Re: [TV orNotTV] 'Game of Thrones' Coming Back for Season 4

2013-04-03 Thread Adam Bowie
I wouldn't be surprised if Game of Thrones had already been renewed prior
to this - albeit unofficially. It's a nice bit of PR to give a show a
renewal right out of the gates like that, but I imagine for a production of
that scale, their office is a year round operation.

I read yesterday (http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/03/31/hbo-thrones-piracy/)
that it's also HBO's most profitable current series. With international
series, record breaking DVD/BluRay sales, and a significant amount of
spin-off merchandise, I'd imagine that HBO isn't letting this get away any
time soon.


Adam


On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:12 AM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Tom Wolper twol...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Mark Jeffries spotligh...@gmail.comwrote:

 HBO did another one of their quick renews and gave the cult fantasy
 drama a second season after only their season premiere Sunday night--I
 thought in television you only cancelled after one episode:

 http://www.thewrap.com/tv/article/game-thrones-renewed-season-4-83586


 I know we went over this before in this group - a series like Game of
 Thrones requires a lot of lead time for special effects and in this case
 they have a huge ensemble of actors and want to get them committed to
 another season ASAP. Because the series is based on a series of novels the
 producers can't do like they do on Downton Abbey and kill off characters
 when the actors become unavailable.


 Besides, with the built in sequels and fanbase for GOT, the announcement
 of a new season is just a marketing ploy. They could announce the next
 seasons right now just as easily.

 BTW - do the recent gmail changes mean that top-posting is now officially
 the only way to go?

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Justified showrunner Graham Yost in Onion AV Club

2013-04-03 Thread Joe Hass
On Apr 2, 2013, at 7:43 PM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote:

 On For me the most of no longer comes close to applying. If Speed and Full 
 House are on one side of the ledger, that is more than balanced by wonderful 
 television shows like Boomtown, Band of Brothers, The Pacific, Justified and 
 The Americans (and I even liked Herman's Head). I don't think many people in 
 the history of the medium can point to a body of work with as many different 
 high quality projects as Yost.

In the immortal words of Comic Book Guy, The world needs the wisdom of 
Herman's Head, now more than ever.

Joe (also a fan of HH.)

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Re: [TV orNotTV] 'Walking Dead' Finale Beats Network Scripted Shows (Again)

2013-04-03 Thread Bob in Jersey

PGage, to Mark J:

 Could Walking Dead appear unchanged on broadcast networks? It does not 
 have any nudity, but I guess the violence is pretty graphic (though most of 
 the victims are zombies). It seems like this pill would be particularly 
 bitter to swallow if it were true that there is no real reason why either 
 WD or The Bible, could not have been on NBC or ABC this season. 


The PTC called... they said, You're kidding, right?

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[TV orNotTV] AGT can also use Fallon tax credit to move to Radidio City

2013-04-03 Thread Bob in Jersey
If only to keep Howski from having to pay tolls back from NJ.

NY 
DNhttp://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/talent-land-radio-city-article-1.1306222?localLinksEnabled=false

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[TV orNotTV] Re: Bill Carter says Tonight will move back to NY, with Fallon

2013-04-03 Thread Bob in Jersey

Carter at the 
NYThttp://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/03/business/media/jimmy-fallon-said-to-have-extended-nbc-contract.html?ref=media_r=0says
 a contract extend for Fallon has been finalized... and a source 
confirms same to 
THRhttp://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/source-jimmy-fallon-closes-nbc-432587
.

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[TV orNotTV] NotTV: Ebert to take a leave of presence due to cancer recurrance

2013-04-03 Thread Joe Hass
Though he's not leaving. He's just slowing down. Which is not what the word
leave means in any dictionary I've seen.

Also, he's moving rogerebert.com off the Sun Times servers and into the
control of Ebert Digital, which Chaz will run.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2013/04/a_leave_of_presense.html

I can't help but think he's looking at the end game.

