Re: [TruthTalk] America in the Bible
In a message dated 7/20/2004 8:43:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Heck with that: the St. Louis Cardinals are blowing everyone out of the water!! Forget the NFL! Izzy Something I have always thought to be mildly rewarding is to develope a prophetical theological statement along the lines of premil, only tie all the biblical numbers and visions to the NFL. Anyone want to bet that I could make it all fit? Rev, J Smithson Lady -- you haven't been following the Dodgers -- 18 of their last 22 games -- hot hot hot. Dodger John
Re: [TruthTalk] America in the Bible
\o/ !HALALU Yah! \o/ Greetings in the Matchless Name of YahShua ! Enjoy your evening jds. Ahava b' YahShua (Love in The SAVIOUR) Baruch YHVH, (Bless The LORD) Chris Barr a servant of YHVH - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07/21/2004 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] America in the Bible TTer's unite!!! Chris Barr is obviously thinking he is actually included in this forum of strangers and friends. Good deal. It may surprise the Barr man but Smithson here is spending the evening with a floppy in the old lap top, watching the boob tube with my sweetie and reading his several posts. The format of same has me thinking that they might be of some import. But I will let you all know for sure when the morning light comes round. jdsIn a message dated 7/20/2004 10:09:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lance: When it comes to Monty Python ... well ... I looove it. I'm more partial to "The Argument Clinic" than the 'dead parrot sketch' (although that is excellent). It is no small booboo for you not to see the clear geography and nomenclature that IDs Russia in Scripture but I would be hot and bothered if I let that bother me with the temperatures 'round here (nod's as good as a wink, eh?) Mostly you just make me laugh. My speaking is exactly for those with a discerning eye and ear i.e. for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear what The Ruach ha Kadosh (The Holy Spirit) saith. As to converts ... not my thang ... I'm a recruiter for The Kingdom of YHVH ... it's only for a few good men (women, too!). Tally Ho and Semper Fi! P.S. I thought 'Life of Brian' was GREAT! All its religious protesters missed the whole point and only revealed themselves as exactly those that the movie was about!
Re: [TruthTalk] America in the Bible
TTer's unite!!! Chris Barr is obviously thinking he is actually included in this forum of strangers and friends. Good deal. It may surprise the Barr man but Smithson here is spending the evening with a floppy in the old lap top, watching the boob tube with my sweetie and reading his several posts. The format of same has me thinking that they might be of some import. But I will let you all know for sure when the morning light comes round. jds In a message dated 7/20/2004 10:09:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lance: When it comes to Monty Python ... well ... I looove it. I'm more partial to "The Argument Clinic" than the 'dead parrot sketch' (although that is excellent). It is no small booboo for you not to see the clear geography and nomenclature that IDs Russia in Scripture but I would be hot and bothered if I let that bother me with the temperatures 'round here (nod's as good as a wink, eh?) Mostly you just make me laugh. My speaking is exactly for those with a discerning eye and ear i.e. for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear what The Ruach ha Kadosh (The Holy Spirit) saith. As to converts ... not my thang ... I'm a recruiter for The Kingdom of YHVH ... it's only for a few good men (women, too!). Tally Ho and Semper Fi! P.S. I thought 'Life of Brian' was GREAT! All its religious protesters missed the whole point and only revealed themselves as exactly those that the movie was about!
