well Christine, simply that they ('the end times) 
are fodder for disagreement among those who believe that they have read the 
scriptures aright. They got them thar 'charts' ya know! I do know that we're 
2,000 years beyond His bodily ascension to the right hand of the Father where He 
intercedes on our behalf.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Christine 
  Miller 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 04, 2006 18:28
  Subject: [TruthTalk] The End-Times
  Actually, I don't know. I don't know much about end-times 
  theology, but I do know Jesus is coming back for His Bride. What do you 
  believe about the end-times, Lance?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  

I do Christine but, these are not synonymous. 
Are they?

  - 
  Original Message - 
  From: 
  Christine 
  Miller 
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: 
  March 04, 2006 14:46
  Subject: 
  Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
  Wait a minute. You don't believe Jesus is 
  returning?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 
  

Christine, some are some are not and, yes 
this one is. The so-called 'rapture' is a theological fiction. Look at 
the history of William Miller or JNDarby or LaHaye/Jenkins or Clarence 
Larkin or, or, or...

  - 
  Original Message - 
  From: 
  Christine Miller 
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: 
  March 04, 2006 01:10
  Subject: 
  Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
  Lance wrote:the rapture is 
  comingIs this a list of ideas that are ridiculous to you? You 
  don't believe the rapture is coming, Lance?Lance 
  Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 
  

The earth is flat, we did't actually go 
to the moon (it was shot in a movie studio), the moon is made of 
green cheese, the universe is geocentric, alien abductions 
proliferate, the rapture is coming, 6 day young earth creationism 
ought to be taught in schools (?), RCC is/is not Christian, US 
foreign policy is flawless,the trilateral commission works for 
the good of womankind, all TRUE believers understand scripture as it 
should be understood and all TRUE believers live sin 
free.

Of course facts matter and, they are 
not irrelevant.

  - 
  Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin Deegan 
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: 
  March 03, 2006 06:16
  Subject: 
  Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
  
  Facts are such STUBBORN things
  
  Are they irrelevant in your 
  opinion?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  

Simply read the 'subject' along 
with the content ('spirit' - so much anger, judgmentalism, 
self-righteousness and pride!) of some of the posts of some. I 
rest my case your honor.

  - 
  Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin Deegan 
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: 
  March 02, 2006 19:08
  Subject: 
  Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
  
  Some of 
  those in Rwanda who perpetrated the genocide were 
  believers.
  
  WRONG AGAIN
  Stop slurring Christians by trying to lump them in with 
  Catholic KILLERS.
  You play real loose with Facts. Are Facts irrelevant to 
  you?
  
  Maybe you need a program so you can tell apart 
  the players?
  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53018-2002Sep22.html
  Rwandan nuns were convicted of murder 
  for their roles in the massacre of 7,000 Tutsis who sought 
  protection at a Benedictine convent.
  
  I think that means it was those loving 
  catholics again!
  
  Same old RC Church as 
  it ever was:
  http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4615171
  an international court is trying several Catholic 
  priests for their alleged

Joseph Ratsinger / POPe Benedict XVIbelievesthat Jesus Christ is not coming back but ratherANOTHER who has his traits is appearing. Jewish messianic expectation is not in vain. It can become for us Christians a powerful stimulant to keep alive the eschatological dimension of our faith. Like them, we too live in expectation. The difference is that for us, the One who is to come will have the traits of the Jesus who has already come and is already present and active among us. The Jewish People and their Sacred Scriptures in the Christian Bible, The Vatican. John 5:43, I am come in my Fathers name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. Someone is LOOKING for Antichrist and says he is already among us Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I don't know. I don't know much about end-times theology, but I do know Jesus is coming back for His Bride. What do you believe about the end-times, Lance?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do Christine but, these are not synonymous. Are they?- Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 14:46 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Wait a
minute. You don't believe Jesus is returning?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christine, some are some are not and, yes this one is. The so-called 'rapture' is a theological fiction. Look at the history of William Miller or JNDarby or LaHaye/Jenkins or Clarence Larkin or, or, or...- Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 01:10 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? Lance wrote:the rapture is comingIs this a list of ideas that are ridiculous to you? You don't believe the rapture is coming, Lance?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The earth is flat, we did't actually go to the moon (it was shot in a movie studio), the moon is made of green cheese, the universe is geocentric, alien abductions proliferate, the rapture is coming, 6 day young earth creationism ought to be taught in schools (?), RCC is/is not Christian, US foreign policy is flawless,the trilateral commission works for the good of womankind, all TRUE believers understand scripture as it should be understood and all TRUE believers live sin free.Of course facts matter and, they are not irrelevant.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 06:16 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Facts are such STUBBORN thingsAre they irrelevant in your opinion?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simply read the 'subject' along with the content ('spirit' - so much anger, judgmentalism, self-righteousness and pride!) of some of the posts of some. I rest my case your honor.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 02, 2006 19:08 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Some of those in Rwanda who perpetrated the genocide were believers.WRONG AGAIN Stop slurring Christians by trying to lump them in with Catholic KILLERS. You play real loose with Facts. Are Facts irrelevant to you?Maybe you need a program so you can tell apart the
players? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53018-2002Sep22.html Rwandan nuns were convicted of murder for their roles in the massacre of 7,000 Tutsis who sought protection at a Benedictine convent.I think that means it was those loving catholics again!Same old RC Church as it ever was: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4615171 an international court is trying several Catholic priests for their alleged role in the
massacres, in which Hutus murdered 800,000 minority Tutsis and moderate HutusCatholic World News: http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=39498Kigali, Sep. 08, 2005 (CWNews.com) - Authorities in Rwanda have arrested a Belgian Catholic priest on charges related to the genocidal massacres of 1994. http://www.globalpolicy.org/intljustice/tribunals/rwanda/2004/0920priest.htm Father Seromba's trial at the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda will revive heated debate about the role of the Catholic Church during the dark days of 1994. The Catholic hierarchy in Rwanda had close ties to extremist politicians in the run up to the genocide and some priests like Father Seromba
are accused of actively assisting the Hutu militias. In 2001, two nuns were found guilty of taking part in the genocide in a Belgian court. The Vatican accepts there are individuals in the church who committed crimes, but controversially, it says the Church as an institution cannot be held to blame. At the time of the genocide, some 60% of Rwandans were Catholic but some have since converted to Islam, saying the Church failed them in 1994.

Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

 [Original Message]
 From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Date: 3/4/2006 4:00:26 PM
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

 Dean:It was verbally explicit. I believed you! Were you not telling the 
 truth?
cd: Meant every word of it Lance-If someone asks my wife such question I
will show up at their door and they can explain their remarks to me.What
you choose to take as a violence act if up to your imagine-for most people
see what they want to see. 

 - Original Message - 
 From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: March 04, 2006 14:08
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

  [Original Message]
  From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Date: 3/4/2006 11:17:31 AM
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

  Sure Dean, I don't know if I like the tone used in reference to me,
  David'.
  Given your history Dean, I actually interpreted this as an implicit
  threat.
  No kidding Dean, once a person, in this case you, has shown a capacity
  for
  violence (thus my remark later to DM/CM as an example of violence
issuing
  from a believer - something they seemed to believe impossible) I'm
alert
  to
  the possibility of it once again.  OK?

  cd; A little twisting of truth-to your favor-and play it to the
hilt-huh,
  Lance?Tell me what violence have you ever seen me do?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: March 04, 2006 10:57
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

   cd: Please explain this remark Lance?

   [Original Message]
   From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
   Date: 3/4/2006 6:14:53 AM
   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

   Can anyone other than me hear the implicit threat herein? This,
DM/CM
  is
   that to which I made reference.
   - Original Message - 
   From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
   Sent: March 03, 2006 17:34
   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

[Original Message]
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Date: 3/1/2006 1:12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

Lance wrote:
 Believers in all religions are equal opportunity
 'throat slitters', Christine. You, Christine, did
 not threaten such action. Do I believe, under
 some circumstance, you capable of it? I do.
 Christine: If you missed the whole business of
 our 'moderate' (tor) actually threatening to show
 up at someone's door in order to do physical
 violence to them then, ask your dad for an update.
 It may be that you, IMO wrongly, believe yourself
 incapable of anger that might lead to some form of
 harm-doing (verbally/physically). Don't be grieved.

Lance, you just don't know who you are talking to.  Christine is 
not
capable
of this.  Ridiculous.  Christine has never even met Dean, so why
  would
you
even associate her with a comment that Dean made?
cd: I don't know if I like the tone used in reference to me
David. I
remind
you that you do not know me, nor does Lance.I situation Lance is
  bring
   up
was in sexual reference to my wife who I am told to provide
  for-which
is
including protection from evil.

David Miller

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Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?




See my quote from 'God, Creation and the Culture of 
Modernity', Christine.FIRE AWAY! (not literally, of course. I always need 
to remind myself when speaking with those who might be 
'packing')

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Christine 
  Miller 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 04, 2006 18:15
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of 
  truthtalk?
  Lance, why is it so difficult for you to agree with Kevin? Do 
  you realize that you are judging those 
  North American churches? Why is it wrong for Kevin to judge but not 
  you?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  

It's the North American 'religious' barbarians 
that concern me just now. I 'bin in too many churches ya know.

  - 
  Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin Deegan 
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: 
  March 04, 2006 15:50
  Subject: 
  Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
  
  So you agree with stoning a 13 year old girl for Dancing at a 
  wedding
  I have never heard you ever say one thing about those 
  barbarians.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  

How interesting is the American love for 
the destruction of fellow humans!! One can ALMOST sense the hope that is 
within you that they won't, repent that is, so that your *LOW president 
can nuke 'em, eh?

*Lord of War

  - 
  Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dean Moore 
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: 
  March 04, 2006 11:42
  Subject: 
  Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
- 
Original Message - 
From: 
Lance Muir 
To: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 
3/4/2006 10:35:55 AM 
Subject: 
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

That (those) foreign country 
(countries) did not attack the US, Dean. I've already written on the 
one that did (Saudi Arabia was the nation from which most of the 
hijackers came). You attack the wrong countries, Dean.
cd:You have been fed 
misinformation,Come to know the Christ we know and you too will have 
delusions removed,Lance-Actually we attacked the Moslems 
extremists-Areyou suggestingthere are not any Moslems 
extremists in Iraq or Afghanistan?Hopefully we are just warming up 
for ourFather of all wars-unless they repent-of course.I say 
take them all out while we can-unless they 
repent.

  - 
  Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dean Moore 
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: 
  March 04, 2006 07:21
  Subject: 
  Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
  
  
  cd:If that foreign country 
  confronted and attacked the United States initially and was beyond 
  reasoning-as far as coming to terms-then that country must 
  except responsibility for their actions and the results of their 
  actions.In the below you seemed to agree with protection one's 
  family from danger-is this not also true for a country? If an 
  aggressing Nation started killing citizens of a peaceful 
  Nation-should this be allowed without defense?What if the 
  aggressing Nation hid behind women and children and continued the 
  act of aggression.Should we allow our women/children get 
  rapesand/or killed when we could have stopped it?Before you 
  judge our Nation as being evil Lance-remember we could take over 
  the entire world as Rome did-but have choosen to help/feed the 
  world instead-The U.S. has feed and clothed more people on the 
  face of the earththen any other Nation ever has in history. 
  Are there fractionswithin the U.S.causing problems-Yes 
  as Satan exists- but over all t he people in the U.S. are caring 
  people. Is seems to me that all Nations complain until they need 
  our help. What if Russia attacked Canada-for gains sake-do you 
  think they haven't though of this?I believe they have and your 
  closeness to the U.S. has deterred them.Think about 
  it?
  
  
  
  
- 
Original Message - 
From:

Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

Dean:Kindly remember that 1 Cor enjoins us to have on hand an interpreter 
when one speaks in tongues. (Interpreter!! help me here will you?)

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 05, 2006 07:10
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

[Original Message]
From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Date: 3/4/2006 4:00:26 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

Dean:It was verbally explicit. I believed you! Were you not telling the
truth?

cd: Meant every word of it Lance-If someone asks my wife such question I
will show up at their door and they can explain their remarks to me.What
you choose to take as a violence act if up to your imagine-for most people
see what they want to see.

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 04, 2006 14:08
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

 [Original Message]
 From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Date: 3/4/2006 11:17:31 AM
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

 Sure Dean, I don't know if I like the tone used in reference to me,
 David'.
 Given your history Dean, I actually interpreted this as an implicit
 threat.
 No kidding Dean, once a person, in this case you, has shown a capacity
 for
 violence (thus my remark later to DM/CM as an example of violence

issuing

 from a believer - something they seemed to believe impossible) I'm

alert

 to
 the possibility of it once again.  OK?

 cd; A little twisting of truth-to your favor-and play it to the

hilt-huh,

 Lance?Tell me what violence have you ever seen me do?

 - Original Message - 
 From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: March 04, 2006 10:57
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

  cd: Please explain this remark Lance?

  [Original Message]
  From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Date: 3/4/2006 6:14:53 AM
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

  Can anyone other than me hear the implicit threat herein? This,

DM/CM

 is
  that to which I made reference.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: March 03, 2006 17:34
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

   [Original Message]
   From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
   Date: 3/1/2006 1:12:39 PM
   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

   Lance wrote:
Believers in all religions are equal opportunity
'throat slitters', Christine. You, Christine, did
not threaten such action. Do I believe, under
some circumstance, you capable of it? I do.
Christine: If you missed the whole business of
our 'moderate' (tor) actually threatening to show
up at someone's door in order to do physical
violence to them then, ask your dad for an update.
It may be that you, IMO wrongly, believe yourself
incapable of anger that might lead to some form of
harm-doing (verbally/physically). Don't be grieved.

   Lance, you just don't know who you are talking to.  Christine is
   not
   capable
   of this.  Ridiculous.  Christine has never even met Dean, so why
 would
   you
   even associate her with a comment that Dean made?
   cd: I don't know if I like the tone used in reference to me

David. I

   remind
   you that you do not know me, nor does Lance.I situation Lance is
 bring
  up
   was in sexual reference to my wife who I am told to provide
 for-which
   is
   including protection from evil.

   David Miller

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Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 Spirits of truthtalk?









- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 4:06:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

'Come to Jesus', Dean? How utterly presumptuous of you! North Carolina is it?
cd: I can tell the words of a lost man a mile away-if he speaks enough-thanks to God. Yep, N.C it is Lance. Remember the gorge in the Movie "Deliverance"? I live in the next gorge above that one.The movie"Fugitive"starring Harrison Ford was filmed in my home town. The scene where Ford jumped from the Fontana Dam drain tunnel is the state of the gorge that the movie"Deliverance" was filmed in. Nick Searcy who starred in Fried Green Tomatoes" play in "Fugitive" and was the pretend cop in " Top Gun" also came from my home town-I train him in Jeet-Con-Do for the " Ninja Turtle"part-Years ago. "The Last Mohican" was also filmed here.But if you really want to see a good movie-get"Loves enduring promise" and part 2 "Love Comes Softly". Kevin, Judy, Christine, Izzy-watch these with you children. I had the joy of doing so with my daughter.

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 04, 2006 14:37
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?







- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 11:49:55 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

How interesting is the American love for the destruction of fellow humans!! One can ALMOST sense the hope that is within you that they won't, repent that is, so that your *LOW president can nuke 'em, eh?

*Lord of War
cd: Still playing the violent opponent bit huh,Lance?Ignor all the truth and focus on what supports your world view? Come to the Jesus we know and you shall have thelight of understanding.

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 04, 2006 11:42
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?







- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 10:35:55 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

That (those) foreign country (countries) did not attack the US, Dean. I've already written on the one that did (Saudi Arabia was the nation from which most of the hijackers came). You attack the wrong countries, Dean.
cd:You have been fed misinformation,Come to know the Christ we know and you too will have delusions removed,Lance-Actually we attacked the Moslems extremists-Areyou suggestingthere are not any Moslems extremists in Iraq or Afghanistan?Hopefully we are just warming up for ourFather of all wars-unless they repent-of course.I say take them all out while we can-unless they repent.

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 04, 2006 07:21
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?


cd:If that foreign country confronted and attacked the United States initially and was beyond reasoning-as far as coming to terms-then that country must except responsibility for their actions and the results of their actions.In the below you seemed to agree with protection one's family from danger-is this not also true for a country? If an aggressing Nation started killing citizens of a peaceful Nation-should this be allowed without defense?What if the aggressing Nation hid behind women and children and continued the act of aggression.Should we allow our women/children get rapesand/or killed when we could have stopped it?Before you judge our Nation as being evil Lance-remember we could take over the entire world as Rome did-but have choosen to help/feed the world instead-The U.S. has feed and clothed more people on the face of the earththen any other Nation ever has in history. Are there fractionswithin the U.S.causing problems-Yes as Satan exists- but over all t
 he people in the U.S. are caring people. Is seems to me that all Nations complain until they need our help. What if Russia attacked Canada-for gains sake-do you think they haven't though of this?I believe they have and your closeness to the U.S. has deterred them.Think about it?




- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/3/2006 6:06:55 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

Or Dean, if some foreign nation, say the United States of America, invaded your sovereign territory, killing thousands of your women and children..??

You illustrate my point to Christine well, Dean. Thanks Dean. I appreciate this, Dean.

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 03, 2006 17:30
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?







- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/1/2006 11:32:40 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

Christine:

If you missed the whole business of our 'moderate' (tor)

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance









- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 4:09:28 PM 
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance

Let me interpret for you Dean. I use the word (wo)man instead of man for the purpose of inclusivity. I perceive the majority of TT as sexist. The 'Judy' connection never even occured to me. Once again Dean, connections were made by you; dark ones at that, that I didn't intend. 
cd: Well -I for one believe you Lance-but one should not connect two thoughts together that one does not intent to belong together-it will most certainly led others to mistake your meaning.

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 04, 2006 14:19
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance







- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 11:26:37 AM 
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance

First Dean, that was not the point of my reference. What does it say of you that your mind would go to that part of the film? I showed someone the trailer yesterday so as to demonstrate the clash of cultures.
cd: Be honest Lance. This posting you sent clearly showyour believe/bias that southern women (Judy) are as the women of the movie "Deliverance" which would lead one to believe the southern men are as the men in the movie that had sex with pigs- as you made the last of the sentence (Anyone see 'Deliverance' (circa 1972)?connect with the first part of the sentence(.You can take the (wo)man out of the south but...) . If you were insinuation something differently then say so? I am all ears?Did you mean to insult our women (Judy)or not Lance?
Lance wrote:

You can take the (wo)man out of the south butAnyone see 'Deliverance' (circa 1972)?

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 04, 2006 11:20
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance







- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 10:33:05 AM 
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance

Why is that Kevin? Did you see the film?
cd:Lance why are you answering my post as to" Kevin" and Kevin's posts as to "Dean"? Yes I have seen both "Deliverance" (Burt Reynolds)-it was filmed a couple of miles from my house- and "Lord of War"(Nich. Cage).And as to your suggest-we do not have sex with pigs-so cut it out!

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 04, 2006 07:38
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance


cd: Lance, I reject what you are suggesting. People from Canada that speak this way will only hurt their own Nation -in time.




- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 5:53:28 AM 
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance

You can take the (wo)man out of the south butAnyone see 'Deliverance' (circa 1972)?

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 04, 2006 01:25
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance

Do you have a reference for us concerningthese cages Luther used?
see following BUT Keep in mind these guys were first REFORMED Catholics (eg REFORMERS one and all) who later converted to Anabaptism in addition in their later lives they got involved in polygamy. You can take the man out of Roman Catholicism, it is much harder to take the Roman Catholicism out of the man!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_Knipperdolling
From June 24 - 25, 1535, the Bishop, with the aid of the deserter Henry Gresbeck, retook Münster. Knipperdolling, Bockelson and Bernhard Krechting were imprisoned and interrogated. In On January 22, 1536, Knipperdolling, Krechting, and Bockelson were publicly tortured and executed in Münster. Their corpses were suspended in a cage from the Lambertuskirche (St. Lambert's Church), which had been the initial focus of the Anabaptist revolution.Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 [Original Message] From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:  Date: 2/26/2006 11:58:10 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fw: Continuing repentancecd wrote:  Judy did you know that M.Luther had Street  Preachers put in oversize bird cages and  hung up in the church even on Sunday morning  while he and his followers worshiped God. I hope you understand that not all Anabaptists were good streetpreachers.  Some of them were polygamists who did not recognize the marriage contractof  Lutherans or Roman Catholics. Do you have a reference for us concerning  these cages Luther used?cd:To my understanding the Street Preachers Luther had put in bird cageswere not polygamist-they preach the gospel of Jesus Christ. But if
 that ishow a Christian is suppose to act then should I take a cage with me on mynext trip (Lord willing) to Salt Lake City and

Re: [TruthTalk] * To all list members-ModeratorComment*****









- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 4:09:39 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment***

Why not do something about Drunk driving?
or would that cut into government profits?
There were 16,694 alcohol-related fatalities in 2004 more than US deaths in Iraq
Why are road blocks never set up in the bar district?
cd: Revenue from the bar district? Maybe:-)Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree with you, but I would not blame all tradition (which is what religion is, ultimately, no?). Religion has become been used for evil because man is evil. It's like the old adage about whether or not guns kill people, or people kill people. But just because the answer is "people" does not necessarily mean that you shouldn't put some restictions on the process for purchasing a fire arm. The problem with religion (and also gun control) is that man would still be evil, even without religion and guns.But I agree with what you have written, Lance. :-) Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 


Were 'religion' to be characterized as (wo)man's self-generated effort at redemption then, I'd say that it IS responsible for much of the evil in the world. Religion is very big in church.

- Original Message - 
From: Christine Miller 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 03, 2006 18:27
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment***
G, the lyrics fantacize about a world where there is no God, no consequences for our actions. It's also based on the false idea that man has no fallen nature. And, most offensive to me, it blames the evil in the world on religion, not on our fallen nature. Religion has been the scapegoat for a lot of evil in history and today. Do it in the name of God and you have a special type of defense. But we must recognize the religion isn't evil, tradition isn't evil, man is. That idea is the foundation of our gospel. Man is fallen and needs a savior. Lennon's song refutes that foundation and appeals to man's desire to deceive himself and to lay the blame for our sinful state on someone else, in this case, all religion.Do you disagree?Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 





cd: Listen to the words G.




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From: 
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Sent: 2/28/2006 11:48:18 PM 
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:21:01 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Lennons song "Imagine" is an attack against God

how so, Bro?

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for ref:


ImagineImagine there's no heaven,It's easy if you try,No hell below us,Above us only sky,Imagine all the peopleliving for today...Imagine there's no countries,It isnt hard to do,Nothing to kill or die for,No religion too,Imagine all the peopleliving life in peace...Imagine no possesions,I wonder if you can,No need for greed or hunger,A brotherhood of man,Imagine all the peopleSharing all the world...You may say Im a dreamer,but Im not the only one,I hope some day you'll join us,And the world will live as one.





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Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?




Thanks for the article Kevin-This is close to home.





- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 04, 2006 15:43
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

just a clash of cultures right?
http://www.news14charlotte.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=114704

This is not culture, it is WICKED
It is not PEACE it is the exact orders ofMohammed. This is real Islam in practice
STONING.Warning! This is an extremely sick and disgusting punishment, and thus watching this video can make you weak or possibly give you nausea and shock for several days. Please do not watch if you are weak-hearted. http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/stoning.htm


Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



- Original Message - 

From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 10:35:55 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

That (those) foreign country (countries) did not attack the US, Dean. I've already written on the one that did (Saudi Arabia was the nation from which most of the hijackers came). You attack the wrong countries, Dean.
cd:You have been fed misinformation,Come to know the Christ we know and you too will have delusions removed,Lance-Actually we attacked the Moslems extremists-Areyou suggestingthere are not any Moslems extremists in Iraq or Afghanistan?Hopefully we are just warming up for ourFather of all wars-unless they repent-of course.I say take them all out while we can-unless they repent.

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 04, 2006 07:21
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?


cd:If that foreign country confronted and attacked the United States initially and was beyond reasoning-as far as coming to terms-then that country must except responsibility for their actions and the results of their actions.In the below you seemed to agree with protection one's family from danger-is this not also true for a country? If an aggressing Nation started killing citizens of a peaceful Nation-should this be allowed without defense?What if the aggressing Nation hid behind women and children and continued the act of aggression.Should we allow our women/children get rapesand/or killed when we could have stopped it?Before you judge our Nation as being evil Lance-remember we could take over the entire world as Rome did-but have choosen to help/feed the world instead-The U.S. has feed and clothed more people on the face of the earththen any other Nation ever has in history. Are there fractionswithin the U.S.causing problems-Yes as Satan exists- but over all t
 he people in the U.S. are caring people. Is seems to me that all Nations complain until they need our help. What if Russia attacked Canada-for gains sake-do you think they haven't though of this?I believe they have and your closeness to the U.S. has deterred them.Think about it?




- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/3/2006 6:06:55 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

Or Dean, if some foreign nation, say the United States of America, invaded your sovereign territory, killing thousands of your women and children..??

You illustrate my point to Christine well, Dean. Thanks Dean. I appreciate this, Dean.

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 03, 2006 17:30
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?







- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/1/2006 11:32:40 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

Christine:

If you missed the whole business of our 'moderate' (tor) actually threatening to show up at someone's door in order to do physical violence to them then, ask your dad for an update.It may be that you, IMO wrongly, believe yourself incapable of anger that might lead to some form of harm-doing (verbally/physically). Don't be grieved.


Any response to the balance of the email?

Lance
cd: Lance lets keep this in context. Is some man asked my wife about her sex life in detail I would be at their door. My wife is put under my protection by God himself andI will preformthat duty.That was involved in our earlier discussion that you are bring up.Answer this Lance-If some sodomite was molesting yourunderage son and the Police failed to act what would you do? Or if some rapist broke into you house and was attacking your wife would you defend her with violence?

- Original Message - 
From: Christine Miller 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 01, 2006 11:22
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Lance wrote:Believers in all religions are equal opportunity 'throat slitters', Christine. You, Christine, did not threaten such action. Do I believe, under some circumstance, you capable of it? I do.I am grieved that you believe me capable of such actions.Lance

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand

2006-03-05 Thread Judy Taylor




Judy gets what is important and so does 
Dean
What you don't get in all of your mental gyrations and 
rationalizing is that
the scriptures are "spiritually discerned" 
period. Your head is not up to the job

On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 06:53:44 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  - Original Message - 
  From: Debbie Sawczak 
  To: 'Lance Muir' 
  Sent: March 04, 2006 17:25
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand
  
  Yes! Your post below nailed the issue. Dean rivals Judy 
  for not getting stuff.
  
  How cutethat he thinksyou need 
  rescue!
  
  D
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Lance 
Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 11:39:55 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] emailing: 
sinnersinhand

'MY' religion, Dean? Thereafter Dean, you 
assure me that no matter what I might say you will show me differently. Of 
course you will, Dean. That's the very point I've been making all along, 
Dean. 
cd: aah, but we can support what 
we say with the word of God Lance-can you?By the way this is what you group 
did to Judy, Lance-How does it feel to have a group of debaters pressing you 
at one time?I suspect David will help you out 
soon.
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Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 Spirits of truthtalk?

