[TruthTalk] Truth & Gossip
Lance quotes Debbie: > a false rumour has the power to destroy a person. Considering the truthfulness of this statement, I would like to clarify some things because it has come to my attention that John is engaging others on this forum in gossip about me. John tells me that he will not courtesy copy me on any of these communications about me. His grapevine involves at least four other TruthTalk members. I cannot force him not to gossip, nor can I force anyone to turn away their ear from hearing gossip and falsehoods, but when I know of it occurring, I can shine a light upon it and urge you all to turn away from listening to gossip about others. John and I have had some private exchanges wherein he has clarified a number of things concerning his attitude toward me. 1. He believes that I am a false prophet. 2. He believes that I am a fraud and that I am addicted to fraud. 3. He believes that I am addicted to arrogance. 4. He believes that I am addicted to deceit. 5. He believes that I am addicted to the false witness of the beliefs of others. 6. He believes that I am a backstabber, and that I have backstabbed him. 7. He believes that I am allowing a lie to rule the day. 8. He believes that a good amount of my life is a lie. 9. He believes that I claimed to "be a Ph.D." and that I tried to make others believe that I had a Ph.D. 10. He claims that there are four other TruthTalk members who believe that I pretended to have a Ph.D. 11. He believes that I claimed to be an apostle. 12. He believes that it was his persistent questioning that exposed these falsehoods of a Ph.D. degree and apostolic function that I was supposedly trying to convince everyone else to be true about me. 13. He believes that I have set myself up as a judge. 14. He believes that I speak ONLY from personal bias. 15. He believes that there is scarcely a single post addressed to him from me that does not have something personal and insulting. 16. He believes that I have made false claims about successes as a street preacher. 17. He believes Dean has elevated the moderator position to that of judge and jury. 18. He believes Dean is a coward. 19. He believes Dean hides behind the testimony of confused and weak women. 20. He believes that Dean is no different than southern hicks who hung blacks, burned churches, and killed those who opposed their ignorance. 21. He believes that Dean lacks integrity. 22. He believes that Dean and Judy are lying about him asking for her Pastor's name in order to get his opinion on her teachings. 23 He tells me that SEVERAL on TruthTalk have told him that I am a scary fellow. 24. He believes that he was expelled for a lie. 25. He believes that my questions about his leadership role and my interest in talking with those in leadership with him constituted a threat. 26. He believes that I had the notion of vengeful activity toward him. 27. He believes that I wanted to expose him to his pastor, but what I was going to expose is not stated. 28. He believes that I wanted to speak evil about him. 29. He has no reason to believe anything I say. 30. He believes that I am profoundly ignorant. 31. He believes that there was nothing ad hominem in his treatment of me. 32. He believes that he knows the real reason he was expelled and it is not the reason that I think it was. 33. He makes it clear to me that I am not his friend. 34. He believes that I am a cultist without a cult. 35. He believes that my evil is profound. Very clearly, communication between us has completely broken down. These recent disclosures have caused a total lack of trust on my part toward John. It disturbs me that others on TruthTalk are engaging in gossip with him. I consider gossip a sin, and I urge anyone who is engaging in it and allowing their minds to be soured by this man to reconsider what they are doing. John has said that several of you think I am a scary person because I asked John which of the Foursquare pastors in his community he was working with. I want to clarify some facts about this right now. When John said his leadership role was pastor, and he gave me his city, I looked up on the Foursquare directory the church there. Instead of John Smithson listed there, it was another man. John had said in the past that his church was large, so I assumed that perhaps he was an associate pastor or assistant pastor. This led to me writing and asking John about it. This post follows: === - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding John wrote: >>> ... I speak as one who is leadership. David wrote: >> What is your leadership position >> in your local church? John wrote: > Pastor. I am one no matter where I > attend. Does it sound arrogant for me > to tell you that I am the pastor of Sanger, > California? No, not necessarily, bu
Re: [TruthTalk] Truth & Gossip
cd: Hey Marlin- I still dumpster dive-No different from a flea market- But now days the nice people at the dumpsters place the stuff out for me if it is any good-if not- they have a good return policy.Got a TV with a cd player for my camper just the other day and a snow board for my grandson:-)Waste not want not. > [Original Message] > From: Marlin halverson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Date: 2/21/2006 9:12:29 PM > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Truth & Gossip > > Dear David Miller, > > I believe that my first post was critical of the way that members were > treating one-another. Soon after, I found myself to be a recipient of ad > hominem remarks. Since that time I have been very sparing with what I have > contributed to the forum. > > Thank you David Miller, for maintaining your dignity throughout the time I > have been tuned in to TT. You have my highest respect. > > I have not yet unsubscribed from TT. I am now waiting to see as Caroll is > making an effort to improve the forum. He has my support in so doing. > > Alas, there has been an occasional golden nugget. Hanging around is akin to > the times in my life when I have gone dumpster diving to find something of > value. And I appreciate getting to know of others who are using their > unique gifts and methods to minister for God. > > Love, > > Marlin > > > -- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Truth & Gossip