Re: [TruthTalk] America in the Bible
Reverend:Anyone with a 'prophetical theological' bent (A N Y O N E) is in need of shrink(ology).JNDarby & Wm Miller have a lot to answer for. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 20, 2004 23:43 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] America in the Bible Heck with that: the St. Louis Cardinals are blowing everyone out of the water!! Forget the NFL! IzzySomething I have always thought to be mildly rewarding is to develope a prophetical theological statement along the lines of premil, only tie all the biblical numbers and visions to the NFL. Anyone want to bet that I could make it all fit? Rev, J Smithson
RE: [TruthTalk] America in the Bible
Heck with that: the St. Louis Cardinals are blowing everyone out of the water!! Forget the NFL! Izzy Something I have always thought to be mildly rewarding is to develope a prophetical theological statement along the lines of premil, only tie all the biblical numbers and visions to the NFL. Anyone want to bet that I could make it all fit? Rev, J Smithson
Re: [TruthTalk] America in the Bible
In a message dated 7/20/2004 1:11:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree, Lance. Many prophecy peddlers use current geography to influence their understanding of text written within historical context. Keep up the good discernment. -- slade -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, 20 July, 2004 12:39 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] America in the Bible Any guy familiar with the 'dead parrot sketch' is smarter than your average 'bear' (pun intended). Seriously, it does bother me when people who influence others (read yourself) though not 'blind to some of what is there to see' also see what isn't there. (read Russia in the Bible) One hopes that those who attend to your speaking have as much discernment as the one returning the parrot. Something I have always thought to be mildly rewarding is to develope a prophetical theological statement along the lines of premil, only tie all the biblical numbers and visions to the NFL. Anyone want to bet that I could make it all fit? Rev, J Smithson
RE: [TruthTalk] America in the Bible
I agree, Lance. Many prophecy peddlers use current geography to influence their understanding of text written within historical context. Keep up the good discernment. -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Tuesday, 20 July, 2004 12:39To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] America in the Bible Any guy familiar with the 'dead parrot sketch' is smarter than your average 'bear' (pun intended). Seriously, it does bother me when people who influence others (read yourself) though not 'blind to some of what is there to see' also see what isn't there. (read Russia in the Bible) One hopes that those who attend to your speaking have as much discernment as the one returning the parrot.
Re: [TruthTalk] America in the Bible
Lance: When it comes to Monty Python ...
well ... I looove it. I'm more partial to "The Argument Clinic" than the
'dead parrot sketch' (although that is excellent). It is no small booboo
for you not to see the clear geography and nomenclature that IDs Russia in
Scripture but I would be hot and bothered if I let that bother me with the
temperatures 'round here (nod's as good as a wink, eh?) Mostly you just
make me laugh. My speaking is exactly for those with a discerning eye and
ear i.e. for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear what The Ruach ha
Kadosh (The Holy Spirit) saith. As to converts ... not my thang ... I'm a
recruiter for The Kingdom of YHVH ... it's
only for a few good men (women, too!). Tally Ho and Semper
Fi!
P.S. I thought 'Life of Brian' was
GREAT! All its religious protesters missed the whole point and only
revealed themselves as exactly those that the movie was about!
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 07/20/2004 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] America in the
Bible
Chris:Any guy familiar with the 'dead parrot
sketch' is smarter than your average 'bear' (pun intended). Seriously, it does
bother me when people who influence others (read yourself) though not 'blind
to some of what is there to see' also see what isn't there. (read Russia in
the Bible) One hopes that those who attend to your speaking have as much
discernment as the one returning the parrot.
- Original Message -
From:
Chris Barr
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: July 20, 2004 12:33
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] America in the
Bible
\o/
!HALALU Yah!
\o/
Greetings in the Matchless Name of
YahShua
!
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
Sent: 07/20/2004 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] America in the
Bible
Chris, Chris, Chris:That dog won't hunt! Russia
ain't in the Bible either. If you want to 'play' with Scripture then, enjoy
yourself.
Lance: Just one of me here ... though
id'd as Christ by the leading TT trinitarian I am still only one even as The
Almighty is only one. As to Scripture ... well ... I work hard at it
but I also LOVE my work AND have fun with it! As to your observation
of my observation ... there is none so blind as those that will not to
see.
Ahava b'
YahShua
(Love in The
SAVIOUR)
Baruch
YHVH,
(Bless The
LORD)
Chris Barr
a servant of
YHVH
- Original Message -
From:
Chris Barr
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: July 20, 2004 10:00
Subject: [TruthTalk] America in the
Bible
\o/ !HALALU Yah! \o/
Greetings in the Matchless Name of YahShua !
- Original Message -
From:
Lance
Muir
Sent: 07/20/2004 4:50 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Gay
Marriage Roll Call Vote
There are no references to America in the
Bible.
Hmmm ...
EZEKIEL 38 speaks first of all of the Russian Bear. It also speaks
of others in alliance with the Russian Bear.Verse 8 shows the
context of time, "After many days ... in the latter years". This speaks
of a future time from that of Ezekiel that has yet to be fulfilled. Are
these times "the latter years"? Does this speak of OUR TIME?
