RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[ShieldsFamily]

A dung-beetle stuck in the mud!

 









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DAVEH:   Hmm...Perhaps...You are the son of a dung beetle.?
:-) 

Lance Muir wrote: 

I've no idea what a slang equivalent would be in Jesus
day, Iz. 




So you're telling me you think Jesus would
affectionately refer to you as 
"poop"??? 





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Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[Lance Muir]

Ad homs: (1) Dishonest? Not never but not often. More likely expressed 
through self-deception. (2) An arrogant son of a gun? Some of what you've 
written that I've read over time 'reads' that way to me. (3) A poop? As the 
definition is elusive, I'd give that one a pass unless it means legalist.



- Original Message - 
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: October 17, 2005 16:29
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit



JD wrote:

The left knows exactly then they are being
ad hom and usually do "repent."


I have not heard any of you repent for calling me dishonest, an arrogant 
son

of a gun, and a poop.  Are these not ad hom statements?

JD wrote:

Daivd can give three choices  --  uneducated, dishonest
or "just plain stupid" and then (falsely) claim that this is
not ad hom.


I never said "uneducated."  I referred to a level of understanding that
would be lower than that which is represented by you.  For example, you
claim that you have had formal education in New Testament Greek and that 
you

are able to read the Greek New Testament, but based upon many things you
say, I find myself doubting that you really can read Greek.

JD wrote:

 And why does he not narrow the three choices?
Why didn't he?  God back and read of his logic.
BECAUSE TO DO SO WOULD VIOLATE THE
AD HOM RULE ON THIS FORUM.  David is an
avowed legalist.   As a result, he believes he can construct
insults in such a way as to not go over the line, technically
speaking...when it is abundantly clear what
he really meant.   He didn't narrow it down because he didn't
need.   He believes all three about me.
Whatever.


John, I do NOT believe all three about you.  Some of this was said tongue 
in

cheek, as I'm sure you are well aware.  I'm sure there were others who
laughed at what I wrote.  You gave your thinking about why I would write 
as

I did.  Let me now give you a little more insight into my thinking.

I have explained in the past that I have learned a scientific way of
thinking called inductive inference.  It is formally known as Strong
Inference.  It is a method whereby we consider explanations by listing as
many hypotheses as we can and then disproving each one until only one
remains.  This kind of process shapes much of what I write.  It is part of
the reductionist way that I think.  In this case, I was simply considering
the possible explanations to explain what appeared to me to be your
blindness concerning translating texts.  These were 3 possible
interpretations.  I tossed them out there to see if you would either
acknowledge the validity of one of them, or perhaps add another 
alternative
hyposthesis to the list.  As the Lord is my witness, I would love for you 
to

add a fourth alternative that would not only explain all the
inconsistencies, but would put you in the best possible light.

Peace be with you.
David Miller.

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know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) 
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Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[Dave Hansen]

DAVEH:   Hmm...Perhaps...You are the son of a dung beetle.?
 :-) 

Lance Muir wrote:
I've
no idea what a slang equivalent would be in Jesus day, Iz.
  
  
  So you're telling me you think Jesus would
affectionately refer to you as

"poop"???

  


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RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[ShieldsFamily]

Our house is available! We could have a TT
Convention! iz

 

















I think I can have fun with any other
topic.   We 

could all meet in Missouri, somewhere.  

Anyway   ---  what were
those basics that you disagreed with?  

Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[knpraise]

  -Original Message-From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:29:16 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit


JD wrote:
> The left knows exactly then they are being
> ad hom and usually do "repent."

I have not heard any of you repent for calling me dishonest, an arrogant son 
of a gun, and a poop.  Are these not ad hom statements?"I have not heard any of you  " and then you quote only wording that appears in my post,  AndYes, your are correct, Sir   -   no part of me has repented for telling the truth in this case.Ad hom?/ you ask.   Com'on David.   You are arrogant - at times,=You are a stick in the mud (i,e, "poop as aopposed to pooper).  You are often dishonest with yourself,   Me , on the other hand, well I have a lot of faults but beinng stupid is probably not one of those things.   
JD wrote:
> Daivd can give three choices  --  uneducated, dishonest
> or "just plain stupid" and then (falsely) claim that this is
> not ad hom.

I never said "uneducated."  I referred to a level of understanding that 
would be lower than that which is represented by you.  For example, you 
claim that you have had formal education in New Testament Greek and that you 
are able to read the Greek New Testament, but based upon many things you 
say, I find myself doubting that you really can read Greek.Actually, David,  I never said that I can read the Greek New Testament.  I have never said anything close to that statement. You just ade that one up  ..  plain and simple.   I have taken two years ofGreek,  ...   I think they were called, Frist Year Greek and, well,  Second Year Greek.Anyway  --what specifically do you have in mind that makes your think I have no formal Greek?   

JD wrote:
>  And why does he not narrow the three choices?
> Why didn't he?  God back and read of his logic.
> BECAUSE TO DO SO WOULD VIOLATE THE
> AD HOM RULE ON THIS FORUM.  David is an
> avowed legalist.   As a result, he believes he can construct
> insults in such a way as to not go over the line, technically
> speaking...when it is abundantly clear what
> he really meant.   He didn't narrow it down because he didn't
> need.   He believes all three about me.
> Whatever.

John, I do NOT believe all three about you.  Some of this was said tongue in 
cheek, as I'm sure you are well aware.  I'm sure there were others who 
laughed at what I wrote.  You gave your thinking about why I would write as 
I did.  Let me now give you a little more insight into my thinking.

I have explained in the past that I have learned a scientific way of 
thinking called inductive inference.  It is formally known as Strong 
Inference.  It is a method whereby we consider explanations by listing as 
many hypotheses as we can and then disproving each one until only one 
remains.  This kind of process shapes much of what I write.  It is part of 
the reductionist way that I think.  In this case, I was simply considering 
the possible explanations to explain what appeared to me to be your 
blindness concerning translating texts.  These were 3 possible 
interpretations.  I tossed them out there to see if you would either 
acknowledge the validity of one of them, or perhaps add another alternative 
hyposthesis to the list.  As the Lord is my witness, I would love for you to 
add a fourth alternative that would not only explain all the 
inconsistencies, but would put you in the best possible light.  There are actually four possible considerations,  David.   But that fourth one never enters your mindwhen it comes to poor old dumb John Smithson.   did you really think that I might go for any of the three choices?   Let's a;ll get together sometime next year  --  and you and I debate something.Nothing important  -- actually something rather silly. I can be a pretty funny guy and your senseof humor is rather amazing, as well.   Or make it something serious.   You pick  -
-  I take the other side.Anything  except "Jesus is Lord."   I think I can have fun with any other topic.   We could all meet in Missouri, somewhere.  Anyway   ---  what were those basics that you disagreed with?  

Peace be with you.
David Miller. 

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Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[David Miller]

JD wrote:
> The left knows exactly then they are being
> ad hom and usually do "repent."

I have not heard any of you repent for calling me dishonest, an arrogant son 
of a gun, and a poop.  Are these not ad hom statements?

JD wrote:
> Daivd can give three choices  --  uneducated, dishonest
> or "just plain stupid" and then (falsely) claim that this is
> not ad hom.

I never said "uneducated."  I referred to a level of understanding that 
would be lower than that which is represented by you.  For example, you 
claim that you have had formal education in New Testament Greek and that you 
are able to read the Greek New Testament, but based upon many things you 
say, I find myself doubting that you really can read Greek.

JD wrote:
>  And why does he not narrow the three choices?
> Why didn't he?  God back and read of his logic.
> BECAUSE TO DO SO WOULD VIOLATE THE
> AD HOM RULE ON THIS FORUM.  David is an
> avowed legalist.   As a result, he believes he can construct
> insults in such a way as to not go over the line, technically
> speaking...when it is abundantly clear what
> he really meant.   He didn't narrow it down because he didn't
> need.   He believes all three about me.
> Whatever.

John, I do NOT believe all three about you.  Some of this was said tongue in 
cheek, as I'm sure you are well aware.  I'm sure there were others who 
laughed at what I wrote.  You gave your thinking about why I would write as 
I did.  Let me now give you a little more insight into my thinking.

I have explained in the past that I have learned a scientific way of 
thinking called inductive inference.  It is formally known as Strong 
Inference.  It is a method whereby we consider explanations by listing as 
many hypotheses as we can and then disproving each one until only one 
remains.  This kind of process shapes much of what I write.  It is part of 
the reductionist way that I think.  In this case, I was simply considering 
the possible explanations to explain what appeared to me to be your 
blindness concerning translating texts.  These were 3 possible 
interpretations.  I tossed them out there to see if you would either 
acknowledge the validity of one of them, or perhaps add another alternative 
hyposthesis to the list.  As the Lord is my witness, I would love for you to 
add a fourth alternative that would not only explain all the 
inconsistencies, but would put you in the best possible light.

Peace be with you.
David Miller. 

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Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[knpraise]

Yikes    there's two one toothers on TT ???
 
JD  -Original Message-From: Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 07:59:18 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit



 
 

 

- Original Message - 
From: Dave Hansen 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 10/16/2005 2:08:46 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

DAVEH:   Ahhh Brother Dean..Sounds like you are anxiously looking forward to doing battle!    Do you always approach others not sharing your perspective as enemies?     BTW.What you want TTers to believe to be your fang, is most likely just your single tooth protruding whenever you grin.  :-D 
cd: GRRROOOWWL

Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[Dave Hansen]

DAVEH:  I can't tell.is that a smile Dean, or are your grinding
your teeth!     :-\ 

Dean Moore wrote:

  
  
  
  
DAVEH:   Ahhh Brother Dean..Sounds
like you are anxiously looking forward to doing battle!    Do you
always approach others not sharing your perspective as enemies? 

    BTW.What you want TTers to believe to be your fang, is most
likely just your single tooth protruding whenever you grin.  :-D 
cd:
GRRROOOWWL


  


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Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[Dean Moore]

 
 

 

- Original Message - 
From: Dave Hansen 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 10/16/2005 2:08:46 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

DAVEH:   Ahhh Brother Dean..Sounds like you are anxiously looking forward to doing battle!    Do you always approach others not sharing your perspective as enemies?     BTW.What you want TTers to believe to be your fang, is most likely just your single tooth protruding whenever you grin.  :-D 
cd: GRRROOOWWL

Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[Dave Hansen]

DAVEH:   Ahhh Brother Dean..Sounds like you are anxiously
looking forward to doing battle!    Do you always approach others not
sharing your perspective as enemies? 

    BTW.What you want TTers to believe to be your fang, is most
likely just your single tooth protruding whenever you grin.   :-D 

Dean Moore wrote:

  
  
  
   
  
DAVEH:  That the fighting will
continue is not in question, but rather how good the fight
will be is what needs to be pondered.
  
  cd: (with white fang showing) it is coming and it will be
good-Just rest up for a little while gramps-and I will be with you soon
:-)


Christine Miller wrote: 

   Keep fighting the good fight!
 



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RE: [TruthTalk] On Knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[ShieldsFamily]

Too funny, JD!!! ROFL! iz

 









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Knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit



 







I am not going to continue to defend myself to you,
Judy.  You do not ask such questions for any useful
purpose.    David does not accept my opinion of him, does
he?   Do I not have the right to disagree with his opinions about me,
as well?   We will probably never get past a little personal tit for
tat,  but I am not interested in such being the primary subject of my
postings.   





 





But, and this is my last word on this subject,  if I
meant to say that David was full of shit,  I would have said it just
that way.   Plain enough ???!!  "Full of poop" is not
what I said.   Do you know what a party pooper is?   I do and it has nothing to do with
the brown stuff.  I am truly losing I.Q points as I write
this.   End of discussion.  





