subject:"\[TruthTalk\] Uncleanness come via the woman"






On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:39:56 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Bill says that the incarnate Christ was holy because He was God on 
  earth.
  Judy says He was not God on earth and His holiness came from the fact 
  that He 
  had no earthly faither. 
  
  JD when are you going to get a hold of yourself and 
  stop putting words in my mouth?
  The prophecy that the "virgin" would bear a child and 
  his name would be Emmanuel
  go together. Why?? If sin is no big deal 
  and rcc baptism can wash it away in infants
  so easily then why did 
  Fod's Son have to beborn of a virgin?
  
  Apparently her "generational curse" theoryteaches that this curse 
  is continued 
  only through the father.
  
  This is no theory JD; it is spiritual reality. 
  After all it was BY ONE MAN that sin 
  entered this world and 
  death by (or because of) sin.
  
  She ignores Job 25: 4 which says " How then can a man be just 
  before God? 
  Or, how can he be clean who is born of woman?" 
  
  Do you know of any man who wasn't born of a woman 
  JD? Job is just stating
  the obvious along with the fact that ALL men are born 
  unclean because of sin.
  
  "Uncleanness" comes via the Mom just as surely as the father. 
  Houston, we have 
  a problem !! jd
  
  We sure have and I think you and Houston had better 
  seek the Lord for some
  wisdom. He set the standard. He holds the 
  man accountable and He kept His
  ONLY begotten son from the taint of sin by having him 
  born of a virgin woman.
  Imagine that???
  
  -- 
Original message -- From: Judy Taylor 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 



No I most certainly don't Dean; those are Bill's 
words and Bill's concepts. Not mine. What I believe is 
that
he was not born by procreation 
like the rest of us since he had no human father. 
Mary may have
contributed an ovum butthe male determines 
achild's gender and his spiritual inheritance also comes by 

way of the father (ie 
the sins of the fathers are visited upon the children) and these are some of 
the reasons
why I can not accept the "orthodox" claim that he 
was exactly the same as us in every way.


On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 06:03:19 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
   cd: Judy is what Bill say in the below true-do you view Christ 
  as being made of a special kindof flesh?
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Taylor 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/18/2006 10:25:23 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , 
neither God nor Man

Certainly I think Jesus was born of God, 
Dean. And I will be glad to address that aspect of his person. But 
before going there I would like to clearly state that you seem to be 
making a different argument than Judy's. Andif you are, 
thenmy question would not apply in the same way to you as it does 
to her. And so, I would like you tobe sure you are truly affirming 
the same things as she, before you speak on her behalf. 

From my understanding of Judy's position, 
shedenies that Jesus was born a flesh-and-blood descendant of 
David through physical birth to Mary. She believes that God made a 
special kind of flesh for Jesus and put it in Mary's womb, and that 
that fleshwas unrelated to fallen humankind, being only "similar" 
to that of us. That is, she believes Jesus' flesh was like Adam's before 
he fell. Hence because of her beliefs, Judy cannot affirm the teaching 
thatJesus is a physical descendant of Adam, and that heis 
the physicalSeed of Abraham and the physical Seed of David, 
allaccording to the flesh. 

You, on the other hand, write that you are 
not denying the biblical teaching that Jesus was the Seed of David 
according to the flesh and that he wasborn of David's flesh and 
blood. You appear to be affirming the truth that Jesus' humanity came 
from the fruit of David's"genitals" (Friberg)according to 
the flesh. In short, you seem to believe that Jesus really was David's 
"offspring."

Dean, that is a different position 
all-together from Judy's. My question for you is, did you realize what 
you were affirming when answering my question?

Bill

Re: [TruthTalk] Uncleanness come via the woman




Do you now or, have you recently, TAUGHT THIS IN 
ANY CHURCH?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: January 20, 2006 04:13
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Uncleanness come 
  via the woman
  
  
  
  On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:39:56 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
Bill says that the incarnate Christ was holy because He was God on 
earth.
Judy says He was not God on earth and His holiness came from the fact 
that He 
had no earthly faither. 

JD when are you going to get a hold of yourself and 
stop putting words in my mouth?
The prophecy that the "virgin" would bear a child 
and his name would be Emmanuel
go together. Why?? If sin is no big 
deal and rcc baptism can wash it away in infants
so easily then why did 
Fod's Son have to beborn of a virgin?

Apparently her "generational curse" theoryteaches that this curse 
is continued 
only through the father.

