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Algorithm Education in Python http://www.ece.uci.edu/~chou/py02/python.html This article from Pai H. Chou at University of California, Irvine shows how well the Python programming language maps itself to the pseudocode used in _Introduction to Algorithms Second Editon_ [Corman, Leiserson, Rivest, Stein. 2001. McGraw-Hill. ISBN 0262032937]. Excerpt from the article: quote 7. Conclusions and Future Educational Plans This paper reports our use of Python in an algorithms course in the past two years. As an algorithm-oriented language, Python enables our students to learn key concepts in algorithm design, instead of struggling with low-level, idiosyncratic features of conventional programming languages. The way Python handles data types represents a perfect match with the way textbooks present algorithms, and its interpretive nature encourages students to experiment with the language. /quote I have a copy of Corman, and it really is amazing how Python all the pseudocode is! On Nov 8, 2007 6:01 PM, Danyelle Gragsone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is why I am going for programming instead of just CS. I am a very hands on person.. although I know theory is good.. I just think it needs to be evened out a bit :D. ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor -- b h a a l u u at g m a i l dot c o m http://www.geocities.com/ek.bhaaluu/python/index.html ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
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wesley chun wrote: michael's and david's book spends a bit more time introducing the concepts of OOP/OOD more carefully and more though If it had been half the price I'd have bought it for a strong exposition of OO principles in Python. However at less than 700pp and c. £54 in the UK it won't be added to my bookshelf. most aspects of the selling of a book (including its cover price) is almost -always out of the control of the author(s). I wasn't necessarily accusing the authors of anything, how could I? I expect marketing thought they'd get more money this way. As a previous poster said it's probably priced for academic use. I also realise the cost of producing books etc If I were allocating books for students I would still spare them the exorbitant cost of this and recommend one or both of the other books. They could even get 'Core' + 'Programming'(Lutz), over 2000 quality pages for less then the price of this. And I'm quite sure any educational establishment worthy of the name would bridge any gaps. No disrespect to the authors or for what may be an excellent book but not for me. And I think it's a shame - if it specialised in the OOP aspects - at half the price it would have been a worthy addition to the beginners' library. Just my opinion Eddie ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
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It look great.. but being a student I can't afford such a high priced item. I guess I will have to wait for the used copies to show up on amazon :). Danyelle ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
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Danyelle Gragsone wrote: It look great.. but being a student I can't afford such a high priced item. I guess I will have to wait for the used copies to show up on amazon :). FWIW this book is available to anyone with a .edu email address for $71.53 plus shipping, from http://www.a1books.com/cgi-bin/mktSearch?act=showDescitemcode=0136150314 A little more ($75.29) without a .edu email but still the best price found by BestBookDeal: http://www.bestbookdeal.com/book/compare/0136150314/ Kent ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
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I wonder what schools offer python as a course. Sadly all the colleges here offer only perl. :( ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
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On Thursday November 8, 2007, bhaaluu wrote: I asked if the source code for the textbook is available for download? One of the best ways to judge the quality of a textbook is by the example source code. I also asked if a sample chapter was available to read? Sometimes an author's writing style just doesn't click (too bad for students who HAVE TO buy the textbook for a class -- then they have to suffer through it). But for others, studying on their own, being able to read a sample chapter and look at the example source code might be the stimulus to buy the book (even at $102/$71.53/$whatever). OTOH, having a look at the example source, and a sample chapter might be a good enough reason not to touch the book with a 10 foot pole! It can go either way Thats a great idea. I'll contact our publisher today so that we can get full source code from the entire book up on their website. I'm not sure of their willingness for a sample chapter, but will ask about that as well. With regard, Michael +---+ | Michael Goldwasser| | Associate Professor | | Dept. Mathematics and Computer Science| | Saint Louis University| | 220 North Grand Blvd. | | St. Louis, MO 63103-2007 | | | | Office: Ritter Hall 6 | | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | URL:euler.slu.edu/~goldwasser | | Phone: (314) 977-7039| | Fax:(314) 977-1452| +---+ ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
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Michael H. Goldwasser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote to suffer through it). But for others, studying on their own, being able to read a sample chapter and look at the example source code might be the stimulus to buy the book Thats a great idea. I'll contact our publisher today so that we can get full source code from the entire book up on their website. I'm not sure of their willingness for a sample chapter, but will ask about that as well. Its not an unusual thing - the Amazon Look Inside logo is widely used and is usually more helpful than a hindrance in getting sales. In fact the ideal for you is probably to try to get them to put the sample chapter on Amazon because more folks will look there than on the publisher's own web site! If they are going to rely purely on academic sales then that will greatly reduce their marketplace (and your royalties!) -- Alan Gauld Author of the Learn to Program web site http://www.freenetpages.co.uk/hp/alan.gauld ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