Dear David Miller, I believe that my first post was critical of the way that members were treating one-another. Soon after, I found myself to be a recipient of ad hominem remarks. Since that time I have been very sparing with what I have contributed to the forum. Thank you David Miller, for maintaining your dignity throughout the time I have been tuned in to TT. You have my highest respect. I have not yet unsubscribed from TT. I am now waiting to see as Caroll is making an effort to improve the forum. He has my support in so doing. Alas, there has been an occasional golden nugget. Hanging around is akin to the times in my life when I have gone dumpster diving to find something of value. And I appreciate getting to know of others who are using their unique gifts and methods to minister for God. Love, Marlin -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Truth & Gossip
Thank you so much, Marlin, for sharing this. It gives me great hope that Dean's leadership will bring about a list that will be much more productive and enjoyable for everyone. God bless you. David Miller. === - Original Message - From: "Marlin halverson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Truth & Gossip Dear David Miller, I believe that my first post was critical of the way that members were treating one-another. Soon after, I found myself to be a recipient of ad hominem remarks. Since that time I have been very sparing with what I have contributed to the forum. Thank you David Miller, for maintaining your dignity throughout the time I have been tuned in to TT. You have my highest respect. I have not yet unsubscribed from TT. I am now waiting to see as Caroll is making an effort to improve the forum. He has my support in so doing. Alas, there has been an occasional golden nugget. Hanging around is akin to the times in my life when I have gone dumpster diving to find something of value. And I appreciate getting to know of others who are using their unique gifts and methods to minister for God. Love, Marlin -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Truth & Gossip
How much of that which you claim, without proof, that John 'believes' concerning you is drawn from hsi reading of and, conversations with, you? When you David, speak of any living person in a manner that might be deemed critical do you attempt to cc them? - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "TruthTalk" Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: February 21, 2006 16:21 Subject: [TruthTalk] Truth & Gossip Lance quotes Debbie: a false rumour has the power to destroy a person. Considering the truthfulness of this statement, I would like to clarify some things because it has come to my attention that John is engaging others on this forum in gossip about me. John tells me that he will not courtesy copy me on any of these communications about me. His grapevine involves at least four other TruthTalk members. I cannot force him not to gossip, nor can I force anyone to turn away their ear from hearing gossip and falsehoods, but when I know of it occurring, I can shine a light upon it and urge you all to turn away from listening to gossip about others. John and I have had some private exchanges wherein he has clarified a number of things concerning his attitude toward me. 1. He believes that I am a false prophet. 2. He believes that I am a fraud and that I am addicted to fraud. 3. He believes that I am addicted to arrogance. 4. He believes that I am addicted to deceit. 5. He believes that I am addicted to the false witness of the beliefs of others. 6. He believes that I am a backstabber, and that I have backstabbed him. 7. He believes that I am allowing a lie to rule the day. 8. He believes that a good amount of my life is a lie. 9. He believes that I claimed to "be a Ph.D." and that I tried to make others believe that I had a Ph.D. 10. He claims that there are four other TruthTalk members who believe that I pretended to have a Ph.D. 11. He believes that I claimed to be an apostle. 12. He believes that it was his persistent questioning that exposed these falsehoods of a Ph.D. degree and apostolic function that I was supposedly trying to convince everyone else to be true about me. 13. He believes that I have set myself up as a judge. 14. He believes that I speak ONLY from personal bias. 15. He believes that there is scarcely a single post addressed to him from me that does not have something personal and insulting. 16. He believes that I have made false claims about successes as a street preacher. 17. He believes Dean has elevated the moderator position to that of judge and jury. 18. He believes Dean is a coward. 19. He believes Dean hides behind the testimony of confused and weak women. 20. He believes that Dean is no different than southern hicks who hung blacks, burned churches, and killed those who opposed their ignorance. 21. He believes that Dean lacks integrity. 22. He believes that Dean and Judy are lying about him asking for her Pastor's name in order to get his opinion on her teachings. 23 He tells me that SEVERAL on TruthTalk have told him that I am a scary fellow. 24. He believes that he was expelled for a lie. 25. He believes that my questions about his leadership role and my interest in talking with those in leadership with him constituted a threat. 26. He believes that I had the notion of vengeful activity toward him. 27. He believes that I wanted to expose him to his pastor, but what I was going to expose is not stated. 28. He believes that I wanted to speak evil about him. 29. He has no reason to believe anything I say. 30. He believes that I am profoundly ignorant. 31. He believes that there was nothing ad hominem in his treatment of me. 32. He believes that he knows the real reason he was expelled and it is not the reason that I think it was. 33. He makes it clear to me that I am not his friend. 34. He believes that I am a cultist without a cult. 35. He believes that my evil is profound. Very clearly, communication between us has completely broken down. These recent disclosures have caused a total lack of trust on my part toward John. It disturbs me that others on TruthTalk are engaging in gossip with him. I consider gossip a sin, and I urge anyone who is engaging in it and allowing their minds to be soured by this man to reconsider what they are doing. John has said that several of you think I am a scary person because I asked John which of the Foursquare pastors in his community he was working with. I want to clarify some facts about this right now. When John said his leadership role was pastor, and he gave me his city, I looked up on the Foursquare directory the church there. Instead of John Smithson listed there, it was another man. John had said in the past that his church was large, so I assumed that perhaps he was an associate pastor or assistant pastor. This led to me writing and asking John about it. This post follows: =