This is no theory JD; it is spiritual 
reality. After all it was BY ONE MAN that sin 

entered this world and 
death by (or because of) sin.

She ignores Job 25: 4 which says " How then can a man be 
just before God? 
Or, how can he be clean who is born of woman?" 

Do you know of any man who wasn't born of a woman 
JD? Job is just stating
the obvious along with the fact that ALL men are 
born unclean because of sin.

"Uncleanness" comes via the Mom just as surely as the 
father. Houston, we have 
a problem !! jd

We sure have and I think you and Houston had better 
seek the Lord for some
wisdom. He set the standard. He holds 
the man accountable and He kept His
ONLY begotten son from the taint of sin by having 
him born of a virgin woman.
Imagine that???

-- 
  Original message -- From: Judy Taylor 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  

  No I most certainly don't Dean; those are Bill's 
  words and Bill's concepts. Not mine. What I believe is 
  that
  he was not born by procreation 
  like the rest of us since he had no human father. 
  Mary may have
  contributed an ovum butthe male determines 
  achild's gender and his spiritual inheritance also comes by 
  
  way of the father (ie 
  the sins of the fathers are visited upon the children) and these are some 
  of the reasons
  why I can not accept the "orthodox" claim that he 
  was exactly the same as us in every way.
  
  
  On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 06:03:19 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  

 cd: Judy is what Bill say in the below true-do you view 
Christ as being made of a special kindof flesh?




  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: 1/18/2006 10:25:23 PM 

  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , 
  neither God nor Man
  
  Certainly I think Jesus was born of God, 
  Dean. And I will be glad to address that aspect of his person. But 
  before going there I would like to clearly state that you seem to be 
  making a different argument than Judy's. Andif you are, 
  thenmy question would not apply in the same way to you as it 
  does to her. And so, I would like you tobe sure you are truly 
  affirming the same things as she, before you speak on her behalf. 
  
  
  From my understanding of Judy's position, 
  shedenies that Jesus was born a flesh-and-blood descendant of 
  David through physical birth to Mary. She believes that God made a 
  special kind of flesh for Jesus and put it in Mary's womb, and 
  that that fleshwas unrelated to fallen humankind, being only 
  "similar" to that of us. That is, she believes Jesus' flesh was like 
  Adam's before he fell. Hence because of her beliefs, Judy cannot 
  affirm the teaching thatJesus is a physical descendant of Adam, 
  and that heis the physicalSeed of Abraham and the physical 
  Seed of David, allaccording to the flesh. 
  
  You, on the other hand, write that you 
  are not denying the biblical teaching that Jesus was the Seed of David 
  according to the flesh and that he wasborn of David's flesh and 
  blood. You appear to be affirming the truth that Jesus' humanity came 
  from the fruit of David's"genitals" (Friberg)according to 
  the flesh. In short, you seem to believe that Jesus really was David's 
  "offspring."
  
  Dean, that is a different position 
  all-together fr

Re: [TruthTalk] Uncleanness come via the woman




Are you worried Lance?
Don't you think God can take care of His Word? 
Should we replicate the heresy hunting
of the Patriarchs and try to keep things a bit more 
pure?

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 05:51:17 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Do you now or, have you recently, TAUGHT THIS IN 
  ANY CHURCH?
  

On 
Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:39:56 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Bill says that the incarnate Christ was holy because He was God on 
  earth.
  Judy says He was not God on earth and His holiness came from the fact 
  that He 
  had no earthly faither. 
  
  JD when are you going to get a hold of yourself 
  and stop putting words in my mouth?
  The prophecy that the "virgin" would bear a child 
  and his name would be Emmanuel
  go together. Why?? If sin is no big 
  deal and rcc baptism can wash it away in infants
  so easily then why did 
  Fod's Son have to beborn of a virgin?
  
  Apparently her "generational curse" theoryteaches that this 
  curse is continued 
  only through the father.
  
  This is no theory JD; it is spiritual 
  reality. After all it was BY ONE MAN that sin 
  
  entered this world and 
  death by (or because of) sin.
  
  She ignores Job 25: 4 which says " How then can a man be 
  just before God? 
  Or, how can he be clean who is born of woman?" 
  
  Do you know of any man who wasn't born of a woman 
  JD? Job is just stating
  the obvious along with the fact that ALL men are 
  born unclean because of sin.
  