Must be an AWESOME neck of the woods where you live.Here is Love comes softly http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002IKSFM/103-1275621-3617442?v=glancen=130http://www.hallmarkchannel.com/us_framework.jsp?BODY=program.jspCONTENT=DAM_FAM_1555726Based on the books by Janette Oke http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0764228323/ref=pd_lpo_k2a_2_txt/103-1275621-3617442?%5Fencoding=UTF8Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/4/2006 4:06:00 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?'Come to Jesus', Dean? How utterly presumptuous of you! North Carolina is it? cd: I can tell the words of a lost man a mile away-if he speaks enough-thanks
to God. Yep, N.C it is Lance. Remember the gorge in the Movie "Deliverance"? I live in the next gorge above that one.The movie"Fugitive"starring Harrison Ford was filmed in my home town. The scene where Ford jumped from the Fontana Dam drain tunnel is the state of the gorge that the movie"Deliverance" was filmed in. Nick Searcy who starred in Fried Green Tomatoes" play in "Fugitive" and was the pretend cop in " Top Gun" also came from my home town-I train him in Jeet-Con-Do for the " Ninja Turtle"part-Years ago. "The Last Mohican" was also filmed here.But if you really want to see a good movie-get"Loves enduring promise" and part 2 "Love Comes Softly". Kevin, Judy, Christine, Izzy-watch these with you children. I had the joy of doing so with my daughter.- Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 14:37 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/4/2006 11:49:55 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?How interesting is the American love for the destruction of fellow humans!! One can ALMOST sense the hope that is within you that they won't, repent that is, so that your *LOW president can nuke 'em, eh?*Lord of War cd: Still playing the violent opponent bit huh,Lance?Ignor all the truth and focus on what supports your world view? Come to the Jesus we know and you shall have thelight of understanding.- Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 11:42 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/4/2006 10:35:55 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?That (those) foreign country (countries) did not attack the US, Dean. I've already written on the one that did (Saudi Arabia was the nation from which most of the hijackers came). You attack the wrong countries, Dean. cd:You have been fed misinformation,Come to know the Christ we know and you too will have delusions removed,Lance-Actually we attacked the Moslems extremists-Areyou
suggestingthere are not any Moslems extremists in Iraq or Afghanistan?Hopefully we are just warming up for ourFather of all wars-unless they repent-of course.I say take them all out while we can-unless they repent.- Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 07:21 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
cd:If that foreign country confronted and attacked the United States initially and was beyond reasoning-as far as coming to terms-then that country must except responsibility for their actions and the results of their actions.In the below you seemed to agree with protection one's family from danger-is this not also true for a country? If an aggressing Nation started killing citizens of a peaceful Nation-should this be allowed without defense?What if the aggressing Nation hid behind women and children and continued the act of aggression.Should we allow our women/children get rapesand/or killed when we could have stopped it?Before you judge our Nation as being evil Lance-remember we could take over the entire world as Rome did-but have choosen to help/feed the world instead-The U.S. has feed and clothed more people on the face of the earththen any other Nation ever has in history. Are there fractionswithin the
U.S.causing problems-Yes as Satan exists- but over all t he people in the U.S. are caring people. Is seems to me that all Nations complain until they need our help. What if Russia attacked Canada-for gains sake-do you think they haven't though of this?I believe they have and your closeness to the U.S. has deterred them.Think about it? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/3/2006 6:06:55 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Or Dean, if some foreign nation, say the United States of America, invaded your sovereign territory, killing thousands of your women and

Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 Spirits of truthtalk?




Please Dean. tell me that you don't play the banjo! 
:)

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dean 
  Moore 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 05, 2006 07:37
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 Spirits of 
  truthtalk?
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Lance 
Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 4:06:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' 
of truthtalk?

'Come to Jesus', Dean? How utterly presumptuous 
of you! North Carolina is it?
cd: I can tell the words of a lost man a mile 
away-if he speaks enough-thanks to God. Yep, N.C it is Lance. Remember the 
gorge in the Movie "Deliverance"? I live in the next gorge above that 
one.The movie"Fugitive"starring Harrison Ford was filmed in my 
home town. The scene where Ford jumped from the Fontana Dam drain tunnel is 
the state of the gorge that the movie"Deliverance" was filmed in. Nick 
Searcy who starred in Fried Green Tomatoes" play in "Fugitive" and was the 
pretend cop in " Top Gun" also came from my home town-I train him in 
Jeet-Con-Do for the " Ninja Turtle"part-Years ago. "The Last Mohican" was 
also filmed here.But if you really want to see a good movie-get"Loves enduring promise" and part 2 "Love Comes Softly". Kevin, Judy, Christine, Izzy-watch 
these with you children. I had the joy of doing so with my 
daughter.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dean 
  Moore 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 04, 2006 14:37
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' 
  of truthtalk?
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Lance 
Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 11:49:55 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 
'spirit' of truthtalk?

How interesting is the American love for 
the destruction of fellow humans!! One can ALMOST sense the hope that is 
within you that they won't, repent that is, so that your *LOW president 
can nuke 'em, eh?

*Lord of War
cd: Still playing the violent opponent bit 
huh,Lance?Ignor all the truth and focus on what supports your world 
view? Come to the Jesus we know and you shall have thelight of 
understanding.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dean Moore 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 04, 2006 11:42
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 
  'spirit' of truthtalk?
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 10:35:55 AM 

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 
'spirit' of truthtalk?

That (those) foreign country 
(countries) did not attack the US, Dean. I've already written on the 
one that did (Saudi Arabia was the nation from which most of the 
hijackers came). You attack the wrong countries, Dean.
cd:You have been fed 
misinformation,Come to know the Christ we know and you too will have 
delusions removed,Lance-Actually we attacked the Moslems 
extremists-Areyou suggestingthere are not any Moslems 
extremists in Iraq or Afghanistan?Hopefully we are just warming up 
for ourFather of all wars-unless they repent-of course.I say 
take them all out while we can-unless they 
repent.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dean Moore 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 04, 2006 
  07:21
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 
  'spirit' of truthtalk?
  
  
  cd:If that foreign country 
  confronted and attacked the United States initially and was beyond 
  reasoning-as far as coming to terms-then that country must 
  except responsibility for their actions and the results of their 
  actions.In the below you seemed to agree with protection one's 
  family from danger-is this not also true for a country? If an 
  aggressing Nation started killing citizens of a peaceful 
  Nation-should this be allowed without defense?What if the 
  aggressing Nation hid behind women and children and continued the 
  act of aggression.Should we allow our women/children get 
  rapesand/or killed when we could have stopped it?Before you 
  judge our Nation as being evil

Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?









- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 4:17:02 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

I do Christine but, these are not synonymous. Are they?
cd: It is the rapture that Lance doesn't believe in Christine. So some people-who believe in Christ-some where are going to be called up first from the graves and then those alive will be siezed up ( rupture=a derivative of theGreek for seized up) and changed in a moment to what has been described to be a body like Christ because they believe . But Lance doesn't believe this is going to happen-no matter what Jesus says.So Lance has no comfort with the below words because he does not believe the Bible.


1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. 

- Original Message - 
From: Christine Miller 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 04, 2006 14:46
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Wait a minute. You don't believe Jesus is returning?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 


Christine, some are some are not and, yes this one is. The so-called 'rapture' is a theological fiction. Look at the history of William Miller or JNDarby or LaHaye/Jenkins or Clarence Larkin or, or, or...

- Original Message - 
From: Christine Miller 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 04, 2006 01:10
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Lance wrote:the rapture is comingIs this a list of ideas that are ridiculous to you? You don't believe the rapture is coming, Lance?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 


The earth is flat, we did't actually go to the moon (it was shot in a movie studio), the moon is made of green cheese, the universe is geocentric, alien abductions proliferate, the rapture is coming, 6 day young earth creationism ought to be taught in schools (?), RCC is/is not Christian, US foreign policy is flawless,the trilateral commission works for the good of womankind, all TRUE believers understand scripture as it should be understood and all TRUE believers live sin free.

Of course facts matter and, they are not irrelevant.

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 03, 2006 06:16
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

Facts are such STUBBORN things

Are they irrelevant in your opinion?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Simply read the 'subject' along with the content ('spirit' - so much anger, judgmentalism, self-righteousness and pride!) of some of the posts of some. I rest my case your honor.

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 02, 2006 19:08
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

Some of those in Rwanda who perpetrated the genocide were believers.

WRONG AGAIN
Stop slurring Christians by trying to lump them in with Catholic KILLERS.
You play real loose with Facts. Are Facts irrelevant to you?

Maybe you need a program so you can tell apart the players?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53018-2002Sep22.html
Rwandan nuns were convicted of murder for their roles in the massacre of 7,000 Tutsis who sought protection at a Benedictine convent.

I think that means it was those loving catholics again!

Same old RC Church as it ever was:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4615171
an international court is trying several Catholic priests for their alleged role in the massacres, in which Hutus murdered 800,000 minority Tutsis and moderate Hutus

Catholic World News: http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=39498Kigali, Sep. 08, 2005 (CWNews.com) - Authorities in Rwanda have arrested a Belgian Catholic priest on charges related to the genocidal massacres of 1994. 

http://www.globalpolicy.org/intljustice/tribunals/rwanda/2004/0920priest.htm
Father Seromba's trial at the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda will revive heated debate about the role of the Catholic Church during the dark days of 1994. The Catholic hierarchy in Rwanda had close ties to extremist politicians in the run up to the genocide and some priests like Father Seromba are accused of actively assisting the Hutu militias. 
In

Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?




LANCE DOESN'T:
1. Believe the 'rapture AT Dean's teaching - this 
is correct
2. Believe what Jesus says - this is 
incorrect
3. (Derive) comfort from the quotations included in 
this post - this is incorrect

SOMETIMES SOME of the things said (meant) on TT are 
scarier than Count Floyd.
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Dean 
  Moore 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 05, 2006 08:12
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of 
  truthtalk?
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Lance 
Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 4:17:02 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' 
of truthtalk?

I do Christine but, these are not synonymous. 
Are they?
cd: It is the rapture that Lance 
doesn't believe in Christine. So some people-who believe in 
Christ-some where are going to be called up first from the graves and 
then those alive will be siezed up ( rupture=a derivative of theGreek 
for seized up) and changed in a moment to what has been described to be a 
body like Christ because they believe . But Lance doesn't believe this is 
going to happen-no matter what Jesus says.So Lance has no comfort with the 
below words because he does not believe the Bible.


1Th 4:13 But I would not have you 
to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye 
sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 

1Th 4:14 For if we believe that 
Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus 
will God bring with him. 
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the 
Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them 
which are asleep. 
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from 
heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of 
God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the 
Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 

1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these 
words. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Christine 
  Miller 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 04, 2006 14:46
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' 
  of truthtalk?
  Wait a minute. You don't believe Jesus is 
  returning?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 
  

Christine, some are some are not and, yes 
this one is. The so-called 'rapture' is a theological fiction. Look at 
the history of William Miller or JNDarby or LaHaye/Jenkins or Clarence 
Larkin or, or, or...

  - 
  Original Message - 
  From: 
  Christine Miller 
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: 
  March 04, 2006 01:10
  Subject: 
  Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
  Lance wrote:the rapture is 
  comingIs this a list of ideas that are ridiculous to you? You 
  don't believe the rapture is coming, Lance?Lance 
  Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 
  

The earth is flat, we did't actually go 
to the moon (it was shot in a movie studio), the moon is made of 
green cheese, the universe is geocentric, alien abductions 
proliferate, the rapture is coming, 6 day young earth creationism 
ought to be taught in schools (?), RCC is/is not Christian, US 
foreign policy is flawless,the trilateral commission works for 
the good of womankind, all TRUE believers understand scripture as it 
should be understood and all TRUE believers live sin 
free.

Of course facts matter and, they are 
not irrelevant.

  - 
  Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin Deegan 
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: 
  March 03, 2006 06:16
  Subject: 
  Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
  
  Facts are such STUBBORN things
  
  Are they irrelevant in your 
  opinion?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  

Simply read the 'subject' along 
with the content ('spirit' - so much anger, judgmentalism, 
self-righteousness and pride!) of some of the posts of some. I 
rest my case your honor.

  - 
  Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Double Minded Luther - RC (reformed catholic)




Seems to me that M. Luther took on the opponent he could win against-rather then the evil of the RCC.There was a man -I knew-years ago that had a reputation for being a tough fighter-but upon closer scrutiny one could see that he chose his fights and walked away from the tough men-to fight the easy men. I believe that he did so for abig name and it worked.




- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 4:33:03 PM 
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Double Minded Luther - RC (reformed catholic)

Luther never had the courage of his convictions. Apparently there were no convictions as far as his theology of civIl magistrates  the Church - States,rule on morals  conscience.
The bible says a Double minded man is unstable in all his ways!

In the beginning of his Reformation work, he said:
"No one can command or ought to command the soul except God, who alone can show it the way to heaven. It is futile and impossible to command, or by force to compel any mans belief. Heresy is a spiritual thing, which no iron can hew down, no fire burn, no water drown Whenever the temporal power presumes to legislate for the soul, it encroaches."

Later, iIn writing how dissenting preachers should be dealt with, he advised:
"Since it is not good that in one parish the people should be exposed to contradictory preaching, he [the magistrate] should order to be silent whatever does not consist with the Scriptures."

Luther made his appeal to the civil ruler as the final judge and arbiter of truth, (rather than scripture) and believed that heretics should be delivered to the civil magistrate for punishment. When the Anabaptists in the lands of the Reformation taught the doctrine of immersion as the proper Scriptural mode of baptism, and proclaimed infant baptism as utterly useless and without divine authority, the great Protestant Reformers applied the whip, the sword, the torch, the firebrand, as well as fines, confiscation of property, and the dungeon cell to these dissenters. When the Protestant sects resorted to the civil authorities to punish heresy, it was merely a case of religious tyranny changing hands under a new religious regime. Reformed Catholics believe in capital punishment for the crime of BELIEF in believers baptism. Interestingly NONE of the 95 THESES adressed the RC Church - State!
Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In writing to Menius and Myconius in 1530, Martin Luther favored applying the sword to the Anabaptists. He said:"I am pleased that you intend to publish a book against the Anabaptists as soon as possible. Since they are not only blasphemous, but also seditious men, let the sword exercise its rights over them, for it is the will of God that he shall have judgment who resisteth the power."

Calvin said godly princes may lawfully issue edicts, for compelling obstinate and rebellious persons to worship the true God, and to maintain the unity of the faith; for, though faith is voluntary, yet we see that such methods are useful for subduing the obstinacy of those who will not yield until they are compelled 

Compare to this:

The magistrate is not by virtue of his office to meddle with religion, or matters of conscience, to force or compel men to this or that form of religion, or doctrine; but to leave Christian religion free, to every mans con-science, and to handle only civil transgressions.- McGlothlin, Baptist Confession of Faith, p. 82. published in 1614

Baptist Leonard Busher, A Citizen of London, which was presented to King James and the high court of Parliament then sitting, a work entitled, Religions Peace, or A Plea for Liberty of Conscience. For all good shepherds will divide and separate, and not force, slay, and persecute, Busher declared. Kings and magistrates are to rule temporal affairs by the swords of their temporal kingdoms, and bishops and ministers are to rule spiritual affairs by the word and Spirit of God, the sword of Christs spiritual kingdom, and not to inter-meddle one with anothers authority, office, and function. And it is a great shame for the bishops and ministers not to be able to rule in their church without the assistance of the king and magistrate; yea, it is a great sign they are none of Christs bishops and ministers. If they were, they would not be afraid nor ashamed of their faith; nor yet would they persuade princes and people to persecute, and force one another to believe t
hem; but would use only the assistance of Gods word and Spirit, and therewith suffer their faith and doctrine to be examined, proved, and disputed, both by word and writing.Tracts on Liberty of Conscience, p. 23.

Baptist, John Murton, in 1615, wrote a treatise entitled, Persecution for Religion Judged and Condemned, and presented it to the king of England, No man ought to be persecuted for his religion, be it true or false, so they testify their faithful allegiance to the king. What authority can any mortal

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand

What you don't get in all of your mental gyrations and rationalizing is that the scriptures are "spiritually discerned" period. Your head is not up to the jobFirst one must set up a bunch of straw men caricatures as your assumptions. Such as Fundamentalists are hicks. Then the imagination can come up with all sorts of "enlightening" ideas. Problem is they are all based on a false premise (BTW Deb could not deal with the facts they are troubling to her fable based world view so she got out of the kitchen)For instance case in point Inherit the wind http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053946/ Based on NON reality yet most people BELIEVE this fairy tale/ fable version It is more fun than
reality See how the intelligensia trip over themselves calling it BRILLIANT LOL what a Brilliant FABLE? Fascinating "fictionalized account"? LOL http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/scopes/SCO_INHE.HTM ROTFLIN FACT the textbook at the center of the controversy was horrific Hunter's Civic Biology CHECK IT OUT http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/scopes/hunt192.htm It taught the pseudo"SCIENCE" of EUGENICS! ..."Hundreds of families such as those described above exist today, spreading disease, immorality, and crime to all parts of this country Just as certain animals or plants become parasitic on other plants or animals, these families
have become parasitic on society" (Hunter 1914 p. 263). The lower forms of humanity should not procreate but be sterilaized or put in asylums Among other SHOCKING details. The WHITE RACE is "the highest type of race" (Hunter 1914 p. 196). http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/scopes/hunt196.htmIf you are interested in TRUTH rather than FABLE see these the referenced links on those pages.Follow the trail of Public school "Biology" to Eugenics US Goverment FINANCED Eugenics http://www.amphilsoc.org/library/mole/e/ero.htm Funding of Eugenics in America http://www.eugenics-watch.com/roots/chap12.html Nazzi (it was a natural progression) http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/021500-02.htm It began on long Island and never really ended at Auschwitz http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/FACTS The Christians are demonized, while the evolutionists are made to be the heroes.Christians objected to the racism and eugenics associated with the evolutionary movement of the early 20th century, the scientific folks bought into EUGENICS and we all know where that lead. Hold yur breath you lower form jews.FACTS can be FASCINATING THINGS! http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/scopes.html http://print.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft9702/iannone.html http://www.doesgodexist.org/SepOct96/ExposingTheLieInheritTheWind.html http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i1/scopes.asp http://www.bible.ca/ef/topical-the-big-lie-of-inherit-the-wind.htm http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v12/i3/summer.aspLOOKS like the gullible are actually the psuedo INTELLIGENSIA who have swallowed the LIE and ended up really Inheriting the wind! The highminded are very prideful about there superiority in things
too high for you 'others' to really grasp (watch out they may try to put you away inteligensia Eugenics) Pride goeth before a FALL!Prov 11:29 He that troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind: and the fool shall be servant to the wise of heart.It is also interesting how riddled with holes this is, I guess that is why the intelligensia must create caricatures/fables can't deal with the facts as they are. See also new bibles... Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Judy gets what is important and so does Dean What you don't get in all of your mental gyrations and rationalizing is that the scriptures are "spiritually discerned" period. Your head is not up to the jobOn Sun, 5 Mar 2006 06:53:44 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: March 04, 2006 17:25 Subject: RE:
[TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhandYes! Your post below nailed the issue. Dean rivals Judy for not getting stuff.How cutethat he thinksyou need rescue!D-
Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/4/2006 11:39:55 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand'MY' religion, Dean? Thereafter Dean, you assure me that no matter what I might say you will show me differently. Of course you will, Dean. That's the very point I've been making all along, Dean. cd: aah, but we can support what we say with the word of God Lance-can you?By the way this is what you group did to Judy, Lance-How does it feel to have a group of debaters
pressing you at one time?I suspect David will help you out soon. --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.2/274 - Release Date: 3/3/2006
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Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 Spirits of truthtalk?

Mocking is OK for the INTELIGENSIA Only though. They are the only ones who get the pointLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please Dean. tell me that you don't play the banjo! :)- Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 05, 2006 07:37 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 Spirits of truthtalk?- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/4/2006 4:06:00 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?'Come to Jesus', Dean? How utterly presumptuous of you! North Carolina is it? cd: I can tell the words of a lost man a mile away-if he speaks enough-thanks to God. Yep, N.C it is Lance. Remember the gorge in the Movie "Deliverance"? I live in the next gorge above that one.The movie"Fugitive"starring Harrison Ford was filmed in my home town. The scene where Ford jumped from the Fontana Dam drain tunnel is the state of the gorge that the movie"Deliverance" was filmed in. Nick Searcy who starred in Fried Green Tomatoes" play in "Fugitive" and was the pretend cop in " Top Gun" also came from my home town-I train him in Jeet-Con-Do for the " Ninja Turtle"part-Years ago. "The Last Mohican" was also filmed here.But if you really want to see a good movie-get"Loves enduring promise" and part 2 "Love Comes Softly". Kevin, Judy, Christine, Izzy-watch these with you children. I
had the joy of doing so with my daughter.- Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 14:37 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/4/2006 11:49:55 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?How interesting is the American love for the destruction of fellow humans!! One can ALMOST sense the hope that is within you that they won't, repent that is, so that your *LOW president can nuke 'em, eh?*Lord of War cd: Still playing the
violent opponent bit huh,Lance?Ignor all the truth and focus on what supports your world view? Come to the Jesus we know and you shall have thelight of understanding.- Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 11:42 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/4/2006 10:35:55 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?That (those) foreign country (countries) did not attack the US, Dean. I've already written on the one that did (Saudi Arabia was the nation from which most of the hijackers came). You attack the wrong countries, Dean. cd:You have been fed misinformation,Come to know the Christ we know and you too will have delusions removed,Lance-Actually we attacked the Moslems extremists-Areyou suggestingthere are not any Moslems extremists in Iraq or Afghanistan?Hopefully we are just warming up for ourFather of all wars-unless they repent-of course.I say take them all out while we can-unless they repent.- Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 04, 2006 07:21 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk? cd:If that foreign country confronted and attacked the United States initially and was beyond reasoning-as far as coming to terms-then that country must except responsibility for their actions and the results of their actions.In the below you seemed to agree with protection one's family from danger-is this not also true for a country? If an aggressing Nation started killing citizens of a peaceful Nation-should this be allowed without defense?What if the aggressing Nation hid behind women and children and continued the act of aggression.Should we allow our women/children get rapesand/or killed when we could have stopped it?Before you judge our Nation as being evil Lance-remember we could take over the entire world as Rome did-but have
choosen to help/feed the world instead-The U.S. has feed and clothed more people on the face of the earththen any other Nation ever has in history. Are there fractionswithin the U.S.causing problems-Yes as Satan exists- but over all t he people in the U.S. are caring people. Is seems to me that all Nations complain until they need our help. What if Russia attacked Canada-for gains sake-do you think they haven't though of this?I believe they have and your closeness to the U.S. has deterred them.Think about it? - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/3/2006 6:06:55 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Or Dean, if some foreign nation, say the United States of America, invaded your sovereign territory, killing thousands of your women and children..??You illustrate my point to Christine well, Dean.

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Double Minded Luther - RC (reformed catholic)

Luther made his appeal to the civil ruler as the final judge and arbiter of truth  The Baptists pointed to the Holy Bible - Sword of the Spirit as the TRUTH Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Seems to me that M. Luther took on the opponent he could win against-rather then the evil of the RCC.There was a man -I knew-years ago that had a reputation for being a tough fighter-but upon closer scrutiny one could see that he chose his fights and walked away from the tough men-to fight the easy men. I believe that he did so for abig name and it worked.  - Original Message -   From: Kevin Deegan   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Sent: 3/4/2006 4:33:03 PM   Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Double Minded Luther - RC (reformed catholic)Luther never had the courage of his convictions. Apparently there were no convictions as far as his theology of civIl magistrates  the Church - States,rule on morals  conscience.  The bible says a Double minded man is unstable in all his ways!In the
 beginning of his Reformation work, he said:  "No one can command or ought to command the soul except God, who alone can show it the way to heaven. It is futile and impossible to command, or by force to compel any mans belief. Heresy is a spiritual thing, which no iron can hew down, no fire burn, no water drown Whenever the temporal power presumes to legislate for the soul, it encroaches."Later, iIn writing how dissenting preachers should be dealt with, he advised:  "Since it is not good that in one parish the people should be exposed to contradictory preaching, he [the magistrate] should order to be silent whatever does not consist with the Scriptures."Luther made his appeal to the civil ruler as the final judge and arbiter of truth, (rather than scripture) and believed that heretics should be delivered to the civil magistrate for punishment. When the Anabaptists
 in the lands of the Reformation taught the doctrine of immersion as the proper Scriptural mode of baptism, and proclaimed infant baptism as utterly useless and without divine authority, the great Protestant Reformers applied the whip, the sword, the torch, the firebrand, as well as fines, confiscation of property, and the dungeon cell to these dissenters. When the Protestant sects resorted to the civil authorities to punish heresy, it was merely a case of religious tyranny changing hands under a new religious regime. Reformed Catholics believe in capital punishment for the crime of BELIEF in believers baptism. Interestingly NONE of the 95 THESES adressed the RC Church - State!  Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In writing to Menius and Myconius in 1530, Martin Luther favored
 applying the sword to the Anabaptists. He said:"I am pleased that you intend to publish a book against the Anabaptists as soon as possible. Since they are not only blasphemous, but also seditious men, let the sword exercise its rights over them, for it is the will of God that he shall have judgment who resisteth the power."Calvin said godly princes may lawfully issue edicts, for compelling obstinate and rebellious persons to worship the true God, and to maintain the unity of the faith; for, though faith is voluntary, yet we see that such methods are useful for subduing the obstinacy of those who will not yield until they are compelled Compare to this:The magistrate is not by virtue of his office to meddle with religion, or matters of conscience, to force or compel men to this or that form of religion, or doctrine; but to leave Christian religion free, to every mans con-science, and to handle only civil transgressions.- McGlothlin, Baptist Confession of Faith, p. 82. published in 1614Baptist Leonard Busher, A Citizen of London, which was presented to King James and the high court of Parliament then sitting, a work entitled, Religions Peace, or A Plea for Liberty of Conscience. For all good shepherds will divide and separate, and not force, slay, and persecute, Busher declared. Kings and magistrates are to rule temporal affairs by the swords of their temporal kingdoms, and bishops and ministers are to rule spiritual
 affairs by the word and Spirit of God, the sword of Christs spiritual kingdom, and not to inter-meddle one with anothers authority, office, and function. And it is a great shame for the bishops and ministers not to be able to rule in their church without the assistance of the king and magistrate; yea, it is a great sign they are none of Christs bishops and ministers. If they were, they would not be afraid nor ashamed of their faith; nor yet would they persuade princes and people to persecute, and force one another to believe t hem; but would use only the assistance of Gods word and Spirit, and therewith suffer their faith and doctrine to be examined, proved, and disputed, both by word and writing.Tracts on Liberty of Conscience, p. 23.Baptist, John Murton, in 1615, wrote a treatise entitled, Persecution

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Double Minded Luther - RC (reformed catholic)

Stephen Seagal?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dean 
  Moore 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Sent: March 05, 2006 08:22
  Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Double 
  Minded Luther - RC (reformed catholic)

  Seems to me that M. Luther took on the 
  opponent he could win against-rather then the evil of the RCC.There was a man 
  -I knew-years ago that had a reputation for being a tough fighter-but upon 
  closer scrutiny one could see that he chose his fights and walked away from 
  the tough men-to fight the easy men. I believe that he did so for abig 
  name and it worked.

- Original Message - 
From: 
Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 4:33:03 PM 
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Double 
Minded Luther - RC (reformed catholic)

Luther never had the courage of his convictions. Apparently there were 
no convictions as far as his theology of civIl magistrates  the Church 
- States,rule on morals  conscience.
The bible says a Double minded man is unstable in all his ways!

In the beginning of his Reformation work, he said:
"No one can command or ought to command the soul except God, who 
alone can show it the way to heaven. It is futile and impossible to command, 
or by force to compel any mans belief. Heresy is a spiritual thing, which 
no iron can hew down, no fire burn, no water drown Whenever the temporal 
power presumes to legislate for the soul, it encroaches."

Later, iIn writing how dissenting preachers should be dealt with, he 
advised:
"Since it is not good that in one parish the people should be exposed 
to contradictory preaching, he [the magistrate] should order to be 
silent whatever does not consist with the Scriptures."

Luther made his appeal to the civil ruler as the final judge 
and arbiter of truth, (rather than scripture) and believed that 
heretics should be delivered to the civil magistrate for punishment. When 
the Anabaptists in the lands of the Reformation taught the doctrine of 
immersion as the proper Scriptural mode of baptism, and proclaimed 
infant baptism as utterly useless and without divine authority, the 
great Protestant Reformers applied the whip, the sword, the torch, the 
firebrand, as well as fines, confiscation of property, and the dungeon cell 
to these dissenters. When the Protestant sects resorted to the civil 
authorities to punish heresy, it was merely a case of religious tyranny 
changing hands under a new religious regime. Reformed Catholics believe in 
capital punishment for the crime of BELIEF in believers baptism. 
Interestingly NONE of the 95 THESES adressed the RC Church - 
State!
Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  In writing to Menius and Myconius in 1530, Martin 
  Luther favored applying the sword to the Anabaptists. He 
  said:"I am pleased that you intend to 
  publish a book against the Anabaptists as soon as possible. Since they are 
  not only blasphemous, but also seditious men, let the sword 
  exercise its rights over them, for it is the will of God that he shall 
  have judgment who resisteth the power."