 





JD  



 
-Original Message-
From: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>
To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:39:53 -0400
Subject: [TruthTalk] On Knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit







JD wrote:





What I INTENDED is what I said.   The rest of
you enlightened Holy-Ghost-





gave-me-the =truth=about-you  folks, not
withstanding.   I know what I intended  ..  





you do not.  





 





Just thinking about
the above statement in more depth JD.





How come this
applies to you but not to DavidM? 
He knows what he intended





also but you are
continually accusing him of evil motives and manipulating. Why?

Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[knpraise]

Sorry.   Back to the original subject  ..  which I believe was the work of insulting Lance or was it Gary?   I forget.  
 
Jd  -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:50:15 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit






JD, why can?t you just get over it whenever someone sleights you in some manner? You have such a huge ego problem IMO.  (I?m taking really HUGE?you will probably rehearse this for weeks or months!) No one else on TT does this except you.  My advice: get back to the original subject or forget it; we?re tired of it already. iz
 




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 8:02 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit
 



My own kids have said  "you are  such a poop, Dad" after my telling them that we are not going to do sucha dn such.   What I INTENDED is what I said.   The rest of you enlightened Holy-Ghost-gave-me-the =truth=about-you  folks, not withstanding.   I know what I intended  ..  you do not.   

 

 

ad hom on this forum is a joke.   The right has no clue and virtually never backs off an ad hom.  The left knows exactly then they are being ad hom and usually do "repent."   

 

Daivd can give three choices  --  uneducated, dishonest or "just plain stupid" and then (falsely) claim that this is not ad hom.  And why does he not narrow the three choices?   Why didn't he?  God back and read of his logic.   BECAUSE TO DO SO WOULD VIOLATE THE AD HOM RULE ON THIS FORUM.  David is an avowed legalist.   As a result, he believes he can construct insults in such a way as to not go over the line, technically speaking...when it is abundantly clear what he really meant.   He didn't narrow it down because he didn't need.   He believes all three about me.  

 

Whatever.  

 

JD  

 

 

 

-Original Message-From: Terry Clifton <wabbits1234@earthlink.net>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 07:17:27 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



"poop" in the context of my post meant "stick in the mud."   

 

JD 
==
Totally unacceptable explanation.  Poop and mud have entirely different characteristics.  Mud is a mixture of soil and water.  Poop can be a mixture of many things.  Poop, of course, can turn to soil over time, but not necessarily to mud.Please come up with a different explanation, or you will be known as a glorbflad who ad homs.Thank you in advance.Terry

Re: [TruthTalk] On Knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[knpraise]

I am not going to continue to defend myself to you, Judy.  You do not ask such questions for any useful purpose.    David does not accept my opinion of him, does he?   Do I not have the right to disagree with his opinions about me, as well?   We will probably never get past a little personal tit for tat,  but I am not interested in such being the primary subject of my postings.   
 
But, and this is my last word on this subject,  if I meant to say that David was full of shit,  I would have said it just that way.   Plain enough ???!!  "Full of poop" is not what I said.   Do you know what a party pooper is?   I do and it has nothing to do with the brown stuff.  I am truly losing I.Q points as I write this.   End of discussion.  
 
JD   -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <jandgtaylor1@juno.com>To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:39:53 -0400Subject: [TruthTalk] On Knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit



JD wrote:
What I INTENDED is what I said.   The rest of you enlightened Holy-Ghost-
gave-me-the =truth=about-you  folks, not withstanding.   I know what I intended  ..  
you do not.  
 
Just thinking about the above statement in more depth JD.
How come this applies to you but not to DavidM?  He knows what he intended
also but you are continually accusing him of evil motives and manipulating. Why?

Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[Dean Moore]

 
 

 

- Original Message - 
From: Dave Hansen 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 10/15/2005 12:16:44 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

DAVEH:  That the fighting will continue is not in question, but rather how good the fight will be is what needs to be pondered.
cd: (with white fang showing) it is coming and it will be good-Just rest up for a little while gramps-and I will be with you soon :-)
Christine Miller wrote: 
 Keep fighting the good fight!
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Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[Lance Muir]

Thanks Christine. Your comments, I have every confidence, are well intended 
though somewhat patronising. Way back on TT I employed the subject 
'My theology can beat up your theology'. All theological thinking is done 
within the triadic structure of God/Man/World and, Divine & Contingent 
order. As you and your Dad mature you will grow into, one hopes, a more 
'realist' understanding of the foregoing.'Til then I shall continue to 
appreciate the writing both of you submit to TT.


A recommendation:PBS online 'Commanding Heights'.; particularly section one 
on Keynes & Hayak.


One delights to hear of a friendship between parents and children.   .
- Original Message - 
From: "Christine Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: October 15, 2005 11:51
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit



What a disappointing response, Lance. I hope you pray
about the importance of faith in knowing the mind of
God.

BTW, it is not by works that I abstain from the
destructive things of the world. It is by the Holy
Spirit in my life.

If He is your best friend, closer than a brother, how
could you speak of Him as such an ineffectual force?
My parents are my best friends in the world, and I
would not say THEIR influence on me is as weak as you
make the Holy Spirit's influence out to be. Their
influence on me is so strong because I ALLOW them to
have strong influence. Equally, by faith, I give the
Lord the greatest influence over me. I submit by
simple faith.

I am truly, truly sorry that you do not understand
this.


Blessings

PS- I will be signing off very soon, I have a Calculus
exam on Monday. But it was great to speak with you all
again. I will continue to lurk, however. :-) Lord
bless you all, dear brothers and sisters. Keep
fighting the good fight!

--- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hello again, Christine. Thanks for delineating your
position, your Dad's
position and, I'd suppose one held by many. Whatever
'works' for ya, guys.


- Original Message - 
From: "Christine Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 21:31
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father
through the Son by the Spirit


> Lance wrote:
>> Humanity and fallibility, even with the
indwelling
>> of the HS, guarantee the
>> mishandling of the Scriptures on occasion.
>
> Lance, this is a statement devoid of faith. Trust
the
> Most High God. If He says He will teach you, and
lead
> you into all truth, that is a powerful I.O.U.. I
think
> He's good for it. It's like Treasury stock. You
know
> it's a reliable investment. (I'm taking my first
> accounting class this semester, lol).
>
> That sentence is almost an irrational statement.
It's
> like me being scared to death I'm going to get
AIDS,
> even though I don't do anything to put me at risk.
>
> Equally, God told me He wants me to know His mind.
I
> know it's possible to be weak and not know Him or
> understand His word, but He's given me the means
to
> know and understand Him, just as I have the means
to
> avoid AIDS (by the godly wisdom of remaining
chaste
> and abstaining from drugs). When we lean not onto
our
> own understanding, but trust him with all our
heart,
> he will direct our path. To fret about the
obstacles
> in our path is an irrational fear, because, well,
He's
> God. That's a very lofty title, but He bears it
well.
>
> It's foolish and worthless for me to worry about
AIDS,
> when God's Holy Spirit and wisdom protects me from
> such things. Yes, it exists, just as our human
> weakness does, but He has provided the remedy: the
> Holy Spirit. Don't sell it so short, Lance.
>
>
> Blessings!
>
> --- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> You could be no clearer than that, David.
>>
>> Please identify the one(s) who have NEVER
mishandled
>> the Scriptures on TT.
>> (dfn:to deal with something without the necessary
>> care or skill).
>>
>> Do remember, won't you, that this conversation
>> included misunderstanding and
>> misinterpretation.
>>
>> Humanity and fallibility, even with the
indwelling
>> of the HS, guarantee the
>> mishandling of the Scriptures on occasion.
>>
>> .
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>> To: 
>> Sent: October 14, 2005 12:44
>> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father
>> through the Son by the Spirit
>>
>>
>> > Lance wrote:
>> >> So David, you believe my observation to be
>> >> FALSE!?? IFF you do not then say so.
>> >
>>

Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[Dave Hansen]

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but rather how good the fight will be is what needs to be
pondered.

Christine Miller wrote:

   Keep fighting the good fight!
  

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Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[Christine Miller]

What a disappointing response, Lance. I hope you pray
about the importance of faith in knowing the mind of
God.

BTW, it is not by works that I abstain from the
destructive things of the world. It is by the Holy
Spirit in my life.

If He is your best friend, closer than a brother, how
could you speak of Him as such an ineffectual force?
My parents are my best friends in the world, and I
would not say THEIR influence on me is as weak as you
make the Holy Spirit's influence out to be. Their
influence on me is so strong because I ALLOW them to
have strong influence. Equally, by faith, I give the
Lord the greatest influence over me. I submit by
simple faith.  

I am truly, truly sorry that you do not understand
this.


Blessings

PS- I will be signing off very soon, I have a Calculus
exam on Monday. But it was great to speak with you all
again. I will continue to lurk, however. :-) Lord
bless you all, dear brothers and sisters. Keep
fighting the good fight!

--- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello again, Christine. Thanks for delineating your
> position, your Dad's 
> position and, I'd suppose one held by many. Whatever
> 'works' for ya, guys.
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Christine Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: October 14, 2005 21:31
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father
> through the Son by the Spirit
> 
> 
> > Lance wrote:
> >> Humanity and fallibility, even with the
> indwelling
> >> of the HS, guarantee the
> >> mishandling of the Scriptures on occasion.
> >
> > Lance, this is a statement devoid of faith. Trust
> the
> > Most High God. If He says He will teach you, and
> lead
> > you into all truth, that is a powerful I.O.U.. I
> think
> > He's good for it. It's like Treasury stock. You
> know
> > it's a reliable investment. (I'm taking my first
> > accounting class this semester, lol).
> >
> > That sentence is almost an irrational statement.
> It's
> > like me being scared to death I'm going to get
> AIDS,
> > even though I don't do anything to put me at risk.
> >
> > Equally, God told me He wants me to know His mind.
> I
> > know it's possible to be weak and not know Him or
> > understand His word, but He's given me the means
> to
> > know and understand Him, just as I have the means
> to
> > avoid AIDS (by the godly wisdom of remaining
> chaste
> > and abstaining from drugs). When we lean not onto
> our
> > own understanding, but trust him with all our
> heart,
> > he will direct our path. To fret about the
> obstacles
> > in our path is an irrational fear, because, well,
> He's
> > God. That's a very lofty title, but He bears it
> well.
> >
> > It's foolish and worthless for me to worry about
> AIDS,
> > when God's Holy Spirit and wisdom protects me from
> > such things. Yes, it exists, just as our human
> > weakness does, but He has provided the remedy: the
> > Holy Spirit. Don't sell it so short, Lance.
> >
> >
> > Blessings!
> >
> > --- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> You could be no clearer than that, David.
> >>
> >> Please identify the one(s) who have NEVER
> mishandled
> >> the Scriptures on TT.
> >> (dfn:to deal with something without the necessary
> >> care or skill).
> >>
> >> Do remember, won't you, that this conversation
> >> included misunderstanding and
> >> misinterpretation.
> >>
> >> Humanity and fallibility, even with the
> indwelling
> >> of the HS, guarantee the
> >> mishandling of the Scriptures on occasion.
> >>
> >> .
> >> - Original Message - 
> >> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: 
> >> Sent: October 14, 2005 12:44
> >> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father
> >> through the Son by the Spirit
> >>
> >>
> >> > Lance wrote:
> >> >> So David, you believe my observation to be
> >> >> FALSE!?? IFF you do not then say so.
> >> >
> >> > Yes, Lance, I believe your observation to be
> >> false.  I have been saying so
> >> > many times.  It sure has taken you a long time
> to
> >> see this.
> >> >
> >> > Lance wrote:
> >> >> Put up or shut up! Opinion shminion. If I
> speak
> >> >> the truth on a matter and, you believe it to
> be
> >&g

Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[Christine Miller]

I will try to have better sytax in the future, so as
to keep you from any evil surmisings, JD. :-)

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Is this really 'Christine?"   A curious statement 
> "..  apparently I have not been posting recently
> ..."
>  
> H.  
>  
> Jd 
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> Sent: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:10:23 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father
> through the Son by the Spirit
> 
> 
> Lance wrote:
> > So David, you believe my observation to be
> FALSE!??
> > IFF you do not then say 
> > so.
> 
> David wrote:
> > > The truth is that some here have NEVER
> mishandled
> > the sacred text.
> 
> (I added the caps)
> 
> Hello, apparently I have not been posting recently,
> only lurking. But I could not resist helping clarify
> a
> matter here, Lance. My father did say so. :-)
> 
> 
> Blessings,
> 
> Christine
> 
> 
> --- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > So David, you believe my observation to be
> FALSE!??
> > IFF you do not then say 
> > so. Put up or shut up! Opinion shminion. If I
> speak
> > the truth on a matter 
> > and, you believe it to be so then, speak up. This
> is
> > beneath you. Petty, 
> > petty, petty.
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: October 14, 2005 10:05
> > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father
> > through the Son by the Spirit
> > 
> > 
> > > Lance wrote:
> > >> Not one participant has proved themselves an
> > >> exception to the occasional mishandling of the
> > text
> > >> soo thenwhy so defensive?
> > >
> > > I don't know anybody being defensive.  We have
> > simply asked you to explain
> > > the standard by which you can judge this.  You
> > have given us none, so, we
> > > simply recognize that you have no standard but
> > yourself.  Since your
> > > standard is faulty, by your own admission, as
> > Kevin has so rightly 
> > > analyzed
> > > the situation, your opinion should be ignored.
> > >
> > > The truth is that some here have never
> mishandled
> > the sacred text.
> > >
> > > Peace be with you.
> > > David Miller.
> > >
> > > --
> > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned
> > with salt, that you may 
> > > know how you ought to answer every man." 
> > (Colossians 4:6) 
> > > http://www.InnGlory.org
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> > 
> > 
> > --
> > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned
> with
> > salt, that you may know how you ought to answer
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RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[ShieldsFamily]

JD, why can’t you just get over it whenever someone sleights you
in some manner? You have such a huge ego problem IMO.  (I’m taking
really HUGE—you will probably rehearse this for weeks or months!) No one
else on TT does this except you.  My advice: get back to the original
subject or forget it; we’re tired of it already. iz

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005
8:02 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On
knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit



 







My own kids have said  "you are  such
a poop, Dad" after my telling them that we are not going to do sucha dn such.   What I INTENDED is what I
said.   The rest of you enlightened Holy-Ghost-gave-me-the
=truth=about-you  folks, not withstanding.   I know what I
intended  ..  you do not.   





 





 





ad hom on
this forum is a joke.   The right has no clue and virtually never
backs off an ad hom.  The
left knows exactly then they are being ad hom
and usually do "repent."   





 





Daivd can
give three choices  --  uneducated, dishonest or "just plain
stupid" and then (falsely) claim that this is not ad hom.  And why does he not
narrow the three choices?   Why didn't
he?  God back and read of his logic.   BECAUSE TO DO SO WOULD
VIOLATE THE AD HOM RULE ON
THIS FORUM.  David is an avowed legalist.  
As a result, he believes he can construct insults in such a way as
to not go over the line, technically
speaking...when it is abundantly clear what he really
meant.   He didn't
narrow it down because he
didn't need.   He believes all three about me.  





 





Whatever.  





 





JD  





 





 





 





-Original Message-
From: Terry Clifton <wabbits1234@earthlink.net>
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 07:17:27 -0500
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit





[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: 







"poop" in the context of my post meant
"stick in the mud."   





 





JD 



==





Totally unacceptable
explanation.  Poop and mud have entirely different characteristics. 
Mud is a mixture of soil and water.  Poop can be a mixture of many
things.  Poop, of course, can turn to soil over time, but not necessarily
to mud.

Please come up with a different explanation, or you will be known as a glorbflad who ad homs.
Thank you in advance.
Terry

[TruthTalk] On Knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[Judy Taylor]

JD wrote:
What I INTENDED is what I said.   The rest of you enlightened 
Holy-Ghost-
gave-me-the =truth=about-you  folks, not withstanding.   I 
know what I intended  ..  
you do not.  
 
Just thinking about the above statement in more depth 
JD.
How come this applies to you but not to DavidM?  
He knows what he intended
also but you are continually accusing him of evil 
motives and manipulating. Why?

Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[Judy Taylor]

 
 
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:01:54 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  My own kids have said  "you are  such a poop, Dad" after 
  my telling them that we are not going to do sucha dn such.   
  
   
  All I can say is I'm glad they are your kids and not 
  ours. I would find that disrespectful rather than affectionate.
   
  What I INTENDED is what I said.   The rest of you enlightened 
  Holy-Ghost-gave-me-the =truth=about-you  folks, not 
  withstanding.   I know what I intended  ..  you do 
  not.  
   
  No I guess not, seems you and your family 
  have an entirely different reality. 
   
  ad hom on this forum is a 
  joke.   
   
  Speak for yourself JD. It is not a "joke" to me, 
  since it is banned - I take it a little more seriously.
   
  The right has no clue and virtually never backs off an ad hom.  The left knows exactly then they are 
  being ad hom and usually do 
  "repent."   
   
  Is Christ divided?  Or do you see this as a 
  "political" list?
   
  Daivd can give three choices  
  --  uneducated, dishonest or "just plain stupid" and then (falsely) claim 
  that this is not ad hom.  
   
  This is his opinion - if you want to take up a 
  personal offence over it then this is your problem JD. Not his.
   
  And why does he not narrow the three choices?   Why didn't he?  God back and read of his 
  logic.   
  BECAUSE TO DO SO WOULD VIOLATE THE AD HOM RULE ON THIS FORUM.  David is an avowed legalist.  
   
  You should know by now JD that I am not into 
  logic so the hidden meaning you ascribe to DavidM escapes me.
  However, I see him as a brother and take him at face 
  value.  I accept his yes as yes and his no as no. If he
  has this kind of hidden agenda I would have to hear 
  it from him. 
   
  As a result, he believes he can construct insults in such a 
  way as to not go over the line, technically speaking
  when it is abundantly clear what he really meant.   
   
  I don't believe this is so JD - DavidM walks in more 
  fear of the Lord than to operate in such a manipulative
  fashion. Why would he want to play these kinds of 
  games all the while being aware that everything he does
  and says is open and nothing hidden from the One with whom we all have to deal 
  (Hebrews 4:13) He would 
  only be fooling himself.  In my opinion he is 
  smarter than that.
   
  He didn't narrow it down because he didn't need.   He believes 
  all three about me.  Whatever.  JD  
   
  All that is important at this point JD is what does 
  God believe about you.  jt
   
   
  From: Terry Clifton 
  

  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 
  


"poop" in the context of my post meant "stick in the mud."   

 
JD ==Totally 
  unacceptable explanation.  Poop and mud have entirely different 
  characteristics.  Mud is a mixture of soil and water.  Poop can be a 
  mixture of many things.  Poop, of course, can turn to soil over time, but 
  not necessarily to mud.Please come up with a different explanation, or 
  you will be known as a glorbflad who ad 
  homs.Thank you in 
  advance.Terry
   

Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[knpraise]

Yes  --  a providientially guided slip that allows me the benefit of ad hom without the guilty plea.  
Aswsome!!
 
Jd  -Original Message-From: Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:37:04 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit



Actually John, 'STUDPI' may not be an ad hom therefore, permissible.

- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: October 15, 2005 09:25
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit



Ok  --  let's try this.  Judy,   I hate to tell you, but your comments below indicate to me that you are either uneducated, dishonest or just plain studpi.   Now,  those are the choices.   But since ad hom is forbidden on this forum,  I will not be able to pursue to a conclusion.
 
 
JD  -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 04:51:08 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit



Uh, Oh - the old accuser is back.  He never leaves for long, just for a season so long as 
there are those who are willing to see evil intent and read evil motives into dialogue constantly.
Why war against flesh and blood?  It is such a huge waste fo time.  When oh when will we get a grip 
and begin to deal with the real enemy of our souls who continues to have a field day here.     jt
 
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 00:50:16 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



You gave three options --  lack of education, dishonesty or stupidity.   None of which had anything to do with an effective rebuttal.   For you to deny the ad hom intent IS dishonest, David.   You are being dishonest with yourself and that is very sad in deed.  You could not deal with the issues so you attacked my character.   Your attacks are childish and I really do  not mind.   But to  leave off giving a substantive answer is more than revealing.   
JD  -Original Message-From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:39:41 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit


I did NOT call John stupid.  In contrast, however, John did call me 
dishonest.  He also called me a poop.  I guess that is ok in your book.

DM.

- Original Message - 
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit


David, along with a sneaky qualifier, just called John stupid. David, IMO,
is quite capable of speaking  to others in a demeaning fashion. (those of us
with discernment take note of such).
- Original Message - 
From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
Sent: October 14, 2005 11:33
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit


> Lance, please stop telling others to shut up. It is not becoming. iz
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:07 AM
> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
> Spirit
>
> So David, you believe my observation to be FALSE!?? IFF you do not then
> say
> so. Put up or shut up! Opinion shminion. If I speak the truth on a matter
> and, you believe it to be so then, speak up. This is beneath you. Petty,
> petty, petty.
>
>
> - Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
> Sent: October 14, 2005 10:05
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
> Spirit
>
>
>> Lance wrote:
>>> Not one participant has proved themselves an
>>> exception to the occasional mishandling of the text
>>> soo thenwhy so defensive?
>>
>> I don't know anybody being defensive.  We have simply asked you to
>> explain
>> the standard by which you can judge this.  You have given us none, so, we
>> simply recognize that you have no standard but yourself.  Since your
>> standard is faulty, by your own admission, as Kevin has so rightly
>> analyzed
>> the situation, your opinion should be ignored.
>>
>> The truth is that some here have never mishandled the sacred text.
>>
>> Peace be with you.
>> David Miller.
>>
>> --
>> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
>> know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6)
>> http://www.InnGl

Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[knpraise]

My own kids have said  "you are  such a poop, Dad" after my telling them that we are not going to do sucha dn such.   What I INTENDED is what I said.   The rest of you enlightened Holy-Ghost-gave-me-the =truth=about-you  folks, not withstanding.   I know what I intended  ..  you do not.   
 
 
ad hom on this forum is a joke.   The right has no clue and virtually never backs off an ad hom.  The left knows exactly then they are being ad hom and usually do "repent."   
 
Daivd can give three choices  --  uneducated, dishonest or "just plain stupid" and then (falsely) claim that this is not ad hom.  And why does he not narrow the three choices?   Why didn't he?  God back and read of his logic.   BECAUSE TO DO SO WOULD VIOLATE THE AD HOM RULE ON THIS FORUM.  David is an avowed legalist.   As a result, he believes he can construct insults in such a way as to not go over the line, technically speaking...when it is abundantly clear what he really meant.   He didn't narrow it down because he didn't need.   He believes all three about me.  
 
Whatever.  
 
JD  
 
 
 
-Original Message-From: Terry Clifton <wabbits1234@earthlink.net>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 07:17:27 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



"poop" in the context of my post meant "stick in the mud."   
 
