Bill says that the incarnate Christ was holy because He was God
on earth.
Judy says He was not God on earth and His holiness came from
the fact that He
had no earthly faither.
JD when are you going to get a hold of
yourself and stop putting words in my mouth?
The prophecy that the "virgin" would bear a
child and his name would be Emmanuel
go together. Why?? If sin is no
big deal and rcc baptism can wash it away in infants
so easily then why did Fod's Son have to be born of a
virgin?
Apparently her "generational curse" theory teaches that
this curse is continued
only through the father.
This is no theory JD; it is spiritual
reality. After all it was BY ONE MAN
that sin
entered this world and death by (or because of) sin.
She ignores Job 25: 4 which says " How then can a
man be just before God?
Or, how can he be clean who is born of woman?"
Do you know of any man who wasn't born of a
woman JD? Job is just stating
the obvious along with the fact that ALL
men are born unclean because of sin.
"Uncleanness" comes via the Mom just as surely as the
father. Houston, we have
a problem !! jd
We sure have and I think you and Houston
had better seek the Lord for some
wisdom. He set the standard. He
holds the man accountable and He kept His
ONLY begotten son from the taint of sin by
having him born of a virgin woman.
Imagine that???
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From: Judy Taylor
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No I most certainly don't Dean; those are
Bill's words and Bill's concepts. Not mine. What I
believe is that
he was not born by
procreation like the rest of us since he had no human
father. Mary may have
contributed an ovum but the male
determines a child's gender and his spiritual inheritance
also comes by
way of the
father (ie the sins of the fathers are visited upon the children)
and these are some of the reasons
why I can not accept the "orthodox" claim
that he was exactly the same as us in every way.
cd: Judy is what Bill say in the below true-do you
view Christ as being made of a special kind of
flesh?
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Sent: 1/18/2006 10:25:23
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Jesus , neither God nor Man
Certainly I think Jesus was born
of God, Dean. And I will be glad to address that aspect of his
person. But before going there I would like to clearly state
that you seem to be making a different argument than Judy's.
And if you are, then my question would not apply in
the same way to you as it does to her. And so, I would like
you to be sure you are truly affirming the same things as
she, before you speak on her behalf.
From my understanding of Judy's
position, she denies that Jesus was born a
flesh-and-blood descendant of David through physical birth to
Mary. She believes that God made a special kind of flesh
for Jesus and put it in Mary's womb, and that that
flesh was unrelated to fallen humankind, being only
"similar" to that of us. That is, she believes Jesus' flesh
was like Adam's before he fell. Hence because of her beliefs,
Judy cannot affirm the teaching that Jesus is a physical
descendant of Adam, and that he is the physical Seed
of Abraham and the physical Seed of David, all according
to the flesh.
You, on the other hand, write
that you are not denying the biblical teaching that Jesus was
the Seed of David according to the flesh and that he
was born of David's flesh and blood. You appear to be
affirming the truth that Jesus' humanity came from the fruit
of David's "genitals" (Friberg) according to the
flesh. In short, you seem to believe that Jesus really was
David's "offspring."
Dean, that is a different
position all-together from Judy's. My question for you is, did
you realize what you were affirming when answering my
question?
Bill