Re: [TruthTalk] Refresher concerning the TruthTalk forum
I never said "go to Hell" I did say you are a LIAR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like I said, Deegan -- you are here for the fight and nothing else. You have my explanation s below and they will not be revisited. It really is a shame about your hate. JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 21:01:15 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Refresher concerning the TruthTalk forum John wrote: So where was the concern when Deegan called me a liar half a dozen times? Just for the record, John, I wrote Gary privately about that and his response was asking me to dig up the old posts for him. Then he posted something to TruthTalk that basically said he wanted people to be free to speak however they like to speak. Peace be with you. David Miller. LIE ONE John wrote: Too bad you don't work for a living -- it would go a long way to keeping you off the street. You are the liar on this one. Kevin. I wrote a post minutes after this first -- which made the point I was trying to make. From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 19 May 2005 16:40:57 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells We went thru this all before and JD knows this. I don't mind if any call me ANGRY (CW) or worse (Johnathan). But to continue to propagate outright lies, well that is JD. This is a little bit of a sore point, as I will try and explain (again) I do not have my own business but am employed by others. I was married to Cheryl for 10 years in which we never had a vacation because all my vacation and many weekends and evenings were spent in ministy, in church out. SNIP LIE TWO I am not the one saying this. Lie number two for Deegan. Kevin DeeganWed, 20 Apr 2005 04:25:52 -0700 DO not LIE imply that I ever said "GO TO HELL" or have any wishes that anyone go there. You are a liar. (Like father like son)[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/19/2005 3:21:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LM says Go to hell, DavidLance has caught the Jezebel Spirit! So you don't like it when someone says it back to you? JD LIE THREE The churches he cited were not a part of the Churches of Christ , mainstream Restoration. The Boston C of C is not a part of the mainstream Restoration body. They have somewhere around 160 congregations and hopefully, their influence will die out completely. The fact that you and David did not know this is proof of my point. Lie number three , Kevin. Kevin DeeganSun, 24 Apr 2005 04:50:29 -0700 First it was you never talked to any CoC's Then it was never in the Church And now that david has posted the names it becomes Well you never preached in one! Ludicrous! Just like the "NONE" that mysteriously changed to "few" Par for the course for the LIAR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/23/2005 2:12:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not sure who you are talking about when you say "ignorant" Church of Christers, or what you mean by saying that I handled them so effectively. Many of them have sought me out, some I have accepted invitations to come visit them in their church or home, some have approached me trying to convert me to their way but ending up slipping on the creek bank and becoming baptized in the Holy Ghost and coming out of the Church of Christ. Nonsense, David. Absolute nonsense. You have never been invited to a non- instrument Church of Christ and delivered members of that church from whatever -- if that is a part of your claim in the above. Names, David. Give me the name of any Church of Chrsit you prached in. not unless you pretended to be one of them. Kevin DeeganWed, 20 Apr 2005 11:07:24 -0700 LIAR says You got me. Whoa -- how could I have been so inconsistent? No, actually, I meant what I said. Judy is the one who equated "one" with a "lot." This is what I mean -- you really don't read our posts. You just react. Point is you changed your story. That is to be expected. When one lies it gets hard to keep the stories straight! I changed nothing. David nor you know the differeence between the mainstream C of C and the Boston church. They are not in fellowship with each other -- they are separate as the Mormons are from the Baptist. Once again, Deegan you know nothing of what you are talking about. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/20/2005 4:52:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JD NOW says By the way -- "one" is not "a lot." JD previously said "There are no corrupt Bibles"SO, what you really meant to say was "there are few corrupt Bibles" You got me. Whoa -- how could I have been so inconsistent? No, actually, I meant what I said. Judy is the one who equated "one" with a "lot." This is what I mean -- you really don't read our post
[TruthTalk] Refresher concerning the TruthTalk forum
Lance wrote: Why not let David take care of this privately? Because Gary said it publicly. Besides that, my experience is that Gary often does not respond to my private posts, so why should I waste my time? Can't you, Gary, and John follow rules? Let's not be lawless. We have one rule on TruthTalk: No ad hominem arguments. The reason for this is because the dialogue degenerates into being about egos and people defending themselves. We want to talk about truth. The list is not for evangelizing, personal counseling, or any other similar personal ministry. It is a place for discussing Truth. Here is the way it works. When Perry acts as moderator to guide people away from the ad hominem arguments, the people addressed should comply and not respond to the list. If you have a problem with what he is saying, write to him privately. Perry is the only one on the list who can address personal issues, and he does so as moderator to keep the discussion on track. So please do not reply to the list when reading any post where Perry signs it as moderator, or indicates in the subject line that the post is being made as moderator. Concerning Kevin calling John a liar. That is an ad hominem remark as well and is