JD ==Totally unacceptable explanation.  Poop and mud have entirely different characteristics.  Mud is a mixture of soil and water.  Poop can be a mixture of many things.  Poop, of course, can turn to soil over time, but not necessarily to mud.Please come up with a different explanation, or you will be known as a glorbflad who ad homs.Thank you in advance.Terry

Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[Lance Muir]

Actually John, 'STUDPI' may not be an ad hom 
therefore, permissible.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: October 15, 2005 09:25
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the 
  Father through the Son by the Spirit
  
  
  
  Ok  --  let's try this.  Judy,   I hate to tell 
  you, but your comments below indicate to me that you are either uneducated, 
  dishonest or just plain studpi.   Now,  those are the 
  choices.   But since ad hom is forbidden on this forum,  I will 
  not be able to pursue to a conclusion.
   
   
  JD  -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 04:51:08 
  -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the 
  Spirit
  

  
  Uh, Oh - the old accuser is back.  He never 
  leaves for long, just for a season so long as 
  there are those who are willing to see evil intent 
  and read evil motives into dialogue constantly.
  Why war against flesh and blood?  It 
  is such a huge waste fo time.  When oh when will we get a grip 
  
  and begin to deal with the real enemy of our souls 
  who continues to have a field day here.     jt
   
  On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 00:50:16 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  


You gave three options --  lack of education, dishonesty or 
stupidity.   None of which had anything to do with an effective 
rebuttal.   For you to deny the ad hom intent IS dishonest, 
David.   You are being dishonest with yourself and that is very 
sad in deed.  You could not deal with the issues so you attacked my 
character.   Your attacks are childish and I really do  not 
mind.   But to  leave off giving a substantive answer is more 
than revealing.   
JD  -Original Message-From: David 
Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:39:41 
-0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by 
the Spirit


I did NOT call John stupid.  In contrast, however, John did call me 
dishonest.  He also called me a poop.  I guess that is ok in your book.

DM.

- Original Message - 
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit


David, along with a sneaky qualifier, just called John stupid. David, IMO,
is quite capable of speaking  to others in a demeaning fashion. (those of us
with discernment take note of such).
- Original Message - 
From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
Sent: October 14, 2005 11:33
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit


> Lance, please stop telling others to shut up. It is not becoming. iz
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:07 AM
> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
> Spirit
>
> So David, you believe my observation to be FALSE!?? IFF you do not then
> say
> so. Put up or shut up! Opinion shminion. If I speak the truth on a matter
> and, you believe it to be so then, speak up. This is beneath you. Petty,
> petty, petty.
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
> Sent: October 14, 2005 10:05
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
> Spirit
>
>
>> Lance wrote:
>>> Not one participant has proved themselves an
>>> exception to the occasional mishandling of the text
>>> soo thenwhy so defensive?
>>
>> I don't know anybody being defensive.  We have simply asked you to
>> explain
>> the standard by which you can judge this.  You have given us none, so, we
>> simply recognize that you have no standard but yourself.  Since your
>> standard is faulty, by your own admission, as Kevin has so rightly
>> analyzed
>> the situation, your opinion should be ignored.
>>
>> The truth is that some here have never mishandled the sacred text.
>>
>> Peace be with you.
>> David Miller.
>>
>> --
>> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
>> know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6)
>> http://www.InnGlory.org
>>
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Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[knpraise]

Ok  --  let's try this.  Judy,   I hate to tell you, but your comments below indicate to me that you are either uneducated, dishonest or just plain studpi.   Now,  those are the choices.   But since ad hom is forbidden on this forum,  I will not be able to pursue to a conclusion.
 
 
JD  -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 04:51:08 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit



Uh, Oh - the old accuser is back.  He never leaves for long, just for a season so long as 
there are those who are willing to see evil intent and read evil motives into dialogue constantly.
Why war against flesh and blood?  It is such a huge waste fo time.  When oh when will we get a grip 
and begin to deal with the real enemy of our souls who continues to have a field day here.     jt
 
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 00:50:16 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



You gave three options --  lack of education, dishonesty or stupidity.   None of which had anything to do with an effective rebuttal.   For you to deny the ad hom intent IS dishonest, David.   You are being dishonest with yourself and that is very sad in deed.  You could not deal with the issues so you attacked my character.   Your attacks are childish and I really do  not mind.   But to  leave off giving a substantive answer is more than revealing.   
JD  -Original Message-From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:39:41 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit


I did NOT call John stupid.  In contrast, however, John did call me 
dishonest.  He also called me a poop.  I guess that is ok in your book.

DM.

- Original Message - 
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit


David, along with a sneaky qualifier, just called John stupid. David, IMO,
is quite capable of speaking  to others in a demeaning fashion. (those of us
with discernment take note of such).
- Original Message - 
From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
Sent: October 14, 2005 11:33
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit


> Lance, please stop telling others to shut up. It is not becoming. iz
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:07 AM
> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
> Spirit
>
> So David, you believe my observation to be FALSE!?? IFF you do not then
> say
> so. Put up or shut up! Opinion shminion. If I speak the truth on a matter
> and, you believe it to be so then, speak up. This is beneath you. Petty,
> petty, petty.
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
> Sent: October 14, 2005 10:05
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
> Spirit
>
>
>> Lance wrote:
>>> Not one participant has proved themselves an
>>> exception to the occasional mishandling of the text
>>> soo thenwhy so defensive?
>>
>> I don't know anybody being defensive.  We have simply asked you to
>> explain
>> the standard by which you can judge this.  You have given us none, so, we
>> simply recognize that you have no standard but yourself.  Since your
>> standard is faulty, by your own admission, as Kevin has so rightly
>> analyzed
>> the situation, your opinion should be ignored.
>>
>> The truth is that some here have never mishandled the sacred text.
>>
>> Peace be with you.
>> David Miller.
>>
>> --
>> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
>> know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6)
>> http://www.InnGlory.org
>>
>> If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to
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>
>
> --
> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
> know
> how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6)
> http://www.InnGlory.org
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Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[Terry Clifton]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  "poop" in the context of my post meant "stick in the mud."   
   
  JD 
==
  

Totally unacceptable explanation.  Poop and mud have entirely different
characteristics.  Mud is a mixture of soil and water.  Poop can be a
mixture of many things.  Poop, of course, can turn to soil over time,
but not necessarily to mud.

Please come up with a different explanation, or you will be known as a
glorbflad who ad homs.
Thank you in advance.
Terry

Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[Lance Muir]

I've no idea what a slang equivalent would be in Jesus day, Iz.


- Original Message - 
From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 22:35
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit



So you're telling me you think Jesus would affectionately refer to you as
"poop"???

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 12:43 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the 
Spirit


What's the deal, Iz? Are you David's call screener? When your lot in life 
is


to never be wrong and, for others to be less than accepting of this, I 
guess


one could feel somewhat put upon.


- Original Message - 
From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 14:33
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the 
Spirit




WWJD???

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:59 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
Spirit

Kathryn Hepburn in "On Golden Pond' called almost everyone a 'poop'. I
found

it most endearing.


- Original Message - 
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 12:39
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
Spirit



I did NOT call John stupid.  In contrast, however, John did call me
dishonest.  He also called me a poop.  I guess that is ok in your book.

DM.

- Original Message - 
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
Spirit


David, along with a sneaky qualifier, just called John stupid. David,
IMO,
is quite capable of speaking  to others in a demeaning fashion. (those 
of

us
with discernment take note of such).
- Original Message - 
From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 11:33
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
Spirit



Lance, please stop telling others to shut up. It is not becoming. iz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:07 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
Spirit

So David, you believe my observation to be FALSE!?? IFF you do not then
say
so. Put up or shut up! Opinion shminion. If I speak the truth on a
matter
and, you believe it to be so then, speak up. This is beneath you. 
Petty,

petty, petty.


----- Original Message - 
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 10:05
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
Spirit



Lance wrote:

Not one participant has proved themselves an
exception to the occasional mishandling of the text
soo thenwhy so defensive?


I don't know anybody being defensive.  We have simply asked you to
explain
the standard by which you can judge this.  You have given us none, so,
we
simply recognize that you have no standard but yourself.  Since your
standard is faulty, by your own admission, as Kevin has so rightly
analyzed
the situation, your opinion should be ignored.

The truth is that some here have never mishandled the sacred text.

Peace be with you.
David Miller.

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Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[Lance Muir]

Blessings back at ya, Christine.

He did indeed.


- Original Message - 
From: "Christine Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 20:10
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit



Lance wrote:

So David, you believe my observation to be FALSE!??
IFF you do not then say
so.


David wrote:

> The truth is that some here have NEVER mishandled
the sacred text.


(I added the caps)

Hello, apparently I have not been posting recently,
only lurking. But I could not resist helping clarify a
matter here, Lance. My father did say so. :-)


Blessings,

Christine


--- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


So David, you believe my observation to be FALSE!??
IFF you do not then say
so. Put up or shut up! Opinion shminion. If I speak
the truth on a matter
and, you believe it to be so then, speak up. This is
beneath you. Petty,
petty, petty.


- Original Message - 
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 10:05
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father
through the Son by the Spirit


> Lance wrote:
>> Not one participant has proved themselves an
>> exception to the occasional mishandling of the
text
>> soo thenwhy so defensive?
>
> I don't know anybody being defensive.  We have
simply asked you to explain
> the standard by which you can judge this.  You
have given us none, so, we
> simply recognize that you have no standard but
yourself.  Since your
> standard is faulty, by your own admission, as
Kevin has so rightly
> analyzed
> the situation, your opinion should be ignored.
>
> The truth is that some here have never mishandled
the sacred text.
>
> Peace be with you.
> David Miller.
>
> --
> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned
with salt, that you may
> know how you ought to answer every man."
(Colossians 4:6)
> http://www.InnGlory.org
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Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[Lance Muir]

Hello again, Christine. Thanks for delineating your position, your Dad's 
position and, I'd suppose one held by many. Whatever 'works' for ya, guys.



- Original Message - 
From: "Christine Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 21:31
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit



Lance wrote:

Humanity and fallibility, even with the indwelling
of the HS, guarantee the
mishandling of the Scriptures on occasion.


Lance, this is a statement devoid of faith. Trust the
Most High God. If He says He will teach you, and lead
you into all truth, that is a powerful I.O.U.. I think
He's good for it. It's like Treasury stock. You know
it's a reliable investment. (I'm taking my first
accounting class this semester, lol).

That sentence is almost an irrational statement. It's
like me being scared to death I'm going to get AIDS,
even though I don't do anything to put me at risk.

Equally, God told me He wants me to know His mind. I
know it's possible to be weak and not know Him or
understand His word, but He's given me the means to
know and understand Him, just as I have the means to
avoid AIDS (by the godly wisdom of remaining chaste
and abstaining from drugs). When we lean not onto our
own understanding, but trust him with all our heart,
he will direct our path. To fret about the obstacles
in our path is an irrational fear, because, well, He's
God. That's a very lofty title, but He bears it well.

It's foolish and worthless for me to worry about AIDS,
when God's Holy Spirit and wisdom protects me from
such things. Yes, it exists, just as our human
weakness does, but He has provided the remedy: the
Holy Spirit. Don't sell it so short, Lance.


Blessings!

--- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


You could be no clearer than that, David.

Please identify the one(s) who have NEVER mishandled
the Scriptures on TT.
(dfn:to deal with something without the necessary
care or skill).

Do remember, won't you, that this conversation
included misunderstanding and
misinterpretation.

Humanity and fallibility, even with the indwelling
of the HS, guarantee the
mishandling of the Scriptures on occasion.