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[TV orNotTV] Semi OT: Disney shuts down LucasArts

2013-04-03 Thread Kevin M.
This is the part of corporate acquisitions I don't understand.
Billions were given in exchange for Lucas properties and the creative
talent contained therein. But now that Disney has them, they are being
shown the door.

http://kotaku.com/disney-shuts-down-lucasarts-468473749?
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Bill Carter says Tonight will move back to NY, with Fallon

2013-04-03 Thread Kevin M.
I have to say, at this point, it is the network who cried wolf. I've
ceased having any interest in Leno and Fallon. What does tick me off,
however is the move to New York, though not for any reasons provided.

When Conan was given the Tonight Show, his Late Show crew either
stayed to work with Fallon or traveled to LA to work with him. No
layoffs. When Leno retook the Tonight Show, Conan took his crew to TBS
(after taking them on the road). Again, no layoffs. Now, when Leno
leaves and Fallon gets the show, the entire Tonight Show crew in Los
Angeles (many of whom have been there for decades), is going to get
laid off. The GOP tosses around the acronym RINO. Well, NBC needs to
start using TSINO because the only thing getting retained of a legacy
program will be its name. So while people are commenting that this
time NBC might be able to make a transition successfully, I just wince
because it isn't a transition at all; it is a gut shot to apx. 150
people and their families, several of whom I know and have worked
with. The focus in the media will always be on the hosts. Both Jay and
Jimmy earn millions of dollars a year, but the people getting shafted
are the blue collar, behind-the-scenes staff, so from my perspective,
this is actually the worst Tonight Show related move NBC has made
since they censored Jack Parr's WC sketch and forced him to walk off
the show.


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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Bill Carter says Tonight will move back to NY, with Fallon

2013-04-03 Thread Darren Glass
While I agree that lots of people are affected by decisions like this and
not just the multimillionaire hosts, I think you are assuming several
things that, at least as far as I have read, have not been said.  In
particular, while it seems reasonable to guess that Fallon will keep much
of his current staff around rather than bring Leno's staff to NYC, has
anyone actually said this?

More importantly, I think there is a good chance that Late Night with
__ will move to California, to avoid booking conflicts if nothing else.
 Doesn't it seem likely that this show would use some or all of the current
Leno crew?

I'm not sure I understand how a change like this could avoid affecting
Leno's entire crew, assuming Leno is actually not going to continue with a
show.  How do you think they could avoid this situation?

d



On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Kevin M. drunkbastar...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have to say, at this point, it is the network who cried wolf. I've
 ceased having any interest in Leno and Fallon. What does tick me off,
 however is the move to New York, though not for any reasons provided.

 When Conan was given the Tonight Show, his Late Show crew either
 stayed to work with Fallon or traveled to LA to work with him. No
 layoffs. When Leno retook the Tonight Show, Conan took his crew to TBS
 (after taking them on the road). Again, no layoffs. Now, when Leno
 leaves and Fallon gets the show, the entire Tonight Show crew in Los
 Angeles (many of whom have been there for decades), is going to get
 laid off. The GOP tosses around the acronym RINO. Well, NBC needs to
 start using TSINO because the only thing getting retained of a legacy
 program will be its name. So while people are commenting that this
 time NBC might be able to make a transition successfully, I just wince
 because it isn't a transition at all; it is a gut shot to apx. 150
 people and their families, several of whom I know and have worked
 with. The focus in the media will always be on the hosts. Both Jay and
 Jimmy earn millions of dollars a year, but the people getting shafted
 are the blue collar, behind-the-scenes staff, so from my perspective,
 this is actually the worst Tonight Show related move NBC has made
 since they censored Jack Parr's WC sketch and forced him to walk off
 the show.


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Re: [TV orNotTV] Semi OT: Disney shuts down LucasArts

2013-04-03 Thread Joe Coughlin
LucasArts hasn't really been creating much of anything lately. They've
long moved away from creating their own IP and instead coming up with
numerous Star Wars games that they have farmed out to a second party
in most cases like Bioware who did Knights of the Old Republic and
The Old Republic MMO.

