Re: [TruthTalk] Informal Poll

2003-03-21 Thread GJTabor
There is a time to give a soft answer.  There is a time to rebuke. 2 Tim. 3:16-17.

How a man of God speaks to others often depends upon how worthy the receivers are to receive.
1 Cor. 4:21.

 Certainly not Iz.  Christians know that a soft answer turns away wrath.
Terry




Re: [TruthTalk] Informal Poll

2003-03-21 Thread Terry Clifton






 Certainly not Iz.  Christians know that a soft answer turns away wrath.
Terry
Terry, Perhaps you are being facetious, but I think you are right. But if anyone on TT thinks they have a corner on the whole truth, and being right, and totally correct doctrine, and are the only one who can read the Bible correctly, well…I guess they would be jumping up and down and yelling at everyone else, and accusing them of all sorts of heresies.  Certainly no one would do such a thing! J Izzy
 







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Re: [TruthTalk] Informal Poll

2003-03-21 Thread GJTabor
Izzy, you have just described below Slade who whoever the Pharisee is.

Terry, Perhaps you are being facetious, but I think you are right. But if anyone on TT thinks they have a corner on the whole truth, and being right, and totally correct doctrine, and are the only one who can read the Bible correctly, well…I guess they would be jumping up and down and yelling at everyone else, and accusing them of all sorts of heresies.  Certainly no one would do such a thing! J Izzy

 






RE: [TruthTalk] Informal Poll

2003-03-21 Thread ShieldsFamily








Terry, Perhaps you are being facetious, but I think you are
right. But if anyone on TT thinks they have a corner on the whole truth, and
being right, and totally correct doctrine, and are the only one who can read
the Bible correctly, well…I guess they would be jumping up and down and
yelling at everyone else, and accusing them of all sorts of heresies. 
Certainly no one would do such a thing! J Izzy

 

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  An excellent question Perry.  I am certain that all
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  Has anyone on truthtalk ever changed their point of view or doctrine because 
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Re: [TruthTalk] Informal Poll

2003-03-21 Thread Terry Clifton






An excellent question Perry.  I am certain that all of us open minded 
 brothers and sisters would change in a minute if we ever saw an
 error in our thinking.
 
Terry 
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Re: [TruthTalk] Informal Poll

2003-03-21 Thread GJTabor
Izzy, You have shown me you a hateful attitude toward those who clearly show your Saturday keeping a false lie hatched out of hell.
Perry,

I have changed my mind about at least a couple of things due to TT:

1) I used to believe that faith in Jesus plus nothing else = salvation.  But
the intolerant, arrogant, and even hateful attitude of those with that
belief has taught me that just "believing" without love and obedience = talk
without the walk. Not a real salvation, just a head knowledge. Even the
devils "believe"!

2) I used to believe what I was always taught, which was "No one is perfect.
We will always be sinners saved by grace. There is no hope to stop sinning
completely." Thanks to David M. I now believe that we should see that as a
lie of the devil, and make it our aim to accept nothing but a sinless life
by His grace.  He died not only to Forgive our sins, but to set us Free from
sinning! It requires faith for both.

I've probably changed some other ideas, but I can't think what right now.
Perhaps I've grown more tolerant of Aardvarks?

Izzy




RE: [TruthTalk] Informal Poll

2003-03-21 Thread ShieldsFamily
Perry,

I have changed my mind about at least a couple of things due to TT:

1) I used to believe that faith in Jesus plus nothing else = salvation.  But
the intolerant, arrogant, and even hateful attitude of those with that
belief has taught me that just "believing" without love and obedience = talk
without the walk. Not a real salvation, just a head knowledge. Even the
devils "believe"!

2) I used to believe what I was always taught, which was "No one is perfect.
We will always be sinners saved by grace. There is no hope to stop sinning
completely." Thanks to David M. I now believe that we should see that as a
lie of the devil, and make it our aim to accept nothing but a sinless life
by His grace.  He died not only to Forgive our sins, but to set us Free from
sinning! It requires faith for both.