.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 12:44
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father
through the Son by the Spirit


> Lance wrote:
>> So David, you believe my observation to be
>> FALSE!?? IFF you do not then say so.
>
> Yes, Lance, I believe your observation to be
false.  I have been saying so
> many times.  It sure has taken you a long time to
see this.
>
> Lance wrote:
>> Put up or shut up! Opinion shminion. If I speak
>> the truth on a matter and, you believe it to be
so
>> then, speak up. This is beneath you. Petty,
>> petty, petty.
>
> Who's getting defensive now?  Isn't it amazing how
you see others as being
> defensive, just before you blow a gasket.
>
> You have made the assertion that everybody on
TruthTalk has at times
> mishandled the Scriptures.  I can find no basis
for this assertion.  I
> don't
> believe it.  I disagree with it.  Clear enough?
>
> DM.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> To: 
> Sent: October 14, 2005 10:05
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father
through the Son by the
> Spirit
>
>
>> Lance wrote:
>>> Not one participant has proved themselves an
>>> exception to the occasional mishandling of the
text
>>> soo thenwhy so defensive?
>>
>> I don't know anybody being defensive.  We have
simply asked you to
>> explain
>> the standard by which you can judge this.  You
have given us none, so, we
>> simply recognize that you have no standard but
yourself.  Since your
>> standard is faulty, by your own admission, as
Kevin has so rightly
>> analyzed
>> the situation, your opinion should be ignored.
>>
>> The truth is that some here have never mishandled
the sacred text.
>>
>> Peace be with you.
>> David Miller.
>
> --
> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned
with salt, that you may
> know how you ought to answer every man."
(Colossians 4:6)
> http://www.InnGlory.org
>
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Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[Judy Taylor]

Scatalogical language JD, worldly and 
totaly unedifying. God looks for
something more edifying from us.  The church is a 
"light" to the world, remember?
Do you see any of this type of talk coming from the 
mouth of Jesus or Paul?
 
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 01:12:34 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  "poop" in the context of my post meant "stick in the mud."   
  
   
  JD  -Original 
  Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:35:01 
  -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the 
  Spirit
  

  So you're telling me you think Jesus would affectionately refer to you as
"poop"???

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 12:43 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

What's the deal, Iz? Are you David's call screener? When your lot in life is

to never be wrong and, for others to be less than accepting of this, I guess

one could feel somewhat put upon.


- Original Message - 
From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
Sent: October 14, 2005 14:33
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit


> WWJD???
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:59 AM
> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the 
> Spirit
>
> Kathryn Hepburn in "On Golden Pond' called almost everyone a 'poop'. I 
> found
>
> it most endearing.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
> Sent: October 14, 2005 12:39
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the 
> Spirit
>
>
>>I did NOT call John stupid.  In contrast, however, John did call me
>> dishonest.  He also called me a poop.  I guess that is ok in your book.
>>
>> DM.
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
>> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 11:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
>> Spirit
>>
>>
>> David, along with a sneaky qualifier, just called John stupid. David, 
>> IMO,
>> is quite capable of speaking  to others in a demeaning fashion. (those of
>> us
>> with discernment take note of such).
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
>> Sent: October 14, 2005 11:33
>> Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
>> Spirit
>>
>>
>>> Lance, please stop telling others to shut up. It is not becoming. iz
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
>>> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:07 AM
>>> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
>>> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
>>> Spirit
>>>
>>> So David, you believe my observation to be FALSE!?? IFF you do not then
>>> say
>>> so. Put up or shut up! Opinion shminion. If I speak the truth on a 
>>> matter
>>> and, you believe it to be so then, speak up. This is beneath you. Petty,
>>> petty, petty.
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
>>> Sent: October 14, 2005 10:05
>>> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
>>> Spirit
>>>
>>>
>>>> Lance wrote:
>>>>> Not one participant has proved themselves an
>>>>> exception to the occasional mishandling of the text
>>>>> soo thenwhy so defensive?
>>>>
>>>> I don't know anybody being defensive.  We have simply asked you to
>>>> explain
>>>> the standard by which you can judge this.  You have given us none, so,
>>>> we
>>>> simply recognize that you have no standard but yourself.  Since your
>>>> standard is faulty, by your own admission, as Kevin has so rightly
>>>>

Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[Judy Taylor]

Uh, Oh - the old accuser is back.  He never leaves 
for long, just for a season so long as 
there are those who are willing to see evil intent and 
read evil motives into dialogue constantly.
Why war against flesh and blood?  It is such 
a huge waste fo time.  When oh when will we get a grip 
and begin to deal with the real enemy of our souls who 
continues to have a field day here.     jt
 
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 00:50:16 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  You gave three options --  lack of education, dishonesty or 
  stupidity.   None of which had anything to do with an effective 
  rebuttal.   For you to deny the ad hom intent IS dishonest, 
  David.   You are being dishonest with yourself and that is very sad 
  in deed.  You could not deal with the issues so you attacked my 
  character.   Your attacks are childish and I really do  not 
  mind.   But to  leave off giving a substantive answer is more 
  than revealing.   
  JD  -Original Message-From: David Miller 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 14 
  Oct 2005 12:39:41 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father 
  through the Son by the Spirit
  

  I did NOT call John stupid.  In contrast, however, John did call me 
dishonest.  He also called me a poop.  I guess that is ok in your book.

DM.

- Original Message - 
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit


David, along with a sneaky qualifier, just called John stupid. David, IMO,
is quite capable of speaking  to others in a demeaning fashion. (those of us
with discernment take note of such).
- Original Message - 
From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
Sent: October 14, 2005 11:33
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit


> Lance, please stop telling others to shut up. It is not becoming. iz
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:07 AM
> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
> Spirit
>
> So David, you believe my observation to be FALSE!?? IFF you do not then
> say
> so. Put up or shut up! Opinion shminion. If I speak the truth on a matter
> and, you believe it to be so then, speak up. This is beneath you. Petty,
> petty, petty.
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
> Sent: October 14, 2005 10:05
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
> Spirit
>
>
>> Lance wrote:
>>> Not one participant has proved themselves an
>>> exception to the occasional mishandling of the text
>>> soo thenwhy so defensive?
>>
>> I don't know anybody being defensive.  We have simply asked you to
>> explain
>> the standard by which you can judge this.  You have given us none, so, we
>> simply recognize that you have no standard but yourself.  Since your
>> standard is faulty, by your own admission, as Kevin has so rightly
>> analyzed
>> the situation, your opinion should be ignored.
>>
>> The truth is that some here have never mishandled the sacred text.
>>
>> Peace be with you.
>> David Miller.
>>
>> --
>> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
>> know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6)
>> http://www.InnGlory.org
>>
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>
>
> --
> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
> know
> how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6)
> http://www.InnGlory.org
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Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[knpraise]

 The truth is that some here have never mishandled the sacred text.
 
Who would that be, David?   Let's see, yo have correct me, Lance, Deegan, Bill, G, Judy, Linda  ..actually I can't think of anyone you have not corrected, biblical speaking.  So that just leaves you  !!   And I can think of several references you have misused.   
 
So, that would make Lance correct in his observations.  
 
JD -Original Message-From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:05:27 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit


Lance wrote:
> Not one participant has proved themselves an
> exception to the occasional mishandling of the text
> soo thenwhy so defensive?

I don't know anybody being defensive.  We have simply asked you to explain 
the standard by which you can judge this.  You have given us none, so, we 
simply recognize that you have no standard but yourself.  Since your 
standard is faulty, by your own admission, as Kevin has so rightly analyzed 
the situation, your opinion should be ignored.

The truth is that some here have never mishandled the sacred text.

Peace be with you.
David Miller. 

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Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[knpraise]

"poop" in the context of my post meant "stick in the mud."   
 
JD  -Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:35:01 -0500Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit


So you're telling me you think Jesus would affectionately refer to you as
"poop"???

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 12:43 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

What's the deal, Iz? Are you David's call screener? When your lot in life is

to never be wrong and, for others to be less than accepting of this, I guess

one could feel somewhat put upon.


- Original Message - 
From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
Sent: October 14, 2005 14:33
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit


> WWJD???
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:59 AM
> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the 
> Spirit
>
> Kathryn Hepburn in "On Golden Pond' called almost everyone a 'poop'. I 
> found
>
> it most endearing.
>
>
> - Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
> Sent: October 14, 2005 12:39
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the 
> Spirit
>
>
>>I did NOT call John stupid.  In contrast, however, John did call me
>> dishonest.  He also called me a poop.  I guess that is ok in your book.
>>
>> DM.
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
>> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 11:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
>> Spirit
>>
>>
>> David, along with a sneaky qualifier, just called John stupid. David, 
>> IMO,
>> is quite capable of speaking  to others in a demeaning fashion. (those of
>> us
>> with discernment take note of such).
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
>> Sent: October 14, 2005 11:33
>> Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
>> Spirit
>>
>>
>>> Lance, please stop telling others to shut up. It is not becoming. iz
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
>>> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:07 AM
>>> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
>>> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
>>> Spirit
>>>
>>> So David, you believe my observation to be FALSE!?? IFF you do not then
>>> say
>>> so. Put up or shut up! Opinion shminion. If I speak the truth on a 
>>> matter
>>> and, you believe it to be so then, speak up. This is beneath you. Petty,
>>> petty, petty.
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
>>> Sent: October 14, 2005 10:05
>>> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
>>> Spirit
>>>
>>>
>>>> Lance wrote:
>>>>> Not one participant has proved themselves an
>>>>> exception to the occasional mishandling of the text
>>>>> soo thenwhy so defensive?
>>>>
>>>> I don't know anybody being defensive.  We have simply asked you to
>>>> explain
>>>> the standard by which you can judge this.  You have given us none, so,
>>>> we
>>>> simply recognize that you have no standard but yourself.  Since your
>>>> standard is faulty, by your own admission, as Kevin has so rightly
>>>> analyzed
>>>> the situation, your opinion should be ignored.
>>>>
>>>> The truth is that some here have never mishandled the sacred text.
>>>>
>>>> Peace be with you.
>>>> David Miller.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> "Let yo

Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[knpraise]

Is this really 'Christine?"   A curious statement  "..  apparently I have not been posting recently ..."
 
H.  
 
Jd  -Original Message-From: Christine Miller <verilysaid@yahoo.com>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:10:23 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit


Lance wrote:
> So David, you believe my observation to be FALSE!??
> IFF you do not then say 
> so.

David wrote:
> > The truth is that some here have NEVER mishandled
> the sacred text.

(I added the caps)

Hello, apparently I have not been posting recently,
only lurking. But I could not resist helping clarify a
matter here, Lance. My father did say so. :-)


Blessings,

Christine


--- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> So David, you believe my observation to be FALSE!??
> IFF you do not then say 
> so. Put up or shut up! Opinion shminion. If I speak
> the truth on a matter 
> and, you believe it to be so then, speak up. This is
> beneath you. Petty, 
> petty, petty.
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
> Sent: October 14, 2005 10:05
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father
> through the Son by the Spirit
> 
> 
> > Lance wrote:
> >> Not one participant has proved themselves an
> >> exception to the occasional mishandling of the
> text
> >> soo thenwhy so defensive?
> >
> > I don't know anybody being defensive.  We have
> simply asked you to explain
> > the standard by which you can judge this.  You
> have given us none, so, we
> > simply recognize that you have no standard but
> yourself.  Since your
> > standard is faulty, by your own admission, as
> Kevin has so rightly 
> > analyzed
> > the situation, your opinion should be ignored.
> >
> > The truth is that some here have never mishandled
> the sacred text.
> >
> > Peace be with you.
> > David Miller.
> >
> > --
> > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned
> with salt, that you may 
> > know how you ought to answer every man." 
> (Colossians 4:6) 
> > http://www.InnGlory.org
> >
> > If you do not want to receive posts from this
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> 
> 
> --
> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with
> salt, that you may know how you ought to answer
> every man."  (Colossians 4:6)
> http://www.InnGlory.org
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Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[knpraise]

You gave three options --  lack of education, dishonesty or stupidity.   None of which had anything to do with an effective rebuttal.   For you to deny the ad hom intent IS dishonest, David.   You are being dishonest with yourself and that is very sad in deed.  You could not deal with the issues so you attacked my character.   Your attacks are childish and I really do  not mind.   But to  leave off giving a substantive answer is more than revealing.   
JD  -Original Message-From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:39:41 -0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit


I did NOT call John stupid.  In contrast, however, John did call me 
dishonest.  He also called me a poop.  I guess that is ok in your book.