  Calvin said godly princes may lawfully 
  issue edicts, for compelling obstinate and rebellious persons to 
  worship the true God, and to maintain the unity of the faith; for, 
  though faith is voluntary, yet we see that such methods are useful for 
  subduing the obstinacy of those who will not yield until they are 
  compelled 

  Compare to this:

  The 
  magistrate is not by virtue of his office to meddle with religion, or 
  matters of conscience, to force or compel men to this or that form of 
  religion, or doctrine; but to leave Christian religion free, to every 
  mans con-science, and to handle only civil transgressions.- McGlothlin, 
  Baptist Confession of Faith, p. 82. published in 
1614

  Baptist Leonard Busher, A Citizen of London, which 
  was presented to King James and the high court of Parliament then sitting, 
  a work entitled, Religions Peace, or A Plea for Liberty of Conscience. 
  For all good shepherds will divide and separate, 
  and not force, slay, and persecute, Busher declared. Kings and 
  magistrates are to rule temporal affairs by the swords of their temporal 
  kingdoms, and bishops and ministers are to rule spiritual affairs by 
  the word and Spirit of God, the sword of Christs spiritual kingdom, 
  and not to inter-meddle one with anothers authority, office, and 
  function. And it is a great shame for the bishops and ministers not to be 
  able to rule in their church without the assistance of the king and 
  magistrate; yea, it is a great sign they are none of Christs bishops 
  and

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand




Recommended reading for the newly identified 
'non-f' and, 'non-h'

Christian Zionism Road-map to Armageddon?- 
Stephen Sizer
On the Road to Armageddon - How Evangelicals Became 
Israel's Best Friend - Timothy P. Weber
The Trinity  Subordinationism - The Doctrine 
of God  the Contemporary Gender Debate - Kevin Giles

Thinking can be hard work!

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin 
  Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 05, 2006 08:49
  Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: 
  sinnersinhand
  
  What you don't get in all of your mental gyrations 
  and rationalizing is that
  the scriptures are "spiritually discerned" 
  period. Your head is not up to the job
  
  First one must set up a bunch of straw men  caricatures as your 
  assumptions.
  Such as Fundamentalists are hicks.
  Then the imagination can come up with all sorts of "enlightening" 
  ideas.
  Problem is they are all based on a false premise
  (BTW Deb could not deal with the facts they are troubling to her fable 
  based world view so she got out of the kitchen)
  
  For instance case in point
  Inherit the wind
  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053946/
  Based on NON reality yet most people BELIEVE this fairy tale/ fable 
  version
  It is more fun than reality
  See how the intelligensia trip over themselves calling it BRILLIANT 
  LOL
  what a Brilliant FABLE? Fascinating "fictionalized account"? LOL
  http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/scopes/SCO_INHE.HTM
  ROTFL
  
  IN FACT the textbook at the center of the controversy was horrific
  Hunter's Civic Biology CHECK IT OUT
  http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/scopes/hunt192.htm
  It taught the pseudo"SCIENCE" of EUGENICS!
  ..."Hundreds of families such as those described above exist today, 
  spreading disease, immorality, and crime to all parts of this country Just 
  as certain animals or plants become parasitic on other plants or animals, 
  these families have become parasitic on society" (Hunter 1914 
  p. 263).
  The lower forms of humanity should not procreate but be sterilaized or 
  put in asylums
  Among other SHOCKING details.
  The WHITE RACE is "the highest type of race" (Hunter 
  1914 p. 196).
  http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/scopes/hunt196.htm
  
  If you are interested in TRUTH rather than FABLE see these  the 
  referenced links on those pages.
  
  Follow the trail of Public school "Biology" to Eugenics 
   US Goverment FINANCED Eugenics http://www.amphilsoc.org/library/mole/e/ero.htm
   Funding of Eugenics in America http://www.eugenics-watch.com/roots/chap12.html
   Nazzi (it was a natural progression) http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/021500-02.htm
  It began on long Island and never really ended at Auschwitz http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/
  
  FACTS The Christians are demonized, while the evolutionists are made to 
  be the heroes.Christians objected to the racism and eugenics associated 
  with the evolutionary movement of the early 20th century, the scientific folks 
  bought into EUGENICS and we all know where that lead. Hold yur breath you 
  lower form jews.
  
  FACTS can be FASCINATING THINGS!
  http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/scopes.html
  http://print.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft9702/iannone.html
  http://www.doesgodexist.org/SepOct96/ExposingTheLieInheritTheWind.html
  http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i1/scopes.asp
  http://www.bible.ca/ef/topical-the-big-lie-of-inherit-the-wind.htm
  http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v12/i3/summer.asp
  
  LOOKS like the gullible are actually the psuedo INTELLIGENSIA who 
  have swallowed the LIE and ended up really Inheriting the wind!
  The highminded are very prideful about there superiority in 
  things too high for you 'others' to really grasp (watch out they may try to 
  put you away inteligensia Eugenics)
  Pride goeth before a 
  FALL!
  
  Prov 11:29 He that troubleth his own house 
  shall inherit the wind: and the fool shall be servant to the wise of 
  heart.
  
  It is also interesting how riddled with holes 
  this is, I guess that is why the intelligensia must create caricatures/fables 
  can't deal with the facts as they are.
  See also new bibles...
  Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  



Judy gets what is important and so does 
Dean
What you don't get in all of your mental gyrations 
and rationalizing is that
the scriptures are "spiritually discerned" 
period. Your head is not up to the job

On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 06:53:44 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  - Original Message - 
  From: Debbie Sawczak 
  
  To: 'Lance Muir' 
  Sent: March 04, 2006 17:25
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand
  
  Yes! Your post below nailed the issue. Dean rivals Judy for 
  not getting stuff.
  
  How cutethat he thinksyou need 
  rescue!
  
  D

Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 Spirits of truthtalk?

Intelligentsia (INTELIGENSIA - SP)

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin 
  Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Sent: March 05, 2006 08:51
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 Spirits of 
  truthtalk?

  Mocking is OK for the INTELIGENSIA Only though.
  They are the only ones who get the pointLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:

Please Dean. tell me that you don't play the 
banjo! :)

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dean 
  Moore 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Sent: March 05, 2006 07:37
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 
  Spirits of truthtalk?

- Original Message - 
From: 
Lance 
Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 4:06:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 
'spirit' of truthtalk?

'Come to Jesus', Dean? How utterly 
presumptuous of you! North Carolina is it?
cd: I can tell the words of a lost man a 
mile away-if he speaks enough-thanks to God. Yep, N.C it is Lance. 
Remember the gorge in the Movie "Deliverance"? I live in the next gorge 
above that one.The movie"Fugitive"starring Harrison Ford was 
filmed in my home town. The scene where Ford jumped from the Fontana Dam 
drain tunnel is the state of the gorge that the movie"Deliverance" was 
filmed in. Nick Searcy who starred in Fried Green Tomatoes" play in 
"Fugitive" and was the pretend cop in " Top Gun" also came from my home 
town-I train him in Jeet-Con-Do for the " Ninja Turtle"part-Years ago. 
"The Last Mohican" was also filmed here.But if you really want to see a 
good movie-get"Loves enduring promise" and 
part 2 "Love Comes Softly". Kevin, Judy, 
Christine, Izzy-watch these with you children. I had the joy of doing so 
with my daughter.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dean Moore 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Sent: March 04, 2006 14:37
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 
  'spirit' of truthtalk?

- Original Message - 
From: 
Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 11:49:55 AM 

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 
'spirit' of truthtalk?

How interesting is the American love 
for the destruction of fellow humans!! One can ALMOST sense the hope 
that is within you that they won't, repent that is, so that your 
*LOW president can nuke 'em, eh?

*Lord of War
cd: Still playing the violent opponent bit 
huh,Lance?Ignor all the truth and focus on what supports your world 
view? Come to the Jesus we know and you shall have thelight of 
understanding.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dean Moore 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Sent: March 04, 2006 
  11:42
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 
  'spirit' of truthtalk?

- Original Message - 

From: 
Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 10:35:55 AM 

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 
The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

That (those) foreign country 
(countries) did not attack the US, Dean. I've already written on 
the one that did (Saudi Arabia was the nation from which most of 
the hijackers came). You attack the wrong countries, 
Dean.
cd:You have been fed 
misinformation,Come to know the Christ we know and you too will 
have delusions removed,Lance-Actually we attacked 
the Moslems extremists-Areyou suggestingthere are 
not any Moslems extremists in Iraq or Afghanistan?Hopefully we 
are just warming up for ourFather of all wars-unless they 
repent-of course.I say take them all out while we can-unless 
they repent.

  - Original Message - 

  From: 
  Dean Moore 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Sent: March 04, 2006 
  07:21
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]

Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 Spirits of truthtalk?

2006-03-05 Thread Judy Taylor




No problem with spelling - We read him loud and clear - 
You go KD!!!

On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 09:09:30 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Intelligentsia (INTELIGENSIA - SP)
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: March 05, 2006 08:51
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 Spirits 
of truthtalk?

Mocking is OK for the INTELIGENSIA Only though.
They are the only ones who get the pointLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  
  Please Dean. tell me that you don't play the 
  banjo! :)
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: March 05, 2006 07:37
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 
Spirits of truthtalk?







  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Lance Muir 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: 3/4/2006 4:06:00 PM 
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 
  'spirit' of truthtalk?
  
  'Come to Jesus', Dean? How utterly 
  presumptuous of you! North Carolina is it?
  cd: I can tell the words of a lost man a 
  mile away-if he speaks enough-thanks to God. Yep, N.C it is Lance. 
  Remember the gorge in the Movie "Deliverance"? I live in the next 
  gorge above that one.The movie"Fugitive"starring Harrison 
  Ford was filmed in my home town. The scene where Ford jumped from the 
  Fontana Dam drain tunnel is the state of the gorge that the 
  movie"Deliverance" was filmed in. Nick Searcy who starred in Fried 
  Green Tomatoes" play in "Fugitive" and was the pretend cop in " Top 
  Gun" also came from my home town-I train him in Jeet-Con-Do for the " 
  Ninja Turtle"part-Years ago. "The Last Mohican" was also filmed 
  here.But if you really want to see a good movie-get"Loves enduring promise" and part 2 "Love Comes Softly". Kevin, Judy, Christine, 
  Izzy-watch these with you children. I had the joy of doing so with my 
  daughter.
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: March 04, 2006 
14:37
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 
'spirit' of truthtalk?







  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Lance Muir 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: 3/4/2006 11:49:55 AM 
  
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 
  'spirit' of truthtalk?
  
  How interesting is the American love 
  for the destruction of fellow humans!! One can ALMOST sense the 
  hope that is within you that they won't, repent that is, so that 
  your *LOW president can nuke 'em, eh?
  
  *Lord of War
  cd: Still playing the violent opponent bit 
  huh,Lance?Ignor all the truth and focus on what supports your 
  world view? Come to the Jesus we know and you shall have 
  thelight of understanding.
  
- Original Message - 

From: 
Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: March 04, 2006 
11:42
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 
The 'spirit' of truthtalk?







  - Original Message - 
  
  From: 
  Lance Muir 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: 3/4/2006 10:35:55 
  AM 
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 
  The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
  
  That (those) foreign country 
  (countries) did not attack the US, Dean. I've already written 
  on the one that did (Saudi Arabia was the nation from which 
  most of the hijackers came). You attack the wrong countries, 
  Dean.
  cd:You have been 
  fed misinformation,Come to know the Christ we know and you too 
  will have delusions removed,Lance-Actually we 
  attacked the Moslems extremists-Areyou 
  suggestingthere are not any Moslems extremists in Iraq 
  or Afghanistan?Hopefully we are just warming up for 
  ourFather of all wars-unless they repent-of course.I say

Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 Spirits of truthtalk?




"you go KD' Whodathunkit..shades of 
Oprah!

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 05, 2006 09:50
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 Spirits of 
  truthtalk?
  
  No problem with spelling - We read him loud and clear 
  - You go KD!!!
  
  On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 09:09:30 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:
  
Intelligentsia (INTELIGENSIA - SP)

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin Deegan 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 05, 2006 08:51
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 
  Spirits of truthtalk?
  
  Mocking is OK for the INTELIGENSIA Only though.
  They are the only ones who get the pointLance Muir 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  

Please Dean. tell me that you don't play 
the banjo! :)

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dean Moore 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 05, 2006 07:37
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 
  Spirits of truthtalk?
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 4:06:00 PM 

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 
'spirit' of truthtalk?

'Come to Jesus', Dean? How utterly 
presumptuous of you! North Carolina is it?
cd: I can tell the words of a lost man 
a mile away-if he speaks enough-thanks to God. Yep, N.C it is Lance. 
Remember the gorge in the Movie "Deliverance"? I live in the next 
gorge above that one.The movie"Fugitive"starring 
Harrison Ford was filmed in my home town. The scene where Ford 
jumped from the Fontana Dam drain tunnel is the state of the gorge 
that the movie"Deliverance" was filmed in. Nick Searcy who starred 
in Fried Green Tomatoes" play in "Fugitive" and was the pretend cop 
in " Top Gun" also came from my home town-I train him in Jeet-Con-Do 
for the " Ninja Turtle"part-Years ago. "The Last Mohican" was also 
filmed here.But if you really want to see a good movie-get"Loves enduring promise" and part 2 "Love Comes Softly". Kevin, Judy, Christine, 
Izzy-watch these with you children. I had the joy of doing so with 
my daughter.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dean Moore 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 04, 2006 
  14:37
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 
  'spirit' of truthtalk?
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - 

From: 
Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 11:49:55 AM 

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 
The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

How interesting is the American 
love for the destruction of fellow humans!! One can ALMOST sense 
the hope that is within you that they won't, repent that is, so 
that your *LOW president can nuke 'em, eh?

*Lord of War
cd: Still playing the violent opponent bit 
huh,Lance?Ignor all the truth and focus on what supports your 
world view? Come to the Jesus we know and you shall have 
thelight of understanding.

  - Original Message - 
  
  From: 
  Dean Moore 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 04, 2006 
  11:42
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 
  The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - 

From: 
Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 10:35:55 
AM 
Subject: Re: 
[TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

That (those) foreign country 
(countries) did not attack the US, Dean. I've already 
written on the one that did (Saudi Arabia was the nation

RE: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

Bible quiz: Where does scripture say that violence is always a sin? Izzy

Matt 11:12  And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of
heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Moore
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:08 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

 [Original Message]
 From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Date: 3/4/2006 11:17:31 AM
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

 Sure Dean, I don't know if I like the tone used in reference to me,
David'. 
 Given your history Dean, I actually interpreted this as an implicit
threat. 
 No kidding Dean, once a person, in this case you, has shown a capacity
for 
 violence (thus my remark later to DM/CM as an example of violence issuing 
 from a believer - something they seemed to believe impossible) I'm alert
to 
 the possibility of it once again.  OK?

cd; A little twisting of truth-to your favor-and play it to the hilt-huh,
Lance?Tell me what violence have you ever seen me do?

 - Original Message - 
 From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: March 04, 2006 10:57
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

  cd: Please explain this remark Lance?

  [Original Message]
  From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Date: 3/4/2006 6:14:53 AM
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

  Can anyone other than me hear the implicit threat herein? This, DM/CM
is
  that to which I made reference.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: March 03, 2006 17:34
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

   [Original Message]
   From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
   Date: 3/1/2006 1:12:39 PM
   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

   Lance wrote:
Believers in all religions are equal opportunity
'throat slitters', Christine. You, Christine, did
not threaten such action. Do I believe, under
some circumstance, you capable of it? I do.
Christine: If you missed the whole business of
our 'moderate' (tor) actually threatening to show
up at someone's door in order to do physical
violence to them then, ask your dad for an update.
It may be that you, IMO wrongly, believe yourself
incapable of anger that might lead to some form of
harm-doing (verbally/physically). Don't be grieved.

   Lance, you just don't know who you are talking to.  Christine is not
   capable
   of this.  Ridiculous.  Christine has never even met Dean, so why
would
   you
   even associate her with a comment that Dean made?
   cd: I don't know if I like the tone used in reference to me David. I
   remind
   you that you do not know me, nor does Lance.I situation Lance is
bring
  up
   was in sexual reference to my wife who I am told to provide
for-which 
   is
   including protection from evil.

   David Miller

   --
   Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you 
   may
   know how you ought to answer every man.  (Colossians 4:6)
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   --
   Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you
may
   know how you ought to answer every man.  (Colossians 4:6)
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  --
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  know how you ought to answer every man.  (Colossians 4:6) 
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 Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
know how you ought

RE: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance









Yes, Judy is VERY Southerntry
Austrialia! Iz











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Moore
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006
1:20 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk]
Continuing repentance































- Original Message - 





From: Lance Muir






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org





Sent: 3/4/2006 11:26:37
AM 





Subject: Re: Fw:
[TruthTalk] Continuing repentance











First Dean, that was not the point of my reference. What
does it say of you that your mind would go to that part of the film? I showed
someone the trailer yesterday so as to demonstrate the clash of cultures.





cd: Be honest Lance. This
posting you sent clearly showyour believe/bias that southern women (Judy)
are as the women of the movie Deliverance which would lead one to
believe the southern men are as the men in the movie that had sex with pigs- as
you made the last of the sentence (Anyone see 'Deliverance' (circa 1972)?connect with the first part of the sentence(.You can take the (wo)man out of the south but...) . If you were insinuation something differently then say so? I am
all ears?Did you mean to insult our women (Judy)or not Lance?





Lance wrote:







You can take the (wo)man out of the south butAnyone see
'Deliverance' (circa 1972)?









- Original Message - 





From: Dean Moore






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: March 04, 2006
11:20





Subject: Re: Fw:
[TruthTalk] Continuing repentance



































- Original Message - 





From: Lance Muir






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org





Sent: 3/4/2006 10:33:05
AM 





Subject: Re: Fw:
[TruthTalk] Continuing repentance











Why is that Kevin? Did you see the film?





cd:Lance why are you
answering my post as to Kevin and Kevin's posts as to
Dean? Yes I have seen both Deliverance (Burt
Reynolds)-it was filmed a couple of miles from my house- and Lord of
War(Nich. Cage).And as to your suggest-we do not have sex with pigs-so
cut it out!







- Original Message - 





From: Dean Moore






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: March 04, 2006
07:38





Subject: Re: Fw:
[TruthTalk] Continuing repentance













cd: Lance, I reject what
you are suggesting. People from Canada
that speak this way will only hurt their own Nation -in time.





















- Original Message - 





From: Lance Muir






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org





Sent: 3/4/2006 5:53:28
AM 





Subject: Re: Fw:
[TruthTalk] Continuing repentance











You can take the (wo)man out of the south butAnyone see
'Deliverance' (circa 1972)?







- Original Message - 





From: Kevin
Deegan 





To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: March 04, 2006
01:25





Subject: Re: Fw:
[TruthTalk] Continuing repentance











Do you have a reference
for us concerningthese cages Luther used?





see following BUT Keep in mind these guys
were first REFORMED Catholics (eg REFORMERS one and all) who later
converted to Anabaptism in addition in their later lives they got involved in
polygamy. You can take the man out of Roman Catholicism, it is much harder to
take the Roman Catholicism out of the man!











http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_Knipperdolling





From June 24 - 25, 1535, the Bishop, with
the aid of the deserter Henry
Gresbeck, retook M|nster. Knipperdolling, Bockelson and Bernhard Krechting were
imprisoned and interrogated. In On January
22, 1536,
Knipperdolling, Krechting, and Bockelson were publicly tortured and executed
in M|nster.
Their corpses were suspended in a cage from the
Lambertuskirche (St. Lambert's
Church), which had been the initial focus of the Anabaptist revolution.





Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

 [Original Message]
 From: David Miller 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
 Date: 2/26/2006 11:58:10 PM
 Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance

 RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fw: Continuing repentancecd wrote:
  Judy did you know that M.Luther had Street
  Preachers put in oversize bird cages and
  hung up in the church even on Sunday morning
  while he and his followers worshiped God.

 I hope you understand that not all Anabaptists were good street
preachers. 
 Some of them were polygamists who did not recognize the marriage contract
of 
 Lutherans or Roman Catholics. Do you have a reference for us concerning 
 these cages Luther used?
cd:To my understanding the Street Preachers Luther had put in bird cages
were not polygamist-they preach the gospel of Jesus Christ. But if that is
how a Christian is suppose to act then should I take a cage with me on my
next trip (Lord willing) to Salt Lake
  City and grab the nearest Mormon I
see crossing the street with two wives and put him in the cage and hang him
up in the Wesleyan
 Church and maybe my
brethren will think highly of me
also? My reference for this statement is Ron

Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

Eph 4:26

- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 05, 2006 10:09
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

Bible quiz: Where does scripture say that violence is always a sin? Izzy

Matt 11:12  And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of
heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Moore
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:08 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

[Original Message]
From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Date: 3/4/2006 11:17:31 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

Sure Dean, I don't know if I like the tone used in reference to me,

David'.

Given your history Dean, I actually interpreted this as an implicit

threat.

No kidding Dean, once a person, in this case you, has shown a capacity

for

violence (thus my remark later to DM/CM as an example of violence issuing
from a believer - something they seemed to believe impossible) I'm alert

to

the possibility of it once again.  OK?

cd; A little twisting of truth-to your favor-and play it to the hilt-huh,
Lance?Tell me what violence have you ever seen me do?

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 04, 2006 10:57
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

 cd: Please explain this remark Lance?

 [Original Message]
 From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Date: 3/4/2006 6:14:53 AM
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

 Can anyone other than me hear the implicit threat herein? This, DM/CM

is

 that to which I made reference.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: March 03, 2006 17:34
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

  [Original Message]
  From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Date: 3/1/2006 1:12:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

  Lance wrote:
   Believers in all religions are equal opportunity
   'throat slitters', Christine. You, Christine, did
   not threaten such action. Do I believe, under
   some circumstance, you capable of it? I do.
   Christine: If you missed the whole business of
   our 'moderate' (tor) actually threatening to show
   up at someone's door in order to do physical
   violence to them then, ask your dad for an update.
   It may be that you, IMO wrongly, believe yourself
   incapable of anger that might lead to some form of
   harm-doing (verbally/physically). Don't be grieved.

  Lance, you just don't know who you are talking to.  Christine is 
  not

  capable
  of this.  Ridiculous.  Christine has never even met Dean, so why

would

  you
  even associate her with a comment that Dean made?
  cd: I don't know if I like the tone used in reference to me David. I
  remind
  you that you do not know me, nor does Lance.I situation Lance is

bring

 up
  was in sexual reference to my wife who I am told to provide

for-which

  is
  including protection from evil.

  David Miller

  --
  Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you
  may
  know how you ought to answer every man.  (Colossians 4:6)
  http://www.InnGlory.org

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  --
  Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you

may

  know how you ought to answer every man.  (Colossians 4:6)
  http://www.InnGlory.org

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 --
 Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you 
 may

 know how you ought to answer every man.  (Colossians 4:6)
 http://www.InnGlory.org

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Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance

Well, it's not quite Tasmania though.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  ShieldsFamily 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Sent: March 05, 2006 10:10
  Subject: RE: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing 
  repentance

  Yes, Judy is VERY 
  Southerntry Austrialia! Iz

  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean MooreSent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:20 
  PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing 
  repentance

- Original Message - 

From: Lance 
Muir 

To: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: 
3/4/2006 11:26:37 AM 

Subject: Re: Fw: 
[TruthTalk] Continuing repentance

First Dean, that was not the 
point of my reference. What does it say of you that your mind would go to 
that part of the film? I showed someone the trailer yesterday so as to 
demonstrate the clash of cultures.

cd: Be honest 
Lance. This posting you sent clearly showyour believe/bias that 
southern women (Judy) are as the women of the movie "Deliverance" which 
would lead one to believe the southern men are as the men in the movie that 
had sex with pigs- as you made the last of the sentence 
(Anyone see 
'Deliverance' (circa 1972)?connect with the 
first part of the sentence(.You can take the 
(wo)man out of the south but...) . If you were 
insinuation something differently then say so? I am all ears?Did you mean to 
insult our women (Judy)or not Lance?

Lance 
wrote:

You can take the (wo)man out of 
the south butAnyone see 'Deliverance' (circa 1972)?

  - Original Message - 

  From: Dean 
  Moore 

  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Sent: March 
  04, 2006 11:20

  Subject: Re: 
  Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance

- Original Message - 

From: Lance 
Muir 

To: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: 
3/4/2006 10:33:05 AM 

Subject: Re: 
Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance

Why is that Kevin? Did you 
see the film?

cd:Lance why 
are you answering my post as to" Kevin" and Kevin's posts as to "Dean"? 
Yes I have seen both "Deliverance" (Burt Reynolds)-it was filmed a 
couple of miles from my house- and "Lord of War"(Nich. Cage).And as to 
your suggest-we do not have sex with pigs-so cut it 
out!

  - Original Message 
  - 

  From: 
  Dean Moore 

  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Sent: 
  March 04, 2006 07:38

  Subject: 
  Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing 
  repentance

  cd: Lance, I 
  reject what you are suggesting. People from Canada 
  that speak this way will only hurt their own Nation -in 
  time.

- Original Message 
- 

From: 
Lance Muir 

To: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: 
3/4/2006 5:53:28 AM 

Subject: 
Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing 
repentance

You can take the (wo)man 
out of the south butAnyone see 'Deliverance' (circa 
1972)?

  - Original Message 
  - 

  From: Kevin Deegan 

  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Sent: March 04, 2006 
  01:25

  Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] 
  Continuing repentance

  Do you have 
  a reference for us concerningthese cages Luther 
  used?

  see 
  following BUT Keep in mind these guys were first REFORMED 
  Catholics (eg REFORMERS one and all) who later converted to 
  Anabaptism in addition in their later lives they got involved in 
  polygamy. You can take the man out of Roman Catholicism, it is 
  much harder to take the Roman Catholicism out of the 
  man!

[TruthTalk] *ModeratorComment*******




*8Moderator Comment**

Gary-I read Kevin as joking to Christine about a statement Christine's make about not understanding you. Actually you need to be clearer in your response Gary-try adding more words as I am also dense at times myself.Do you read this differently?If so -feel free to clarify your point-and feel free to take your time doing so. Also the remark about the lovely lady being "locked into Lennon"s Lyrics" is inaccrate inits statement-The "lovely lady"was conveying disgust for "Lennon's Lyrics" at the time of the incident in question.




- Original Message - 
From: 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 9:42:31 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment***

whilethe lovelylady's locked intoLennon's lyrics? 

that's an Ad Hominemif there ever was one, Bro, totally disrespectful, impolite, imprudent, even impudent given the subject line of the thread

On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:10:53 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Thats it, Thats it, it is MANDATORY Densitivity Training for You!||I had a good deal of trouble understanding one sentence of that post

[TruthTalk] ***ModeratorComment*




Moderator Comment**
Gary this is Ad Homien style attacking . This type of behavior is not welcome on TT-This is your warning to stop that behavior.
Gary wrote:..cd's gonna have tosend hera sawed offKalishnikov just to protect herselffrom you, Bro



- Original Message - 
From: 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 9:53:22 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment***

..cd's gonna have tosend hera sawed offKalishnikov just to protect herselffrom you, Bro

On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:40:24 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

whilethe lovelylady's locked intoLennon's lyrics? 

that's an Ad Hominemif there ever was one, Bro, totally disrespectful, impolite, imprudent, even impudent given the subject line of the thread

On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:10:53 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Thats it, Thats it, it is MANDATORY Densitivity Training for You!||I had a good deal of trouble understanding one sentence of that post

Re: [TruthTalk] * To all list members-ModeratorComment*****




cd: You are reaching again Gary. I would never use any weapon except the word of God to proterct my religion-But I would use one to protect my family. So when you speak for me remember (1) I never asked you to in the first place and (2)Try actually reading what I am saying.