  "Uncleanness" comes via the Mom just as surely as the 
  father. Houston, we have 
  a problem !! jd
  
  We sure have and I think you and Houston had 
  better seek the Lord for some
  wisdom. He set the standard. He holds 
  the man accountable and He kept His
  ONLY begotten son from the taint of sin by having 
  him born of a virgin woman.
  Imagine that???
  
  -- 
Original message -- From: Judy Taylor 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 



No I most certainly don't Dean; those are 
Bill's words and Bill's concepts. Not mine. What I believe 
is that
he was not born by procreation 
like the rest of us since he had no human father. 
Mary may have
contributed an ovum butthe male 
determines achild's gender and his spiritual inheritance also 
comes by 
way of the father 
(ie the sins of the fathers are visited upon the children) and these are 
some of the reasons
why I can not accept the "orthodox" claim that 
he was exactly the same as us in every way.


On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 06:03:19 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
   cd: Judy is what Bill say in the below true-do you view 
  Christ as being made of a special kindof flesh?
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Taylor 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/18/2006 10:25:23 PM 

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus 
, neither God nor Man

Certainly I think Jesus was born of 
God, Dean. And I will be glad to address that aspect of his person. 
But before going there I would like to clearly state that you seem 
to be making a different argument than Judy's. Andif you are, 
thenmy question would not apply in the same way to you as it 
does to her. And so, I would like you tobe sure you are truly 
affirming the same things as she, before you speak on her behalf. 


From my understanding of Judy's 
position, shedenies that Jesus was born a flesh-and-blood 
descendant of David through physical birth to Mary. She believes 
that God made a special kind of flesh for Jesus and put it in 
Mary's womb, and that that fleshwas unrelated to fallen 
humankind, being only "similar" to that of us. That is, she believes 
Jesus' flesh was like Adam's before he fell. Hence because of her 
beliefs, Judy cannot affirm the teaching thatJesus is a 
physical descendant of Adam, and that heis the 
physicalSeed of Abraham and the physical Seed of David, 
allaccording to the flesh. 

You, on the other hand, write that you 
are not denying the biblical teaching that Jesus was the Seed of 
David according to the flesh and that he wasborn of David's 
flesh and blood. You appear to be affirming the truth that Jesus' 
humanity came from the fruit of

Re: [TruthTalk] Uncleanness come via the woman




FWIW Judy, I'm confident that DM, BT, JD and G 
would never allow you, given your 'teaching' on TT to teach in their respective 
churches.No Judy, I'm not worried. Most would have sufficient discernment 
to see this.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: January 20, 2006 06:02
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Uncleanness come 
  via the woman
  
  Are you worried Lance?
  Don't you think God can take care of His Word? 
  Should we replicate the heresy hunting
  of the Patriarchs and try to keep things a bit more 
  pure?
  
  On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 05:51:17 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:
  
Do you now or, have you recently, TAUGHT THIS 
IN ANY CHURCH?

  
  On 
  Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:39:56 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
Bill says that the incarnate Christ was holy because He was God on 
earth.
Judy says He was not God on earth and His holiness came from the 
fact that He 
had no earthly faither. 

JD when are you going to get a hold of yourself 
and stop putting words in my mouth?
The prophecy that the "virgin" would bear a 
child and his name would be Emmanuel
go together. Why?? If sin is no big 
deal and rcc baptism can wash it away in infants
so easily then why did Fod's Son have to beborn of a 
virgin?

Apparently her "generational curse" theoryteaches that this 
curse is continued 
only through the father.

This is no theory JD; it is spiritual 
reality. After all it was BY ONE MAN that 
sin 
entered this world and death by (or because of) sin.

She ignores Job 25: 4 which says " How then can a man 
be just before God? 
Or, how can he be clean who is born of woman?" 

Do you know of any man who wasn't born of a 
woman JD? Job is just stating
the obvious along with the fact that ALL men 
are born unclean because of sin.

"Uncleanness" comes via the Mom just as surely as the 
father. Houston, we have 
a problem !! jd

We sure have and I think you and Houston had 
better seek the Lord for some
wisdom. He set the standard. He 
holds the man accountable and He kept His
ONLY begotten son from the taint of sin by 
having him born of a virgin woman.
Imagine that???