DM.

- Original Message - 
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit


David, along with a sneaky qualifier, just called John stupid. David, IMO,
is quite capable of speaking  to others in a demeaning fashion. (those of us
with discernment take note of such).
- Original Message - 
From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
Sent: October 14, 2005 11:33
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit


> Lance, please stop telling others to shut up. It is not becoming. iz
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:07 AM
> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
> Spirit
>
> So David, you believe my observation to be FALSE!?? IFF you do not then
> say
> so. Put up or shut up! Opinion shminion. If I speak the truth on a matter
> and, you believe it to be so then, speak up. This is beneath you. Petty,
> petty, petty.
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
> Sent: October 14, 2005 10:05
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
> Spirit
>
>
>> Lance wrote:
>>> Not one participant has proved themselves an
>>> exception to the occasional mishandling of the text
>>> soo thenwhy so defensive?
>>
>> I don't know anybody being defensive.  We have simply asked you to
>> explain
>> the standard by which you can judge this.  You have given us none, so, we
>> simply recognize that you have no standard but yourself.  Since your
>> standard is faulty, by your own admission, as Kevin has so rightly
>> analyzed
>> the situation, your opinion should be ignored.
>>
>> The truth is that some here have never mishandled the sacred text.
>>
>> Peace be with you.
>> David Miller.
>>
>> --
>> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
>> know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6)
>> http://www.InnGlory.org
>>
>> If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you have a
>> friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
>>
>
>
> --
> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
> know
> how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6)
> http://www.InnGlory.org
>
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>
>
> --
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RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[ShieldsFamily]

So you're telling me you think Jesus would affectionately refer to you as
"poop"???

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 12:43 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

What's the deal, Iz? Are you David's call screener? When your lot in life is

to never be wrong and, for others to be less than accepting of this, I guess

one could feel somewhat put upon.


- Original Message - 
From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 14:33
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit


> WWJD???
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:59 AM
> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the 
> Spirit
>
> Kathryn Hepburn in "On Golden Pond' called almost everyone a 'poop'. I 
> found
>
> it most endearing.
>
>
> - Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: October 14, 2005 12:39
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the 
> Spirit
>
>
>>I did NOT call John stupid.  In contrast, however, John did call me
>> dishonest.  He also called me a poop.  I guess that is ok in your book.
>>
>> DM.
>>
>> ----- Original Message - 
>> From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 11:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
>> Spirit
>>
>>
>> David, along with a sneaky qualifier, just called John stupid. David, 
>> IMO,
>> is quite capable of speaking  to others in a demeaning fashion. (those of
>> us
>> with discernment take note of such).
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: October 14, 2005 11:33
>> Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
>> Spirit
>>
>>
>>> Lance, please stop telling others to shut up. It is not becoming. iz
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
>>> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:07 AM
>>> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
>>> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
>>> Spirit
>>>
>>> So David, you believe my observation to be FALSE!?? IFF you do not then
>>> say
>>> so. Put up or shut up! Opinion shminion. If I speak the truth on a 
>>> matter
>>> and, you believe it to be so then, speak up. This is beneath you. Petty,
>>> petty, petty.
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: October 14, 2005 10:05
>>> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
>>> Spirit
>>>
>>>
>>>> Lance wrote:
>>>>> Not one participant has proved themselves an
>>>>> exception to the occasional mishandling of the text
>>>>> soo thenwhy so defensive?
>>>>
>>>> I don't know anybody being defensive.  We have simply asked you to
>>>> explain
>>>> the standard by which you can judge this.  You have given us none, so,
>>>> we
>>>> simply recognize that you have no standard but yourself.  Since your
>>>> standard is faulty, by your own admission, as Kevin has so rightly
>>>> analyzed
>>>> the situation, your opinion should be ignored.
>>>>
>>>> The truth is that some here have never mishandled the sacred text.
>>>>
>>>> Peace be with you.
>>>> David Miller.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
>>>> know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6)
>>>> http://www.InnGlory.org
>>>>
>>>> If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to
>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you have 
>>>> a
>>>> friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to
>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[Christine Miller]

Lance wrote:
> Humanity and fallibility, even with the indwelling
> of the HS, guarantee the
> mishandling of the Scriptures on occasion.

Lance, this is a statement devoid of faith. Trust the
Most High God. If He says He will teach you, and lead
you into all truth, that is a powerful I.O.U.. I think
He's good for it. It's like Treasury stock. You know
it's a reliable investment. (I'm taking my first
accounting class this semester, lol).

That sentence is almost an irrational statement. It's
like me being scared to death I'm going to get AIDS,
even though I don't do anything to put me at risk.

Equally, God told me He wants me to know His mind. I
know it's possible to be weak and not know Him or
understand His word, but He's given me the means to
know and understand Him, just as I have the means to
avoid AIDS (by the godly wisdom of remaining chaste
and abstaining from drugs). When we lean not onto our
own understanding, but trust him with all our heart,
he will direct our path. To fret about the obstacles
in our path is an irrational fear, because, well, He's
God. That's a very lofty title, but He bears it well.

It's foolish and worthless for me to worry about AIDS,
when God's Holy Spirit and wisdom protects me from
such things. Yes, it exists, just as our human
weakness does, but He has provided the remedy: the
Holy Spirit. Don't sell it so short, Lance. 


Blessings!

--- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You could be no clearer than that, David.
> 
> Please identify the one(s) who have NEVER mishandled
> the Scriptures on TT.
> (dfn:to deal with something without the necessary
> care or skill).
> 
> Do remember, won't you, that this conversation
> included misunderstanding and
> misinterpretation.
> 
> Humanity and fallibility, even with the indwelling
> of the HS, guarantee the
> mishandling of the Scriptures on occasion.
> 
> .
> - Original Message - 
> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: October 14, 2005 12:44
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father
> through the Son by the Spirit
> 
> 
> > Lance wrote:
> >> So David, you believe my observation to be
> >> FALSE!?? IFF you do not then say so.
> >
> > Yes, Lance, I believe your observation to be
> false.  I have been saying so
> > many times.  It sure has taken you a long time to
> see this.
> >
> > Lance wrote:
> >> Put up or shut up! Opinion shminion. If I speak
> >> the truth on a matter and, you believe it to be
> so
> >> then, speak up. This is beneath you. Petty,
> >> petty, petty.
> >
> > Who's getting defensive now?  Isn't it amazing how
> you see others as being
> > defensive, just before you blow a gasket.
> >
> > You have made the assertion that everybody on
> TruthTalk has at times
> > mishandled the Scriptures.  I can find no basis
> for this assertion.  I
> > don't
> > believe it.  I disagree with it.  Clear enough?
> >
> > DM.
> >
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: October 14, 2005 10:05
> > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father
> through the Son by the
> > Spirit
> >
> >
> >> Lance wrote:
> >>> Not one participant has proved themselves an
> >>> exception to the occasional mishandling of the
> text
> >>> soo thenwhy so defensive?
> >>
> >> I don't know anybody being defensive.  We have
> simply asked you to
> >> explain
> >> the standard by which you can judge this.  You
> have given us none, so, we
> >> simply recognize that you have no standard but
> yourself.  Since your
> >> standard is faulty, by your own admission, as
> Kevin has so rightly
> >> analyzed
> >> the situation, your opinion should be ignored.
> >>
> >> The truth is that some here have never mishandled
> the sacred text.
> >>
> >> Peace be with you.
> >> David Miller.
> >
> > --
> > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned
> with salt, that you may
> > know how you ought to answer every man." 
> (Colossians 4:6)
> > http://www.InnGlory.org
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RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[Christine Miller]

lol! 

--- ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> WWJD???
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Lance Muir
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:59 AM
> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father
> through the Son by the Spirit
> 
> Kathryn Hepburn in "On Golden Pond' called almost
> everyone a 'poop'. I found
> 
> it most endearing.
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: October 14, 2005 12:39
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father
> through the Son by the Spirit
> 
> 
> >I did NOT call John stupid.  In contrast, however,
> John did call me
> > dishonest.  He also called me a poop.  I guess
> that is ok in your book.
> >
> > DM.
> >
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 11:49 AM
> > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father
> through the Son by the 
> > Spirit
> >
> >
> > David, along with a sneaky qualifier, just called
> John stupid. David, IMO,
> > is quite capable of speaking  to others in a
> demeaning fashion. (those of 
> > us
> > with discernment take note of such).
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: October 14, 2005 11:33
> > Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father
> through the Son by the 
> > Spirit
> >
> >
> >> Lance, please stop telling others to shut up. It
> is not becoming. iz
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Lance Muir
> >> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:07 AM
> >> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> >> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father
> through the Son by the
> >> Spirit
> >>
> >> So David, you believe my observation to be
> FALSE!?? IFF you do not then
> >> say
> >> so. Put up or shut up! Opinion shminion. If I
> speak the truth on a matter
> >> and, you believe it to be so then, speak up. This
> is beneath you. Petty,
> >> petty, petty.
> >>
> >>
> >> - Original Message - 
> >> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: 
> >> Sent: October 14, 2005 10:05
> >> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father
> through the Son by the
> >> Spirit
> >>
> >>
> >>> Lance wrote:
> >>>> Not one participant has proved themselves an
> >>>> exception to the occasional mishandling of the
> text
> >>>> soo thenwhy so defensive?
> >>>
> >>> I don't know anybody being defensive.  We have
> simply asked you to
> >>> explain
> >>> the standard by which you can judge this.  You
> have given us none, so, 
> >>> we
> >>> simply recognize that you have no standard but
> yourself.  Since your
> >>> standard is faulty, by your own admission, as
> Kevin has so rightly
> >>> analyzed
> >>> the situation, your opinion should be ignored.
> >>>
> >>> The truth is that some here have never
> mishandled the sacred text.
> >>>
> >>> Peace be with you.
> >>> David Miller.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned
> with salt, that you may
> >>> know how you ought to answer every man." 
> (Colossians 4:6)
> >>> http://www.InnGlory.org
> >>>
> >>> If you do not want to receive posts from this
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> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned
> with salt, that you may
> >> know
> >> how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians
> 4:6)
> >> http://www.InnGlory.org
> >>
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Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[Christine Miller]

Lance wrote:
> So David, you believe my observation to be FALSE!??
> IFF you do not then say 
> so.

David wrote:
> > The truth is that some here have NEVER mishandled
> the sacred text.