- Original Message - 
From: 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 9:59:34 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment***

..he thinks that semi-auto  sawed off self-defense ispretty good (for protectin' his  her)religion, Bro, and he's the moderator

On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:50:53 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

..cd's gonna have tosend hera sawed offKalishnikov just to protect herselffrom you, Bro

On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:40:24 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

whilethe lovelylady's locked intoLennon's lyrics? 

that's an Ad Hominemif there ever was one, Bro, totally disrespectful, impolite, imprudent, even impudent given the subject line of the thread

On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:10:53 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Thats it, Thats it, it is MANDATORY Densitivity Training for You!||I had a good deal of trouble understanding one sentence of that post

Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

2006-03-05 Thread Judy Taylor






V.27 NEITHER GIVE PLACE TO THE DEVIL

On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 10:13:45 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes: Eph 4:26   - Original Message - 
 From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 05, 2006 10:09 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of 
truthtalk?Bible quiz: Where does scripture say 
that violence is always a  sin? Izzy   Matt 
11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the  kingdom 
of  heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by 
force.   -Original Message-  From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
On Behalf Of Dean  Moore  Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 
1:08 PM  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?  
[Original Message] 
 From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
 Date: 3/4/2006 11:17:31 AM  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 
The 'spirit' of truthtalk?   Sure Dean, "I don't 
know if I like the tone used in reference to  me,  
David'.  Given your history Dean, I actually interpreted this as 
an  implicit  threat.  No kidding Dean, once 
a person, in this case you, has shown a  capacity  
for  violence (thus my remark later to DM/CM as an example of 
violence  issuing  from a believer - something they 
seemed to believe impossible)  I'm alert  to 
 the possibility of it once again. OK?   
cd; A little twisting of truth-to your favor-and play it to the  
hilt-huh,  Lance?Tell me what violence have you ever seen me 
do?   - Original Message -  
 From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
 Sent: March 04, 2006 10:57  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 
The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
 cd: Please explain this remark Lance?   
[Original Message]  
 From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  Date: 3/4/2006 6:14:53 AM   Subject: 
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?   
  Can anyone other than me hear the implicit threat herein? 
 This, DM/CM  is   that to which I 
made reference.   - Original Message -  
  From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  Sent: March 03, 2006 17:34   Subject: 
Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?   
   
   [Original 
Message]From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
   Date: 3/1/2006 1:12:39 PM   
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?  
 Lance wrote: 
Believers in all religions are equal 
opportunity 'throat slitters', 
Christine. You, Christine, did not 
threaten such action. Do I believe, under
 some circumstance, you capable of it? I do.   
  Christine: If you missed the whole business of  
   our 'moderate' (tor) actually threatening to show 
up at someone's door in order to do 
physical violence to them then, ask your 
dad for an update. It may be that you, 
IMO wrongly, believe yourself incapable 
of anger that might lead to some form of 
harm-doing (verbally/physically). Don't be grieved.   
Lance, you just don't know who you 
are talking to.  Christine is 
notcapableof 
this. Ridiculous. Christine has never even met Dean,  so 
why  wouldyou  
  even associate her with a comment that Dean made? 
   cd: I don't know if I like the tone used in reference to 
me  David. Iremind  
  you that you do not know me, nor does Lance.I situation  
Lance is  bring   up   
 was in sexual reference to my wife who I am told to provide  
for-whichis
including protection from evil.
   David Miller   
--   
 "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt,  
that youmay
know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6)  
  http://www.InnGlory.org  
 If you do not want to 
receive posts from this list, send an  email
 to[EMAIL PROTECTED] and 
you will be unsubscribed.  If you  have 
   afriend who wants to 
join, tell him to send an e-mail to[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he 
will be subscribed.  
   
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RE: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand











- Original Message - 
From: Debbie Sawczak 
To: 'Lance Muir' 
Sent: March 04, 2006 17:25
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand

Yes! Your post below nailed the issue. Dean rivals Judy for not getting stuff.

How cutethat he thinksyou need rescue!

D
cd: We will see in time Debbie. Just keep using the "F" words in you language and mocking those who actually believe the wording of the Bible and I assure you I can be patient for the "One Truth" to make his decision and then we will see how "cute" things really are. May God bless you and His light shin upon you.

- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 11:39:55 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand

'MY' religion, Dean? Thereafter Dean, you assure me that no matter what I might say you will show me differently. Of course you will, Dean. That's the very point I've been making all along, Dean. 
cd: aah, but we can support what we say with the word of God Lance-can you?By the way this is what you group did to Judy, Lance-How does it feel to have a group of debaters pressing you at one time?I suspect David will help you out soon.
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Re: [TruthTalk] * To all list members-ModeratorComment*****






cd:Try reading it again Gary
; Luk 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his sc
rip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. 
Luk 22:37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was 
reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end. 
Luk 22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough. 




- Original Message - 
From: 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 10:20:41 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment***

nope:


- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 04, 2006 14:51
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Emailing: kalashnikov.guns.ru.htm



cd: A very good self defense weapon, Lance-proven thru many battlefields tobe relialable.Do you get my point-Self defense! A 4/10 shot gun is great ..I suggest you get one for her. Did not Christ himself tell his disciple to purchase a sword?..


On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:14:50 -0800 (PST) Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

G wrote:and he's the moderator[..was It]Kevin that wrote that, not Dean[?][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


..he thinks that semi-auto  sawed off self-defense ispretty good (for protectin' his  her)religion, Bro, and he's the moderator

On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:50:53 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

..cd's gonna have tosend hera sawed offKalishnikov just to protect herselffrom you, Bro

On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:40:24 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

whilethe lovelylady's locked intoLennon's lyrics? 

that's an Ad Hominemif there ever was one, Bro, totally disrespectful, impolite, imprudent, even impudent given the subject line of the thread

On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:10:53 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Thats it, Thats it, it is MANDATORY Densitivity Training for You!||I had a good deal of trouble understanding one sentence of that post




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Re: [TruthTalk] * To all list members-ModeratorComment*****









- Original Message - 
From: 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 10:31:48 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment***

hey C, at the rapture, you  cdgonna lay your Kalishnikov's at the feet of Christ?

cd:Pro 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand




I believe that were you to 'search the scriptures' 
for that which God hates, this might well not be among them.IMO, of 
course.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dean 
  Moore 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 05, 2006 10:25
  Subject: RE: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: 
  sinnersinhand
  
  
  
  
  
  
  


- Original Message - 
From: Debbie Sawczak 

To: 'Lance Muir' 
Sent: March 04, 2006 17:25
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand

Yes! Your post below nailed the issue. Dean rivals Judy 
for not getting stuff.

How cutethat he thinksyou need 
rescue!

D
cd: We will see in time Debbie. Just keep using the 
"F" words in you language and mocking those who actually believe the wording 
of the Bible and I assure you I can be patient for the "One Truth" to make 
his decision and then we will see how "cute" things really are. May God 
bless you and His light shin upon you.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Lance 
  Muir 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: 3/4/2006 11:39:55 AM 
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] emailing: 
  sinnersinhand
  
  'MY' religion, Dean? Thereafter Dean, you 
  assure me that no matter what I might say you will show me differently. Of 
  course you will, Dean. That's the very point I've been making all along, 
  Dean. 
  cd: aah, but we can support 
  what we say with the word of God Lance-can you?By the way this is what you 
  group did to Judy, Lance-How does it feel to have a group of debaters 
  pressing you at one time?I suspect David will help you out 
  soon.
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Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 Spirits of truthtalk?









- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 8:09:46 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 Spirits of truthtalk?

Please Dean. tell me that you don't play the banjo! :)
cd:-) No I do not Lance but get you meaning.I don't raise pigs either. But there are a few people in the area of "Little Canada" area-off of Hwy 281 past Wolf Lake whose family tree does not fork that do raise pigs.One even shot a deputy sheriffand road him around in the back of his pick-up for a week until the smell got so bad the his neighbors finally called the police.

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 05, 2006 07:37
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 Spirits of truthtalk?







- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 4:06:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

'Come to Jesus', Dean? How utterly presumptuous of you! North Carolina is it?
cd: I can tell the words of a lost man a mile away-if he speaks enough-thanks to God. Yep, N.C it is Lance. Remember the gorge in the Movie "Deliverance"? I live in the next gorge above that one.The movie"Fugitive"starring Harrison Ford was filmed in my home town. The scene where Ford jumped from the Fontana Dam drain tunnel is the state of the gorge that the movie"Deliverance" was filmed in. Nick Searcy who starred in Fried Green Tomatoes" play in "Fugitive" and was the pretend cop in " Top Gun" also came from my home town-I train him in Jeet-Con-Do for the " Ninja Turtle"part-Years ago. "The Last Mohican" was also filmed here.But if you really want to see a good movie-get"Loves enduring promise" and part 2 "Love Comes Softly". Kevin, Judy, Christine, Izzy-watch these with you children. I had the joy of doing so with my daughter.

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 04, 2006 14:37
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?







- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 11:49:55 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

How interesting is the American love for the destruction of fellow humans!! One can ALMOST sense the hope that is within you that they won't, repent that is, so that your *LOW president can nuke 'em, eh?

*Lord of War
cd: Still playing the violent opponent bit huh,Lance?Ignor all the truth and focus on what supports your world view? Come to the Jesus we know and you shall have thelight of understanding.

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 04, 2006 11:42
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?







- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 10:35:55 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

That (those) foreign country (countries) did not attack the US, Dean. I've already written on the one that did (Saudi Arabia was the nation from which most of the hijackers came). You attack the wrong countries, Dean.
cd:You have been fed misinformation,Come to know the Christ we know and you too will have delusions removed,Lance-Actually we attacked the Moslems extremists-Areyou suggestingthere are not any Moslems extremists in Iraq or Afghanistan?Hopefully we are just warming up for ourFather of all wars-unless they repent-of course.I say take them all out while we can-unless they repent.

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 04, 2006 07:21
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?


cd:If that foreign country confronted and attacked the United States initially and was beyond reasoning-as far as coming to terms-then that country must except responsibility for their actions and the results of their actions.In the below you seemed to agree with protection one's family from danger-is this not also true for a country? If an aggressing Nation started killing citizens of a peaceful Nation-should this be allowed without defense?What if the aggressing Nation hid behind women and children and continued the act of aggression.Should we allow our women/children get rapesand/or killed when we could have stopped it?Before you judge our Nation as being evil Lance-remember we could take over the entire world as Rome did-but have choosen to help/feed the world instead-The U.S. has feed and clothed more people on the face of the earththen any other Nation ever has in history. Are there fractionswithin the U.S.causing problems-Yes as Satan exists- but over all t
 he people in the U.S. are caring people. Is seems to me that all Nations complain until they need our help. What if Russia attacked Canada-for gains sake-do you think they haven't though of this?I believe they have and your closeness to the U.S. has deterred them.Think about it?




- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To:

Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 Spirits of truthtalk?









- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 8:05:58 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 Spirits of truthtalk?

Must be an AWESOME neck of the woods where you live.
cd: Feel free to come down anytime you want bro Kevin and bring your family-We can go white water rafting or somethink-bring a banner for WCU.There is room at the inn:-)

Here is Love comes softly
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002IKSFM/103-1275621-3617442?v=glancen=130

http://www.hallmarkchannel.com/us_framework.jsp?BODY=program.jspCONTENT=DAM_FAM_1555726

Based on the books by Janette Oke
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0764228323/ref=pd_lpo_k2a_2_txt/103-1275621-3617442?%5Fencoding=UTF8Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



- Original Message - 

From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 4:06:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

'Come to Jesus', Dean? How utterly presumptuous of you! North Carolina is it?
cd: I can tell the words of a lost man a mile away-if he speaks enough-thanks to God. Yep, N.C it is Lance. Remember the gorge in the Movie "Deliverance"? I live in the next gorge above that one.The movie"Fugitive"starring Harrison Ford was filmed in my home town. The scene where Ford jumped from the Fontana Dam drain tunnel is the state of the gorge that the movie"Deliverance" was filmed in. Nick Searcy who starred in Fried Green Tomatoes" play in "Fugitive" and was the pretend cop in " Top Gun" also came from my home town-I train him in Jeet-Con-Do for the " Ninja Turtle"part-Years ago. "The Last Mohican" was also filmed here.But if you really want to see a good movie-get"Loves enduring promise" and part 2 "Love Comes Softly". Kevin, Judy, Christine, Izzy-watch these with you children. I had the joy of doing so with my daughter.

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 04, 2006 14:37
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?







- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 11:49:55 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

How interesting is the American love for the destruction of fellow humans!! One can ALMOST sense the hope that is within you that they won't, repent that is, so that your *LOW president can nuke 'em, eh?

*Lord of War
cd: Still playing the violent opponent bit huh,Lance?Ignor all the truth and focus on what supports your world view? Come to the Jesus we know and you shall have thelight of understanding.

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 04, 2006 11:42
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?







- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 10:35:55 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

That (those) foreign country (countries) did not attack the US, Dean. I've already written on the one that did (Saudi Arabia was the nation from which most of the hijackers came). You attack the wrong countries, Dean.
cd:You have been fed misinformation,Come to know the Christ we know and you too will have delusions removed,Lance-Actually we attacked the Moslems extremists-Areyou suggestingthere are not any Moslems extremists in Iraq or Afghanistan?Hopefully we are just warming up for ourFather of all wars-unless they repent-of course.I say take them all out while we can-unless they repent.

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 04, 2006 07:21
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?


cd:If that foreign country confronted and attacked the United States initially and was beyond reasoning-as far as coming to terms-then that country must except responsibility for their actions and the results of their actions.In the below you seemed to agree with protection one's family from danger-is this not also true for a country? If an aggressing Nation started killing citizens of a peaceful Nation-should this be allowed without defense?What if the aggressing Nation hid behind women and children and continued the act of aggression.Should we allow our women/children get rapesand/or killed when we could have stopped it?Before you judge our Nation as being evil Lance-remember we could take over the entire world as Rome did-but have choosen to help/feed the world instead-The U.S. has feed and clothed more people on the face of the earththen any other Nation ever has in history. Are there fractionswithin the U.S.causing problems-Yes as Satan exists- but over all t
 he people in the U.S. are caring people. Is seems to me that all Nations complain until they need our help. What if Russia attacked Canada-for gains sake-do you think they haven't though of this?I believe they have and your closeness to the U.S. has deterred them.Think about it?




- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To:

RE: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?









That is why George Bush and his supporters
will have rewards in heaven, and those who called GWB Hitler and
such vileness will have judgment. You can tell what spirit indwells a person
by what/who he sees as worthy of praise or criticism. Izzy



Is 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put
darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and
sweet for bitter!











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006
5:32 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?







Pro
14:25 A true witness delivereth souls: but a deceitful [witness]
speaketh lies. 











I would then conclude you are just as IMMORAL
as the Muslims who stoned that 13 year old for dancing. As guilty as the people
who lived in the trailer where jessica Lunsford was held for days and abused
before she was buried alive with her teddy bear. They did not open their
mouths. Even though they did not engage their hands inthe abuse or murder,
they have blood on their hands thru silence.





http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/09/national/main687002.shtml

















Mat 23:3-4 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe,
[that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to
be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not move them with one of
their fingers. 











Jer
21:12 O house of David, thus
saith the LORD; Execute judgment in the morning, and deliver [him that is] spoiled out of the hand of the
oppressor, lest my fury go out like fire, and burn that none can quench [it], because of the evil of your doings.












Hsa 4:1 Hear the word of the LORD, ye children of Israel: for the
LORD hath a controversy with the inhabitants of the land, because [there is] no truth, nor mercy, nor knowledge of God in the land.












IS 59 Behold, the LORD'S hand is not
shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear: But
your iniquities have separated
between you and your God, and your sins have hid [his] face from you, that he
will not hear. For your hands are
defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your
lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath
muttered perverseness. None calleth for justice, nor [any] pleadeth for truth:
they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth
iniquity. 

Lance Muir
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:







It's the North American 'religious' barbarians that concern
me just now. I 'bin in too many churches ya know.







- Original Message - 





From: Kevin
Deegan 





To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: March 04, 2006
15:50





Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
The 'spirit' of truthtalk?











So you agree with stoning a 13 year old girl for Dancing at a wedding





I have never heard you ever say one thing about those barbarians.

Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:







How interesting is the American love for the destruction of
fellow humans!! One can ALMOST sense the hope that is within you that they
won't, repent that is, so that your *LOW president can nuke 'em, eh?











*Lord of War







- Original Message - 





From: Dean Moore






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: March 04, 2006
11:42





Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
The 'spirit' of truthtalk?



































- Original Message - 





From: Lance Muir






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org





Sent: 3/4/2006 10:35:55
AM 





Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
The 'spirit' of truthtalk?











That (those) foreign country (countries) did not attack the US, Dean. I've
already written on the one that did (Saudi Arabia was the nation from
which most of the hijackers came). You attack the wrong countries, Dean.





cd:You have been fed
misinformation,Come to know the Christ we know and you too will have delusions
removed,Lance-Actually we attacked the Moslems
extremists-Areyou suggestingthere are not any Moslems extremists in
Iraq or Afghanistan?Hopefully we are just warming up for ourFather of all
wars-unless they repent-of course.I say take them all out while we can-unless they
repent.







- Original Message - 





From: Dean Moore






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: March 04, 2006
07:21





Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
The 'spirit' of truthtalk?













cd:If
that foreign country confronted and attacked the United States initially and
was beyond reasoning-as far as coming to terms-then that country must
except responsibility for their actions and the results of their actions.In the
below you seemed to agree with protection one's family from danger-is this not
also true for a country? If an aggressing Nation started killing citizens of a peaceful
Nation-should this be allowed without defense?What if the aggressing Nation hid
behind women

Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?




cd:Then by all means teach us what 1 Thess.4:13-18 means to you Lance?




- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 8:24:58 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

LANCE DOESN'T:
1. Believe the 'rapture AT Dean's teaching - this is correct
2. Believe what Jesus says - this is incorrect
3. (Derive) comfort from the quotations included in this post - this is incorrect

SOMETIMES SOME of the things said (meant) on TT are scarier than Count Floyd.
- Original Message - 

From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 05, 2006 08:12
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?







- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 4:17:02 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

I do Christine but, these are not synonymous. Are they?
cd: It is the rapture that Lance doesn't believe in Christine. So some people-who believe in Christ-some where are going to be called up first from the graves and then those alive will be siezed up ( rupture=a derivative of theGreek for seized up) and changed in a moment to what has been described to be a body like Christ because they believe . But Lance doesn't believe this is going to happen-no matter what Jesus says.So Lance has no comfort with the below words because he does not believe the Bible.


1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. 

- Original Message - 
From: Christine Miller 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 04, 2006 14:46
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Wait a minute. You don't believe Jesus is returning?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 


Christine, some are some are not and, yes this one is. The so-called 'rapture' is a theological fiction. Look at the history of William Miller or JNDarby or LaHaye/Jenkins or Clarence Larkin or, or, or...

- Original Message - 
From: Christine Miller 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 04, 2006 01:10
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Lance wrote:the rapture is comingIs this a list of ideas that are ridiculous to you? You don't believe the rapture is coming, Lance?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 


The earth is flat, we did't actually go to the moon (it was shot in a movie studio), the moon is made of green cheese, the universe is geocentric, alien abductions proliferate, the rapture is coming, 6 day young earth creationism ought to be taught in schools (?), RCC is/is not Christian, US foreign policy is flawless,the trilateral commission works for the good of womankind, all TRUE believers understand scripture as it should be understood and all TRUE believers live sin free.

Of course facts matter and, they are not irrelevant.

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 03, 2006 06:16
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

Facts are such STUBBORN things

Are they irrelevant in your opinion?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Simply read the 'subject' along with the content ('spirit' - so much anger, judgmentalism, self-righteousness and pride!) of some of the posts of some. I rest my case your honor.

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 02, 2006 19:08
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

Some of those in Rwanda who perpetrated the genocide were believers.

WRONG AGAIN
Stop slurring Christians by trying to lump them in with Catholic KILLERS.
You play real loose with Facts. Are Facts irrelevant to you?

Maybe you need a program so you can tell apart the players?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53018-2002Sep22.html
Rwandan nuns were convicted of murder for their roles in the massacre of 7,000 Tutsis who sought protection at a Benedictine convent.

I think that means it was those loving catholics again!

Same old RC Church as it ever was:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4615171
an international court is trying several Catholic priests for their alleged role in the massacres, in which Hutus murdered 800,000 minority Tutsis and moderate

RE: [TruthTalk] Militarizing Mayberry









I think that dealing on a day to day basis
with people who live like unreasoning animals desensitizes the police. They
need our prayers more than our criticism. Iz











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Kevin Deegan
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006
7:06 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Militarizing Mayberry







Just saw the video of the latest police beating in the news





Are all the police beatings, lately,desensitizing peopleto
the violent images?











Wasn't the moto Serve  Protect should it now be
we beat the tar out of people











Isn't this the natural result of the Militarizing of Police and the
increase in the number of swat/paramilitary? 











http://news.google.com/news?sourceid=navclientie=UTF-8rls=GGLC,GGLC:1969-53,GGLC:enq=police%20beatingsa=Ntab=wn











http://www.cato.org/pubs/briefs/bp-050es.html





According to a recent academic survey, nearly 90 percent of the police
departments surveyed in cities with populations over 50,000 had paramilitary
units, as did 70 percent of the departments surveyed in communities with
populations under 50,000. The Pentagon has been equipping those units with
M-16s, armored personnel carriers, and grenade launchers. The police
paramilitary units also conduct training exercises with active duty Army
Rangers and Navy SEALs.





State and local police departments are increasingly accepting the
military as a model for their behavior and outlook. The sharing of training and
technology is producing a shared mindset. The problem is that the mindset of
the soldier is simply not appropriate for the civilian police officer. Police
officers confront not an enemy but individuals who are protected by
the Bill of Rights. 












http://www.progress.org/archive/fold121.htm





The Federalized Militarized Police 











http://home.att.net/~bob.wallace/militarypolice.html









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cd: Hey when the job get tough who would you call on to do it?




- Original Message - 
From: Christine Miller 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 10:15:04 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment***
G wrote:and he's the moderatorIt was Kevin that wrote that, not Dean. :-)[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


..he thinks that semi-auto  sawed off self-defense ispretty good (for protectin' his  her)religion, Bro, and he's the moderator

On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:50:53 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

..cd's gonna have tosend hera sawed offKalishnikov just to protect herselffrom you, Bro

On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:40:24 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

whilethe lovelylady's locked intoLennon's lyrics? 

that's an Ad Hominemif there ever was one, Bro, totally disrespectful, impolite, imprudent, even impudent given the subject line of the thread

On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:10:53 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

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cd: Kevin are you just going to stand ther while Debbie insults you fundies:-)




- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 6:53:09 AM 
Subject: [TruthTalk] Fw: interp


- Original Message - 
From: Debbie Sawczak 
To: 'Lance Muir' 
Sent: March 04, 2006 17:44
Subject: interp

The friend giving us the car is the one who gave Jan Dom Crossan's biography of Jesus. We went out to get the car this afternoon and ended up in a discussion about literalism and historicity. I was trying to make the point that not all scripture is one kind of writing, and also that literalness is not the same as historicity. I think treating all scripture the same contributes to the house-of-cards mentality. Our friend's apprehension of Christ is not rooted in space and time at all, but he thinks the essential truth of the gospels is independent of that. For us, of course, that IS the essential truth--God entering space and time as a man. It was a good and amiable conversation.

Anyway, I was reflecting later how the conversation confirmed that our unbelieving friend on the one handand fundamentalistson the other are really operating out of the same rationalistic paradigm. That's why they both have a house of cards, only one is out to preserve it and the other is out to demolish it (albeit not maliciously).And I saw how, to fundamentalists, anyone who suggests any latitude at all in interpreting the Bible would sound like an unbeliever.

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Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Double Minded Luther - RC (reformed catholic)




cd: Be prepared to defend this soon Kevin.




- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 8:53:17 AM 
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Double Minded Luther - RC (reformed catholic)

Luther made his appeal to the civil ruler as the final judge and arbiter of truth
The Baptists pointed to the Holy Bible - Sword of the Spirit as the TRUTH Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Seems to me that M. Luther took on the opponent he could win against-rather then the evil of the RCC.There was a man -I knew-years ago that had a reputation for being a tough fighter-but upon closer scrutiny one could see that he chose his fights and walked away from the tough men-to fight the easy men. I believe that he did so for abig name and it worked.




- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 4:33:03 PM 
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Double Minded Luther - RC (reformed catholic)

Luther never had the courage of his convictions. Apparently there were no convictions as far as his theology of civIl magistrates  the Church - States,rule on morals  conscience.
The bible says a Double minded man is unstable in all his ways!

In the beginning of his Reformation work, he said:
"No one can command or ought to command the soul except God, who alone can show it the way to heaven. It is futile and impossible to command, or by force to compel any mans belief. Heresy is a spiritual thing, which no iron can hew down, no fire burn, no water drown Whenever the temporal power presumes to legislate for the soul, it encroaches."

Later, iIn writing how dissenting preachers should be dealt with, he advised:
"Since it is not good that in one parish the people should be exposed to contradictory preaching, he [the magistrate] should order to be silent whatever does not consist with the Scriptures."

Luther made his appeal to the civil ruler as the final judge and arbiter of truth, (rather than scripture) and believed that heretics should be delivered to the civil magistrate for punishment. When the Anabaptists in the lands of the Reformation taught the doctrine of immersion as the proper Scriptural mode of baptism, and proclaimed infant baptism as utterly useless and without divine authority, the great Protestant Reformers applied the whip, the sword, the torch, the firebrand, as well as fines, confiscation of property, and the dungeon cell to these dissenters. When the Protestant sects resorted to the civil authorities to punish heresy, it was merely a case of religious tyranny changing hands under a new religious regime. Reformed Catholics believe in capital punishment for the crime of BELIEF in believers baptism. Interestingly NONE of the 95 THESES adressed the RC Church - State!
Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In writing to Menius and Myconius in 1530, Martin Luther favored applying the sword to the Anabaptists. He said:"I am pleased that you intend to publish a book against the Anabaptists as soon as possible. Since they are not only blasphemous, but also seditious men, let the sword exercise its rights over them, for it is the will of God that he shall have judgment who resisteth the power."

Calvin said godly princes may lawfully issue edicts, for compelling obstinate and rebellious persons to worship the true God, and to maintain the unity of the faith; for, though faith is voluntary, yet we see that such methods are useful for subduing the obstinacy of those who will not yield until they are compelled 

Compare to this:

The magistrate is not by virtue of his office to meddle with religion, or matters of conscience, to force or compel men to this or that form of religion, or doctrine; but to leave Christian religion free, to every mans con-science, and to handle only civil transgressions.- McGlothlin, Baptist Confession of Faith, p. 82. published in 1614

Baptist Leonard Busher, A Citizen of London, which was presented to King James and the high court of Parliament then sitting, a work entitled, Religions Peace, or A Plea for Liberty of Conscience. For all good shepherds will divide and separate, and not force, slay, and persecute, Busher declared. Kings and magistrates are to rule temporal affairs by the swords of their temporal kingdoms, and bishops and ministers are to rule spiritual affairs by the word and Spirit of God, the sword of Christs spiritual kingdom, and not to inter-meddle one with anothers authority, office, and function. And it is a great shame for the bishops and ministers not to be able to rule in their church without the assistance of the king and magistrate; yea, it is a great sign they are none of Christs bishops and ministers. If they were, they would not be afraid nor ashamed of their faith; nor yet would they persuade princes and people to persecute, and force one another to believe t
 hem; but would use only the assistance of Gods word and Spirit, and therewith suffer their faith

Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?




Those ON TT who fall into the category 'open to be 
taught' are now OFF TT. Go ahead and hurl all of the usual accusations! On this 
matter Dean, YOU ARE NOT TEACHABLE!