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This is why I am going for programming instead of just CS. I am a very hands on person.. although I know theory is good.. I just think it needs to be evened out a bit :D. ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
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Chris Calloway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote teach languages. Teaching languages is frowned upon in some computer science departments under the logic that if you belong in a computer science class, you'd better show up for class already knowing something as easy to grasp as an implementation language. I don't like CS courses to focus on a language either, but neither do I think we should expect students to already know one. But learning a computer language should be a trivial exercise once you understand the CS concepts of algorithms and data and I/O etc. One of the worst things I find as an employer is the number of CS grads I get to interview who insist they only know one language. I wonder what they learned at college. That's like an electronics engineer saying he only knows how to solder, or a civil engineer who only knows how to lay bricks! A CS course should concentrate on principles and theory and learning languages should be a practical detail that the student does almost by osmosis. And this is, of course, why my tutorial teaches three languages not just python ;-) -- Alan Gauld Author of the Learn to Program web site http://www.freenetpages.co.uk/hp/alan.gauld ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
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I wonder what schools offer python as a course. Sadly all the colleges here offer only perl. Danyelle's question brings up an issue i have, and that is that courses in colleges are typically computer science courses, at least at the university level. there really aren't any programming language courses, or at least, not when i was in college. a regular CS course is where you learn the fundamentals but then implement your projects/homework in a chosen language (or 2), such as Java and Scheme. courses that *do* teach specific languages are usually electives and not part of the core curriculum. one of the best things about Python, as you are all aware, is that it is so diet, that students get to focus on learning the key/core concepts of computer science without getting bogged down by difficult syntax, data structure, or memory mgmt issues. On 11/8/07, bhaaluu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another way to judge how the book is, is by reading the posts the author sends to THIS list in order to help people. Mr. Chun and Mr. Gauld are two authors who provide help on this list. I certainly don't mind if they advertise their books on occassion -- they are also Tutors! just my $0.02, -- wesley - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Core Python Programming, Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001 http://corepython.com wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com python training and technical consulting cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca http://cyberwebconsulting.com ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/08/2007 05:19:59 PM: Chris Calloway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote teach languages. Teaching languages is frowned upon in some computer science departments under the logic that if you belong in a computer science class, you'd better show up for class already knowing something as easy to grasp as an implementation language. I don't like CS courses to focus on a language either, but neither do I think we should expect students to already know one. But learning a computer language should be a trivial exercise once you understand the CS concepts of algorithms and data and I/O etc. One of the worst things I find as an employer is the number of CS grads I get to interview who insist they only know one language. I wonder what they learned at college. That's like an electronics engineer saying he only knows how to solder, or a civil engineer who only knows how to lay bricks! A CS course should concentrate on principles and theory and learning languages should be a practical detail that the student does almost by osmosis. And this is, of course, why my tutorial teaches three languages not just python ;-) -- Alan Gauld Author of the Learn to Program web site http://www.freenetpages.co.uk/hp/alan.gauld One of the worse things I found as a recent job hunter, was the number of employers who are not willing to accept that after completing a CS program that focuses on the science of CS, learning the language they are using is a trivial exercise. On the plus side it helps identify the companies I didn't want to work for. Chris Henk___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
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apologies... meant to click the save now button but inadvertently hit send instead... On 11/8/07, bhaaluu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another way to judge how the book is, is by reading the posts the author sends to THIS list in order to help people. Mr. Chun and Mr. Gauld are two authors who provide help on this list. I certainly don't mind if they advertise their books on occassion -- they are also Tutors! nah... that's a conflict of interest... the book can sell itself. :-) *but* it surely doesn't hurt to ask alan to update his book to a 2nd ed! ;) *nudge* -wesley ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
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Danyelle Gragsone wrote: I wonder what schools offer python as a course. It has been rather widely publicized of late that MIT this year switched all their incoming computer science and electrical engineering students to Python (from Lisp) as their introductory programming language. They use this well regarded $26.40 textbook: http://www.amazon.com/Python-Programming-Introduction-Computer-Science/dp/1887902996/ There is a computer science department at my university. They don't teach languages. Teaching languages is frowned upon in some computer science departments under the logic that if you belong in a computer science class, you'd better show up for class already knowing something as easy to grasp as an implementation language. Some computer science courses at my university have an implementation language used in the class. I've noticed both Python and Lisp used. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.seacoos.org office: 332 Chapman Hall phone: (919) 962-4323 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