-- 
  Original message -- From: Judy Taylor 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  

  No I most certainly don't Dean; those are 
  Bill's words and Bill's concepts. Not mine. What I believe 
  is that
  he was not born by 
  procreation like the rest of us since he had no human 
  father. Mary may have
  contributed an ovum butthe male 
  determines achild's gender and his spiritual inheritance also 
  comes by 
  way of the father 
  (ie the sins of the fathers are visited upon the children) and these 
  are some of the reasons
  why I can not accept the "orthodox" claim 
  that he was exactly the same as us in every way.
  
  
  On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 06:03:19 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  

 cd: Judy is what Bill say in the below true-do you view 
Christ as being made of a special kindof flesh?




  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: 1/18/2006 10:25:23 PM 
  
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 
  Jesus , neither God nor Man
  
  Certainly I think Jesus was born of 
  God, Dean. And I will be glad to address that aspect of his 
  person. But before going there I would like to clearly state that 
  you seem to be making a different argument than Judy's. 
  Andif you are, thenmy question would not apply in the 
  same way to you as it does to her. And so, I would like you 
  tobe sure you are truly affirming the same things as she, 
  before you speak on her behalf. 
  
  From my understanding of Judy's 
  position, shedenies that Jesus was born a flesh-and-blood 
  descendant of David through physical birth to Mary. She believes 
  that God made a special kind of flesh for Jesus and put it in 
  Mary's womb, and that that fleshwas unrelated to fallen

Re: [TruthTalk] Uncleanness come via the woman




So???
Most would not allow Jesus himself into their churches 
to teach even as early as the
2nd Century he was outside knocking on the 
door.

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:18:40 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  FWIW Judy, I'm confident that DM, BT, JD and G 
  would never allow you, given your 'teaching' on TT to teach in their 
  respective churches.No Judy, I'm not worried. Most would have sufficient 
  discernment to see this.
  
From: Judy Taylor 

Are you worried Lance?
Don't you think God can take care of His 
Word? Should we replicate the heresy hunting
of the Patriarchs and try to keep things a bit more 
pure?

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 05:51:17 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  Do you now or, have you recently, TAUGHT THIS 
  IN ANY CHURCH?
  

On 
Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:39:56 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  Bill says that the incarnate Christ was holy because He was God 
  on earth.
  Judy says He was not God on earth and His holiness came from the 
  fact that He 
  had no earthly faither. 
  
  JD when are you going to get a hold of 
  yourself and stop putting words in my mouth?
  The prophecy that the "virgin" would bear a 
  child and his name would be Emmanuel
  go together. Why?? If sin is no 
  big deal and rcc baptism can wash it away in infants
  so easily then why did Fod's Son have to beborn of a 
  virgin?
  
  Apparently her "generational curse" theoryteaches that this 
  curse is continued 
  only through the father.
  
  This is no theory JD; it is spiritual 
  reality. After all it was BY ONE MAN that 
  sin 
  entered this world and death by (or because of) sin.
  
  She ignores Job 25: 4 which says " How then can a man 
  be just before God? 
  Or, how can he be clean who is born of woman?" 
  
  Do you know of any man who wasn't born of a 
  woman JD? Job is just stating
  the obvious along with the fact that ALL men 
  are born unclean because of sin.
  
  "Uncleanness" comes via the Mom just as surely as the 
  father. Houston, we have 
  a problem !! jd
  
  We sure have and I think you and Houston had 
  better seek the Lord for some
  wisdom. He set the standard. He 
  holds the man accountable and He kept His
  ONLY begotten son from the taint of sin by 
  having him born of a virgin woman.
  Imagine that???
  
  -- 
Original message -- From: Judy Taylor 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 



No I most certainly don't Dean; those are 
Bill's words and Bill's concepts. Not mine. What I 
believe is that
he was not born by 
procreation like the rest of us since he had no human 
father. Mary may have
contributed an ovum butthe male 
determines achild's gender and his spiritual inheritance also 
comes by 
way of the 
father (ie the sins of the fathers are visited upon the children) 
and these are some of the reasons
why I can not accept the "orthodox" claim 
that he was exactly the same as us in every way.


On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 06:03:19 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
   cd: Judy is what Bill say in the below true-do you 
  view Christ as being made of a special kindof 
  flesh?
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - 

From: 
Taylor 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/18/2006 10:25:23 PM 

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 
Jesus , neither God nor Man

Certainly I think Jesus was born of 
God, Dean. And I will be glad to address that aspect of his 
person. But before going there I would like to clearly state 
that you seem to be making a different argument than Judy's. 
Andif you are, thenmy question would not apply in 
the same way to you as it does to her. And so, I would like you 
tobe sure you are truly affirming the same things as she, 
before you speak on her behalf. 