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dean 
  Moore 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 05, 2006 10:33
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of 
  truthtalk?
  
  
  cd:Then by all means teach us what 1 Thess.4:13-18 means to you 
  Lance?
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Lance 
Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 8:24:58 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' 
of truthtalk?

LANCE DOESN'T:
1. Believe the 'rapture AT Dean's teaching - 
this is correct
2. Believe what Jesus says - this is 
incorrect
3. (Derive) comfort from the quotations 
included in this post - this is incorrect

SOMETIMES SOME of the things said (meant) on TT 
are scarier than Count Floyd.
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Dean 
  Moore 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 05, 2006 08:12
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' 
  of truthtalk?
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Lance 
Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 4:17:02 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 
'spirit' of truthtalk?

I do Christine but, these are not 
synonymous. Are they?
cd: It is the rapture that 
Lance doesn't believe in Christine. So some people-who believe in 
Christ-some where are going to be called up first from the graves 
and then those alive will be siezed up ( rupture=a derivative of 
theGreek for seized up) and changed in a moment to what has been 
described to be a body like Christ because they believe . But Lance 
doesn't believe this is going to happen-no matter what Jesus says.So 
Lance has no comfort with the below words because he does not believe 
the Bible.


1Th 4:13 But I would not have 
you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, 
that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no 
hope. 
1Th 4:14 For if we believe 
that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in 
Jesus will God bring with him. 
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of 
the Lord, that we which are alive 
and 
remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are 
asleep. 
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from 
heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump 
of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with 
them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we 
ever be with the Lord. 
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with 
these words. 


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Christine Miller 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 04, 2006 14:46
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 
  'spirit' of truthtalk?
  Wait a minute. You don't believe Jesus is 
  returning?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 
  

Christine, some are some are not and, 
yes this one is. The so-called 'rapture' is a theological fiction. 
Look at the history of William Miller or JNDarby or LaHaye/Jenkins 
or Clarence Larkin or, or, or...

  - 
  Original Message - 
  From: 
  Christine Miller 
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: 
  March 04, 2006 01:10
  Subject: 
  Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
  Lance wrote:the rapture 
  is comingIs this a list of ideas that are ridiculous to 
  you? You don't believe the rapture is coming, 
  Lance?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 
  

The earth is flat, we did't 
actually go to the moon (it was shot in a movie studio), the 
moon is made of green cheese, the universe is geocentric, alien 
abductions proliferate, the rapture is coming, 6 day young earth 
creationism ought to be taught in schools (?), RCC is/is not 
Christian, US foreign policy is flawless,the trilateral 
commission works for the good of womankind, all TRUE believers

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Double Minded Luther - RC (reformed catholic)









- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 9:00:20 AM 
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Double Minded Luther - RC (reformed catholic)

Stephen Seagal?
cd: No- but for one who dislikes our culture you seem to like themovies thatour culture produces Lance.

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 05, 2006 08:22
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Double Minded Luther - RC (reformed catholic)


Seems to me that M. Luther took on the opponent he could win against-rather then the evil of the RCC.There was a man -I knew-years ago that had a reputation for being a tough fighter-but upon closer scrutiny one could see that he chose his fights and walked away from the tough men-to fight the easy men. I believe that he did so for abig name and it worked.




- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 4:33:03 PM 
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Double Minded Luther - RC (reformed catholic)

Luther never had the courage of his convictions. Apparently there were no convictions as far as his theology of civIl magistrates  the Church - States,rule on morals  conscience.
The bible says a Double minded man is unstable in all his ways!

In the beginning of his Reformation work, he said:
"No one can command or ought to command the soul except God, who alone can show it the way to heaven. It is futile and impossible to command, or by force to compel any mans belief. Heresy is a spiritual thing, which no iron can hew down, no fire burn, no water drown Whenever the temporal power presumes to legislate for the soul, it encroaches."

Later, iIn writing how dissenting preachers should be dealt with, he advised:
"Since it is not good that in one parish the people should be exposed to contradictory preaching, he [the magistrate] should order to be silent whatever does not consist with the Scriptures."

Luther made his appeal to the civil ruler as the final judge and arbiter of truth, (rather than scripture) and believed that heretics should be delivered to the civil magistrate for punishment. When the Anabaptists in the lands of the Reformation taught the doctrine of immersion as the proper Scriptural mode of baptism, and proclaimed infant baptism as utterly useless and without divine authority, the great Protestant Reformers applied the whip, the sword, the torch, the firebrand, as well as fines, confiscation of property, and the dungeon cell to these dissenters. When the Protestant sects resorted to the civil authorities to punish heresy, it was merely a case of religious tyranny changing hands under a new religious regime. Reformed Catholics believe in capital punishment for the crime of BELIEF in believers baptism. Interestingly NONE of the 95 THESES adressed the RC Church - State!
Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In writing to Menius and Myconius in 1530, Martin Luther favored applying the sword to the Anabaptists. He said:"I am pleased that you intend to publish a book against the Anabaptists as soon as possible. Since they are not only blasphemous, but also seditious men, let the sword exercise its rights over them, for it is the will of God that he shall have judgment who resisteth the power."

Calvin said godly princes may lawfully issue edicts, for compelling obstinate and rebellious persons to worship the true God, and to maintain the unity of the faith; for, though faith is voluntary, yet we see that such methods are useful for subduing the obstinacy of those who will not yield until they are compelled 

Compare to this:

The magistrate is not by virtue of his office to meddle with religion, or matters of conscience, to force or compel men to this or that form of religion, or doctrine; but to leave Christian religion free, to every mans con-science, and to handle only civil transgressions.- McGlothlin, Baptist Confession of Faith, p. 82. published in 1614

Baptist Leonard Busher, A Citizen of London, which was presented to King James and the high court of Parliament then sitting, a work entitled, Religions Peace, or A Plea for Liberty of Conscience. For all good shepherds will divide and separate, and not force, slay, and persecute, Busher declared. Kings and magistrates are to rule temporal affairs by the swords of their temporal kingdoms, and bishops and ministers are to rule spiritual affairs by the word and Spirit of God, the sword of Christs spiritual kingdom, and not to inter-meddle one with anothers authority, office, and function. And it is a great shame for the bishops and ministers not to be able to rule in their church without the assistance of the king and magistrate; yea, it is a great sign they are none of Christs bishops and ministers. If they were, they would not be afraid nor ashamed of their faith; nor yet would they persuade princes and people to persecute, and force one another to believe t
 hem; but would use only the

Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 Spirits of truthtalk?




No kidding Dean, I've stayed in a cottage on Wolf 
Lake. SSSAAALLL world after all. Am I a suspect?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dean 
  Moore 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 05, 2006 10:33
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 Spirits of 
  truthtalk?
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Lance 
Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 8:09:46 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 Spirits 
of truthtalk?

Please Dean. tell me that you don't play the 
banjo! :)
cd:-) No I do not Lance but get 
you meaning.I don't raise pigs either. But there are a few people in the 
area of "Little Canada" area-off of Hwy 281 past Wolf Lake whose family tree 
does not fork that do raise pigs.One even shot a deputy sheriffand 
road him around in the back of his pick-up for a week until the smell got so 
bad the his neighbors finally called the police.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dean 
  Moore 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 05, 2006 07:37
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 
  Spirits of truthtalk?
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Lance 
Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 4:06:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 
'spirit' of truthtalk?

'Come to Jesus', Dean? How utterly 
presumptuous of you! North Carolina is it?
cd: I can tell the words of a lost man a 
mile away-if he speaks enough-thanks to God. Yep, N.C it is Lance. 
Remember the gorge in the Movie "Deliverance"? I live in the next gorge 
above that one.The movie"Fugitive"starring Harrison Ford was 
filmed in my home town. The scene where Ford jumped from the Fontana Dam 
drain tunnel is the state of the gorge that the movie"Deliverance" was 
filmed in. Nick Searcy who starred in Fried Green Tomatoes" play in 
"Fugitive" and was the pretend cop in " Top Gun" also came from my home 
town-I train him in Jeet-Con-Do for the " Ninja Turtle"part-Years ago. 
"The Last Mohican" was also filmed here.But if you really want to see a 
good movie-get"Loves enduring promise" and 
part 2 "Love Comes Softly". Kevin, Judy, 
Christine, Izzy-watch these with you children. I had the joy of doing so 
with my daughter.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dean Moore 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 04, 2006 14:37
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 
  'spirit' of truthtalk?
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 11:49:55 AM 

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 
'spirit' of truthtalk?

How interesting is the American love 
for the destruction of fellow humans!! One can ALMOST sense the hope 
that is within you that they won't, repent that is, so that your 
*LOW president can nuke 'em, eh?

*Lord of War
cd: Still playing the violent opponent bit 
huh,Lance?Ignor all the truth and focus on what supports your world 
view? Come to the Jesus we know and you shall have thelight of 
understanding.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dean Moore 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 04, 2006 
  11:42
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 
  'spirit' of truthtalk?
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - 

From: 
Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 10:35:55 AM 

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 
The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

That (those) foreign country 
(countries) did not attack the US, Dean. I've already written on 
the one that did (Saudi Arabia was the nation from which most of 
the hijackers came). You attack the wrong countries, 
Dean.
cd:You have been fed 
misinformation,Come to know the Christ we know and you too will 
have delusions removed,Lance-Actually we attacked 
the Moslems extremists-Areyou suggestingthere are 
not any Moslems

Re: [TruthTalk] * To all list members-ModeratorComment*****




Why 'Ghostbusters' of course.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dean 
  Moore 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 05, 2006 10:37
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To 
  all list members-ModeratorComment***
  
  
  cd: Hey when the job get tough who 
  would you call on to do it?
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Christine 
Miller 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 10:15:04 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To 
all list members-ModeratorComment***
G wrote:and he's the moderatorIt was Kevin 
that wrote that, not Dean. :-)[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 


  
  ..he thinks that semi-auto  
  sawed off self-defense ispretty good (for protectin' his  
  her)religion, Bro, and he's the moderator
  
  On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:50:53 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
..cd's gonna have tosend 
hera sawed offKalishnikov just to protect herselffrom 
you, Bro

On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:40:24 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  whilethe 
  lovelylady's locked intoLennon's lyrics? 
  
  
  that's an Ad 
  Hominemif there ever was one, Bro, totally disrespectful, 
  impolite, imprudent, even impudent given the subject line of the 
  thread
  
  On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:10:53 -0800 
  (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
Thats it, Thats it, it is 
MANDATORY Densitivity Training for You!||I had a good 
deal of trouble understanding one sentence of that 
post
  



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Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Double Minded Luther - RC (reformed catholic)




I do Dean, eXpecially on Oscar day. C'mon 'Broke 
Back Mountain'!!

- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Dean 
  Moore 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 05, 2006 10:40
  Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Double 
  Minded Luther - RC (reformed catholic)
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Lance 
Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 9:00:20 AM 
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Double 
Minded Luther - RC (reformed catholic)

Stephen Seagal?
cd: No- but for one who dislikes 
our culture you seem to like themovies thatour culture produces 
Lance.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dean 
  Moore 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 05, 2006 08:22
  Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Double 
  Minded Luther - RC (reformed catholic)
  
  
  Seems to me that M. Luther took on 
  the opponent he could win against-rather then the evil of the RCC.There 
  was a man -I knew-years ago that had a reputation for being a tough 
  fighter-but upon closer scrutiny one could see that he chose his fights 
  and walked away from the tough men-to fight the easy men. I believe that 
  he did so for abig name and it worked.
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 4:33:03 PM 
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Double 
Minded Luther - RC (reformed catholic)

Luther never had the courage of his convictions. Apparently there 
were no convictions as far as his theology of civIl magistrates  
the Church - States,rule on morals  conscience.
The bible says a Double minded man is unstable in all his 
ways!

In the beginning of his Reformation work, he said:
"No one can command or ought to command the soul except God, 
who alone can show it the way to heaven. It is futile and impossible to 
command, or by force to compel any mans belief. Heresy is a spiritual 
thing, which no iron can hew down, no fire burn, no water drown 
Whenever the temporal power presumes to legislate for the soul, it 
encroaches."

Later, iIn writing how dissenting preachers should be dealt with, 
he advised:
"Since it is not good that in one parish the people should be 
exposed to contradictory preaching, he [the magistrate] should order 
to be silent whatever does not consist with the Scriptures."

Luther made his appeal to the civil ruler as the final 
judge and arbiter of truth, (rather than scripture) and 
believed that heretics should be delivered to the civil magistrate for 
punishment. When the Anabaptists in the lands of the Reformation taught 
the doctrine of immersion as the proper Scriptural mode of baptism, and 
proclaimed infant baptism as utterly useless and 
without divine authority, the great Protestant Reformers applied the 
whip, the sword, the torch, the firebrand, as well as fines, 
confiscation of property, and the dungeon cell to these dissenters. When 
the Protestant sects resorted to the civil authorities to punish heresy, 
it was merely a case of religious tyranny changing hands under a new 
religious regime. Reformed Catholics believe in capital punishment for 
the crime of BELIEF in believers baptism. Interestingly NONE of the 95 
THESES adressed the RC Church - State!
Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  In writing to Menius and Myconius in 1530, Martin 
  Luther favored applying the sword to the Anabaptists. 
  He said:"I am pleased that you intend 
  to publish a book against the Anabaptists as soon as possible. Since 
  they are not only blasphemous, but also seditious men, let the 
  sword exercise its rights over them, for it is the will of God 
  that he shall have judgment who resisteth the 
power."
  
  Calvin said godly princes may 
  lawfully issue edicts, for compelling obstinate and rebellious 
  persons to worship the true God, and to maintain the unity of the 
  faith; for, though faith is voluntary, yet we see that such 
  methods are useful for subduing the obstinacy of those who will 
  not yield until they are compelled 
  
  Compare to this:
  
  The 
  magistrate is not by virtue of his office to meddle with religion, or 
  matters of conscience, to force or compel men to this or that form of 
  religion, or doctrine; but to leave Christian religion free, to every 
  mans con-science, and to handle only

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Yes, Judy is VERY Southerntry Austrialia! Iz
cd: Wow-is Judy in Australia? I thought it was Virginia.I do remember her mentioning Australia in her Postings.





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean MooreSent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:20 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance










- Original Message - 

From: Lance Muir 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: 3/4/2006 11:26:37 AM 

Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance



First Dean, that was not the point of my reference. What does it say of you that your mind would go to that part of the film? I showed someone the trailer yesterday so as to demonstrate the clash of cultures.

cd: Be honest Lance. This posting you sent clearly showyour believe/bias that southern women (Judy) are as the women of the movie "Deliverance" which would lead one to believe the southern men are as the men in the movie that had sex with pigs- as you made the last of the sentence (Anyone see 'Deliverance' (circa 1972)?connect with the first part of the sentence(.You can take the (wo)man out of the south but...) . If you were insinuation something differently then say so? I am all ears?Did you mean to insult our women (Judy)or not Lance?

Lance wrote:


You can take the (wo)man out of the south butAnyone see 'Deliverance' (circa 1972)?


- Original Message - 

From: Dean Moore 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: March 04, 2006 11:20

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- Original Message - 

From: Lance Muir 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: 3/4/2006 10:33:05 AM 

Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance



Why is that Kevin? Did you see the film?

cd:Lance why are you answering my post as to" Kevin" and Kevin's posts as to "Dean"? Yes I have seen both "Deliverance" (Burt Reynolds)-it was filmed a couple of miles from my house- and "Lord of War"(Nich. Cage).And as to your suggest-we do not have sex with pigs-so cut it out!


- Original Message - 

From: Dean Moore 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: March 04, 2006 07:38

Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance




cd: Lance, I reject what you are suggesting. People from Canada that speak this way will only hurt their own Nation -in time.






- Original Message - 

From: Lance Muir 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: 3/4/2006 5:53:28 AM 

Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance



You can take the (wo)man out of the south butAnyone see 'Deliverance' (circa 1972)?


- Original Message - 

From: Kevin Deegan 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: March 04, 2006 01:25

Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance



Do you have a reference for us concerningthese cages Luther used?

see following BUT Keep in mind these guys were first REFORMED Catholics (eg REFORMERS one and all) who later converted to Anabaptism in addition in their later lives they got involved in polygamy. You can take the man out of Roman Catholicism, it is much harder to take the Roman Catholicism out of the man!



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_Knipperdolling

From June 24 - 25, 1535, the Bishop, with the aid of the deserter Henry Gresbeck, retook M|nster. Knipperdolling, Bockelson and Bernhard Krechting were imprisoned and interrogated. In On January 22, 1536, Knipperdolling, Krechting, and Bockelson were publicly tortured and executed in M|nster. Their corpses were suspended in a cage from the Lambertuskirche (St. Lambert's Church), which had been the initial focus of the Anabaptist revolution.
Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 [Original Message] From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:  Date: 2/26/2006 11:58:10 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fw: Continuing repentancecd wrote:  Judy did you know that M.Luther had Street  Preachers put in oversize bird cages and  hung up in the church even on Sunday morning  while he and his followers worshiped God. I hope you understand that not all Anabaptists were good streetpreachers.  Some of them were polygamists who did not recognize the marriage contractof  Lutherans or Roman Catholics. Do you have a reference for us concerning  these cages Luther used?cd:To my understanding the Street Preachers Luther had put in bird cageswere not po
lygamist-they preach the gospel of Jesus Christ. But if that ishow a Christian is suppose to act then should I take a cage with me on mynext trip (Lord willing) to Salt Lake City and grab the nearest Mormon Isee crossing the street with two wives and put him in the cage and hang himup in the Wesleyan Church and maybe my brethren will think highly of mealso? My reference for this statement is Ron

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand









- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 10:32:32 AM 
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand

I believe that were you to 'search the scriptures' for that which God hates, this might well not be among them.IMO, of course.
cd: O.K. Lance what reason would God have for hating me?

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 05, 2006 10:25
Subject: RE: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand









- Original Message - 
From: Debbie Sawczak 
To: 'Lance Muir' 
Sent: March 04, 2006 17:25
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand

Yes! Your post below nailed the issue. Dean rivals Judy for not getting stuff.

How cutethat he thinksyou need rescue!

D
cd: We will see in time Debbie. Just keep using the "F" words in you language and mocking those who actually believe the wording of the Bible and I assure you I can be patient for the "One Truth" to make his decision and then we will see how "cute" things really are. May God bless you and His light shin upon you.

- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 11:39:55 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand

'MY' religion, Dean? Thereafter Dean, you assure me that no matter what I might say you will show me differently. Of course you will, Dean. That's the very point I've been making all along, Dean. 
cd: aah, but we can support what we say with the word of God Lance-can you?By the way this is what you group did to Judy, Lance-How does it feel to have a group of debaters pressing you at one time?I suspect David will help you out soon.
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God doesn't hate YOU, Dean. Where'd ya ever cotten 
on to that sorta thinkin', huh? God loves you and the entire 'cast' of TT 
('ceptin me but, y'all are prayin' for me aren't ya?)

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dean 
  Moore 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 05, 2006 10:47
  Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: 
  sinnersinhand
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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From: 
Lance 
Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 10:32:32 AM 
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: 
sinnersinhand

I believe that were you to 'search the 
scriptures' for that which God hates, this might well not be among them.IMO, 
of course.
cd: O.K. Lance what reason would 
God have for hating me?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dean 
  Moore 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 05, 2006 10:25
  Subject: RE: Fw: [TruthTalk] 
  emailing: sinnersinhand
  
  
  
  
  
  
  


- Original Message - 
From: Debbie Sawczak 

To: 'Lance Muir' 
Sent: March 04, 2006 17:25
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand

Yes! Your post below nailed the issue. Dean rivals 
Judy for not getting stuff.

How cutethat he thinksyou need 
rescue!

D
cd: We will see in time Debbie. Just keep using 
the "F" words in you language and mocking those who actually believe the 
wording of the Bible and I assure you I can be patient for the "One 
Truth" to make his decision and then we will see how "cute" things 
really are. May God bless you and His light shin upon 
you.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Lance Muir 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: 3/4/2006 11:39:55 AM 
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 
  emailing: sinnersinhand
  
  'MY' religion, Dean? Thereafter Dean, you 
  assure me that no matter what I might say you will show me 
  differently. Of course you will, Dean. That's the very point I've been 
  making all along, Dean. 
  cd: aah, but we can 
  support what we say with the word of God Lance-can you?By the way this 
  is what you group did to Judy, Lance-How does it feel to have a group 
  of debaters pressing you at one time?I suspect David will help you out 
  soon.
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RE: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?









- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 10:36:08 AM 
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?


That is why George Bush and his supporters will have rewards in heaven, and those who called GWB Hitler and such vileness will have judgment. You can tell what spirit indwells a person by what/who he sees as worthy of praise or criticism. Izzy

Is 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

cd: Amen Izzy:

2Pe 2:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, self-willed, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. 
2Pe 2:11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord. 





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 5:32 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?


Pro 14:25 A true witness delivereth souls: but a deceitful [witness] speaketh lies. 



I would then conclude you are just as IMMORAL as the Muslims who stoned that 13 year old for dancing. As guilty as the people who lived in the trailer where jessica Lunsford was held for days and abused before she was buried alive with her teddy bear. They did not open their mouths. Even though they did not engage their hands inthe abuse or murder, they have blood on their hands thru silence.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/09/national/main687002.shtml





Mat 23:3-4 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not move them with one of their fingers. 



Jer 21:12 O house of David, thus saith the LORD; Execute judgment in the morning, and deliver [him that is] spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor, lest my fury go out like fire, and burn that none can quench [it], because of the evil of your doings. 



Hsa 4:1 Hear the word of the LORD, ye children of Israel: for the LORD hath a controversy with the inhabitants of the land, because [there is] no truth, nor mercy, nor knowledge of God in the land. 



IS 59 Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear: But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid [his] face from you, that he will not hear. For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness. None calleth for justice, nor [any] pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


It's the North American 'religious' barbarians that concern me just now. I 'bin in too many churches ya know.


- Original Message - 

From: Kevin Deegan 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: March 04, 2006 15:50

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?



So you agree with stoning a 13 year old girl for Dancing at a wedding

I have never heard you ever say one thing about those barbarians.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


How interesting is the American love for the destruction of fellow humans!! One can ALMOST sense the hope that is within you that they won't, repent that is, so that your *LOW president can nuke 'em, eh?



*Lord of War


- Original Message - 

From: Dean Moore 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: March 04, 2006 11:42

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?











- Original Message - 

From: Lance Muir 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: 3/4/2006 10:35:55 AM 

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?



That (those) foreign country (countries) did not attack the US, Dean. I've already written on the one that did (Saudi Arabia was the nation from which most of the hijackers came). You attack the wrong countries, Dean.

cd:You have been fed misinformation,Come to know the Christ we know and you too will have delusions removed,Lance-Actually we attacked the Moslems extremists-Areyou suggestingthere are not any Moslems extremists in Iraq or Afghanistan?Hopefully we are just warming up for ourFather of all wars-unless they repent-of course.I say take them all out while we can-unless they repent.


- Original Message - 

From: Dean Moore 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: March 04, 2006 07:21

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?




cd:If that foreign country confronted and attacked the United States initially and was beyond reasoning-as far as coming to terms-then that country must except responsibility for their actions and the results of their

RE: [TruthTalk] The 2 Spirits of truthtalk?









We already have seen those nice movies,
Dean. I attended a lecture by Janette Oke years ago at a Christian Writers
Conference in Wheaton.
I think I have signed copies of her books. Iz











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Moore
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 6:38
AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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- Original Message - 





From: Lance Muir






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org





Sent: 3/4/2006 4:06:00
PM 





Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
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'Come to Jesus', Dean? How utterly presumptuous of you! North Carolina is it?





cd: I can tell the words of a lost man a mile away-if
he speaks enough-thanks to God. Yep, N.C it is Lance. Remember the gorge in the
Movie Deliverance? I live in the next gorge above that one.The
movieFugitivestarring Harrison Ford was filmed in my home
town. The scene where Ford jumped from the Fontana Dam drain tunnel is the state of the
gorge that the movieDeliverance was filmed in. Nick Searcy who
starred in Fried Green Tomatoes play in Fugitive and was the
pretend cop in  Top Gun also came from my home town-I train him in
Jeet-Con-Do for the  Ninja Turtlepart-Years ago. The Last
Mohican was also filmed here.But if you really want to see a good
movie-getLoves enduring promise
and part 2 Love Comes Softly.
Kevin, Judy, Christine, Izzy-watch these with you children. I had the joy of
doing so with my daughter.







- Original Message - 





From: Dean Moore






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: March 04, 2006
14:37





Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
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- Original Message - 





From: Lance Muir






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org





Sent: 3/4/2006 11:49:55
AM 





Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
The 'spirit' of truthtalk?











How interesting is the American love for the destruction of
fellow humans!! One can ALMOST sense the hope that is within you that they
won't, repent that is, so that your *LOW president can nuke 'em, eh?











*Lord of War





cd: Still playing the violent opponent bit huh,Lance?Ignor
all the truth and focus on what supports your world view? Come to the Jesus we
know and you shall have thelight of understanding.







- Original Message - 





From: Dean Moore






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: March 04, 2006
11:42





Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
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- Original Message - 





From: Lance Muir






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org





Sent: 3/4/2006 10:35:55
AM 





Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
The 'spirit' of truthtalk?











That (those) foreign country (countries) did not attack the US, Dean. I've
already written on the one that did (Saudi Arabia was the nation from
which most of the hijackers came). You attack the wrong countries, Dean.





cd:You have been fed
misinformation,Come to know the Christ we know and you too will have delusions
removed,Lance-Actually we attacked the Moslems
extremists-Areyou suggestingthere are not any Moslems extremists in
Iraq or Afghanistan?Hopefully we are just warming up for ourFather of all
wars-unless they repent-of course.I say take them all out while we can-unless
they repent.







- Original Message - 





From: Dean Moore






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: March 04, 2006
07:21





Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
The 'spirit' of truthtalk?













cd:If that foreign country confronted and attacked the
United States initially and was beyond reasoning-as far as coming to terms-then
that country must except responsibility for their actions and the results of
their actions.In the below you seemed to agree with protection one's family
from danger-is this not also true for a country? If an aggressing Nation
started killing citizens of a peaceful Nation-should this be allowed without
defense?What if the aggressing Nation hid behind women and children and
continued the act of aggression.Should we allow our women/children get rapesand/or
killed when we could have stopped it?Before you judge our Nation as being evil
Lance-remember we could take over the entire world as Rome did-but have choosen
to help/feed the world instead-The U.S. has feed and clothed more people on the
face of the earththen any other Nation ever has in history. Are there
fractionswithin the U.S.causing
problems-Yes as Satan exists- but over all t he people in the U.S. are caring
people. Is seems to me that all Nations complain until they need our help. What
if Russia attacked Canada-for gains sake-do you think they haven't
though of this?I believe they have and your closeness to the U.S. has
deterred them.Think about it?





















- Original Message - 





From: Lance Muir






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org





Sent: 3/3/2006 6:06:55
PM 





Subject: Re:

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Sadly, protecting the innocent from the
guilty is not an issue for certain persuasions. Iz











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Moore
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 6:45
AM
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- Original Message - 





From: Kevin
Deegan 





To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org





Sent: 3/4/2006 4:09:39
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Why not do something about Drunk driving?





or would that cut into government profits?





There were 16,694 alcohol-related fatalities in 2004 more than US
deaths in Iraq





Why are road blocks never set up in the bar district?





cd: Revenue from the bar district? Maybe:-)

Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





I agree with you, but I would not blame all tradition (which is what
religion is, ultimately, no?). Religion has become been used for evil because man is evil. It's like the old
adage about whether or not guns kill people, or people kill people. 

But just because the answer is people does not necessarily mean
that you shouldn't put some restictions on the process for purchasing a fire
arm. The problem with religion (and also gun control) is that man would still
be evil, even without religion and guns.

But I agree with what you have written, Lance. :-) 

Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: 



Were 'religion' to be characterized as (wo)man's
self-generated effort at redemption then, I'd say that it IS responsible for
much of the evil in the world. Religion is very big in church.