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Whatever the rationale for the price you could buy 2nd Ed 'Core', Chun *and *3rd edition(when it arrives) 'Learning Python', Lutz (the two standard, known and respected beginners texts) for the price of this. Mmm, I wonder what I would buy or rather have as a student. Eddie PS (My apologies for inadvertently sending this to the original poster instead of the list) ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
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Greetings, Many books have the source code available for download somewhere, or even a sample chapter? Are the examples in the book complete programs, or are they snippets illustrating a concept? If the programs are complete, what type of programs are they (business, science, other)? Does the source code work with GNU/Linux, or is it for MS-Windows only? -- b h a a l u u at g m a i l dot c o m http://www.geocities.com/ek.bhaaluu/index.html On Nov 6, 2007 6:15 PM, Michael H. Goldwasser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to the many voices supporting our decision to post to Tutor. We only posted to the most directly relevant mailing lists (announce, tutor, edusig). As an introductory book, it seemed quite appropriate for tutor. In fact, the topic of our (developing) book was raised in a thread on Tutor this past August 9/10th. Ironically, the topic at that time is the same as that raised by Chris Calloway's question today, about the $102 list price. The discrepency is because this is being published primarily as an academic book through Prentice Hall's Education line (as opposed to the Prentice Proffessional label that publishes books such as Wesley Chun's Core Python Programming). I'm not on the business side, so I don't know that I understand all the factors; could be a combination of the captive audience together with a lot of additional money spent on sending review copies to educators and sending representatives to campuses. In any event, we believe that the book can be quite useful outside the traditional classroom for new programmers or those new to object-oriented programming. Best regards, Michael ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
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eddie, Whatever the rationale for the price you could buy 2nd Ed 'Core', Chun *and *3rd edition(when it arrives) 'Learning Python', Lutz (the two standard, known and respected beginners texts) for the price of this. Mmm, I wonder what I would buy or rather have as a student. i've been skimming through michael's and david's book over the past week. fiscally, you are correct with your remark, but i have to be honest and say that michael's and david's book spends a bit more time introducing the concepts of OOP/OOD more carefully and more thought out than either mine or david's and mark's books. our books target existing programmers who (may already have some OO under their belt and/or) want to pick up python right away, rather than someone new to object-oriented methodologies (and perhaps programming) using python as the primary development vehicle. of course there is an OO intro in Core Python, but it is not a thorough treatment. as i've hinted, it's really the target audience. still, your point is well taken. fwiw, most aspects of the selling of a book (including its cover price) is almost -always out of the control of the author(s). cheers, -- wesley - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Core Python Programming, Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001 http://corepython.com wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com python training and technical consulting cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca http://cyberwebconsulting.com ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
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We are pleased to announce the release of a new Python book. Object-Oriented Programming in Python by Michael H. Goldwasser and David Letscher Prentice Hall, 2008 (available as of 10/29/2007) The book differs greatly from existing introductory Python books as it warmly embraces the object-oriented nature of Python from the onset. It is also extremely comprehensive with solid fundamentals as well as several advanced topics that can be covered as desired. This book is based on materials developed after switching our curriculum to the use of Python for an object-oriented CS1 course. Since the primary market is an introductory course, we do not assume any previous programming experience for our readers. This should make it a very good match for those who wish to self-study. The book includes 93 end-of-chapter practice problems with full solutions in an appendix, as well as an additional 300 end-of-chapter exercises. There is also an appendix that helps readers who have finished the book transition their skills to additional language, showing side-by-side examples of code in Python, Java and C++. More information can be found at http://www.prenhall.com/goldwasser With regard, Michael Goldwasser +---+ | Michael Goldwasser| | Associate Professor | | Dept. Mathematics and Computer Science| | Saint Louis University| | 220 North Grand Blvd. | | St. Louis, MO 63103-2007 | | | | Office: Ritter Hall 6 | | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | URL:euler.slu.edu/~goldwasser | | Phone: (314) 977-7039| | Fax:(314) 977-1452| +---+ ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
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On 06/11/2007, Michael H. Goldwasser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are pleased to announce the release of a new Python book. [...yadayada...] I thought this list was supposed to be clean from commercial advertisements. -- - Rikard. ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
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Rikard Bosnjakovic wrote: On 06/11/2007, Michael H. Goldwasser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are pleased to announce the release of a new Python book. [...yadayada...] I thought this list was supposed to be clean from commercial advertisements. I don't think there is a specific rule about that. I'm happy to have on-topic announcements which I think this is. IIRC I announced the new edition of Learning Python and Wesley Chun announced the new edition of his book, Core Python. Kent ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