generally not allowed. We have been over this many times. Giving evidence along with the remark might make such a post allowable in some cases. That is for the moderator to make the call on. The reason it might be allowed is because if he wants to demonstrate how someone is bearing false witness by producing facts, that might be edifying to the list. Just calling someone a liar is not edifying. Still, what is considered solid evidence to one person might appear to be no evidence at all to everybody else, so the moderator has the final say about what will be allowed. There are gray areas here. Personally, I think it is best if nobody ever calls anyone a liar on the list. That does not mean he cannot do so privately or in another forum. It is not a sin to call someone a liar. It is something we simply discourage on this list only. The reason? We want to talk about truth, not judge one another on the list. The focus here should be on truth, concepts, ideas, theology, philosophy, and opinions, not upon people. So to summarize: 1. No ad hominem arugments are allowed on the list. 2. Do not respond to the list on any posts signed by Perry as moderator. Accept what he says, or respond privately if needed. 3. If you think someone has crossed the line about the ad hominem rule, respond to that person directly on the list in the course of your argument to point out their error, or write Perry privately and ask him to do something about it. Do not attempt to use it to justify the ad hominem remarks of others. Two wrongs do not make something right. You cannot justify bad behavior by pointing out somebody else's bad behavior. If we follow these simple rules, the list will get cleaned up and we can get back to some constructive discussions like we have had in the past. Peace be with you. David Miller List Administrator -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Refresher concerning the TruthTalk forum
How bout them Dadgers !! Can't you, Gary, and John follow rules? Let's not be lawless. We have one rule on TruthTalk: No ad hominem arguments. The reason for this is because the dialogue degenerates into being about egos and people defending themselves. We want to talk about truth. The list is not for evangelizing, personal counseling, or any other similar personal ministry. It is a place for discussing Truth.
Re: [TruthTalk] Refresher concerning the TruthTalk forum
John wrote: So where was the concern when Deegan called me a liar half a dozen times? Just for the record, John, I wrote Gary privately about that and his response was asking me to dig up the old posts for him. Then he posted something to TruthTalk that basically said he wanted people to be free to speak however they like to speak. Peace be with you. David Miller. LIE ONE John wrote: Too bad you don't work for a living -- it would go a long way to keeping you off the street. From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 19 May 2005 16:40:57 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells We went thru this all before and JD knows this. I don't mind if any call me ANGRY (CW) or worse (Johnathan). But to continue to propagate outright lies, well that is JD. This is a little bit of a sore point, as I will try and explain (again) I do not have my own business but am employed by others. I was married to Cheryl for 10 years in which we never had a vacation because all my vacation and many weekends and evenings were spent in ministy, in church out. SNIP LIE TWO Kevin DeeganWed, 20 Apr 2005 04:25:52 -0700 DO not LIE imply that I ever said "GO TO HELL" or have any wishes that anyone go there. You are a liar. (Like father like son)[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/19/2005 3:21:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LM says Go to hell, DavidLance has caught the Jezebel Spirit! So you don't like it when someone says it back to you? JD LIE THREE Kevin DeeganSun, 24 Apr 2005 04:50:29 -0700 First it was you never talked to any CoC's Then it was never in the Church And now that david has posted the names it becomes Well you never preached in one! Ludicrous! Just like the "NONE" that mysteriously changed to "few" Par for the course for the LIAR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/23/2005 2:12:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not sure who you are talking about when you say "ignorant" Church of Christers, or what you mean by saying that I handled them so effectively. Many of them have sought me out, some I have accepted invitations to come visit them in their church or home, some have approached me trying to convert me to their way but ending up slipping on the creek bank and becoming baptized in the Holy Ghost and coming out of the Church of Christ. Nonsense, David. Absolute nonsense. You have never been invited to a non- instrument Church of Christ and delivered members of that church from whatever -- if that is a part of your claim in the above. Names, David. Give me the name of any Church of Chrsit you prached in. not unless you pretended to be one of them. Kevin DeeganWed, 20 Apr 2005 11:07:24 -0700 LIAR says You got me. Whoa -- how could I have been so inconsistent? No, actually, I meant what I said. Judy is the one who equated "one" with a "lot." This is what I mean -- you really don't read our posts. You just react. Point is you changed your story. That is to be expected. When one lies it gets hard to keep the stories straight! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/20/2005 4:52:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JD NOW says By the way -- "one" is not "a lot." JD previously said "There are no corrupt Bibles"SO, what you really meant to say was "there are few corrupt Bibles" You got me. Whoa -- how could I have been so inconsistent? No, actually, I meant what I said. Judy is the one who equated "one" with a "lot." This is what I mean -- you really don't read our posts. You just react. JD Judy TaylorWed, 20 Apr 2005 11:25:39 -0700 Another lie to cover the first one JD? Why not just "give it up" because this is a gotcha! What I said is that there are a lot of corrupt bibles out there and I gave one as an example which is hardly equating one with a lot. Do you have a problem with dyslexia by any chance? jt On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:06:11 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LIAR says You got me. Whoa -- how could I have been so inconsistent? No, actually, I meant what I said. Judy is the one who equated "one" with a "lot." This is what I mean -- you really don't read our posts. You just react. Point is you changed your story. That is to be expected. When one lies it gets hard to keep the stories straight! David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lance wrote: Why not let David take care of this privately?Because Gary said it publicly. Besides that, my experience is that Gary often does not respond to my private posts, so why should I waste my time?Can't you, Gary, and John follow rules? Let's not be lawless. We have one rule on TruthTalk: No ad hominem arguments. The reason for this is because the dialogue degenerates into being about egos and people defending themselves. We want to talk about truth. The list is not for evangelizing, personal counseling, or any other similar personal ministry. It is a place for discussing
Re: [TruthTalk] Refresher concerning the TruthTalk forum
Like I said, Deegan -- you are here for the fight and nothing else. You have my explanation s below and they will not be revisited. It really is a shame about your hate. JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 21:01:15 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Refresher concerning the TruthTalk forum John wrote: So where was the concern when Deegan called me a liar half a dozen times? Just for the record, John, I wrote Gary privately about that and his response was asking me to dig up the old posts for him. Then he posted something to TruthTalk that basically said he wanted people to be free to speak however they like to speak. Peace be with you. David Miller. LIE ONE John wrote: Too bad you don't work for a living -- it would go a long way to keeping you off the street. You are the liar on this one. Kevin. I wrote a post minutes after this first -- which made the point I was trying to make. From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Thu, 19 May 2005 16:40:57 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fond Farewells We went thru this all before and JD knows this. I don't mind if any call me ANGRY (CW) or worse (Johnathan). But to continue to propagate outright lies, well that is JD. This is a little bit of a sore point, as I will try and explain (again) I do not have my own business but am employed by others. I was married to Cheryl for 10 years in which we never had a vacation because all my vacation and many weekends and evenings were spent in ministy, in church out. SNIP LIE TWO I am not the one saying this. Lie number two for Deegan. Kevin DeeganWed, 20 Apr 2005 04:25:52 -0700 DO not LIE imply that I ever said "GO TO HELL" or have any wishes that anyone go there. You are a liar. (Like father like son)[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/19/2005 3:21:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LM says Go to hell, DavidLance has caught the Jezebel Spirit! So you don't like it when someone says it back to you? JD LIE THREE The churches he cited were not a part of the Churches of Christ , mainstream Restoration. The Boston C of C is not a part of the mainstream Restoration body. They have somewhere around 160 congregations and hopefully, their influence will die out completely. The fact that you and David did not know this is proof of my point. Lie number three , Kevin. Kevin DeeganSun, 24 Apr 2005 04:50:29 -0700 First it was you never talked to any CoC's Then it was never in the Church And now that david has posted the names it becomes Well you never preached in one! Ludicrous! Just like the "NONE" that mysteriously changed to "few" Par for the course for the LIAR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/23/2005 2:12:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not sure who you are talking about when you say "ignorant" Church of Christers, or what you mean by saying that I handled them so effectively. Many of them have sought me out, some I have accepted invitations to come visit them in their church or home, some have approached me trying to convert me to their way but ending up slipping on the creek bank and becoming baptized in the Holy Ghost and coming out of the Church of Christ. Nonsense, David. Absolute nonsense. You have never been invited to a non- instrument Church of Christ and delivered members of that church from whatever -- if that is a part of your claim in the above. Names, David. Give me the name of any Church of Chrsit you prached in. not unless you pretended to be one of them. Kevin DeeganWed, 20 Apr 2005 11:07:24 -0700 LIAR says You got me. Whoa -- how could I have been so inconsistent? No, actually, I meant what I said. Judy is the one who equated "one" with a "lot." This is what I mean -- you really don't read our posts. You just react. Point is you changed your story. That is to be expected. When one lies it gets hard to keep the stories straight! I changed nothing. David nor you know the differeence between the mainstream C of C and the Boston church. They are not in fellowship with each other -- they are separate as the Mormons are from the Baptist. Once again, Deegan you know nothing of what you are talking about. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/20/2005 4:52:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JD NOW says By the way -- "one" is not "a lot." JD previously said "There are no corrupt Bibles"SO, what you really meant to say was "there are few corrupt Bibles" You got me. Whoa -- how could I have been so inconsistent? No, actually, I meant what I said. Judy is the one who equated "one" with a "lot." This is what I mean -- you really don't read our posts. You just react. JD Judy TaylorWed, 20 Apr 2005 11:25:39 -0700 Another lie to cov