- Original Message - 





From: Christine
Miller 





To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: March 03, 2006
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G, the lyrics fantacize about a world where there is no God, no
consequences for our actions. It's also based on the false idea that man has no
fallen nature. 

And, most offensive to me, it blames the evil in the world on religion, not on
our fallen nature. Religion has been the scapegoat for a lot of evil in history
and today. Do it in the name of God and you have a special type of defense. But
we must recognize the religion isn't evil, tradition isn't evil, man is. 

That idea is the foundation of our gospel. Man is fallen and needs a savior.
Lennon's song refutes that foundation and appeals to man's desire to deceive
himself and to lay the blame for our sinful state on someone else, in this
case, all religion.

Do you disagree?

Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 





cd: Listen to the words G.





















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  On
  Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:21:01 -0500 Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
  
  
  
  Lennons song
  Imagine is an attack against God
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  how so, Bro?
  
  
  
  
  
  ---
  
  
  
  
  
  for ref:
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Imagine
  
  Imagine there's no heaven,
  It's easy if you try,
  No hell below us,
  Above us only sky,
  Imagine all the people
  living for today...
  
  Imagine there's no countries,
  It isnt hard to do,
  Nothing to kill or die for,
  No religion too,
  Imagine all the people
  living life in peace...
  
  Imagine no possesions,
  I wonder if you can,
  No need for greed or hunger,
  A brotherhood of man,
  Imagine all the people
  Sharing all the world...
  
  You may say Im a dreamer,
  but Im not the only one,
  I hope some day you'll join us,
  And the world will live as one.
  
  
 



 
  
  Writen by: John Lennon
  ) Bag productions inc.
  
 












































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Do you think Lance will forward this post
to Debbie??? (Hint: The answer has two letters.) Iz











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 7:50
AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk]
emailing: sinnersinhand







What you don't get in all of your mental
gyrations and rationalizing is that





the scriptures are spiritually
discerned period. Your head is not up to the job











First one must set up a bunch of straw men  caricatures as your
assumptions.





Such as Fundamentalists are hicks.





Then the imagination can come up with all sorts of
enlightening ideas.





Problem is they are all based on a false premise





(BTW Deb could not deal with the facts they are troubling to her fable
based world view so she got out of the kitchen)











For instance case in point





Inherit the wind





http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053946/





Based on NON reality yet most people BELIEVE this fairy tale/ fable
version





It is more fun than reality





See how the intelligensia trip over themselves calling it BRILLIANT LOL





what a Brilliant FABLE? Fascinating fictionalized account?
LOL





http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/scopes/SCO_INHE.HTM





ROTFL











IN FACT the textbook at the center of the controversy was horrific





Hunter's Civic Biology CHECK IT
OUT





http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/scopes/hunt192.htm





It taught the pseudoSCIENCE of EUGENICS!





...Hundreds of families such as those described above exist
today, spreading disease, immorality, and crime to all parts of this
country Just as certain animals or plants become parasitic on other plants
or animals, these families have become parasitic
on society (Hunter 1914 p. 263).





The lower forms of humanity should not procreate but be sterilaized or
put in asylums





Among other SHOCKING details.





The WHITE RACE is the highest
type of race (Hunter 1914 p. 196).





http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/scopes/hunt196.htm











If you are interested in TRUTH rather than FABLE see these  the
referenced links on those pages.











Follow the trail of Public school Biology to Eugenics  US Goverment FINANCED
Eugenics http://www.amphilsoc.org/library/mole/e/ero.htm





 Funding of Eugenics in America http://www.eugenics-watch.com/roots/chap12.html





 Nazzi (it was a natural progression) http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/021500-02.htm





It began on long Island and never really ended at Auschwitz
http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/











FACTS The Christians are demonized, while the evolutionists are made to
be the heroes.Christians objected to the racism and eugenics associated
with the evolutionary movement of the early 20th century, the scientific folks
bought into EUGENICS and we all know where that lead. Hold yur breath you lower
form jews.











FACTS can be FASCINATING THINGS!





http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/scopes.html





http://print.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft9702/iannone.html





http://www.doesgodexist.org/SepOct96/ExposingTheLieInheritTheWind.html





http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i1/scopes.asp





http://www.bible.ca/ef/topical-the-big-lie-of-inherit-the-wind.htm





http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v12/i3/summer.asp











LOOKS like the gullible are actually the psuedo
INTELLIGENSIA who have swallowed the LIE and ended up really Inheriting the
wind!





The highminded are very prideful about there
superiority in things too high for you 'others' to really grasp (watch out they
may try to put you away inteligensia Eugenics)





Pride goeth before a FALL!











Prov 11:29 He that troubleth his own house
shall inherit the wind: and the fool shall be servant to the wise of heart.











It is also interesting how riddled with
holes this is, I guess that is why the intelligensia must create
caricatures/fables can't deal with the facts as they are.





See also new bibles...






Judy Taylor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:







Judy gets what is important and so does
Dean





What you don't get in all of your mental
gyrations and rationalizing is that





the scriptures are spiritually
discerned period. Your head is not up to the job











On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 06:53:44 -0500 Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:













- Original Message - 



From: Debbie Sawczak 





To: 'Lance Muir'






Sent: March 04, 2006
17:25





Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]
emailing: sinnersinhand











Yes! Your post below nailed the issue.
Dean rivals Judy for not getting stuff.



How cutethat he thinksyou need
rescue!



D







- Original Message - 





From: Lance Muir






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org





Sent: 3/4/2006 11:39:55
AM 





Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
emailing: sinnersinhand











'MY' religion, Dean? Thereafter Dean, you

Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?




cd: So I take it that you don't know Lance?No accusations going on here lance-just asking a question-If this is not teaching about the Rapture what does it mean? Doesn't the dancing brotherhood you claim not have a Idea for the meaning of this passage or do they just keep on dancing around this passage also-If you don't know Lance-Try asking them?




- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 10:40:30 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

Those ON TT who fall into the category 'open to be taught' are now OFF TT. Go ahead and hurl all of the usual accusations! On this matter Dean, YOU ARE NOT TEACHABLE!

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 05, 2006 10:33
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?


cd:Then by all means teach us what 1 Thess.4:13-18 means to you Lance?




- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 8:24:58 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

LANCE DOESN'T:
1. Believe the 'rapture AT Dean's teaching - this is correct
2. Believe what Jesus says - this is incorrect
3. (Derive) comfort from the quotations included in this post - this is incorrect

SOMETIMES SOME of the things said (meant) on TT are scarier than Count Floyd.
- Original Message - 

From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 05, 2006 08:12
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?







- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 4:17:02 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

I do Christine but, these are not synonymous. Are they?
cd: It is the rapture that Lance doesn't believe in Christine. So some people-who believe in Christ-some where are going to be called up first from the graves and then those alive will be siezed up ( rupture=a derivative of theGreek for seized up) and changed in a moment to what has been described to be a body like Christ because they believe . But Lance doesn't believe this is going to happen-no matter what Jesus says.So Lance has no comfort with the below words because he does not believe the Bible.


1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. 

- Original Message - 
From: Christine Miller 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 04, 2006 14:46
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Wait a minute. You don't believe Jesus is returning?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 


Christine, some are some are not and, yes this one is. The so-called 'rapture' is a theological fiction. Look at the history of William Miller or JNDarby or LaHaye/Jenkins or Clarence Larkin or, or, or...

- Original Message - 
From: Christine Miller 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 04, 2006 01:10
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Lance wrote:the rapture is comingIs this a list of ideas that are ridiculous to you? You don't believe the rapture is coming, Lance?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 


The earth is flat, we did't actually go to the moon (it was shot in a movie studio), the moon is made of green cheese, the universe is geocentric, alien abductions proliferate, the rapture is coming, 6 day young earth creationism ought to be taught in schools (?), RCC is/is not Christian, US foreign policy is flawless,the trilateral commission works for the good of womankind, all TRUE believers understand scripture as it should be understood and all TRUE believers live sin free.

Of course facts matter and, they are not irrelevant.

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 03, 2006 06:16
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

Facts are such STUBBORN things

Are they irrelevant in your opinion?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Simply read the 'subject' along with the content ('spirit' - so much anger, judgmentalism, self-righteousness and pride!) of some of the posts of some. I rest my case your honor.

- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 02, 2006 19:08

Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?





the rest of 'emare blind, 
eh?

On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 07:15:59 -0500 "Lance 
Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - 
 From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 05, 2006 07:10 Subject: Re: 
[TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?||
..most people see what they want to 
see.||

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand




Translation: No is the implicit answer. Why? 'Cause 
Lance and his 'friend' Debbie, the one DM wishes were still on TT, have no 
discernment when it comes to the Scriptures. Anyone notice how neither seems up 
to the task, when challenged, to actually employ the scriptures in support of 
any of their fatuous, PC observations?" Close? 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  ShieldsFamily 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 05, 2006 11:05
  Subject: RE: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: 
  sinnersinhand
  
  
  Do you think Lance 
  will forward this post to Debbie??? (Hint: The answer has two letters.) 
  Iz
  
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 7:50 
  AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: 
  sinnersinhand
  
  
  What you don't get in all of your 
  mental gyrations and rationalizing is that
  
  the scriptures are "spiritually 
  discerned" period. Your head is not up to the 
  job
  
  
  
  First one must set up a bunch of straw men  
  caricatures as your assumptions.
  
  Such as Fundamentalists are 
  hicks.
  
  Then the imagination can come up with all sorts of 
  "enlightening" ideas.
  
  Problem is they are all based on a false 
  premise
  
  (BTW Deb could not deal with the facts they are 
  troubling to her fable based world view so she got out of the 
  kitchen)
  
  
  
  For instance case in 
  point
  
  Inherit the wind
  
  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053946/
  
  Based on NON reality yet most people BELIEVE this 
  fairy tale/ fable version
  
  It is more fun than 
  reality
  
  See how the intelligensia trip over themselves calling 
  it BRILLIANT LOL
  
  what a Brilliant FABLE? Fascinating "fictionalized 
  account"? LOL
  
  http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/scopes/SCO_INHE.HTM
  
  ROTFL
  
  
  
  IN FACT the textbook at the center of the controversy 
  was horrific
  
  Hunter's Civic 
  Biology CHECK IT OUT
  
  http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/scopes/hunt192.htm
  
  It taught the pseudo"SCIENCE" of EUGENICS!
  
  ..."Hundreds of families such as those described above 
  exist today, spreading disease, immorality, and crime to all parts of this 
  country Just as certain animals or plants become parasitic on other plants 
  or animals, these families have become parasitic on society" (Hunter 1914 
  p. 263).
  
  The lower forms of humanity should not procreate but 
  be sterilaized or put in asylums
  
  Among other SHOCKING 
  details.
  
  The WHITE RACE is "the highest type of race" (Hunter 1914 
  p. 196).
  
  http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/scopes/hunt196.htm
  
  
  
  If you are interested in TRUTH rather than FABLE see 
  these  the referenced links on those 
  pages.
  
  
  
  Follow the trail of Public school "Biology" to 
  Eugenics  US 
  Goverment FINANCED Eugenics http://www.amphilsoc.org/library/mole/e/ero.htm
  
   Funding of Eugenics in America http://www.eugenics-watch.com/roots/chap12.html
  
   Nazzi (it was a natural progression) http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/021500-02.htm
  
  It began on long Island and never really ended at 
  Auschwitz http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/
  
  
  
  FACTS The Christians are demonized, while the 
  evolutionists are made to be the heroes.Christians objected to the 
  racism and eugenics associated with the evolutionary movement of the early 
  20th century, the scientific folks bought into EUGENICS and we all know where 
  that lead. Hold yur breath you lower form 
  jews.
  
  
  
  FACTS can be FASCINATING 
  THINGS!
  
  http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/scopes.html
  
  http://print.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft9702/iannone.html
  
  http://www.doesgodexist.org/SepOct96/ExposingTheLieInheritTheWind.html
  
  http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i1/scopes.asp
  
  http://www.bible.ca/ef/topical-the-big-lie-of-inherit-the-wind.htm
  
  http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v12/i3/summer.asp
  
  
  
  LOOKS like the gullible are actually the psuedo 
  INTELLIGENSIA who have swallowed the LIE and ended up really Inheriting the 
  wind!
  
  The highminded are very prideful about there 
  superiority in things too high for you 'others' to really grasp (watch out 
  they may try to put you away inteligensia 
  Eugenics)
  
  Pride goeth before a 
  FALL!
  
  
  
  Prov 11:29 He that troubleth 
  his own house shall inherit the wind: and the fool shall be servant to the 
  wise of heart.
  
  
  
  It is also interesting how 
  riddled with holes this is, I guess that is why the intelligensia must create 
  caricatures/fables can't deal with the facts as they 
  are.
  
  See also new 
  bibles...
  
  Judy Taylor 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  

Judy gets what is important and so 
does Dean

What you don't get in all of your 
mental gyrations and rationalizing is 
that

RE: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?









Huh??? Care to explain that,
Lance? Iz











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006
9:57 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?







Welcome Izzy (honest!):











Mt 26:45 fg could conceiveably cover all four (4).







- Original Message - 





From: ShieldsFamily






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: March 04, 2006
10:42





Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]
The 'spirit' of truthtalk?









Bible quiz: Where in scripture does it say
that it is a sin to (1) bear arms, (2) protect your nation from those who have
attacked it, (3) make war, (4) invade another country? A gold star be will
awarded to anyone with the correct answer. Izzy











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006
9:36 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
'spirit' of truthtalk?







That (those) foreign country (countries) did not attack the US,
Dean. I've already written on the one that did (Saudi Arabia was the nation from
which most of the hijackers came). You attack the wrong countries, Dean.







- Original Message - 





From: Dean Moore






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: March 04, 2006
07:21





Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
The 'spirit' of truthtalk?













cd:If that foreign country confronted and attacked the
United States initially and was beyond reasoning-as far as coming to terms-then
that country must except responsibility for their actions and the results of
their actions.In the below you seemed to agree with protection one's family
from danger-is this not also true for a country? If an aggressing Nation
started killing citizens of a peaceful Nation-should this be allowed without
defense?What if the aggressing Nation hid behind women and children and
continued the act of aggression.Should we allow our women/children get rapesand/or
killed when we could have stopped it?Before you judge our Nation as being evil
Lance-remember we could take over the entire world as Rome did-but have choosen
to help/feed the world instead-The U.S. has feed and clothed more people on the
face of the earththen any other Nation ever has in history. Are there
fractionswithin the U.S.causing
problems-Yes as Satan exists- but over all t he people in the U.S. are caring people. Is seems to
me that all Nations complain until they need our help. What if Russia attacked Canada-for
gains sake-do you think they haven't though of this?I believe they have and
your closeness to the U.S.
has deterred them.Think about it?





















- Original Message - 





From: Lance Muir






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org





Sent: 3/3/2006 6:06:55
PM 





Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
The 'spirit' of truthtalk?











Or Dean, if some foreign nation, say the United States of America, invaded
your sovereign territory, killing thousands of your women and
children..??











You illustrate my point to Christine well, Dean. Thanks Dean.
I appreciate this, Dean.







- Original Message - 





From: Dean Moore






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: March 03, 2006
17:30





Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
The 'spirit' of truthtalk?



































- Original Message - 





From: Lance Muir






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org





Sent: 3/1/2006 11:32:40
AM 





Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
The 'spirit' of truthtalk?











Christine:











If you missed the whole business of our 'moderate' (tor)
actually threatening to show up at someone's door in order to do physical
violence to them then, ask your dad for an update.It may be that you, IMO
wrongly, believe yourself incapable of anger that might lead to some form of
harm-doing (verbally/physically). Don't be grieved.

















Any response to the balance of the email?











Lance





cd: Lance lets keep this
in context. Is some man asked my wife about her sex life in detail I would be
at their door. My wife is put under my protection by God himself andI
will preformthat duty.That was involved in our earlier discussion that
you are bring up.Answer this Lance-If some sodomite
was molesting yourunderage son and the Police failed to act what would
you do? Or if some rapist broke into you house and was attacking your wife
would you defend her with violence?







- Original Message - 





From: Christine
Miller 





To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: March 01, 2006
11:22





Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
The 'spirit' of truthtalk?









Lance wrote:
Believers in all religions are equal opportunity 'throat slitters',
Christine. You, Christine, did not threaten such action. Do I believe, under
some circumstance, you capable of it? I do.

I am grieved that you believe me capable of such actions.

Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 Spirits of truthtalk?









- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 10:41:53 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 Spirits of truthtalk?

No kidding Dean, I've stayed in a cottage on Wolf Lake. SSSAAALLL world after all. Am I a suspect?
cd:Are we speaking about the same Wolf Lake area in Western North Carolina?Did you raise pigs or play the Banjo at that time-or are your mother and father from the same parents? If so you may be suspect but they caught the guy who shot the Dep.Sherrif.

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 05, 2006 10:33
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 Spirits of truthtalk?







- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 8:09:46 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 Spirits of truthtalk?

Please Dean. tell me that you don't play the banjo! :)
cd:-) No I do not Lance but get you meaning.I don't raise pigs either. But there are a few people in the area of "Little Canada" area-off of Hwy 281 past Wolf Lake whose family tree does not fork that do raise pigs.One even shot a deputy sheriffand road him around in the back of his pick-up for a week until the smell got so bad the his neighbors finally called the police.

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 05, 2006 07:37
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 Spirits of truthtalk?







- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 4:06:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

'Come to Jesus', Dean? How utterly presumptuous of you! North Carolina is it?
cd: I can tell the words of a lost man a mile away-if he speaks enough-thanks to God. Yep, N.C it is Lance. Remember the gorge in the Movie "Deliverance"? I live in the next gorge above that one.The movie"Fugitive"starring Harrison Ford was filmed in my home town. The scene where Ford jumped from the Fontana Dam drain tunnel is the state of the gorge that the movie"Deliverance" was filmed in. Nick Searcy who starred in Fried Green Tomatoes" play in "Fugitive" and was the pretend cop in " Top Gun" also came from my home town-I train him in Jeet-Con-Do for the " Ninja Turtle"part-Years ago. "The Last Mohican" was also filmed here.But if you really want to see a good movie-get"Loves enduring promise" and part 2 "Love Comes Softly". Kevin, Judy, Christine, Izzy-watch these with you children. I had the joy of doing so with my daughter.

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 04, 2006 14:37
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?







- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 11:49:55 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

How interesting is the American love for the destruction of fellow humans!! One can ALMOST sense the hope that is within you that they won't, repent that is, so that your *LOW president can nuke 'em, eh?

*Lord of War
cd: Still playing the violent opponent bit huh,Lance?Ignor all the truth and focus on what supports your world view? Come to the Jesus we know and you shall have thelight of understanding.

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 04, 2006 11:42
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?







- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 10:35:55 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

That (those) foreign country (countries) did not attack the US, Dean. I've already written on the one that did (Saudi Arabia was the nation from which most of the hijackers came). You attack the wrong countries, Dean.
cd:You have been fed misinformation,Come to know the Christ we know and you too will have delusions removed,Lance-Actually we attacked the Moslems extremists-Areyou suggestingthere are not any Moslems extremists in Iraq or Afghanistan?Hopefully we are just warming up for ourFather of all wars-unless they repent-of course.I say take them all out while we can-unless they repent.

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 04, 2006 07:21
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?


cd:If that foreign country confronted and attacked the United States initially and was beyond reasoning-as far as coming to terms-then that country must except responsibility for their actions and the results of their actions.In the below you seemed to agree with protection one's family from danger-is this not also true for a country? If an aggressing Nation started killing citizens of a peaceful Nation-should this be allowed without defense?What if the aggressing Nation hid behind women and children and continued the act of aggression.Should we allow our women/children get rapesand/or killed when we could have stopped

RE: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

You are proving my point with that one, Lance.  Anger is not always a sin.
Neither is violence.  God was angry.  God told Israel to go to war, etc.
(Can you get it?) Iz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 9:14 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

Eph 4:26

- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 05, 2006 10:09
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

 Bible quiz: Where does scripture say that violence is always a sin? Izzy

 Matt 11:12  And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of
 heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Moore
 Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:08 PM
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

 [Original Message]
 From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Date: 3/4/2006 11:17:31 AM
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

 Sure Dean, I don't know if I like the tone used in reference to me,
 David'.
 Given your history Dean, I actually interpreted this as an implicit
 threat.
 No kidding Dean, once a person, in this case you, has shown a capacity
 for
 violence (thus my remark later to DM/CM as an example of violence issuing
 from a believer - something they seemed to believe impossible) I'm alert
 to
 the possibility of it once again.  OK?

 cd; A little twisting of truth-to your favor-and play it to the hilt-huh,
 Lance?Tell me what violence have you ever seen me do?

 - Original Message - 
 From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: March 04, 2006 10:57
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

  cd: Please explain this remark Lance?

  [Original Message]
  From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Date: 3/4/2006 6:14:53 AM
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

  Can anyone other than me hear the implicit threat herein? This, DM/CM
 is
  that to which I made reference.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: March 03, 2006 17:34
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

   [Original Message]
   From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
   Date: 3/1/2006 1:12:39 PM
   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

   Lance wrote:
Believers in all religions are equal opportunity
'throat slitters', Christine. You, Christine, did
not threaten such action. Do I believe, under
some circumstance, you capable of it? I do.
Christine: If you missed the whole business of
our 'moderate' (tor) actually threatening to show
up at someone's door in order to do physical
violence to them then, ask your dad for an update.
It may be that you, IMO wrongly, believe yourself
incapable of anger that might lead to some form of
harm-doing (verbally/physically). Don't be grieved.

   Lance, you just don't know who you are talking to.  Christine is 
   not
   capable
   of this.  Ridiculous.  Christine has never even met Dean, so why
 would
   you
   even associate her with a comment that Dean made?
   cd: I don't know if I like the tone used in reference to me David. I
   remind
   you that you do not know me, nor does Lance.I situation Lance is
 bring
  up
   was in sexual reference to my wife who I am told to provide
 for-which
   is
   including protection from evil.

   David Miller

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cd; But they had gun (ecto-plasma type)also Lance. Couldn't cross the streams though.




- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 10:45:27 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment***

Why 'Ghostbusters' of course.

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 05, 2006 10:37
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment***


cd: Hey when the job get tough who would you call on to do it?




- Original Message - 
From: Christine Miller 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 10:15:04 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] *** To all list members-ModeratorComment***
G wrote:and he's the moderatorIt was Kevin that wrote that, not Dean. :-)[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 


..he thinks that semi-auto  sawed off self-defense ispretty good (for protectin' his  her)religion, Bro, and he's the moderator

On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:50:53 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

..cd's gonna have tosend hera sawed offKalishnikov just to protect herselffrom you, Bro

On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 19:40:24 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

whilethe lovelylady's locked intoLennon's lyrics? 

that's an Ad Hominemif there ever was one, Bro, totally disrespectful, impolite, imprudent, even impudent given the subject line of the thread

On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:10:53 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Thats it, Thats it, it is MANDATORY Densitivity Training for You!||I had a good deal of trouble understanding one sentence of that post




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- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 10:45:28 AM 
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Double Minded Luther - RC (reformed catholic)

I do Dean, eXpecially on Oscar day. C'mon 'Broke Back Mountain'!!
cd: I wouldn't watch such garbage Lance.

- Original Message - 

From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 05, 2006 10:40
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Double Minded Luther - RC (reformed catholic)







- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 9:00:20 AM 
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Double Minded Luther - RC (reformed catholic)

Stephen Seagal?
cd: No- but for one who dislikes our culture you seem to like themovies thatour culture produces Lance.

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 05, 2006 08:22
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Double Minded Luther - RC (reformed catholic)


Seems to me that M. Luther took on the opponent he could win against-rather then the evil of the RCC.There was a man -I knew-years ago that had a reputation for being a tough fighter-but upon closer scrutiny one could see that he chose his fights and walked away from the tough men-to fight the easy men. I believe that he did so for abig name and it worked.




- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Deegan 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 4:33:03 PM 
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Double Minded Luther - RC (reformed catholic)

Luther never had the courage of his convictions. Apparently there were no convictions as far as his theology of civIl magistrates  the Church - States,rule on morals  conscience.
The bible says a Double minded man is unstable in all his ways!

In the beginning of his Reformation work, he said:
"No one can command or ought to command the soul except God, who alone can show it the way to heaven. It is futile and impossible to command, or by force to compel any mans belief. Heresy is a spiritual thing, which no iron can hew down, no fire burn, no water drown Whenever the temporal power presumes to legislate for the soul, it encroaches."

Later, iIn writing how dissenting preachers should be dealt with, he advised:
"Since it is not good that in one parish the people should be exposed to contradictory preaching, he [the magistrate] should order to be silent whatever does not consist with the Scriptures."

Luther made his appeal to the civil ruler as the final judge and arbiter of truth, (rather than scripture) and believed that heretics should be delivered to the civil magistrate for punishment. When the Anabaptists in the lands of the Reformation taught the doctrine of immersion as the proper Scriptural mode of baptism, and proclaimed infant baptism as utterly useless and without divine authority, the great Protestant Reformers applied the whip, the sword, the torch, the firebrand, as well as fines, confiscation of property, and the dungeon cell to these dissenters. When the Protestant sects resorted to the civil authorities to punish heresy, it was merely a case of religious tyranny changing hands under a new religious regime. Reformed Catholics believe in capital punishment for the crime of BELIEF in believers baptism. Interestingly NONE of the 95 THESES adressed the RC Church - State!
Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In writing to Menius and Myconius in 1530, Martin Luther favored applying the sword to the Anabaptists. He said:"I am pleased that you intend to publish a book against the Anabaptists as soon as possible. Since they are not only blasphemous, but also seditious men, let the sword exercise its rights over them, for it is the will of God that he shall have judgment who resisteth the power."

Calvin said godly princes may lawfully issue edicts, for compelling obstinate and rebellious persons to worship the true God, and to maintain the unity of the faith; for, though faith is voluntary, yet we see that such methods are useful for subduing the obstinacy of those who will not yield until they are compelled 

Compare to this:

The magistrate is not by virtue of his office to meddle with religion, or matters of conscience, to force or compel men to this or that form of religion, or doctrine; but to leave Christian religion free, to every mans con-science, and to handle only civil transgressions.- McGlothlin, Baptist Confession of Faith, p. 82. published in 1614

Baptist Leonard Busher, A Citizen of London, which was presented to King James and the high court of Parliament then sitting, a work entitled, Religions Peace, or A Plea for Liberty of Conscience. For all good shepherds will divide and separate, and not force, slay, and persecute, Busher declared. Kings and magistrates are to rule temporal affairs by the swords of their temporal kingdoms, and bishops and ministers are to rule spiritual affairs by the word and Spirit of God, the sword of Christs spiritual kingdom, and

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Is 11:3And He will delight in the fear
of the LORD,
And He will not judge by
what His eyes (H)see,
Nor make a decision by
what His ears hear; 
4But
with (I)righteousness He will judge the (J)poor,
And decide with fairness
for the (K)afflicted of the earth;
And He will strike the
earth with the (L)rod of His mouth,
And with the (M)breath of His lips He will slay the wicked. 
5Also (N)righteousness will be the belt about
His loins,
And (O)faithfulness the belt about His
waist. 
6And
the (P)wolf will dwell with the lamb,
And the leopard will lie
down with the young goat,
And the calf and the
young lion [a]and the fatling together;
And a little boy will
lead them.























hey C, at the
rapture, you  cdgonna lay your Kalishnikov's at the feet of Christ?

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand




cd: Good to hear-Yes I do pray for your soul-NowI have to add Debbie the "F" wordto that list.




- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 10:52:29 AM 
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand

God doesn't hate YOU, Dean. Where'd ya ever cotten on to that sorta thinkin', huh? God loves you and the entire 'cast' of TT ('ceptin me but, y'all are prayin' for me aren't ya?)

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 05, 2006 10:47
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand







- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 10:32:32 AM 
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand

I believe that were you to 'search the scriptures' for that which God hates, this might well not be among them.IMO, of course.
cd: O.K. Lance what reason would God have for hating me?