Verse 8 also shows the Russian Bear with its alliances coming to
a particular land. This land is "brought back from the sword". This land
is "gathered out of many people". This land is identified as "the
mountains of Israel which have been ALWAYS waste but it is brought forth
out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them". Is
this land of Israel the same as that of Palestine?
In verse 9 YahVeh speaks to/of the Russian Bear with its
alliances, "Thou shalt ASCEND and come like a storm". It does not say
DESCEND as south into Israel in Palestine. Scripture says ASCEND as in
north to ??
Verse 9 says to/of the Russian Bear with its alliances, "... thou
shalt be like a cloud to cover the land" as in an aerial transport of an
overwhelming army, or perhaps a hail of missiles, or possibly even a
literal "mushroom cloud"! Verse 9 says to/of the Russian Bear
with
Re: [TruthTalk] America in the Bible
Chris:Any guy familiar with the 'dead parrot sketch' is smarter than your average 'bear' (pun intended). Seriously, it does bother me when people who influence others (read yourself) though not 'blind to some of what is there to see' also see what isn't there. (read Russia in the Bible) One hopes that those who attend to your speaking have as much discernment as the one returning the parrot. - Original Message - From: Chris Barr To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 20, 2004 12:33 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] America in the Bible \o/ !HALALU Yah! \o/ Greetings in the Matchless Name of YahShua ! - Original Message - From: Lance Muir Sent: 07/20/2004 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] America in the Bible Chris, Chris, Chris:That dog won't hunt! Russia ain't in the Bible either. If you want to 'play' with Scripture then, enjoy yourself. Lance: Just one of me here ... though id'd as Christ by the leading TT trinitarian I am still only one even as The Almighty is only one. As to Scripture ... well ... I work hard at it but I also LOVE my work AND have fun with it! As to your observation of my observation ... there is none so blind as those that will not to see. Ahava b' YahShua (Love in The SAVIOUR) Baruch YHVH, (Bless The LORD) Chris Barr a servant of YHVH - Original Message - From: Chris Barr To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 20, 2004 10:00 Subject: [TruthTalk] America in the Bible \o/ !HALALU Yah! \o/ Greetings in the Matchless Name of YahShua ! - Original Message - From: Lance Muir Sent: 07/20/2004 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Gay Marriage Roll Call Vote There are no references to America in the Bible. Hmmm ... EZEKIEL 38 speaks first of all of the Russian Bear. It also speaks of others in alliance with the Russian Bear.Verse 8 shows the context of time, "After many days ... in the latter years". This speaks of a future time from that of Ezekiel that has yet to be fulfilled. Are these times "the latter years"? Does this speak of OUR TIME? Verse 8 also shows the Russian Bear with its alliances coming to a particular land. This land is "brought back from the sword". This land is "gathered out of many people". This land is identified as "the mountains of Israel which have been ALWAYS waste but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them". Is this land of Israel the same as that of Palestine? In verse 9 YahVeh speaks to/of the Russian Bear with its alliances, "Thou shalt ASCEND and come like a storm". It does not say DESCEND as south into Israel in Palestine. Scripture says ASCEND as in north to ?? Verse 9 says to/of the Russian Bear with its alliances, "... thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land" as in an aerial transport of an overwhelming army, or perhaps a hail of missiles, or possibly even a literal "mushroom cloud"! Verse 9 says to/of the Russian Bear with its alliances, "... thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee".Is there another "Israel" than that land commonly identified as Israel that is also a most hated and despised nation? Is verse 11 an even clearer continuation that Ezekiel 38 could NOT be about Israel in the land of Palestine? Verse 11 says to/of the Russian Bear with its alliances, "... thou shalt say, 'I will GO UP' ..." as in north. It does not say GO DOWN to Israel as in Palestine. Verse 11 reveals the thoughts of the Russian Bear, "... to the land of unwalled villages ...". The land of Israel in Palestine today is a land of VILLAGES that are WALLED. Verse 11 reveals further the thoughts of the Russian Bear, "... I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls ...". The land of Israel in Palestine today is a land of VILLAGES that are on constant and heightened alert and that do NOT "dwell safely", neither can it be said of those that dwell in Palestine that they are "of them dwelling without walls ..."! Verse 12 reveals the purpose and desire of the Russian Bear with its alliances, "To take a spoil". Once again, take note of Israel in Palestine today, its land and the co