From my understanding of Judy's 
position, shedenies that Jesus was born a flesh-and-blood 
descendant of David

Re: [TruthTalk] Uncleanness come via the woman




Judy, hereafter nicknamed 'Jesus', shall 
nonetheless be subject to the same appraisal as was Judy Taylor.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: January 20, 2006 06:30
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Uncleanness come 
  via the woman
  
  So???
  Most would not allow Jesus himself into their 
  churches to teach even as early as the
  2nd Century he was outside knocking on the 
  door.
  
  On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:18:40 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:
  
FWIW Judy, I'm confident that DM, BT, JD and G 
would never allow you, given your 'teaching' on TT to teach in their 
respective churches.No Judy, I'm not worried. Most would have 
sufficient discernment to see this.

  From: Judy Taylor 
  
  Are you worried Lance?
  Don't you think God can take care of His 
  Word? Should we replicate the heresy hunting
  of the Patriarchs and try to keep things a bit 
  more pure?
  
  On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 05:51:17 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  
Do you now or, have you recently, TAUGHT 
THIS IN ANY CHURCH?

  
  On 
  Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:39:56 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  
Bill says that the incarnate Christ was holy because He was God 
on earth.
Judy says He was not God on earth and His holiness came from 
the fact that He 
had no earthly faither. 

JD when are you going to get a hold of 
yourself and stop putting words in my mouth?
The prophecy that the "virgin" would bear a 
child and his name would be Emmanuel
go together. Why?? If sin is no 
big deal and rcc baptism can wash it away in infants
so easily then why did Fod's Son have to beborn of a 
virgin?

Apparently her "generational curse" theoryteaches that 
this curse is continued 
only through the father.

This is no theory JD; it is spiritual 
reality. After all it was BY ONE MAN 
that sin 
entered this world and death by (or because of) sin.

She ignores Job 25: 4 which says " How then can a 
man be just before God? 
Or, how can he be clean who is born of woman?" 

Do you know of any man who wasn't born of a 
woman JD? Job is just stating
the obvious along with the fact that ALL 
men are born unclean because of sin.

"Uncleanness" comes via the Mom just as surely as the 
father. Houston, we have 
a problem !! jd

We sure have and I think you and Houston 
had better seek the Lord for some
wisdom. He set the standard. He 
holds the man accountable and He kept His
ONLY begotten son from the taint of sin by 
having him born of a virgin woman.
Imagine that???

-- 
  Original message -- From: Judy Taylor 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  

  No I most certainly don't Dean; those are 
  Bill's words and Bill's concepts. Not mine. What I 
  believe is that
  he was not born by 
  procreation like the rest of us since he had no human 
  father. Mary may have
  contributed an ovum butthe male 
  determines achild's gender and his spiritual inheritance 
  also comes by 
  way of the 
  father (ie the sins of the fathers are visited upon the children) 
  and these are some of the reasons
  why I can not accept the "orthodox" claim 
  that he was exactly the same as us in every way.
  
  
  On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 06:03:19 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  

 cd: Judy is what Bill say in the below true-do you 
view Christ as being made of a special kindof 
flesh?




  - Original Message - 
  
  From: 
  Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: 1/18/2006 10:25:23 
  PM 
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 
  Jesus , neither God nor Man
  
  Certainly I think Jesus was born

Re: [TruthTalk] Uncleanness come via the woman




So Lance where do you get your anointing as 
"chief appraiser?" It's one that is not listed in all the 
NT

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:35:24 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Judy, hereafter nicknamed 'Jesus', shall 
  nonetheless be subject to the same appraisal as was Judy Taylor.
  
From: Judy Taylor 

So???
Most would not allow Jesus himself into their 
churches to teach even as early as the
2nd Century he was outside knocking on the 
door.

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:18:40 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  FWIW Judy, I'm confident that DM, BT, JD and 
  G would never allow you, given your 'teaching' on TT to teach in their 
  respective churches.No Judy, I'm not worried. Most would have 
  sufficient discernment to see this.
  
From: Judy 
Taylor 

Are you worried Lance?
Don't you think God can take care of His 
Word? Should we replicate the heresy hunting
of the Patriarchs and try to keep things a bit 
more pure?

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 05:51:17 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  Do you now or, have you recently, TAUGHT 
  THIS IN ANY CHURCH?
  