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 05, 2006 10:25
Subject: RE: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand









- Original Message - 
From: Debbie Sawczak 
To: 'Lance Muir' 
Sent: March 04, 2006 17:25
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand

Yes! Your post below nailed the issue. Dean rivals Judy for not getting stuff.

How cutethat he thinksyou need rescue!

D
cd: We will see in time Debbie. Just keep using the "F" words in you language and mocking those who actually believe the wording of the Bible and I assure you I can be patient for the "One Truth" to make his decision and then we will see how "cute" things really are. May God bless you and His light shin upon you.

- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 11:39:55 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand

'MY' religion, Dean? Thereafter Dean, you assure me that no matter what I might say you will show me differently. Of course you will, Dean. That's the very point I've been making all along, Dean. 
cd: aah, but we can support what we say with the word of God Lance-can you?By the way this is what you group did to Judy, Lance-How does it feel to have a group of debaters pressing you at one time?I suspect David will help you out soon.
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Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand




As Mr. Lebowski said 'El duderino' if you're not 
into the brevity thing.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dean 
  Moore 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 05, 2006 11:19
  Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: 
  sinnersinhand
  
  
  cd: Good to hear-Yes I do pray for your soul-NowI have to 
  add Debbie the "F" wordto that list.
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Lance 
Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 10:52:29 AM 
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: 
sinnersinhand

God doesn't hate YOU, Dean. Where'd ya ever 
cotten on to that sorta thinkin', huh? God loves you and the entire 'cast' 
of TT ('ceptin me but, y'all are prayin' for me aren't ya?)

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dean 
  Moore 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 05, 2006 10:47
  Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] 
  emailing: sinnersinhand
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Lance 
Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 10:32:32 AM 
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] 
emailing: sinnersinhand

I believe that were you to 'search the 
scriptures' for that which God hates, this might well not be among 
them.IMO, of course.
cd: O.K. Lance what reason 
would God have for hating me?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dean Moore 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 05, 2006 10:25
  Subject: RE: Fw: [TruthTalk] 
  emailing: sinnersinhand
  
  
  
  
  
  
  


- Original Message - 
From: Debbie 
Sawczak 
To: 'Lance Muir' 
Sent: March 04, 2006 17:25
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] emailing: 
sinnersinhand

Yes! Your post below nailed the 
issue. Dean rivals Judy for not getting stuff.

How cutethat he 
thinksyou need rescue!

D
cd: We will see in time Debbie. 
Just keep using the "F" words in you language and mocking those who 
actually believe the wording of the Bible and I assure you I can be 
patient for the "One Truth" to make his decision and then we will 
see how "cute" things really are. May God bless you and His light 
shin upon you.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Lance Muir 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: 3/4/2006 11:39:55 AM 
  
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 
  emailing: sinnersinhand
  
  'MY' religion, Dean? Thereafter Dean, 
  you assure me that no matter what I might say you will show me 
  differently. Of course you will, Dean. That's the very point I've 
  been making all along, Dean. 
  cd: aah, but we can 
  support what we say with the word of God Lance-can you?By the way 
  this is what you group did to Judy, Lance-How does it feel to have 
  a group of debaters pressing you at one time?I suspect David will 
  help you out soon.
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- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 10:58:25 AM 
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The 2 Spirits of truthtalk?


We already have seen those nice movies, Dean. I attended a lecture by Janette Oke years ago at a Christian Writers Conference in Wheaton. I think I have signed copies of her books. Iz
cd: I am hoping to buy them (movies)once they get of the new listing-My daughter already has them.Do you have extra signed copies of her books?





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean MooreSent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 6:38 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 Spirits of truthtalk?










- Original Message - 

From: Lance Muir 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: 3/4/2006 4:06:00 PM 

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?



'Come to Jesus', Dean? How utterly presumptuous of you! North Carolina is it?

cd: I can tell the words of a lost man a mile away-if he speaks enough-thanks to God. Yep, N.C it is Lance. Remember the gorge in the Movie "Deliverance"? I live in the next gorge above that one.The movie"Fugitive"starring Harrison Ford was filmed in my home town. The scene where Ford jumped from the Fontana Dam drain tunnel is the state of the gorge that the movie"Deliverance" was filmed in. Nick Searcy who starred in Fried Green Tomatoes" play in "Fugitive" and was the pretend cop in " Top Gun" also came from my home town-I train him in Jeet-Con-Do for the " Ninja Turtle"part-Years ago. "The Last Mohican" was also filmed here.But if you really want to see a good movie-get"Loves enduring promise" and part 2 "Love Comes Softly". Kevin, Judy, C
hristine, Izzy-watch these with you children. I had the joy of doing so with my daughter.


- Original Message - 

From: Dean Moore 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: March 04, 2006 14:37

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?











- Original Message - 

From: Lance Muir 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: 3/4/2006 11:49:55 AM 

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?



How interesting is the American love for the destruction of fellow humans!! One can ALMOST sense the hope that is within you that they won't, repent that is, so that your *LOW president can nuke 'em, eh?



*Lord of War

cd: Still playing the violent opponent bit huh,Lance?Ignor all the truth and focus on what supports your world view? Come to the Jesus we know and you shall have thelight of understanding.


- Original Message - 

From: Dean Moore 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: March 04, 2006 11:42

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?











- Original Message - 

From: Lance Muir 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: 3/4/2006 10:35:55 AM 

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?



That (those) foreign country (countries) did not attack the US, Dean. I've already written on the one that did (Saudi Arabia was the nation from which most of the hijackers came). You attack the wrong countries, Dean.

cd:You have been fed misinformation,Come to know the Christ we know and you too will have delusions removed,Lance-Actually we attacked the Moslems extremists-Areyou suggestingthere are not any Moslems extremists in Iraq or Afghanistan?Hopefully we are just warming up for ourFather of all wars-unless they repent-of course.I say take them all out while we can-unless they repent.


- Original Message - 

From: Dean Moore 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: March 04, 2006 07:21

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?




cd:If that foreign country confronted and attacked the United States initially and was beyond reasoning-as far as coming to terms-then that country must except responsibility for their actions and the results of their actions.In the below you seemed to agree with protection one's family from danger-is this not also true for a country? If an aggressing Nation started killing citizens of a peaceful Nation-should this be allowed without defense?What if the aggressing Nation hid behind women and children and continued the act of aggression.Should we allow our women/children get rapesand/or killed when we could have stopped it?Before you judge our Nation as being evil Lance-remember we could take over the entire world as Rome did-but have choosen to help/feed the world instead-The U.S. has feed and clothed more people on the face of the earththen an
y other Nation ever has in history. Are there fractionswithin the U.S.causing problems-Yes as Satan exists- but over all t he people in the U.S. are caring people. Is seems to me that all Nations complain until they need our help. What if Russia attacked Canada-for gains sake-do you think they haven't though of this?I believe they have and your closeness to the U.S. has deterred them.Think about it?






- Original Message - 

From: Lance Muir 

To:

Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 Spirits of truthtalk?




'I shot the Sheriff but, I did not shoot the 
deputy'

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dean 
  Moore 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 05, 2006 11:10
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 Spirits of 
  truthtalk?
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Lance 
Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 10:41:53 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 Spirits 
of truthtalk?

No kidding Dean, I've stayed in a cottage on 
Wolf Lake. SSSAAALLL world after all. Am I a suspect?
cd:Are we speaking about the 
same Wolf Lake area in Western North Carolina?Did you raise pigs or play the 
Banjo at that time-or are your mother and father from the same parents? If 
so you may be suspect but they caught the guy who shot the 
Dep.Sherrif.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dean 
  Moore 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 05, 2006 10:33
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 
  Spirits of truthtalk?
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Lance 
Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 8:09:46 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 
Spirits of truthtalk?

Please Dean. tell me that you don't play 
the banjo! :)
cd:-) No I do not Lance but 
get you meaning.I don't raise pigs either. But there are a few people in 
the area of "Little Canada" area-off of Hwy 281 past Wolf Lake whose 
family tree does not fork that do raise pigs.One even shot a deputy 
sheriffand road him around in the back of his pick-up for a week 
until the smell got so bad the his neighbors finally called the 
police.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dean Moore 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 05, 2006 07:37
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 2 
  Spirits of truthtalk?
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 4:06:00 PM 

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 
'spirit' of truthtalk?

'Come to Jesus', Dean? How utterly 
presumptuous of you! North Carolina is it?
cd: I can tell the words of a lost man 
a mile away-if he speaks enough-thanks to God. Yep, N.C it is Lance. 
Remember the gorge in the Movie "Deliverance"? I live in the next 
gorge above that one.The movie"Fugitive"starring 
Harrison Ford was filmed in my home town. The scene where Ford 
jumped from the Fontana Dam drain tunnel is the state of the gorge 
that the movie"Deliverance" was filmed in. Nick Searcy who starred 
in Fried Green Tomatoes" play in "Fugitive" and was the pretend cop 
in " Top Gun" also came from my home town-I train him in Jeet-Con-Do 
for the " Ninja Turtle"part-Years ago. "The Last Mohican" was also 
filmed here.But if you really want to see a good movie-get"Loves enduring promise" and part 2 "Love Comes Softly". Kevin, Judy, Christine, 
Izzy-watch these with you children. I had the joy of doing so with 
my daughter.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dean Moore 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 04, 2006 
  14:37
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 
  'spirit' of truthtalk?
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - 

From: 
Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 11:49:55 AM 

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 
The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

How interesting is the American 
love for the destruction of fellow humans!! One can ALMOST sense 
the hope that is within you that they won't, repent that is, so 
that your *LOW president can nuke 'em, eh?

*Lord of War
cd: Still playing the violent opponent bit 
huh,Lance?Ignor all the truth and focus on what supports your 
world view? Come to the Jesus we know and you shall have 
thelight of understanding.

  - Original Message - 
  
  From: 
  Dean

Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?




myth (there's nothing private, 
quietor secretive about the resurrection, below--this is the 
biblical resurrection in Christ--a noisy event God stages; also, there is no NT 
word 'rapture' which means the 'rapture' doctrine is extra-biblical--it ain't 
there)


On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 10:01:18 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  I wonder if 
  Lance..believe[s] that Christ already returned in the first century 
  
  ||
  cd: It is the 
  rapture that Lance doesn't believe in Christine. 
  
  
  
  --
  
  1Th 
  4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from 
  heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of 
  God: and the dead in Christ 
  shall rise first: 
  ||

Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?




Time for an 'amen' from me. Thanks 
bro.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 05, 2006 11:27
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of 
  truthtalk?
  
  myth (there's nothing private, 
  quietor secretive about the resurrection, below--this is the 
  biblical resurrection in Christ--a noisy event God stages; also, there is no 
  NT word 'rapture' which means the 'rapture' doctrine is extra-biblical--it 
  ain't there)
  
  
  On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 10:01:18 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  

I wonder if 
Lance..believe[s] that Christ already returned in the first century 

||
cd: It is 
the rapture that Lance doesn't believe in Christine. 



--

1Th 
4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend 
from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the 
trump of God: and the dead in 
Christ shall rise first: 
||

RE: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand









I take that as a no. Iz











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 10:10
AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk]
emailing: sinnersinhand







Translation: No is the implicit answer. Why? 'Cause Lance
and his 'friend' Debbie, the one DM wishes were still on TT, have no
discernment when it comes to the Scriptures. Anyone notice how neither seems up
to the task, when challenged, to actually employ the scriptures in support of
any of their fatuous, PC observations? Close? 







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From: ShieldsFamily






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: March 05, 2006
11:05





Subject: RE: Fw:
[TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand









Do you think Lance will forward this post
to Debbie??? (Hint: The answer has two letters.) Iz











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Kevin Deegan
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 7:50
AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk]
emailing: sinnersinhand







What you don't get in all of your mental
gyrations and rationalizing is that





the scriptures are spiritually discerned
period. Your head is not up to the job











First one must set up a bunch of straw men  caricatures as your
assumptions.





Such as Fundamentalists are hicks.





Then the imagination can come up with all sorts of
enlightening ideas.





Problem is they are all based on a false premise





(BTW Deb could not deal with the facts they are troubling to her fable
based world view so she got out of the kitchen)











For instance case in point





Inherit the wind





http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053946/





Based on NON reality yet most people BELIEVE this fairy tale/ fable
version





It is more fun than reality





See how the intelligensia trip over themselves calling it BRILLIANT LOL





what a Brilliant FABLE? Fascinating fictionalized account?
LOL





http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/scopes/SCO_INHE.HTM





ROTFL











IN FACT the textbook at the center of the controversy was horrific





Hunter's Civic Biology CHECK IT
OUT





http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/scopes/hunt192.htm





It taught the pseudoSCIENCE of EUGENICS!





...Hundreds of families such as those described above exist
today, spreading disease, immorality, and crime to all parts of this
country Just as certain animals or plants become parasitic on other plants
or animals, these families have become parasitic
on society (Hunter 1914 p. 263).





The lower forms of humanity should not procreate but be sterilaized or
put in asylums





Among other SHOCKING details.





The WHITE RACE is the highest
type of race (Hunter 1914 p. 196).





http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/scopes/hunt196.htm











If you are interested in TRUTH rather than FABLE see these  the
referenced links on those pages.











Follow the trail of Public school Biology to Eugenics  US Goverment FINANCED
Eugenics http://www.amphilsoc.org/library/mole/e/ero.htm





 Funding of Eugenics in America http://www.eugenics-watch.com/roots/chap12.html





 Nazzi (it was a natural progression) http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/021500-02.htm





It began on long Island and never really ended at Auschwitz
http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/











FACTS The Christians are demonized, while the evolutionists are made to
be the heroes.Christians objected to the racism and eugenics associated
with the evolutionary movement of the early 20th century, the scientific folks
bought into EUGENICS and we all know where that lead. Hold yur breath you lower
form jews.











FACTS can be FASCINATING THINGS!





http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/scopes.html





http://print.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft9702/iannone.html





http://www.doesgodexist.org/SepOct96/ExposingTheLieInheritTheWind.html





http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i1/scopes.asp





http://www.bible.ca/ef/topical-the-big-lie-of-inherit-the-wind.htm





http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v12/i3/summer.asp











LOOKS like the gullible are actually the psuedo
INTELLIGENSIA who have swallowed the LIE and ended up really Inheriting the
wind!





The highminded are very prideful about there
superiority in things too high for you 'others' to really grasp (watch out they
may try to put you away inteligensia Eugenics)





Pride goeth before a FALL!











Prov 11:29 He that troubleth his own house
shall inherit the wind: and the fool shall be servant to the wise of heart.











It is also interesting how riddled with
holes this is, I guess that is why the intelligensia must create
caricatures/fables can't deal with the facts as they are.





See also new bibles...






Judy Taylor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:







Judy gets what is important and so does
Dean





What you don't get in all of

RE: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance









She does live there now. I believe she was
born an Aussie. They are spunky types Down Under, arent they? Iz











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dean Moore
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 9:45
AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: RE: Fw: [TruthTalk]
Continuing repentance































- Original Message - 





From: ShieldsFamily






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org





Sent: 3/5/2006 10:10:57
AM 





Subject: RE: Fw:
[TruthTalk] Continuing repentance









Yes, Judy is VERY Southerntry Austrialia!
Iz

cd: Wow-is Judy in Australia? I
thought it was Virginia.I do remember her mentioning Australia in her Postings.











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Moore
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006
1:20 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk]
Continuing repentance































- Original Message - 





From: Lance Muir






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org





Sent: 3/4/2006 11:26:37
AM 





Subject: Re: Fw:
[TruthTalk] Continuing repentance











First Dean, that was not the point of my reference. What
does it say of you that your mind would go to that part of the film? I showed
someone the trailer yesterday so as to demonstrate the clash of cultures.





cd: Be honest Lance. This
posting you sent clearly showyour believe/bias that southern women (Judy)
are as the women of the movie Deliverance which would lead one to
believe the southern men are as the men in the movie that had sex with pigs- as
you made the last of the sentence (Anyone see 'Deliverance' (circa 1972)?connect with the first part of the sentence(.You can take the (wo)man out of the south but...) . If you were insinuation something differently then say so? I am
all ears?Did you mean to insult our women (Judy)or not Lance?





Lance wrote:







You can take the (wo)man out of the south butAnyone see
'Deliverance' (circa 1972)?









- Original Message - 





From: Dean Moore






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: March 04, 2006
11:20





Subject: Re: Fw:
[TruthTalk] Continuing repentance



































- Original Message - 





From: Lance Muir






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org





Sent: 3/4/2006 10:33:05
AM 





Subject: Re: Fw:
[TruthTalk] Continuing repentance











Why is that Kevin? Did you see the film?





cd:Lance why are you
answering my post as to Kevin and Kevin's posts as to
Dean? Yes I have seen both Deliverance (Burt
Reynolds)-it was filmed a couple of miles from my house- and Lord of
War(Nich. Cage).And as to your suggest-we do not have sex with pigs-so
cut it out!







- Original Message - 





From: Dean Moore






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: March 04, 2006
07:38





Subject: Re: Fw:
[TruthTalk] Continuing repentance













cd: Lance, I reject what
you are suggesting. People from Canada
that speak this way will only hurt their own Nation -in time.





















- Original Message - 





From: Lance Muir






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org





Sent: 3/4/2006 5:53:28
AM 





Subject: Re: Fw:
[TruthTalk] Continuing repentance











You can take the (wo)man out of the south butAnyone see
'Deliverance' (circa 1972)?







- Original Message - 





From: Kevin
Deegan 





To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: March 04, 2006
01:25





Subject: Re: Fw:
[TruthTalk] Continuing repentance











Do you have a reference
for us concerningthese cages Luther used?





see following BUT Keep in mind these guys
were first REFORMED Catholics (eg REFORMERS one and all) who later
converted to Anabaptism in addition in their later lives they got involved in
polygamy. You can take the man out of Roman Catholicism, it is much harder to
take the Roman Catholicism out of the man!











http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_Knipperdolling





From June 24 - 25, 1535, the Bishop, with
the aid of the deserter Henry Gresbeck,
retook M|nster. Knipperdolling, Bockelson and Bernhard Krechting were imprisoned and
interrogated. In On January 22,
1536, Knipperdolling,
Krechting, and Bockelson were publicly tortured and executed in M|nster. Their corpses
were suspended in a cage from the Lambertuskirche (St. Lambert's Church),
which had been the initial focus of the Anabaptist revolution.





Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

 [Original Message]
 From: David Miller 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
 Date: 2/26/2006 11:58:10 PM
 Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance

 RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fw: Continuing repentancecd wrote:
  Judy did you know that M.Luther had Street
  Preachers put in oversize bird cages and
  hung up in the church even on Sunday morning
  while he and his followers worshiped God.

 I hope you understand that not all Anabaptists were good street
preachers. 
 Some of them were

[TruthTalk] Moderator**************************




cd: No personal attack here towards you Lance-so no Ad.Hom.-but the "Dancing Brotherhood" is most definitely being attacked and if someone here was named "Dancing Brotherhood"I would give Dean a warning.But to attack a cult is not Ad. Hom. If Dean told DaveH that Mormons arestupiedfor follow the teaching of Joseph Smith then this isn't an Ad.Hom attack- but if Dean were to say to DaveH "You are a stupid Mormon!" Then that would be considered Ad. Hom.See the difference? By the way: Good point Dean!




- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 11:16:29 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

Please ask the MODERATOR to scan this post for ad-homs will you Dean? ('dancing brotherhood' 'keep on dancing around', 'try asking them') No, I don't have particularly broad shoulders but, I can bear up under the weight of this mighty assault, Dean. Dean: the operative word was 'teachable' which is what you are not.I do know an intractable position when I see one, Dean.

- Original Message - 

From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 05, 2006 11:05
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?


cd: So I take it that you don't know Lance?No accusations going on here lance-just asking a question-If this is not teaching about the Rapture what does it mean? Doesn't the dancing brotherhood you claim not have a Idea for the meaning of this passage or do they just keep on dancing around this passage also-If you don't know Lance-Try asking them?




- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 10:40:30 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

Those ON TT who fall into the category 'open to be taught' are now OFF TT. Go ahead and hurl all of the usual accusations! On this matter Dean, YOU ARE NOT TEACHABLE!

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 05, 2006 10:33
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?


cd:Then by all means teach us what 1 Thess.4:13-18 means to you Lance?




- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 8:24:58 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

LANCE DOESN'T:
1. Believe the 'rapture AT Dean's teaching - this is correct
2. Believe what Jesus says - this is incorrect
3. (Derive) comfort from the quotations included in this post - this is incorrect

SOMETIMES SOME of the things said (meant) on TT are scarier than Count Floyd.
- Original Message - 

From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 05, 2006 08:12
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?







- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/4/2006 4:17:02 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

I do Christine but, these are not synonymous. Are they?
cd: It is the rapture that Lance doesn't believe in Christine. So some people-who believe in Christ-some where are going to be called up first from the graves and then those alive will be siezed up ( rupture=a derivative of theGreek for seized up) and changed in a moment to what has been described to be a body like Christ because they believe . But Lance doesn't believe this is going to happen-no matter what Jesus says.So Lance has no comfort with the below words because he does not believe the Bible.


1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. 

- Original Message - 
From: Christine Miller 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 04, 2006 14:46
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Wait a minute. You don't believe Jesus is returning?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 


Christine, some are some are not and, yes this one is. The so-called 'rapture' is a theological fiction. Look at the history of William Miller or JNDarby or LaHaye/Jenkins or Clarence Larkin or, or, or...

- Original Message - 
From: Christine Miller 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 04, 2006 01:10
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
Lance wrote:the rapture is comingIs this a list of ideas that are

Re: [TruthTalk] The End-Times

2006-03-05 Thread Christine Miller

Lance wrote:  they ('the end times)   are fodder for disagreement among those who believe that they have read the   scriptures aright. I am in agreement (though I believe it is possible to read the  scriptures 'aright')! Have you heard the old joke, "Some people are  pre-Trib, some are post-Trib, but I'm Pan-Trib. I think it's all going  to pan out in the end." :-)   Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Well Christine, simply that they ('the end times)   are fodder for disagreement among those who believe that they have read the   scriptures aright. They got them thar 'charts' ya know! I do know that we're   2,000 years
 beyond His bodily ascension to the right hand of the Father where He   intercedes on our behalf.  - Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 18:28Subject: [TruthTalk] The End-TimesActually, I don't know. I don't know much about end-times theology, but I do know Jesus is coming back for His Bride. What do you believe about the end-times, Lance?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:I do Christine but, these are not synonymous.   Are they?  - Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 14:46Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?   
 Wait a minute. You don't believe Jesus is returning?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christine, some are some are not and, yes   this one is. The so-called 'rapture' is a theological fiction. Look at   the history of William Miller or JNDarby or LaHaye/Jenkins or Clarence   Larkin or, or, or...  - Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 04, 2006 01:10Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Lance wrote:the rapture is comingIs this a list of ideas that are ridiculous to you? You don't believe the rapture is coming, Lance?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The earth is flat, we did't actually go   to the moon (it was shot in a movie studio), the moon is made of   green cheese, the universe is geocentric, alien abductions   proliferate, the rapture is coming, 6 day young earth creationism   ought to be taught in schools (?), RCC is/is not Christian, US   foreign policy is flawless,the trilateral commission works for   the good of womankind, all TRUE believers understand scripture as it   should be understood and all TRUE believers live sin   free.Of course facts matter and, they are   not irrelevant.  - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 03, 2006 06:16Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Facts are such STUBBORN thingsAre they irrelevant in your opinion?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Simply read the 'subject' along   with the content ('spirit' - so much anger, judgmentalism,   self-righteousness and pride!) of some of the posts of some. I   rest my case your honor.  - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent:
 March 02, 2006 19:08Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?Some of those in Rwanda who perpetrated the genocide were believers.WRONG AGAINStop slurring Christians by trying to lump them in with Catholic KILLERS.You play real loose with Facts. Are Facts irrelevant to you?Maybe you need a program so you can
 tell apart the players?http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53018-2002Sep22.htmlRwandan nuns were

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand

Then you're wrong.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  ShieldsFamily 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Sent: March 05, 2006 11:29
  Subject: RE: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: 
  sinnersinhand

  I take that as a no. 
  Iz

  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 10:10 
  AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: 
  sinnersinhand

  Translation: No is the implicit 
  answer. Why? 'Cause Lance and his 'friend' Debbie, the one DM wishes were 
  still on TT, have no discernment when it comes to the Scriptures. Anyone 
  notice how neither seems up to the task, when challenged, to actually employ 
  the scriptures in support of any of their fatuous, PC observations?" Close? 

- Original Message - 

From: ShieldsFamily 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: March 
05, 2006 11:05

Subject: RE: Fw: 
[TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand

Do you think Lance 
will forward this post to Debbie??? (Hint: The answer has two letters.) 
Iz

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 7:50 
AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: 
sinnersinhand

What you don't get in all of your 
mental gyrations and rationalizing is 
that

the scriptures are "spiritually 
discerned" period. Your head is not up to the 
job

First one must set up a bunch of straw men  
caricatures as your assumptions.

Such as Fundamentalists are 
hicks.

Then the imagination can come up with all sorts of 
"enlightening" ideas.

Problem is they are all based on a false 
premise

(BTW Deb could not deal with the facts they are 
troubling to her fable based world view so she got out of the 
kitchen)

For instance case in 
point

Inherit the wind

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053946/

Based on NON reality yet most people BELIEVE this 
fairy tale/ fable version

It is more fun than 
reality

See how the intelligensia trip over themselves 
calling it BRILLIANT LOL

what a Brilliant FABLE? Fascinating "fictionalized 
account"? LOL

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/scopes/SCO_INHE.HTM

ROTFL

IN FACT the textbook at the center of the 
controversy was horrific

Hunter's Civic 
Biology CHECK IT OUT

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/scopes/hunt192.htm

It taught the pseudo"SCIENCE" of EUGENICS!

..."Hundreds of families such as those described 
above exist today, spreading disease, immorality, and crime to all parts of 
this country Just as certain animals or plants become parasitic on other 
plants or animals, these families have become parasitic on society" (Hunter 
1914 p. 263).

The lower forms of humanity should not procreate but 
be sterilaized or put in asylums

Among other SHOCKING 
details.

The WHITE RACE is "the highest type of race" (Hunter 
1914 p. 196).

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/scopes/hunt196.htm

If you are interested in TRUTH rather than FABLE see 
these  the referenced links on those 
pages.

Follow the trail of Public school "Biology" to 
Eugenics  US 
Goverment FINANCED Eugenics http://www.amphilsoc.org/library/mole/e/ero.htm

 Funding of Eugenics in America http://www.eugenics-watch.com/roots/chap12.html

 Nazzi (it was a natural progression) http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/021500-02.htm

It began on long Island and never really ended at 
Auschwitz http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/

FACTS The Christians are demonized, while the 
evolutionists are made to be the heroes.Christians objected to the 
racism and eugenics associated with the evolutionary movement of the early 
20th century, the scientific folks bought into EUGENICS and we all know 
where that lead. Hold yur breath you lower form 
jews.

FACTS can be FASCINATING 
THINGS!

http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/scopes.html

http://print.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft9702/iannone.html

http://www.doesgodexist.org/SepOct96/ExposingTheLieInheritTheWind.html

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i1/scopes.asp

http://www.bible.ca/ef/topical-the-big-lie-of-inherit-the-wind.htm

http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v12/i3/summer.asp

LOOKS like the gullible are actually the psuedo 
INTELLIGENSIA who have swallowed the LIE

RE: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand









Good!











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 10:39
AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk]
emailing: sinnersinhand







Then you're wrong.







- Original Message - 





From: ShieldsFamily






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: March 05, 2006
11:29





Subject: RE: Fw:
[TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand









I take that as a no. Iz











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 10:10
AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk]
emailing: sinnersinhand







Translation: No is the implicit answer. Why? 'Cause Lance
and his 'friend' Debbie, the one DM wishes were still on TT, have no
discernment when it comes to the Scriptures. Anyone notice how neither seems up
to the task, when challenged, to actually employ the scriptures in support of
any of their fatuous, PC observations? Close? 