I've probably changed some other ideas, but I can't think what right now.
Perhaps I've grown more tolerant of Aardvarks?

Izzy

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AN INFORMAL POLL:

Has anyone on truthtalk ever changed their point of view or doctrine because

of arguments presented on truth talk by other members?

Perry





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Re: [TruthTalk] Informal Poll

2003-03-21 Thread GJTabor
ROFL Times 666.  You would make a good Church of Christ member.



2)  When I first joined TruthTalk, I use to believe that we were saved
by faith alone, but because of discussions here on TruthTalk, I have
changed my viewpoint to see that Scripture does not teach this.  




Re: [TruthTalk] Informal Poll

2003-03-21 Thread GJTabor
Yes, I have.

AN INFORMAL POLL:
> 
> Has anyone on truthtalk ever changed their point of view or doctrine 
> because  of arguments presented on truth talk by other members?
> 
> Perry




RE: [TruthTalk] Informal Poll

2003-03-21 Thread David Miller
Perry wrote:
> Has anyone on truthtalk ever changed their 
> point of view or doctrine because of arguments 
> presented on truth talk by other members?

Hi Perry.

I've had several views change because of TruthTalk.  For example:

1) I was very ignorant of Mormonism and didn't really have an informed
viewpoint about their religious structure.  I use to consider them a
polytheistic cult to be avoided when I first joined TruthTalk.  Because
of the discussions here, I now realize that Mormons are Christians, that
they profess a sincere faith in Jesus Christ, and that their concept of
the Godhead, while missing the mark, is not as far from the idea of the
Trinity that I had once thought.  When I explained the idea of the
Trinity to one TruthTalk member (Jeff), he said that if that was in fact
the Trinity, then he believed it.  So TruthTalk has caused me to
understand that Mormons have been taught wrongly about what the Trinity
doctrine is.  Also, I was somewhat open to Joseph Smith being a true
prophetic figure prior to TruthTalk, but because of discussions here and
the study it motivated me to do, my mind has changed to understand
better than ever that Joseph Smith was a false prophet, that the Book of
Mormon and Pearl of Great Price is a fraud, and numerous other things
that I don't have time to mention right now.

2)  When I first joined TruthTalk, I use to believe that we were saved
by faith alone, but because of discussions here on TruthTalk, I have
changed my viewpoint to see that Scripture does not teach this.  

3)  I use to think Street Preachers were bold and more in the will of
God than most, until some of my street preacher friends started
participating on TruthTalk.  I saw through their exchanges with Glenn
and others that they could not shift gears and distinguish well between
those with a sincere faith in Christ and those in rebellion against God.
I also saw that in a calm forum where there was time to develop
dialogue, that they could not properly present many of their views.
Eventually, I think most every street preacher who has joined this list
has left.  So my view about street preachers has changed quite a bit.  I
still preach on the street myself, and I still join with many of these
guys to challenge our society, but in my eyes, they now are truly simply
another group of ministers and not on the pedestal that I once put them
on.  

4)  I was at one time open to the idea that killing abortion doctors
might be justifiable, to prevent further abortions, but through
discussions of this on TruthTalk, my mind has become entrenched against
the idea.

I'm sure that there are many other ways in which my mind has changed.
There were a few times where I changed my point of view immediately
based upon an argument that someone made, but right now, I can't think
of what those views were.  

Peace be with you.
David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida.

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Re: [TruthTalk] Informal Poll

2003-03-21 Thread ttxpress




yep--Perry, I used to think jonbenet ramsey was wisked 
away by her family till we learned what happened to elizabeth 
smart
 
On Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:54:15 + 
"Charles P. Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:> > AN INFORMAL POLL:> > Has 
anyone on truthtalk ever changed their point of view or doctrine > 
because  of arguments presented on truth talk by other 
members?> > Perry