On 
Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:39:56 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  Bill says that the incarnate Christ was holy because He was 
  God on earth.
  Judy says He was not God on earth and His holiness came from 
  the fact that He 
  had no earthly faither. 
  
  JD when are you going to get a hold of 
  yourself and stop putting words in my mouth?
  The prophecy that the "virgin" would bear 
  a child and his name would be Emmanuel
  go together. Why?? If sin is 
  no big deal and rcc baptism can wash it away in 
  infants
  so easily then why did Fod's Son have to beborn of a 
  virgin?
  
  Apparently her "generational curse" theoryteaches that 
  this curse is continued 
  only through the father.
  
  This is no theory JD; it is spiritual 
  reality. After all it was BY ONE MAN 
  that sin 
  entered this world and death by (or because of) sin.
  
  She ignores Job 25: 4 which says " How then can a 
  man be just before God? 
  Or, how can he be clean who is born of woman?" 
  
  Do you know of any man who wasn't born of 
  a woman JD? Job is just stating
  the obvious along with the fact that ALL 
  men are born unclean because of sin.
  
  "Uncleanness" comes via the Mom just as surely as the 
  father. Houston, we have 
  a problem !! jd
  
  We sure have and I think you and Houston 
  had better seek the Lord for some
  wisdom. He set the standard. 
  He holds the man accountable and He kept His
  ONLY begotten son from the taint of sin 
  by having him born of a virgin woman.
  Imagine that???
  
  -- 
Original message -- From: Judy Taylor 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 



No I most certainly don't Dean; those 
are Bill's words and Bill's concepts. Not mine. What 
I believe is that
he was not born by 
procreation like the rest of us since he had no human 
father. Mary may have
contributed an ovum butthe male 
determines achild's gender and his spiritual inheritance 
also comes by 
way of the 
father (ie the sins of the fathers are visited upon the 
children) and these are some of the reasons
why I can not accept the "orthodox" 
claim that he was exactly the same as us in every 
way.


On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 06:03:19 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
   cd: Judy is what Bill say in the below true-do you 
  view Christ as being made of a special kindof 
  flesh?
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - 

From: 
Taylor 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/18/2006

Re: [TruthTalk] Uncleanness come via the woman




You drew a one-for-one comparison between your 
(potential) treatment vis a vis teaching and, that of Jesus. I just noticed it, 
that's all, Judy.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: January 20, 2006 06:39
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Uncleanness come 
  via the woman
  
  So Lance where do you get your anointing as 
  "chief appraiser?" It's one that is not listed in all the 
  NT
  
  On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:35:24 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:
  
Judy, hereafter nicknamed 'Jesus', shall 
nonetheless be subject to the same appraisal as was Judy 
Taylor.

  From: Judy Taylor 
  
  So???
  Most would not allow Jesus himself into their 
  churches to teach even as early as the
  2nd Century he was outside knocking on the 
  door.
  
  On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:18:40 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  
FWIW Judy, I'm confident that DM, BT, JD 
and G would never allow you, given your 'teaching' on TT to teach in 
their respective churches.No Judy, I'm not worried. Most would 
have sufficient discernment to see this.

  From: Judy 
  Taylor 
  
  Are you worried Lance?
  Don't you think God can take care of His 
  Word? Should we replicate the heresy hunting
  of the Patriarchs and try to keep things a 
  bit more pure?
  
  On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 05:51:17 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  
Do you now or, have you recently, 
TAUGHT THIS IN ANY CHURCH?

  
  On 
  Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:39:56 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  
Bill says that the incarnate Christ was holy because He was 
God on earth.
Judy says He was not God on earth and His holiness came 
from the fact that He 
had no earthly faither. 

JD when are you going to get a hold of 
yourself and stop putting words in my mouth?
The prophecy that the "virgin" would 
bear a child and his name would be Emmanuel
go together. Why?? If sin 
is no big deal and rcc baptism can wash it away in 
infants
so easily then why did Fod's Son have to beborn of a 
virgin?

Apparently her "generational curse" theoryteaches 
that this curse is continued 
only through the father.

This is no theory JD; it is spiritual 
reality. After all it was BY ONE 
MAN that sin 
entered this world and death by (or because of) 
sin.

She ignores Job 25: 4 which says " How then can 
a man be just before God? 
Or, how can he be clean who is born of woman?" 