Re: [TruthTalk] Truth & Gossip
Anyone see 'High Noon' recently? Now, just who is 'Frank Miller' and, who is 'Will Kane'? - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: February 22, 2006 08:38 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Truth & Gossip Thank you so much, Marlin, for sharing this. It gives me great hope that Dean's leadership will bring about a list that will be much more productive and enjoyable for everyone. God bless you. David Miller. === - Original Message - From: "Marlin halverson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Truth & Gossip Dear David Miller, I believe that my first post was critical of the way that members were treating one-another. Soon after, I found myself to be a recipient of ad hominem remarks. Since that time I have been very sparing with what I have contributed to the forum. Thank you David Miller, for maintaining your dignity throughout the time I have been tuned in to TT. You have my highest respect. I have not yet unsubscribed from TT. I am now waiting to see as Caroll is making an effort to improve the forum. He has my support in so doing. Alas, there has been an occasional golden nugget. Hanging around is akin to the times in my life when I have gone dumpster diving to find something of value. And I appreciate getting to know of others who are using their unique gifts and methods to minister for God. Love, Marlin -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Truth & Gossip
> [Original Message] > From: Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Date: 2/22/2006 8:56:44 AM > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Truth & Gossip > > Anyone see 'High Noon' recently? Now, just who is 'Frank Miller' and, who is > 'Will Kane'? cd: It has been a few years Lance-but from memory-Frank Miller is the returning killer who was released from prison and is on a quest for vengence to the sheriff who captured him. Isn't Will Cane the sheriff? And your point? > > > - Original Message - > From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: February 22, 2006 08:38 > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Truth & Gossip > > > > Thank you so much, Marlin, for sharing this. It gives me great hope that > > Dean's leadership will bring about a list that will be much more > > productive > > and enjoyable for everyone. God bless you. > > > > David Miller. > > > > ======= > > - Original Message - > > From: "Marlin halverson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 9:11 PM > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Truth & Gossip > > > > > > Dear David Miller, > > > > I believe that my first post was critical of the way that members were > > treating one-another. Soon after, I found myself to be a recipient of ad > > hominem remarks. Since that time I have been very sparing with what I > > have > > contributed to the forum. > > > > Thank you David Miller, for maintaining your dignity throughout the time I > > have been tuned in to TT. You have my highest respect. > > > > I have not yet unsubscribed from TT. I am now waiting to see as Caroll is > > making an effort to improve the forum. He has my support in so doing. > > > > Alas, there has been an occasional golden nugget. Hanging around is akin > > to > > the times in my life when I have gone dumpster diving to find something of > > value. And I appreciate getting to know of others who are using their > > unique gifts and methods to minister for God. > > > > Love, > > > > Marlin > > > > > > -- > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > > know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > > http://www.InnGlory.org > > > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a > > friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > > > > -- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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'twas an rhetorical question, Dean. - Original Message - From: "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: February 24, 2006 06:16 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Truth & Gossip [Original Message] From: Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Date: 2/22/2006 8:56:44 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Truth & Gossip Anyone see 'High Noon' recently? Now, just who is 'Frank Miller' and, who is 'Will Kane'? cd: It has been a few years Lance-but from memory-Frank Miller is the returning killer who was released from prison and is on a quest for vengence to the sheriff who captured him. Isn't Will Cane the sheriff? And your point? - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: February 22, 2006 08:38 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Truth & Gossip > Thank you so much, Marlin, for sharing this. It gives me great hope that > Dean's leadership will bring about a list that will be much more > productive > and enjoyable for everyone. God bless you. > > David Miller. > > === > - Original Message - > From: "Marlin halverson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 9:11 PM > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Truth & Gossip > > > Dear David Miller, > > I believe that my first post was critical of the way that members were > treating one-another. Soon after, I found myself to be a recipient of ad > hominem remarks. Since that time I have been very sparing with what I > have > contributed to the forum. > > Thank you David Miller, for maintaining your dignity throughout the time I > have been tuned in to TT. You have my highest respect. > > I have not yet unsubscribed from TT. I am now waiting to see as Caroll is > making an effort to improve the forum. He has my support in so doing. > > Alas, there has been an occasional golden nugget. Hanging around is akin > to > the times in my life when I have gone dumpster diving to find something of > value. And I appreciate getting to know of others who are using their > unique gifts and methods to minister for God. > > Love, > > Marlin > > > -- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a > friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