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I agree as well. Its not like there is a flood of these books coming out, or emails slamming the list announcing them. Jay On Nov 6, 2007 1:38 PM, Kent Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rikard Bosnjakovic wrote: On 06/11/2007, Michael H. Goldwasser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are pleased to announce the release of a new Python book. [...yadayada...] I thought this list was supposed to be clean from commercial advertisements. I don't think there is a specific rule about that. I'm happy to have on-topic announcements which I think this is. IIRC I announced the new edition of Learning Python and Wesley Chun announced the new edition of his book, Core Python. Kent ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
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As far as I am concerned this may be a commercial advertisement, but is it a book on Python to help people learn Python. I get all of my information from books and then turn to the lists (Tutor being one) to get my questions asked or what I have learned clarified. I have a difficult time reading on line and prefer books. So I for one appreciate the post. Thank you, Jeff Jeff Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] SanDC, Inc. 623-582-0323 Fax 623-869-0675 Rikard Bosnjakovic wrote: On 06/11/2007, Michael H. Goldwasser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are pleased to announce the release of a new Python book. [...yadayada...] I thought this list was supposed to be clean from commercial advertisements. ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
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Michael H. Goldwasser wrote: We are pleased to announce the release of a new Python book. Why is this book $102? -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.seacoos.org office: 332 Chapman Hall phone: (919) 962-4323 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
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On 11/6/07, Kent Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rikard Bosnjakovic wrote: On 06/11/2007, Michael H. Goldwasser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are pleased to announce the release of a new Python book. I thought this list was supposed to be clean from commercial advertisements. I don't think there is a specific rule about that. I'm happy to have on-topic announcements which I think this is. IIRC I announced the new edition of Learning Python and Wesley Chun announced the new edition of his book, Core Python. i also make announcements for my upcoming public Python courses, which happen b/w 2-4 times a year. it's very infrequent, and although could be seen as commercial advertisments, is definitely for the benefit of the community and helps put food on my table. some have complained about it, but many more others have said things to the effect of, *thanks* for posting your course announcements... i've been wanting to take your class, or i wouldn't have been able to find out about it any other way, etc. bottom line: if infrequent: GOOD else: SPAM -- wesley - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Core Python Programming, Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001 http://corepython.com wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com python training and technical consulting cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca http://cyberwebconsulting.com ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
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On 11/6/07, Chris Calloway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael H. Goldwasser wrote: We are pleased to announce the release of a new Python book. Why is this book $102? Supply and demand aside, I suspect the market for this, based on both the publisher and the author's employment, is mostly educational/collegiate. Therefore, this book is likely to be assigned as a textbook and can command a premium price from buyers who have little to no choice but to buy it. Additionally, it may not be marketed on the wider bookstore shelves, so must make the most of the market which it does reach. That's all conjecture. What I do know is fact is that I can't afford it. /alex ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
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Thanks to the many voices supporting our decision to post to Tutor. We only posted to the most directly relevant mailing lists (announce, tutor, edusig). As an introductory book, it seemed quite appropriate for tutor. In fact, the topic of our (developing) book was raised in a thread on Tutor this past August 9/10th. Ironically, the topic at that time is the same as that raised by Chris Calloway's question today, about the $102 list price. The discrepency is because this is being published primarily as an academic book through Prentice Hall's Education line (as opposed to the Prentice Proffessional label that publishes books such as Wesley Chun's Core Python Programming). I'm not on the business side, so I don't know that I understand all the factors; could be a combination of the captive audience together with a lot of additional money spent on sending review copies to educators and sending representatives to campuses. In any event, we believe that the book can be quite useful outside the traditional classroom for new programmers or those new to object-oriented programming. Best regards, Michael On Tuesday November 6, 2007, jay wrote: I agree as well. Its not like there is a flood of these books coming out, or emails slamming the list announcing them. Jay On Nov 6, 2007 1:38 PM, Kent Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rikard Bosnjakovic wrote: On 06/11/2007, Michael H. Goldwasser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are pleased to announce the release of a new Python book. [...yadayada...] I thought this list was supposed to be clean from commercial advertisements. I don't think there is a specific rule about that. I'm happy to have on-topic announcements which I think this is. IIRC I announced the new edition of Learning Python and Wesley Chun announced the new edition of his book, Core Python. Kent On Tuesday November 6, 2007, Chris Calloway wrote: Michael H. Goldwasser wrote: We are pleased to announce the release of a new Python book. Why is this book $102? -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.seacoos.org office: 332 Chapman Hall phone: (919) 962-4323 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