Do you know of any man who wasn't born 
of a woman JD? Job is just stating
the obvious along with the fact that 
ALL men are born unclean because of sin.

"Uncleanness" comes via the Mom just as surely as the 
father. Houston, we have 
a problem !! jd

We sure have and I think you and 
Houston had better seek the Lord for some
wisdom. He set the 
standard. He holds the man accountable and He kept 
His
ONLY begotten son from the taint of sin 
by having him born of a virgin woman.
Imagine that???

-- 
  Original message -- From: Judy Taylor 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  

  No I most certainly don't Dean; those 
  are Bill's words and Bill's concepts. Not mine. 
  What I believe is that
  he was not born by 
  procreation like the rest of us since he had no human 
  father. Mary may have
  contributed an ovum butthe male 
  determines achild's gender and his spiritual inheritance 
  also comes by 
  way of the 
  father (ie the sins of the fathers are visited upon the 
  children) and these are some of the reasons
  why I can not accept the "orthodox"

Re: [TruthTalk] Uncleanness come via the woman

2006-01-20 Thread David Miller

Lance wrote:
 FWIW Judy, I'm confident that DM, BT, JD
 and G would never allow you, given your
 'teaching' on TT to teach in their respective churches.

Your confidence is misplaced in regards to me on this.  Judy is most welcome 
to share such in our church.

David Miller.

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Judy has made it clear - whether she admits it or not -- that I (and Bill and Gary and Lance and ) am not ajoint participant with her in the gospel.

Would she allowed to teach her thougths in a church pastored by yours truly?

In a word -- the confession that "Jesus Christ came in the flesh" is the same truth as "God came in the flesh." The Apostle John makes this confession a critical one - a landmark confession, if you will. Such a confession prohibits the teaching of another gospel ... and this question goes directly to the defining of the "gospel." She would have full fellowship in the assembly - but not as a teacher or one who teachers. She would not be prohibited from sharing her faith on this point, either . unless the sharing became a point of divisiveness within that body or if she continued to teach the point when asked to cease an sharing at all. The deciding factor, here, would be theeffect all this would have on the other participants.

But with Judy, this is not the only difference. There are few similarities between her theology and that of anyone I know. I do not see David's contribution in the same [negative] light. How he gets to point B is often the only point of contention -- as well as whether I am stupid or not.

-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lance wrote: FWIW Judy, I'm confident that DM, BT, JD and G would never allow you, given your 'teaching' on TT to teach in their respective churches. Your confidence is misplaced in regards to me on this. Judy is most welcome to share such in our church. David Miller. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscr
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Re: [TruthTalk] Uncleanness come via the woman

2006-01-20 Thread David Miller

I don't mean to sound insulting, John, but what you write below sounds like 
legalism to me.  I don't know how it is that you cannot see that.

David Miller.

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Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Uncleanness come via the woman

Judy has made it clear  - whether she admits it or not  --  that I (and Bill 
and Gary and Lance and  ) am not a joint participant with her in the 
gospel.

Would she  allowed to teach her thougths in a church pastored by yours 
truly?

In a word --  the confession that   Jesus Christ came in the flesh  is the 
same truth as God came in the flesh.The Apostle John makes this 
confession a critical one  -  a landmark confession, if you will.   Such a 
confession prohibits the teaching of another gospel   ...   and 
this question goes directly to the defining of the gospel.   She would 
have full fellowship in the assembly  -  but not as a teacher or one who 
teachers.   She would not be prohibited from sharing her faith on this 
point, either   .  unless the sharing became a point of 
divisiveness within that body or if she continued to teach the point when 
asked to cease an sharing at all.   The deciding factor, here, would be the 
effect all this would have on the other participants.

But with Judy, this is not the only difference.   There are few similarities 
between her theology and that of anyone I know.  I do not see David's 
contribution in the same [negative] light.  How he gets to point B is often 
the only  point of contention  --  as well as whether I am stupid or not.

jd

-- Original message -- 
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Lance wrote:
  FWIW Judy, I'm confident that DM, BT, JD
  and G would never allow you, given your
  'teaching' on TT to teach in their respective churches.

 Your confidence is misplaced in regards to me on this. Judy is most 
 welcome
 to share such in our church.

 David Miller.

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I think the problem, here, is that yoou consider me to be someone who has no boundaries. Not true, as it turns out.

I would argue with your conclusion as regards me. A true legalist would put Judy on the outside of the Assembly and refuse to let her anywhere near that body of believers.