Re: [TruthTalk] America in the Bible
\o/ !HALALU Yah! \o/ Greetings in the Matchless Name of YahShua ! - Original Message - From: Lance Muir Sent: 07/20/2004 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] America in the Bible Chris, Chris, Chris:That dog won't hunt! Russia ain't in the Bible either. If you want to 'play' with Scripture then, enjoy yourself. Lance: Just one of me here ... though id'd as Christ by the leading TT trinitarian I am still only one even as The Almighty is only one. As to Scripture ... well ... I work hard at it but I also LOVE my work AND have fun with it! As to your observation of my observation ... there is none so blind as those that will not to see. Ahava b' YahShua (Love in The SAVIOUR) Baruch YHVH, (Bless The LORD) Chris Barr a servant of YHVH - Original Message - From: Chris Barr To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 20, 2004 10:00 Subject: [TruthTalk] America in the Bible \o/ !HALALU Yah! \o/ Greetings in the Matchless Name of YahShua ! - Original Message - From: Lance Muir Sent: 07/20/2004 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Gay Marriage Roll Call Vote There are no references to America in the Bible. Hmmm ... EZEKIEL 38 speaks first of all of the Russian Bear. It also speaks of others in alliance with the Russian Bear.Verse 8 shows the context of time, "After many days ... in the latter years". This speaks of a future time from that of Ezekiel that has yet to be fulfilled. Are these times "the latter years"? Does this speak of OUR TIME? Verse 8 also shows the Russian Bear with its alliances coming to a particular land. This land is "brought back from the sword". This land is "gathered out of many people". This land is identified as "the mountains of Israel which have been ALWAYS waste but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them". Is this land of Israel the same as that of Palestine? In verse 9 YahVeh speaks to/of the Russian Bear with its alliances, "Thou shalt ASCEND and come like a storm". It does not say DESCEND as south into Israel in Palestine. Scripture says ASCEND as in north to ?? Verse 9 says to/of the Russian Bear with its alliances, "... thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land" as in an aerial transport of an overwhelming army, or perhaps a hail of missiles, or possibly even a literal "mushroom cloud"! Verse 9 says to/of the Russian Bear with its alliances, "... thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee".Is there another "Israel" than that land commonly identified as Israel that is also a most hated and despised nation? Is verse 11 an even clearer continuation that Ezekiel 38 could NOT be about Israel in the land of Palestine? Verse 11 says to/of the Russian Bear with its alliances, "... thou shalt say, 'I will GO UP' ..." as in north. It does not say GO DOWN to Israel as in Palestine. Verse 11 reveals the thoughts of the Russian Bear, "... to the land of unwalled villages ...". The land of Israel in Palestine today is a land of VILLAGES that are WALLED. Verse 11 reveals further the thoughts of the Russian Bear, "... I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls ...". The land of Israel in Palestine today is a land of VILLAGES that are on constant and heightened alert and that do NOT "dwell safely", neither can it be said of those that dwell in Palestine that they are "of them dwelling without walls ..."! Verse 12 reveals the purpose and desire of the Russian Bear with its alliances, "To take a spoil". Once again, take note of Israel in Palestine today, its land and the condition thereof. What "spoil" would be taken from there? Verse 12 reveals yet again the identity of where the attack is to be upon, "... to turn thine hand UPON THE DESOLATE PLACES ..." - - at the time that Ezekiel is writing - - "... that are now inhabited ..." - - as to the future date according to the earlier portion Ezekiel wrote in this chapter of "the latter days". Verse 12 further reveals the purpose and desire of the Russian Bear, "... to have gotten CATTLE and GOODS that DWELL IN THE MIDST OF THE LAND". Does this apply to Israel in the land of Israel in Palestine? Has Ezekiel 38 been generally misinterpreted? Review again this chapter beginning with verse 9 as noted above. In verse 9 YahVeh speaks to/of the Russian Bear with its
Re: [TruthTalk] America in the Bible