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Michael H. Goldwasser wrote: Thanks to the many voices supporting our decision to post to Tutor. We only posted to the most directly relevant mailing lists (announce, tutor, edusig). As an introductory book, it seemed quite appropriate for tutor. In fact, the topic of our (developing) book was raised in a thread on Tutor this past August 9/10th. Ironically, the topic at that time is the same as that raised by Chris Calloway's question today, about the $102 list price. The discrepency is because this is being published primarily as an academic book through Prentice Hall's Education line (as opposed to the Prentice Proffessional label that publishes books such as Wesley Chun's Core Python Programming). I.e. the students have to buy it no matter what because the professor says so, so we may as well rake them over the coals. Their rich parents are paying for it anyway, so who cares. Not that I'm bitter or anything. ;-) Sincerely insincerely, e. I'm not on the business side, so I don't know that I understand all the factors; could be a combination of the captive audience together with a lot of additional money spent on sending review copies to educators and sending representatives to campuses. In any event, we believe that the book can be quite useful outside the traditional classroom for new programmers or those new to object-oriented programming. Best regards, Michael On Tuesday November 6, 2007, jay wrote: I agree as well. Its not like there is a flood of these books coming out, or emails slamming the list announcing them. Jay On Nov 6, 2007 1:38 PM, Kent Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rikard Bosnjakovic wrote: On 06/11/2007, Michael H. Goldwasser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are pleased to announce the release of a new Python book. [...yadayada...] I thought this list was supposed to be clean from commercial advertisements. I don't think there is a specific rule about that. I'm happy to have on-topic announcements which I think this is. IIRC I announced the new edition of Learning Python and Wesley Chun announced the new edition of his book, Core Python. Kent On Tuesday November 6, 2007, Chris Calloway wrote: Michael H. Goldwasser wrote: We are pleased to announce the release of a new Python book. Why is this book $102? -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.seacoos.org office: 332 Chapman Hall phone: (919) 962-4323 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
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For that price the book better write my code for me. Alex Ezell wrote: On 11/6/07, Chris Calloway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael H. Goldwasser wrote: We are pleased to announce the release of a new Python book. Why is this book $102? Supply and demand aside, I suspect the market for this, based on both the publisher and the author's employment, is mostly educational/collegiate. Therefore, this book is likely to be assigned as a textbook and can command a premium price from buyers who have little to no choice but to buy it. Additionally, it may not be marketed on the wider bookstore shelves, so must make the most of the market which it does reach. That's all conjecture. What I do know is fact is that I can't afford it. /alex ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
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I have been developing software for over 25 years in various languages. I am new to Python because for me it is the very best fit for my business going forward. People ask me how do I keep up with the industry - probably the fastest moving industry there is. Books, email lists and conferences is how I keep up. I make a good living writing software and books and conferences are my education. I can certainly sympathize with you if you are new to the programming world or can't afford books or conferences. I was in that situation for many years. There are tons of affordable or free resources for Python. I went to Amazon and ordered the book right away. Jeff Jeff Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] SanDC, Inc. 623-582-0323 Fax 623-869-0675 Eric Lake wrote: For that price the book better write my code for me. Alex Ezell wrote: On 11/6/07, Chris Calloway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael H. Goldwasser wrote: We are pleased to announce the release of a new Python book. Why is this book $102? Supply and demand aside, I suspect the market for this, based on both the publisher and the author's employment, is mostly educational/collegiate. Therefore, this book is likely to be assigned as a textbook and can command a premium price from buyers who have little to no choice but to buy it. Additionally, it may not be marketed on the wider bookstore shelves, so must make the most of the market which it does reach. That's all conjecture. What I do know is fact is that I can't afford it. /alex ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] New Introductory Book
In fact, the topic of our (developing) book was raised in a thread on Tutor this past August 9/10th. Ironically, the topic at that time is the same as that raised by Chris Calloway's question today, about the $102 list price. fyi, here is a link to the 1st post of the august thread from kent: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/tutor/2007-August/056230.html the sale price was excellent back then (45%) but now gone since the school year's started. :-) at least you can get a 12% discount from bookpool (but they're [understandably] OoS at the moment). anyhow, i look fwd to learning something from michael's and david's book. additionally, here is a short article on pricing in the book industry that may some more light: http://publishing.articlesarchive.net/retail-margin-trade-discount-what-it-means-for-the-author.html cheers, -- wesley - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Core Python Programming, Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001 http://corepython.com wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com python training and technical consulting cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca http://cyberwebconsulting.com ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] New Introductory Book
Jeff Johnson wrote: I went to Amazon and ordered the book right away. I hope you will tell us about it when you receive your copy! Kent ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