- Original Message - 





From: ShieldsFamily






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: March 05, 2006
11:05





Subject: RE: Fw:
[TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand









Do you think Lance will forward this post
to Debbie??? (Hint: The answer has two letters.) Iz











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Kevin Deegan
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 7:50
AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk]
emailing: sinnersinhand







What you don't get in all of your mental
gyrations and rationalizing is that





the scriptures are spiritually
discerned period. Your head is not up to the job











First one must set up a bunch of straw men  caricatures as your
assumptions.





Such as Fundamentalists are hicks.





Then the imagination can come up with all sorts of
enlightening ideas.





Problem is they are all based on a false premise





(BTW Deb could not deal with the facts they are troubling to her fable
based world view so she got out of the kitchen)











For instance case in point





Inherit the wind





http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053946/





Based on NON reality yet most people BELIEVE this fairy tale/ fable
version





It is more fun than reality





See how the intelligensia trip over themselves calling it BRILLIANT LOL





what a Brilliant FABLE? Fascinating fictionalized account?
LOL





http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/scopes/SCO_INHE.HTM





ROTFL











IN FACT the textbook at the center of the controversy was horrific





Hunter's Civic Biology CHECK IT
OUT





http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/scopes/hunt192.htm





It taught the pseudoSCIENCE of EUGENICS!





...Hundreds of families such as those described above exist
today, spreading disease, immorality, and crime to all parts of this
country Just as certain animals or plants become parasitic on other plants
or animals, these families have become parasitic
on society (Hunter 1914 p. 263).





The lower forms of humanity should not procreate but be sterilaized or
put in asylums





Among other SHOCKING details.





The WHITE RACE is the highest
type of race (Hunter 1914 p. 196).





http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/scopes/hunt196.htm











If you are interested in TRUTH rather than FABLE see these  the
referenced links on those pages.











Follow the trail of Public school Biology to Eugenics  US Goverment FINANCED
Eugenics http://www.amphilsoc.org/library/mole/e/ero.htm





 Funding of Eugenics in America http://www.eugenics-watch.com/roots/chap12.html





 Nazzi (it was a natural progression) http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/021500-02.htm





It began on long Island and never really ended at Auschwitz
http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/











FACTS The Christians are demonized, while the evolutionists are made to
be the heroes.Christians objected to the racism and eugenics associated
with the evolutionary movement of the early 20th century, the scientific folks
bought into EUGENICS and we all know where that lead. Hold yur breath you lower
form jews.











FACTS can be FASCINATING THINGS!





http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/scopes.html





http://print.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft9702/iannone.html





http://www.doesgodexist.org/SepOct96/ExposingTheLieInheritTheWind.html





http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i1/scopes.asp





http://www.bible.ca/ef/topical-the-big-lie-of-inherit-the-wind.htm





http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v12/i3/summer.asp











LOOKS like the gullible are actually the psuedo
INTELLIGENSIA who have swallowed the LIE and ended up really Inheriting the
wind!





The highminded are very prideful about there
superiority in things too high for you 'others' to really grasp (watch out they
may try to put you away inteligensia Eugenics)





Pride goeth before a FALL!











Prov 11:29

Re: [TruthTalk] The End-Times




I have. 

Christine, I perceive that those who might actually 
have engage you on matters of substance as you continue to think out your faith 
have either been kicked off or, decided to take a walk. I stay for the humour 
(CDN SP).

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Christine 
  Miller 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 05, 2006 11:37
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 
  End-Times
  Lance wrote:they ('the end times) 
  are fodder for disagreement among those who believe that they have read the 
  scriptures aright. I am in agreement (though I believe it is possible 
  to read the scriptures 'aright')! Have you heard the old joke, "Some people 
  are pre-Trib, some are post-Trib, but I'm Pan-Trib. I think it's all going to 
  pan out in the end." :-) Lance Muir 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

Well Christine, simply that they ('the end 
times) are fodder for disagreement among those who believe that they have 
read the scriptures aright. They got them thar 'charts' ya know! I do know 
that we're 2,000 years beyond His bodily ascension to the right hand of the 
Father where He intercedes on our behalf.

  - 
  Original Message - 
  From: 
  Christine 
  Miller 
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: 
  March 04, 2006 18:28
  Subject: 
  [TruthTalk] The End-Times
  Actually, I don't know. I don't know much about end-times 
  theology, but I do know Jesus is coming back for His Bride. What do you 
  believe about the end-times, Lance?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 
  

I do Christine but, these are not 
synonymous. Are they?

  - 
  Original Message - 
  From: 
  Christine Miller 
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: 
  March 04, 2006 14:46
  Subject: 
  Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
  Wait a minute. You don't believe Jesus is 
  returning?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 
  

Christine, some are some are not and, 
yes this one is. The so-called 'rapture' is a theological fiction. 
Look at the history of William Miller or JNDarby or LaHaye/Jenkins 
or Clarence Larkin or, or, or...

  - 
  Original Message - 
  From: 
  Christine Miller 
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: 
  March 04, 2006 01:10
  Subject: 
  Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
  Lance wrote:the rapture 
  is comingIs this a list of ideas that are ridiculous to 
  you? You don't believe the rapture is coming, 
  Lance?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 
  

The earth is flat, we did't 
actually go to the moon (it was shot in a movie studio), the 
moon is made of green cheese, the universe is geocentric, alien 
abductions proliferate, the rapture is coming, 6 day young earth 
creationism ought to be taught in schools (?), RCC is/is not 
Christian, US foreign policy is flawless,the trilateral 
commission works for the good of womankind, all TRUE believers 
understand scripture as it should be understood and all TRUE 
believers live sin free.

Of course facts matter and, they 
are not irrelevant.

  - 
  Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin Deegan 
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: 
  March 03, 2006 06:16
  Subject: 
  Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?
  
  Facts are such STUBBORN things
  
  Are they irrelevant in your 
  opinion?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  

Simply read the 'subject' along 
with the content ('spirit' - so much anger, judgmentalism, 
self-righteousness and pride!) of some of the posts of some. 
I rest my case your honor.

  - 
  Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin Deegan 
  
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent:

RE: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance









- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 11:35:49 AM 
Subject: RE: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance


She does live there now. I believe she was born an Aussie. They are spunky types Down Under, arent they? Iz

cd: If I ever have to go to war I'm taking Judy with me:-)Wait- I am in a war and Judy is with me. Great, everything is as it should be.





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean MooreSent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 9:45 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance










- Original Message - 

From: ShieldsFamily 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: 3/5/2006 10:10:57 AM 

Subject: RE: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance


Yes, Judy is VERY Southerntry Austrialia! Iz
cd: Wow-is Judy in Australia? I thought it was Virginia.I do remember her mentioning Australia in her Postings.





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean MooreSent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:20 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance










- Original Message - 

From: Lance Muir 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: 3/4/2006 11:26:37 AM 

Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance



First Dean, that was not the point of my reference. What does it say of you that your mind would go to that part of the film? I showed someone the trailer yesterday so as to demonstrate the clash of cultures.

cd: Be honest Lance. This posting you sent clearly showyour believe/bias that southern women (Judy) are as the women of the movie "Deliverance" which would lead one to believe the southern men are as the men in the movie that had sex with pigs- as you made the last of the sentence (Anyone see 'Deliverance' (circa 1972)?connect with the first part of the sentence(.You can take the (wo)man out of the south but...) . If you were insinuation something differently then say so? I am all ears?Did you mean to insult our women (Judy)or not Lance?

Lance wrote:


You can take the (wo)man out of the south butAnyone see 'Deliverance' (circa 1972)?


- Original Message - 

From: Dean Moore 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: March 04, 2006 11:20

Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance











- Original Message - 

From: Lance Muir 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: 3/4/2006 10:33:05 AM 

Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance



Why is that Kevin? Did you see the film?

cd:Lance why are you answering my post as to" Kevin" and Kevin's posts as to "Dean"? Yes I have seen both "Deliverance" (Burt Reynolds)-it was filmed a couple of miles from my house- and "Lord of War"(Nich. Cage).And as to your suggest-we do not have sex with pigs-so cut it out!


- Original Message - 

From: Dean Moore 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: March 04, 2006 07:38

Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance




cd: Lance, I reject what you are suggesting. People from Canada that speak this way will only hurt their own Nation -in time.






- Original Message - 

From: Lance Muir 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: 3/4/2006 5:53:28 AM 

Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance



You can take the (wo)man out of the south butAnyone see 'Deliverance' (circa 1972)?


- Original Message - 

From: Kevin Deegan 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: March 04, 2006 01:25

Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance



Do you have a reference for us concerningthese cages Luther used?

see following BUT Keep in mind these guys were first REFORMED Catholics (eg REFORMERS one and all) who later converted to Anabaptism in addition in their later lives they got involved in polygamy. You can take the man out of Roman Catholicism, it is much harder to take the Roman Catholicism out of the man!



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_Knipperdolling

From June 24 - 25, 1535, the Bishop, with the aid of the deserter Henry Gresbeck, retook M|nster. Knipperdolling, Bockelson and Bernhard Krechting were imprisoned and interrogated. In On January 22, 1536, Knipperdolling, Krechting, and Bockelson were publicly tortured and executed in M|nster. Their corpses were suspended in a cage from the Lambertuskirche (St. Lambert's Church), which had been the initial focus of the Anabaptist revolution.
Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 [Original Message] From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:  Date: 2/26/2006 11:58:10 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fw: Continuing repentancecd wrote:  Judy did you know that M.Luther had Street  Preachers put in oversize bird cages and  hung up in the church even on Sunday morning  while he and his followers worshiped God. I hope you understand that not all Anabaptists were good streetpreachers.  Some of them were polygamists who did

RE: [TruthTalk] The End-Times












Christine, I perceive that those who might actually have engage you on matters of substance as you continue to think out your faith have either been kicked off or, decided to take a walk. I stay for the humour (CDN SP).

cd: Lance I know that I am going to regret this but what does (CDN SP) mean??

Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?




cd; We all receive what we desire from the word of God ,Gary ,or from the words of another for that matter if we overlook the meaning behind the words.So blindness is a chose in both cases.




- Original Message - 
From: 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 11:51:15 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?


the rest of 'emare blind, eh?

On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 07:15:59 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message -  From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 05, 2006 07:10 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?||
..most people see what they want to see.||

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand

2006-03-05 Thread Christine Miller

No, Lance, I am interested in hearing you answer Dean's question. Or perhaps to put it in a better form, "What reason would God have for hating Dean's behavior?"And you know darn well that Jesus loves you. Voraciously, He loves you, Lance.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: God doesn't hate YOU, Dean. Where'd ya ever cotten on to that sorta thinkin', huh? God loves you and the entire 'cast' of TT ('ceptin me but, y'all are prayin' for me aren't ya?) - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 05, 2006 10:47Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/5/2006 10:32:32 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhandI believe that were you to 'search the scriptures' for that which God hates, this might well not be among them.IMO, of course. cd: O.K. Lance what reason would God have for hating me? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 05, 2006 10:25Subject: RE: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: March 04, 2006 17:25 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand
Yes! Your post below nailed the issue. Dean rivals Judy for not getting stuff.How cutethat he thinksyou need rescue!D cd: We will see in time Debbie. Just keep using the "F" words in you language and mocking those who actually believe the wording of the Bible and I assure you I can be patient for the "One Truth" to make his decision and then we will see how "cute" things really are. May God bless you and His light shin upon you. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: 3/4/2006 11:39:55 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand'MY' religion, Dean? Thereafter Dean, you assure me that no matter what I might say you will show me differently. Of course you will, Dean. That's the very point I've been making all along, Dean. cd: aah, but we can support what we say with the word of God Lance-can you?By the way this is what you group did to Judy, Lance-How does it feel to have a group of debaters pressing you at one time?I suspect David will help you out soon. --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free
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cd:Then Gary- How about you explaining1 Thess.4:13-18. If seems that then "dancing brotherhood" cannot do so-How about the "singing brotherhood"?If one is to say others are incorrect then it is the duty or that one to offer the correct teaching(s)-if not then the one should remain silent while those with knowledge step forward-or lose all creditability as Lance had done in my opinion of this matter.




- Original Message - 
From: 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 11:30:01 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

myth (there's nothing private, quietor secretive about the resurrection, below--this is the biblical resurrection in Christ--a noisy event God stages; also, there is no NT word 'rapture' which means the 'rapture' doctrine is extra-biblical--it ain't there)


On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 10:01:18 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


I wonder if Lance..believe[s] that Christ already returned in the first century 
||
cd: It is the rapture that Lance doesn't believe in Christine. 


--

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 
||

RE: [TruthTalk] The End-Times









My guess: Canandian Speak.
J Iz











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Moore
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 11:00
AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The
End-Times































Christine, I perceive that those who might actually have
engage you on matters of substance as you continue to think out your faith have
either been kicked off or, decided to take a walk. I stay for the humour (CDN
SP).



cd: Lance I know that I am going to regret this but
what does (CDN SP) mean??

Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?




myth (the bible 
revealsto his ppl all thatGod desires to reveal--evidence suggests 
that you've made ofit what youwant made)

On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 12:12:30 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  cd; We all receive what we desire from the word of 
  God
  ||

Re: [TruthTalk] Truth Gossip

cd: Hey Marlin- I still dumpster dive-No different from a flea market- But
now days the nice people at the dumpsters place the stuff out for me if it
is any good-if not- they have a good return policy.Got a TV with a cd
player for my camper just the other day and a snow board for my
grandson:-)Waste not want not.

 [Original Message]
 From: Marlin halverson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Date: 2/21/2006 9:12:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Truth  Gossip

 Dear David Miller,

 I believe that my first post was critical of the way that members were 
 treating one-another.  Soon after, I found myself to be a recipient of ad 
 hominem remarks.  Since that time I have been very sparing with what I
have 
 contributed to the forum.

 Thank you David Miller, for maintaining your dignity throughout the time
I 
 have been tuned in to TT.  You have my highest respect.

 I have not yet unsubscribed from TT.  I am now waiting to see as Caroll
is 
 making an effort to improve the forum.  He has my support in so doing.

 Alas, there has been an occasional golden nugget.  Hanging around is akin
to 
 the times in my life when I have gone dumpster diving to find something
of 
 value.  And I appreciate getting to know of others who are using their 
 unique gifts and methods to minister for God.

 Love,

 Marlin

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cd: Why would one of God's want anything God does not want to reveal?If one is walking close to God he will want what the Holy Spirit leads him to want and to ask for-that is what Jesus is speaking of when he states that If one has faith then he will receive from God whatever he wants.




- Original Message - 
From: 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 12:30:08 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

myth (the bible revealsto his ppl all thatGod desires to reveal--evidence suggests that you've made ofit what youwant made)

On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 12:12:30 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


cd; We all receive what we desire from the word of God
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Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?




theissue 
you'repressingnow relates to 4:16, doesn't it?


"there's nothing 
private, quietor secretive about the resurrection, below--this is 
the biblical resurrection in Christ, 
a noisy event God 
stages; also, there is no NT word 'rapture' which means the 'rapture' doctrine 
is extra-biblical--
it ain't 
there" - g



On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 12:20:49 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  ..How about you explaining1 
  Thess.4:13-18...
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/5/2006 11:30:01 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' 
of truthtalk?

myth (there's nothing private, 
quietor secretive about the resurrection, below--this is the 
biblical resurrection in Christ--a noisy event God stages; also, there is no 
NT word 'rapture' which means the 'rapture' doctrine is extra-biblical--it 
ain't there)


On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 10:01:18 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  I wonder if 
  Lance..believe[s] that Christ already returned in the first century 
  
  ||
  cd: It is 
  the rapture that Lance doesn't believe in Christine. 
  
  
  
  --
  
  1Th 
  4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend 
  from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the 
  trump of God: and the dead in 
  Christ shall rise first: 
  ||

Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

2006-03-05 Thread Dave Hansen






DAVEH: Dean, from what you said previously about the oneness of
husband and wife, if I were to ask you about your wife's sexual
history, you would take that as a personal attack on your wife and
would then presume it to be a personal attack on you as well, and then
proceed to come to Portland and show up on my doorstep.is that
correct? Wouldn't it be smarter just to say the same thing to me via
email or a phone call, rather than show up on my doorstep? What would
be accomplished by coming to Portland? 

 If I were then to assume you are on my doorstep for a reason other
than an amicable discussion, and felt my life was being threatened by
your presence on my doorstep, I would probably not answer the door.
Wouldn't that just frustrate your reason for going to all that effort,
cost, time and travel in an effort to come to my doorstep? Would you
proceed to pound on my door expecting me to open it? If I did not
respond to your pounding, then what would you do? And if you continued
to pound on my door, what would you do if I opened it with a gun in my
hand, as I might do if I perceived you as being a threat to me in my
home? 

 At that point, if you turned and left, nothing else would happen
and you would have spent a lot of effort for little reason other than
to satisfy your pride. If on the other hand you were to raise the
level of confrontation by arguing, and if I misunderstood the reasons
you were on my doorstep confronting me and refusing to leave, would you
be surprised if it led to a lethal action on my part?

 IF that above scenario were to occur, how do you think the law
would view this matter? Would I be found guilty of manslaughter, or
would you be guilty of threatening my life to the point of my using
justifiable lethal means in self-defense? In my defense, I'm sure my
lawyer would quote your comment

one should
not connect two thoughts together that one does not intent to belong
together-it will most certainly led others to mistake your meaning.

..as evidence to show that you are quite aware that you know
that showing up on my doorstep could be mistakenly understood as an act
of aggression. So Dean, knowing this, why would you continue to
say...
I will show up at their door and they can explain their remarks to me
...when you know it is likely your reason for showing up will most certainly led
others to mistake your meaning? Wouldn't it be
much smarter to instead discuss such matters at a non-threatening
distanceIOW, why can't those remarks  be discussed
over the phone or via email?

 In a subsequent post, with regard to using a weapon..

I would use one to protect my family. 

...it might be construed that hearing the discussion of sexual
matters regarding your wife would make you think it is justifiable to
use violent means when going to the offenders doorstep. Even other
TTers have implied that your threats could be considered to be
serious

cd's gonna have tosend hera sawed
offKalishnikov just to protect herselffrom you, Bro

and..

he thinks that
semi-auto  sawed off self-defense ispretty good (for protectin'
his  her)religion, Bro, and he's the moderator

not to mention the comments of one excommunicated TTer who was
willing to take you to the mat. So Dean, I will repeat me above
questionwould it not be wiser to simply discuss such matters from a
distance, rather than provoke a situation that might rage out of
control? Why would you feel compelled to physically confront the one
with whom you disagree?


Dean Moore wrote

  Dean:It was verbally explicit. I believed you! Were you not telling the 
truth?
  
  cd: Meant every word of it Lance-If someone asks my wife such question I
will show up at their door and they can explain their remarks to me.What
you choose to take as a violence act if up to your imagine-for most people
see what they want to see. 
  



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Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

2006-03-05 Thread Dave Hansen





DAVEH: Dean, does this not qualify as an ad-hom?

Dean Moore wrote:

  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  cd: or lose all creditability as
Lance had done in my opinion of this matter.
  
  


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e.g., what do you 
believe about authority,self-defense the rapture that God 
revealed?


On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 12:45:44 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  cd: Why would one of God's want anything God does not want to 
  reveal?
  ||

Re: [TruthTalk] The End-Times

Canadian spelling - (our vs or suffix)

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  ShieldsFamily 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Sent: March 05, 2006 12:21
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The 
  End-Times

  My guess: Canandian 
  Speak. J 
  Iz

  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean MooreSent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 11:00 
  AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] The 
  End-Times

Christine, I perceive that those 
who might actually have engage you on matters of substance as you continue 
to think out your faith have either been kicked off or, decided to take a 
walk. I stay for the humour (CDN SP).

cd: Lance I know that I am going 
to regret this but what does (CDN SP) 
mean??

Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?




Amen DH! It would've been so even had he employed 
the word 'credibility'!

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dave Hansen 
  
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 05, 2006 12:52
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of 
  truthtalk?
  DAVEH: Dean, does this not qualify as an 
  ad-hom?Dean Moore wrote: 
  








cd: or lose all creditability 
as Lance had done in my opinion of this matter.
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Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of truthtalk?

Welcome into the 'room', DH. IMO, an excellent
presentation. As foreman of this jury, I'll pronounce the verdict just
after..

- Original Message -
From:
Dave Hansen

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: March 05, 2006 12:52
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The 'spirit' of
truthtalk?
DAVEH: Dean, from what you said previously
about the oneness of husband and wife, if I were to ask you about your
wife's sexual history, you would take that as a personal attack on your wife
and would then presume it to be a personal attack on you as well, and then
proceed to come to Portland and show up on my doorstep.is that
correct? Wouldn't it be smarter just to say the same thing to me via
email or a phone call, rather than show up on my doorstep? What would be
accomplished by coming to Portland? If I were
then to assume you are on my doorstep for a reason other than an amicable
discussion, and felt my life was being threatened by your presence on my
doorstep, I would probably not answer the door. Wouldn't that just
frustrate your reason for going to all that effort, cost, time and travel in
an effort to come to my doorstep? Would you proceed to pound on my door
expecting me to open it? If I did not respond to your pounding, then
what would you do? And if you continued to pound on my door, what would
you do if I opened it with a gun in my hand, as I might do if I perceived you
as being a threat to me in my home? At that
point, if you turned and left, nothing else would happen and you would have
spent a lot of effort for little reason other than to satisfy your
pride. If on the other hand you were to raise the level of confrontation
by arguing, and if I misunderstood the reasons you were on my doorstep
confronting me and refusing to leave, would you be surprised if it led to a
lethal action on my part? IF that above scenario
were to occur, how do you think the law would view this matter? Would I
be found guilty of manslaughter, or would you be guilty of threatening my life
to the point of my using justifiable lethal means in self-defense? In my
defense, I'm sure my lawyer would quote your commentone should not connect two
thoughts together that one does not intent to belong together-it will most
certainly led others to mistake your
meaning...as evidence to show that you
are quite aware that you know that showing up on my doorstep could be
mistakenly understood as an act of aggression. So Dean, knowing this,
why would you continue to say...I will show up at their door and they can explain their remarks to me...when
you know it is likely your reason for showing up will most certainly led others to mistake your
meaning? Wouldn't it be much smarter to instead
discuss such matters at a non-threatening distanceIOW, why can't those
remarks be discussed over the phone or via
email? In a subsequent post, with regard to using a
weapon..I would use one to protect my family.
...it might be construed that hearing the discussion of
sexual matters regarding your wife would make you think it is justifiable to
use violent means when going to the offenders doorstep. Even other TTers
have implied that your threats could be considered to be
seriouscd's gonna have tosend
hera sawed offKalishnikov just to protect herselffrom you,
Broand..he thinks that semi-auto sawed off
self-defense ispretty good (for protectin' his her)religion,
Bro, and he's the moderatornot to
mention the comments of one excommunicated TTer who was willing to take you to
the mat. So Dean, I will repeat me above questionwould it not be
wiser to simply discuss such matters from a distance, rather than provoke a
situation that might rage out of control? Why would you feel compelled
to physically confront the one with whom you disagree?Dean Moore
wrote
Dean:It was verbally explicit. I believed you! Were you not telling the
truth?
cd: Meant every word of it Lance-If someone asks my wife such question I
will show up at their door and they can explain their remarks to me.What
you choose to take as a violence act if up to your imagine-for most people
see what they want to see.

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Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand




Lose the adverbs, Christine. Also, lose the word 
'delicious'. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Christine 
  Miller 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 05, 2006 12:18
  Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: 
  sinnersinhand
  No, Lance, I am interested in hearing you answer Dean's 
  question. Or perhaps to put it in a better form, "What reason would God have 
  for hating Dean's behavior?"And you know darn well that Jesus loves 
  you. Voraciously, He loves you, Lance.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  



God doesn't hate YOU, Dean. Where'd ya ever 
cotten on to that sorta thinkin', huh? God loves you and the entire 'cast' 
of TT ('ceptin me but, y'all are prayin' for me aren't ya?)

  - 
  Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dean 
  Moore 
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: 
  March 05, 2006 10:47
  Subject: 
  Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
- 
Original Message - 
From: 
Lance 
Muir 
To: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 
3/5/2006 10:32:32 AM 
Subject: 
Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand

I believe that were you to 
'search the scriptures' for that which God hates, this might well not be 
among them.IMO, of course.
cd: O.K. Lance 
what reason would God have for hating 
me?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Dean Moore 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 05, 2006 10:25
  Subject: RE: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: 
  sinnersinhand
  
  
  
  
  
  
  


- 
Original Message - 
From: 
Debbie 
Sawczak 
To: 'Lance Muir' 
Sent: March 04, 2006 17:25
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] emailing: 
sinnersinhand

Yes! Your post below nailed the 
issue. Dean rivals Judy for not getting stuff.

How cutethat he 
thinksyou need rescue!

D
cd: We will see in time Debbie. 
Just keep using the "F" words in you language and mocking those who 
actually believe the wording of the Bible and I assure you I can be 
patient for the "One Truth" to make his decision and then we will 
see how "cute" things really are. May God bless you and His light 
shin upon you.

  - 
  Original Message - 
  From: 
  Lance Muir 
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: 
  3/4/2006 11:39:55 AM 
  Subject: 
  Re: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand
  
  'MY' religion, Dean? Thereafter Dean, 
  you assure me that no matter what I might say you will show me 
  differently. Of course you will, Dean. That's the very point I've 
  been making all along, Dean. 
  cd: aah, but we can 
  support what we say with the word of God Lance-can you?By the way 
  this is what you group did to Judy, Lance-How does it feel to have 
  a group of debaters pressing you at one time?I suspect David will 
  help you out soon.
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RE: [TruthTalk] The End-Times









Same difference, not?











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 2:12
PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The
End-Times







Canadian spelling - (our vs or suffix)







- Original Message - 





From: ShieldsFamily






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: March 05, 2006
12:21





Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]
The End-Times









My guess: Canandian
Speak. J Iz











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dean Moore
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 11:00
AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The
End-Times































Christine, I perceive that those who might actually have
engage you on matters of substance as you continue to think out your faith have
either been kicked off or, decided to take a walk. I stay for the humour (CDN
SP).



cd: Lance I know that I am going to regret this but
what does (CDN SP) mean??

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand

2006-03-05 Thread Christine Miller

Why, Lance? Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lose the adverbs, Christine. Also, lose the word 'delicious'. - Original Message - From: Christine Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 05, 2006 12:18Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhandNo, Lance, I am interested in hearing you answer Dean's question. Or perhaps to put it in a better form, "What reason would God have for hating Dean's behavior?"And you know darn well that Jesus loves you. Voraciously, He loves you, Lance.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:God doesn't hate YOU, Dean. Where'd ya ever cotten on to that sorta thinkin', huh? God loves you and the entire 'cast' of TT ('ceptin me but, y'all are prayin' for me aren't ya?) - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 05, 2006 10:47Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/5/2006 10:32:32 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhandI believe that were you to 'search the scriptures' for that which God hates, this might well not be among them.IMO, of course. cd: O.K. Lance what reason would God have for hating me? - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 05, 2006 10:25Subject: RE: Fw: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand
- Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: March 04, 2006 17:25 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhandYes! Your post below nailed the issue. Dean rivals Judy for not getting stuff.How cutethat he thinksyou need
rescue!D cd: We will see in time Debbie. Just keep using the "F" words in you language and mocking those who actually believe the wording of the Bible and I assure you I can be patient for the "One Truth" to make his decision and then we will see how "cute" things really are. May God bless you and His light shin upon you. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: 3/4/2006 11:39:55 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] emailing: sinnersinhand'MY' religion, Dean? Thereafter Dean, you assure me that no matter what I might say you will show me differently. Of course you will, Dean. That's the very point I've
been making all along, Dean. cd: aah, but we can support what we say with the word of God Lance-can you?By the way this is what you group did to Judy, Lance-How does it feel to have a group of debaters pressing you at one time?I suspect David will help you out soon. --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.2/274 - Release Date: 3/3/2006Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
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