(I added the caps)

Hello, apparently I have not been posting recently,
only lurking. But I could not resist helping clarify a
matter here, Lance. My father did say so. :-)


Blessings,

Christine


--- Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> So David, you believe my observation to be FALSE!??
> IFF you do not then say 
> so. Put up or shut up! Opinion shminion. If I speak
> the truth on a matter 
> and, you believe it to be so then, speak up. This is
> beneath you. Petty, 
> petty, petty.
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: October 14, 2005 10:05
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father
> through the Son by the Spirit
> 
> 
> > Lance wrote:
> >> Not one participant has proved themselves an
> >> exception to the occasional mishandling of the
> text
> >> soo thenwhy so defensive?
> >
> > I don't know anybody being defensive.  We have
> simply asked you to explain
> > the standard by which you can judge this.  You
> have given us none, so, we
> > simply recognize that you have no standard but
> yourself.  Since your
> > standard is faulty, by your own admission, as
> Kevin has so rightly 
> > analyzed
> > the situation, your opinion should be ignored.
> >
> > The truth is that some here have never mishandled
> the sacred text.
> >
> > Peace be with you.
> > David Miller.
> >
> > --
> > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned
> with salt, that you may 
> > know how you ought to answer every man." 
> (Colossians 4:6) 
> > http://www.InnGlory.org
> >
> > If you do not want to receive posts from this
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> 
> 
> --
> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with
> salt, that you may know how you ought to answer
> every man."  (Colossians 4:6)
> http://www.InnGlory.org
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Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[Terry Clifton]

Lance Muir wrote:

David, along with a sneaky qualifier, just called John stupid. David, 
IMO, is quite capable of speaking  to others in a demeaning fashion. 
(those of us with discernment take note of such).


=
I have never met a person who thought themself to be s Christian, that 
did not also think that they had discernment.  Funny how that works.

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Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[Lance Muir]

What's the deal, Iz? Are you David's call screener? When your lot in life is 
to never be wrong and, for others to be less than accepting of this, I guess 
one could feel somewhat put upon.



- Original Message - 
From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 14:33
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit



WWJD???

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:59 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the 
Spirit


Kathryn Hepburn in "On Golden Pond' called almost everyone a 'poop'. I 
found


it most endearing.


- Original Message - 
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 12:39
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the 
Spirit




I did NOT call John stupid.  In contrast, however, John did call me
dishonest.  He also called me a poop.  I guess that is ok in your book.

DM.

- Original Message - 
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
Spirit


David, along with a sneaky qualifier, just called John stupid. David, 
IMO,

is quite capable of speaking  to others in a demeaning fashion. (those of
us
with discernment take note of such).
- Original Message - 
From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 11:33
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
Spirit



Lance, please stop telling others to shut up. It is not becoming. iz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:07 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
Spirit

So David, you believe my observation to be FALSE!?? IFF you do not then
say
so. Put up or shut up! Opinion shminion. If I speak the truth on a 
matter

and, you believe it to be so then, speak up. This is beneath you. Petty,
petty, petty.


- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 10:05
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
Spirit



Lance wrote:

Not one participant has proved themselves an
exception to the occasional mishandling of the text
soo thenwhy so defensive?


I don't know anybody being defensive.  We have simply asked you to
explain
the standard by which you can judge this.  You have given us none, so,
we
simply recognize that you have no standard but yourself.  Since your
standard is faulty, by your own admission, as Kevin has so rightly
analyzed
the situation, your opinion should be ignored.

The truth is that some here have never mishandled the sacred text.

Peace be with you.
David Miller.

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Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[Lance Muir]

Ah but, I am concerned about "so-and so" 'mommy'! It just isn't 
fair.



- Original Message - 
From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 14:35
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit



Please include yourself and don't worry about "so-and-so did it, too!".

-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 11:00 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the 
Spirit


Doesn't it though? Please, just once, say that you include David Miller in
your description.
- Original Message - 
From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 12:56
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the 
Spirit




Why does this sound like kindergarten???

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:50 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
Spirit

David, along with a sneaky qualifier, just called John stupid. David, 
IMO,

is quite capable of speaking  to others in a demeaning fashion. (those of
us

with discernment take note of such).
- Original Message - 
From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 11:33
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
Spirit



Lance, please stop telling others to shut up. It is not becoming. iz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:07 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
Spirit

So David, you believe my observation to be FALSE!?? IFF you do not then
say
so. Put up or shut up! Opinion shminion. If I speak the truth on a 
matter

and, you believe it to be so then, speak up. This is beneath you. Petty,
petty, petty.


- Original Message - 
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 10:05
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
Spirit



Lance wrote:

Not one participant has proved themselves an
exception to the occasional mishandling of the text
soo thenwhy so defensive?


I don't know anybody being defensive.  We have simply asked you to
explain
the standard by which you can judge this.  You have given us none, so,
we
simply recognize that you have no standard but yourself.  Since your
standard is faulty, by your own admission, as Kevin has so rightly
analyzed
the situation, your opinion should be ignored.

The truth is that some here have never mishandled the sacred text.

Peace be with you.
David Miller.

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RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[ShieldsFamily]

Please include yourself and don't worry about "so-and-so did it, too!". 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 11:00 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

Doesn't it though? Please, just once, say that you include David Miller in 
your description.
- Original Message - 
From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 12:56
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit


> Why does this sound like kindergarten???
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:50 AM
> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the 
> Spirit
>
> David, along with a sneaky qualifier, just called John stupid. David, IMO,
> is quite capable of speaking  to others in a demeaning fashion. (those of 
> us
>
> with discernment take note of such).
> - Original Message - 
> From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: October 14, 2005 11:33
> Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the 
> Spirit
>
>
>> Lance, please stop telling others to shut up. It is not becoming. iz
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
>> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:07 AM
>> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
>> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
>> Spirit
>>
>> So David, you believe my observation to be FALSE!?? IFF you do not then
>> say
>> so. Put up or shut up! Opinion shminion. If I speak the truth on a matter
>> and, you believe it to be so then, speak up. This is beneath you. Petty,
>> petty, petty.
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: October 14, 2005 10:05
>> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
>> Spirit
>>
>>
>>> Lance wrote:
>>>> Not one participant has proved themselves an
>>>> exception to the occasional mishandling of the text
>>>> soo thenwhy so defensive?
>>>
>>> I don't know anybody being defensive.  We have simply asked you to
>>> explain
>>> the standard by which you can judge this.  You have given us none, so, 
>>> we
>>> simply recognize that you have no standard but yourself.  Since your
>>> standard is faulty, by your own admission, as Kevin has so rightly
>>> analyzed
>>> the situation, your opinion should be ignored.
>>>
>>> The truth is that some here have never mishandled the sacred text.
>>>
>>> Peace be with you.
>>> David Miller.
>>>
>>> --
>>> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
>>> know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6)
>>> http://www.InnGlory.org
>>>
>>> If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you have a
>>> friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to
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>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
>> know
>> how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6)
>> http://www.InnGlory.org
>>
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>>
>>
>> --
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>> know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6)
>> http://www.InnGlory.org
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> know
> how you ought to a

RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[ShieldsFamily]

WWJD???

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:59 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

Kathryn Hepburn in "On Golden Pond' called almost everyone a 'poop'. I found

it most endearing.


- Original Message - 
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 12:39
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit


>I did NOT call John stupid.  In contrast, however, John did call me
> dishonest.  He also called me a poop.  I guess that is ok in your book.
>
> DM.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 11:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the 
> Spirit
>
>
> David, along with a sneaky qualifier, just called John stupid. David, IMO,
> is quite capable of speaking  to others in a demeaning fashion. (those of 
> us
> with discernment take note of such).
> - Original Message - 
> From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: October 14, 2005 11:33
> Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the 
> Spirit
>
>
>> Lance, please stop telling others to shut up. It is not becoming. iz
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
>> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:07 AM
>> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
>> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
>> Spirit
>>
>> So David, you believe my observation to be FALSE!?? IFF you do not then
>> say
>> so. Put up or shut up! Opinion shminion. If I speak the truth on a matter
>> and, you believe it to be so then, speak up. This is beneath you. Petty,
>> petty, petty.
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: October 14, 2005 10:05
>> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
>> Spirit
>>
>>
>>> Lance wrote:
>>>> Not one participant has proved themselves an
>>>> exception to the occasional mishandling of the text
>>>> soo thenwhy so defensive?
>>>
>>> I don't know anybody being defensive.  We have simply asked you to
>>> explain
>>> the standard by which you can judge this.  You have given us none, so, 
>>> we
>>> simply recognize that you have no standard but yourself.  Since your
>>> standard is faulty, by your own admission, as Kevin has so rightly
>>> analyzed
>>> the situation, your opinion should be ignored.
>>>
>>> The truth is that some here have never mishandled the sacred text.
>>>
>>> Peace be with you.
>>> David Miller.
>>>
>>> --
>>> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
>>> know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6)
>>> http://www.InnGlory.org
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>>
>>
>> --
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>> know
>> how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6)
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> know
> how you

Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[Lance Muir]

You could be no clearer than that, David.

Please identify the one(s) who have NEVER mishandled the Scriptures on TT.
(dfn:to deal with something without the necessary care or skill).

Do remember, won't you, that this conversation included misunderstanding and
misinterpretation.

Humanity and fallibility, even with the indwelling of the HS, guarantee the
mishandling of the Scriptures on occasion.

.
- Original Message - 
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 12:44
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit



Lance wrote:

So David, you believe my observation to be
FALSE!?? IFF you do not then say so.


Yes, Lance, I believe your observation to be false.  I have been saying so
many times.  It sure has taken you a long time to see this.

Lance wrote:

Put up or shut up! Opinion shminion. If I speak
the truth on a matter and, you believe it to be so
then, speak up. This is beneath you. Petty,
petty, petty.


Who's getting defensive now?  Isn't it amazing how you see others as being
defensive, just before you blow a gasket.

You have made the assertion that everybody on TruthTalk has at times
mishandled the Scriptures.  I can find no basis for this assertion.  I
don't
believe it.  I disagree with it.  Clear enough?

DM.

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From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 10:05
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
Spirit



Lance wrote:

Not one participant has proved themselves an
exception to the occasional mishandling of the text
soo thenwhy so defensive?


I don't know anybody being defensive.  We have simply asked you to
explain
the standard by which you can judge this.  You have given us none, so, we
simply recognize that you have no standard but yourself.  Since your
standard is faulty, by your own admission, as Kevin has so rightly
analyzed
the situation, your opinion should be ignored.

The truth is that some here have never mishandled the sacred text.

Peace be with you.
David Miller.


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Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[Lance Muir]

Doesn't it though? Please, just once, say that you include David Miller in 
your description.
- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 12:56
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit



Why does this sound like kindergarten???

-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:50 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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Spirit


David, along with a sneaky qualifier, just called John stupid. David, IMO,
is quite capable of speaking  to others in a demeaning fashion. (those of 
us


with discernment take note of such).
- Original Message - 
From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 11:33
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the 
Spirit




Lance, please stop telling others to shut up. It is not becoming. iz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:07 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
Spirit

So David, you believe my observation to be FALSE!?? IFF you do not then
say
so. Put up or shut up! Opinion shminion. If I speak the truth on a matter
and, you believe it to be so then, speak up. This is beneath you. Petty,
petty, petty.


- Original Message - 
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 10:05
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
Spirit



Lance wrote:

Not one participant has proved themselves an
exception to the occasional mishandling of the text
soo thenwhy so defensive?


I don't know anybody being defensive.  We have simply asked you to
explain
the standard by which you can judge this.  You have given us none, so, 
we

simply recognize that you have no standard but yourself.  Since your
standard is faulty, by your own admission, as Kevin has so rightly
analyzed
the situation, your opinion should be ignored.

The truth is that some here have never mishandled the sacred text.

Peace be with you.
David Miller.