Let us not forget that your definition of "legalist" and mine are two very different things. Yours makes no disctinction between firmly held beleifs and salvation by works - my definition is only about that circumstance.

-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't mean to sound insulting, John, but what you write below sounds like legalism to me. I don't know how it is that you cannot see that. David Miller. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Uncleanness come via the woman Judy has made it clear - whether she admits it or not -- that I (and Bill and Gary and Lance and ) am not a joint participant with her in the gospel. Would she allowed to teach her thougths in a church pastored by yours truly? In a word -- the confession that "Jesus Christ came in the flesh" is the same
truth as "God came in the flesh." The Apostle John makes this confession a critical one - a landmark confession, if you will. Such a confession prohibits the teaching of another gospel ... and this question goes directly to the defining of the "gospel." She would have full fellowship in the assembly - but not as a teacher or one who teachers. She would not be prohibited from sharing her faith on this point, either . unless the sharing became a point of divisiveness within that body or if she continued to teach the point when asked to cease an sharing at all. The deciding factor, here, would be the effect all this would have on the other participants. But with Judy, this is not the only difference. There are few similarities between her theology and that of anyone I know. I do not see David's contribution in the same [negative] light. How he gets to point B is often the only point
of contention -- as well as whether I am stupid or not. jd -- Original message -- From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lance wrote:FWIW Judy, I'm confident that DM, BT, JDand G would never allow you, given your'teaching' on TT to teach in their respective churches. Your confidence is misplaced in regards to me on this. Judy is most welcome to share such in our church. David Miller. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscr ibed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.

Re: [TruthTalk] Uncleanness come via the woman

Yikes again.
- Original Message - 
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 20, 2006 12:40
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Uncleanness come via the woman

Lance wrote:

FWIW Judy, I'm confident that DM, BT, JD
and G would never allow you, given your
'teaching' on TT to teach in their respective churches.

Your confidence is misplaced in regards to me on this.  Judy is most 
welcome

to share such in our church.

David Miller.

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Re: [TruthTalk] Uncleanness come via the woman


- see my comments below


-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  John wrote:   I think the problem, here, is that yoou consider me   to be someone who has no boundaries.   Actually, just the OPPOSITE. Legalists have boundaries. Yes, but I wasn't talking about legalism, was I ??  John wrote:   Not true, as it turns out.  thatI have "no boundaries."   Yes, this was my point. :-) That I have no boundaries?  John wrote:   I would argue with your conclusion as regards me.   A true legalist would put Judy on the outside of the   Assembly and refuse to let her anywhere near that   body of believers. Let us not forget that your definition   of "legalist" and mine a
re two very different things.   Yours makes no disctinction between firmly held   beleifs and salvation by works -   my definition is only about that circumstance.   You and I may define legalism differently, but what you don't seem to  recognize is that your definition is very much like that of the Pharisees. 
You're right about that !! I don't seem to recognize that. But I do see your ACTIONS as being very much in line withthose of the Pharisees. So much for ad hom v ad hom. Shall we stay on subject or do you really prefer the mud? 

 They did not put people outside the body of Israel for their beliefs. The  Sadduccees were not put out for not believing in spirits, angels, the  resurrection, eternal life, etc. They were simply categorized in the same  way that you would categorize Judy. One important difference, though, is  they did not treat them as second class citizens, forbidding them to teach,  as you would Judy. In other words, (you probably hate me saying this) it  seems to me that you are more legalistic than the Pharisees were. Now  please remember, I do not consider legalism a dirty word. I just see that  you are far more strict than the Pharisees were and yet you don't seem to be  able to see it.
LOL. David, you will dis-allow this, but absolutely no one who knows me, not even my enemies , consider me a legalist. Your reality on this matter is of the same nature as that of a comic book. Seriously. I am not a works salvationist and such is a legalist to me..to the exclusion of any other definition. 
Why can't you just let people like Judy teach all they like  to their own hearts content? Is not the truth strong enough to resonate  with people that they will side with it when you teach? 
Cause I am just a mean and nasty fellow.And I rebel at all those passages in the bible that tell me to let anyone teach anything to anyone else, whether in or out of the Assembly of Saints. Paint me to be the heretic for insisting on the words of the Apostle when he says "youare of God when you proclaim that Jesus Christ camein the flesh -- you are not of God when you deny it." I should have the courage to disagree with the Apostle, but I am just plain .. aahhh .. chicken. 
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