Companies like Double Fine and Telltale are more old school LucasArts
today than LucasArts is now.

In short, no big loss.

On 4/3/13, Kevin M. drunkbastar...@gmail.com wrote:
 This is the part of corporate acquisitions I don't understand.
 Billions were given in exchange for Lucas properties and the creative
 talent contained therein. But now that Disney has them, they are being
 shown the door.

 http://kotaku.com/disney-shuts-down-lucasarts-468473749?
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Bill Carter says Tonight will move back to NY, with Fallon

2013-04-03 Thread Joe Coughlin
They will have just under a year to get their ducks in a row then.
That's pretty good lead time anywhere else. Few of them are contract
players, so if they find something, they can jump.

I know production in LA is slowing down, so I feel for those who will
have a problem finding a job in Burbank. But I really don't think this
is a bad move business-wise on Comcast's part. They're moving away
from Burbank, closer to Comcast's HQ of Philadelphia on a show that
will now have a huge tax break thanks to New York state.

It's not Steve Allen or Johnny's Tonight anymore...but is it Dave
Garroway's Today? Hell, is it even Bryant Gumbel's?


On 4/3/13, Kevin M. drunkbastar...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have to say, at this point, it is the network who cried wolf. I've
 ceased having any interest in Leno and Fallon. What does tick me off,
 however is the move to New York, though not for any reasons provided.

 When Conan was given the Tonight Show, his Late Show crew either
 stayed to work with Fallon or traveled to LA to work with him. No
 layoffs. When Leno retook the Tonight Show, Conan took his crew to TBS
 (after taking them on the road). Again, no layoffs. Now, when Leno
 leaves and Fallon gets the show, the entire Tonight Show crew in Los
 Angeles (many of whom have been there for decades), is going to get
 laid off. The GOP tosses around the acronym RINO. Well, NBC needs to
 start using TSINO because the only thing getting retained of a legacy
 program will be its name. So while people are commenting that this
 time NBC might be able to make a transition successfully, I just wince
 because it isn't a transition at all; it is a gut shot to apx. 150
 people and their families, several of whom I know and have worked
 with. The focus in the media will always be on the hosts. Both Jay and
 Jimmy earn millions of dollars a year, but the people getting shafted
 are the blue collar, behind-the-scenes staff, so from my perspective,
 this is actually the worst Tonight Show related move NBC has made
 since they censored Jack Parr's WC sketch and forced him to walk off
 the show.


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Re: [TV orNotTV] Semi OT: Disney shuts down LucasArts

2013-04-03 Thread Ben Combee
Kevin, remember that LucasArts was just the videogame side, not the movie
or TV production side.  As Joe mentioned, it hadn't been doing much that
was well received on its own for years.


On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Joe Coughlin inturnaro...@gmail.com wrote:

 LucasArts hasn't really been creating much of anything lately. They've
 long moved away from creating their own IP and instead coming up with
 numerous Star Wars games that they have farmed out to a second party
 in most cases like Bioware who did Knights of the Old Republic and
 The Old Republic MMO.

 Companies like Double Fine and Telltale are more old school LucasArts
 today than LucasArts is now.

 In short, no big loss.

 On 4/3/13, Kevin M. drunkbastar...@gmail.com wrote:
  This is the part of corporate acquisitions I don't understand.
  Billions were given in exchange for Lucas properties and the creative
  talent contained therein. But now that Disney has them, they are being
  shown the door.
 
  http://kotaku.com/disney-shuts-down-lucasarts-468473749?
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[TV orNotTV] Norm MacDonald has a talk show

2013-04-03 Thread Kevin M.
OK, he has a podcast, with a YouTube component. The first episode had
Super Dave as his guest, and Super Dave did what he does on every show
he has ever been on which is mock the hell out of it. I can watch Bob
Einstein read the phone book and be amused, but for him to be the
first guest REALLY highlighted the flaws in the show, albeit
humorously. The second episode had Tom Green, which I could neither
listen to nor watch because it had Tom Green.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/norm-macdonald-live/id625455951?mt=2