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Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[Lance Muir]

Kathryn Hepburn in "On Golden Pond' called almost everyone a 'poop'. I found 
it most endearing.



- Original Message - 
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 12:39
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit



I did NOT call John stupid.  In contrast, however, John did call me
dishonest.  He also called me a poop.  I guess that is ok in your book.

DM.

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From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the 
Spirit



David, along with a sneaky qualifier, just called John stupid. David, IMO,
is quite capable of speaking  to others in a demeaning fashion. (those of 
us

with discernment take note of such).
- Original Message - 
From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 11:33
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the 
Spirit




Lance, please stop telling others to shut up. It is not becoming. iz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:07 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
Spirit

So David, you believe my observation to be FALSE!?? IFF you do not then
say
so. Put up or shut up! Opinion shminion. If I speak the truth on a matter
and, you believe it to be so then, speak up. This is beneath you. Petty,
petty, petty.


- Original Message - 
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 10:05
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
Spirit



Lance wrote:

Not one participant has proved themselves an
exception to the occasional mishandling of the text
soo thenwhy so defensive?


I don't know anybody being defensive.  We have simply asked you to
explain
the standard by which you can judge this.  You have given us none, so, 
we

simply recognize that you have no standard but yourself.  Since your
standard is faulty, by your own admission, as Kevin has so rightly
analyzed
the situation, your opinion should be ignored.

The truth is that some here have never mishandled the sacred text.

Peace be with you.
David Miller.

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RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[ShieldsFamily]

Why does this sound like kindergarten???

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:50 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

David, along with a sneaky qualifier, just called John stupid. David, IMO, 
is quite capable of speaking  to others in a demeaning fashion. (those of us

with discernment take note of such).
- Original Message - 
From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 11:33
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit


> Lance, please stop telling others to shut up. It is not becoming. iz
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:07 AM
> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the 
> Spirit
>
> So David, you believe my observation to be FALSE!?? IFF you do not then 
> say
> so. Put up or shut up! Opinion shminion. If I speak the truth on a matter
> and, you believe it to be so then, speak up. This is beneath you. Petty,
> petty, petty.
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: October 14, 2005 10:05
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the 
> Spirit
>
>
>> Lance wrote:
>>> Not one participant has proved themselves an
>>> exception to the occasional mishandling of the text
>>> soo thenwhy so defensive?
>>
>> I don't know anybody being defensive.  We have simply asked you to 
>> explain
>> the standard by which you can judge this.  You have given us none, so, we
>> simply recognize that you have no standard but yourself.  Since your
>> standard is faulty, by your own admission, as Kevin has so rightly
>> analyzed
>> the situation, your opinion should be ignored.
>>
>> The truth is that some here have never mishandled the sacred text.
>>
>> Peace be with you.
>> David Miller.
>>
>> --
>> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
>> know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6)
>> http://www.InnGlory.org
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>
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> how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6)
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Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[Lance Muir]

Mr. Moderator: Shall we break it down as follows: Did the word 'stupid' 
appear in an e-mail from yourself wherein John Smithson, the venerable 
Bishop of California, was being addressed?


Mr. Moderator: On the matter of one's 'standard'. I do not perceive myself 
to be the 'standard' of anything/anyone.


Mr. Moderator: You, once again, failed to address the heart of the matter in 
my ever-so-short post. You do have a way of unnecessarily 'complexifying' 
matters, David. Is it your wish that folks will finally just give up in 
frustration, being unable to extract a direct answer from you? I fully 
understand as I've done such on occasion myself.
- Original Message - 
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 12:39
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit



I did NOT call John stupid.  In contrast, however, John did call me
dishonest.  He also called me a poop.  I guess that is ok in your book.

DM.

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To: 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the 
Spirit



David, along with a sneaky qualifier, just called John stupid. David, IMO,
is quite capable of speaking  to others in a demeaning fashion. (those of 
us

with discernment take note of such).
- Original Message - 
From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 11:33
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the 
Spirit




Lance, please stop telling others to shut up. It is not becoming. iz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:07 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
Spirit

So David, you believe my observation to be FALSE!?? IFF you do not then
say
so. Put up or shut up! Opinion shminion. If I speak the truth on a matter
and, you believe it to be so then, speak up. This is beneath you. Petty,
petty, petty.


- Original Message - 
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 10:05
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
Spirit



Lance wrote:

Not one participant has proved themselves an
exception to the occasional mishandling of the text
soo thenwhy so defensive?


I don't know anybody being defensive.  We have simply asked you to
explain
the standard by which you can judge this.  You have given us none, so, 
we

simply recognize that you have no standard but yourself.  Since your
standard is faulty, by your own admission, as Kevin has so rightly
analyzed
the situation, your opinion should be ignored.

The truth is that some here have never mishandled the sacred text.

Peace be with you.
David Miller.

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Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[David Miller]

Lance wrote:
> So David, you believe my observation to be
> FALSE!?? IFF you do not then say so.

Yes, Lance, I believe your observation to be false.  I have been saying so 
many times.  It sure has taken you a long time to see this.

Lance wrote:
> Put up or shut up! Opinion shminion. If I speak
> the truth on a matter and, you believe it to be so
> then, speak up. This is beneath you. Petty,
> petty, petty.

Who's getting defensive now?  Isn't it amazing how you see others as being 
defensive, just before you blow a gasket.

You have made the assertion that everybody on TruthTalk has at times 
mishandled the Scriptures.  I can find no basis for this assertion.  I don't 
believe it.  I disagree with it.  Clear enough?

DM.

- Original Message - 
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 10:05
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit


> Lance wrote:
>> Not one participant has proved themselves an
>> exception to the occasional mishandling of the text
>> soo thenwhy so defensive?
>
> I don't know anybody being defensive.  We have simply asked you to explain
> the standard by which you can judge this.  You have given us none, so, we
> simply recognize that you have no standard but yourself.  Since your
> standard is faulty, by your own admission, as Kevin has so rightly
> analyzed
> the situation, your opinion should be ignored.
>
> The truth is that some here have never mishandled the sacred text.
>
> Peace be with you.
> David Miller.

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Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[David Miller]

I did NOT call John stupid.  In contrast, however, John did call me 
dishonest.  He also called me a poop.  I guess that is ok in your book.

DM.

- Original Message - 
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit


David, along with a sneaky qualifier, just called John stupid. David, IMO,
is quite capable of speaking  to others in a demeaning fashion. (those of us
with discernment take note of such).
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From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 11:33
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit


> Lance, please stop telling others to shut up. It is not becoming. iz
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:07 AM
> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
> Spirit
>
> So David, you believe my observation to be FALSE!?? IFF you do not then
> say
> so. Put up or shut up! Opinion shminion. If I speak the truth on a matter
> and, you believe it to be so then, speak up. This is beneath you. Petty,
> petty, petty.
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: October 14, 2005 10:05
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the
> Spirit
>
>
>> Lance wrote:
>>> Not one participant has proved themselves an
>>> exception to the occasional mishandling of the text
>>> soo thenwhy so defensive?
>>
>> I don't know anybody being defensive.  We have simply asked you to
>> explain
>> the standard by which you can judge this.  You have given us none, so, we
>> simply recognize that you have no standard but yourself.  Since your
>> standard is faulty, by your own admission, as Kevin has so rightly
>> analyzed
>> the situation, your opinion should be ignored.
>>
>> The truth is that some here have never mishandled the sacred text.
>>
>> Peace be with you.
>> David Miller.
>>
>> --
>> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
>> know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6)
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>
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> know
> how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6)
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Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[Lance Muir]

David, along with a sneaky qualifier, just called John stupid. David, IMO, 
is quite capable of speaking  to others in a demeaning fashion. (those of us 
with discernment take note of such).
- Original Message - 
From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 11:33
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit



Lance, please stop telling others to shut up. It is not becoming. iz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:07 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the 
Spirit


So David, you believe my observation to be FALSE!?? IFF you do not then 
say

so. Put up or shut up! Opinion shminion. If I speak the truth on a matter
and, you believe it to be so then, speak up. This is beneath you. Petty,
petty, petty.


- Original Message - 
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 10:05
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the 
Spirit




Lance wrote:

Not one participant has proved themselves an
exception to the occasional mishandling of the text
soo thenwhy so defensive?


I don't know anybody being defensive.  We have simply asked you to 
explain

the standard by which you can judge this.  You have given us none, so, we
simply recognize that you have no standard but yourself.  Since your
standard is faulty, by your own admission, as Kevin has so rightly
analyzed
the situation, your opinion should be ignored.

The truth is that some here have never mishandled the sacred text.

Peace be with you.
David Miller.

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RE: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[ShieldsFamily]

Lance, please stop telling others to shut up. It is not becoming. iz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:07 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

So David, you believe my observation to be FALSE!?? IFF you do not then say 
so. Put up or shut up! Opinion shminion. If I speak the truth on a matter 
and, you believe it to be so then, speak up. This is beneath you. Petty, 
petty, petty.


- Original Message - 
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 10:05
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit


> Lance wrote:
>> Not one participant has proved themselves an
>> exception to the occasional mishandling of the text
>> soo thenwhy so defensive?
>
> I don't know anybody being defensive.  We have simply asked you to explain
> the standard by which you can judge this.  You have given us none, so, we
> simply recognize that you have no standard but yourself.  Since your
> standard is faulty, by your own admission, as Kevin has so rightly 
> analyzed
> the situation, your opinion should be ignored.
>
> The truth is that some here have never mishandled the sacred text.
>
> Peace be with you.
> David Miller.
>
> --
> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may 
> know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) 
> http://www.InnGlory.org
>
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> 


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Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[Lance Muir]

So David, you believe my observation to be FALSE!?? IFF you do not then say 
so. Put up or shut up! Opinion shminion. If I speak the truth on a matter 
and, you believe it to be so then, speak up. This is beneath you. Petty, 
petty, petty.



- Original Message - 
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: October 14, 2005 10:05
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit



Lance wrote:

Not one participant has proved themselves an
exception to the occasional mishandling of the text
soo thenwhy so defensive?


I don't know anybody being defensive.  We have simply asked you to explain
the standard by which you can judge this.  You have given us none, so, we
simply recognize that you have no standard but yourself.  Since your
standard is faulty, by your own admission, as Kevin has so rightly 
analyzed

the situation, your opinion should be ignored.

The truth is that some here have never mishandled the sacred text.

Peace be with you.
David Miller.

--
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know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) 
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Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[David Miller]

Lance wrote:
> Not one participant has proved themselves an
> exception to the occasional mishandling of the text
> soo thenwhy so defensive?

I don't know anybody being defensive.  We have simply asked you to explain 
the standard by which you can judge this.  You have given us none, so, we 
simply recognize that you have no standard but yourself.  Since your 
standard is faulty, by your own admission, as Kevin has so rightly analyzed 
the situation, your opinion should be ignored.

The truth is that some here have never mishandled the sacred text.

Peace be with you.
David Miller. 

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how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org

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Re: [TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[Terry Clifton]

Lance Muir wrote:

  
  
  
  FWIW, I believe this to be true of
those currently posting on TT. I've only added ONE QUALIFIER having to
do with one's handling of the Scriptures. Not one participant has
proved themselves an exception to the occasional mishandling of the
text soo thenwhy so defensive?  


My humility prevents me from responding.

[TruthTalk] On knowing the Father through the Son by the Spirit

[Lance Muir]

FWIW, I believe this to be true of those currently 
posting on TT. I've only added ONE QUALIFIER having to do with one's handling of 
the Scriptures. Not one participant has proved themselves an exception to the 
occasional mishandling of the text soo thenwhy so 
defensive?