Chris, Chris, Chris:That dog won't hunt! Russia ain't in the Bible either. If you want to 'play' with Scripture then, enjoy yourself. - Original Message - From: Chris Barr To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 20, 2004 10:00 Subject: [TruthTalk] America in the Bible \o/ !HALALU Yah! \o/ Greetings in the Matchless Name of YahShua ! - Original Message - From: Lance Muir Sent: 07/20/2004 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Gay Marriage Roll Call Vote There are no references to America in the Bible. Hmmm ... EZEKIEL 38 speaks first of all of the Russian Bear. It also speaks of others in alliance with the Russian Bear.Verse 8 shows the context of time, "After many days ... in the latter years". This speaks of a future time from that of Ezekiel that has yet to be fulfilled. Are these times "the latter years"? Does this speak of OUR TIME? Verse 8 also shows the Russian Bear with its alliances coming to a particular land. This land is "brought back from the sword". This land is "gathered out of many people". This land is identified as "the mountains of Israel which have been ALWAYS waste but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them". Is this land of Israel the same as that of Palestine? In verse 9 YahVeh speaks to/of the Russian Bear with its alliances, "Thou shalt ASCEND and come like a storm". It does not say DESCEND as south into Israel in Palestine. Scripture says ASCEND as in north to ?? Verse 9 says to/of the Russian Bear with its alliances, "... thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land" as in an aerial transport of an overwhelming army, or perhaps a hail of missiles, or possibly even a literal "mushroom cloud"! Verse 9 says to/of the Russian Bear with its alliances, "... thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee".Is there another "Israel" than that land commonly identified as Israel that is also a most hated and despised nation? Is verse 11 an even clearer continuation that Ezekiel 38 could NOT be about Israel in the land of Palestine? Verse 11 says to/of the Russian Bear with its alliances, "... thou shalt say, 'I will GO UP' ..." as in north. It does not say GO DOWN to Israel as in Palestine. Verse 11 reveals the thoughts of the Russian Bear, "... to the land of unwalled villages ...". The land of Israel in Palestine today is a land of VILLAGES that are WALLED. Verse 11 reveals further the thoughts of the Russian Bear, "... I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls ...". The land of Israel in Palestine today is a land of VILLAGES that are on constant and heightened alert and that do NOT "dwell safely", neither can it be said of those that dwell in Palestine that they are "of them dwelling without walls ..."! Verse 12 reveals the purpose and desire of the Russian Bear with its alliances, "To take a spoil". Once again, take note of Israel in Palestine today, its land and the condition thereof. What "spoil" would be taken from there? Verse 12 reveals yet again the identity of where the attack is to be upon, "... to turn thine hand UPON THE DESOLATE PLACES ..." - - at the time that Ezekiel is writing - - "... that are now inhabited ..." - - as to the future date according to the earlier portion Ezekiel wrote in this chapter of "the latter days". Verse 12 further reveals the purpose and desire of the Russian Bear, "... to have gotten CATTLE and GOODS that DWELL IN THE MIDST OF THE LAND". Does this apply to Israel in the land of Israel in Palestine? Has Ezekiel 38 been generally misinterpreted? Review again this chapter beginning with verse 9 as noted above. In verse 9 YahVeh speaks to/of the Russian Bear with its alliances, "Thou shalt ASCEND and come like a storm". It does not say DESCEND as south into Israel in Palestine. Scripture says ASCEND as in north ... over the polar ice cap with its SHORTER and more PROTECTED from radar route to America as Israel EXTENDED! Verse 9 says to/of the Russian Bear with its alliances, "... thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land" as in an aerial transport of an overwhelming army, or perhaps a hail of missiles ... or possibly even a literal "mushroom cloud"! Verse 9 says to/of the Russian Bear with its alliances, "... thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee".America as Israel EXTENDED is a most hated and despised nation. She is taken advantage of, not truly loved, nor is she respected. Many (?most?) will join with the Russian Bear against America as Israel EXTENDED. Is verse 11 an even clearer continuation that Ezekiel 38 is about America as Israel EXTENDED? Verse 11 says to/of the Russian Bear with its alliances, "... thou shalt say, 'I will GO UP' ..." as in north over the polar ice c