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Re: [TV orNotTV] 'Walking Dead' Finale Beats Network Scripted Shows (Again)

2013-04-03 Thread PGage
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Bob in Jersey bob.in.jer...@juno.comwrote:


 PGage, to Mark J:

 Could Walking Dead appear unchanged on broadcast networks? It does not
 have any nudity, but I guess the violence is pretty graphic (though most of
 the victims are zombies). It seems like this pill would be particularly
 bitter to swallow if it were true that there is no real reason why either
 WD or The Bible, could not have been on NBC or ABC this season.


 The PTC called... they said, You're kidding, right?


In reference to which, the gruesomeness in Walking Dead or in the Bible?

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Bill Carter says Tonight will move back to NY, with Fallon

2013-04-03 Thread PGage
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Kevin M. drunkbastar...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have to say, at this point, it is the network who cried wolf. I've
 ceased having any interest in Leno and Fallon. What does tick me off,
 however is the move to New York, though not for any reasons provided.

 When Conan was given the Tonight Show, his Late Show crew either
 stayed to work with Fallon or traveled to LA to work with him. No
 layoffs. When Leno retook the Tonight Show, Conan took his crew to TBS
 (after taking them on the road). Again, no layoffs. Now, when Leno
 leaves and Fallon gets the show, the entire Tonight Show crew in Los
 Angeles (many of whom have been there for decades), is going to get
 laid off. (SNIP)


I think I might be more irritated if I were Conan, who was forced to bring
his entire staff across country, only to have them all get unceremoniously
fired. If NBC had allowed Conan to do the Tonight Show from NY the
transition would have been better in a number of ways.

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[TV orNotTV] Late-night upheaval: A six-night-a-week issue

2013-04-03 Thread Brad Beam
With Lorne Michaels planning to become TSwJF's showrunner in February, has 
anybody considered the possibility that he may step down from SNL to 
concentrate on NBC's weeknight late-night franchise instead?

(If that happens, Liz Lemon is on record as saying the SNL plug should be 
pulled.)
http://popwatch.ew.com/2013/03/15/tina-fey-lorne-michaels-saturday-night-live/

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[TV orNotTV] NY state's new gun law threatens film/TV

2013-04-03 Thread Bob in Jersey
TheWraphttp://www.thewrap.com/movies/article/why-new-yorks-new-gun-control-laws-are-causing-headaches-hollywood-83676:
 
The (hastily-passed thx to Newtown) rules, which take effect Apr 15th, 
don't *specifically* allow for prop weapons in scripted productions, and 
the GOP senate leader objects to any change to them (the linked story is at 
a soft-paywall site)

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[TV orNotTV] Re: Late-night upheaval: A six-night-a-week issue

2013-04-03 Thread Bob in Jersey

Brad Beam, in part:

  With Lorne Michaels planning to become TSwJF's showrunner in February, 
 has anybody considered the possibility that he may step down from SNL to 
 concentrate on NBC's weeknight late-night franchise instead?


Even if he doesn't, they could lose Nasim Pedrad... she's been signed to 
another Lorne project, a sitcom created by John Mulaney... 
EWhttp://insidetv.ew.com/2013/04/03/snl-comedienne-joins-lorne-michaels-pilot/has,
 f'rinstance, her WU spot as Arianna Huffington...

-- BOB

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Bill Carter says Tonight will move back to NY, with Fallon

2013-04-03 Thread PGage
I appreciate your concern for Burbank and the Tonight Show staffers, and I
think at this point in US history all of us know at some level the
devastating impacts of losing a job. Without minimizing that, the move to
NYC will also be a welcome boon to roughly the same number of people, in
the same industry, there. I don't think the impact on Burbank or the
specific staff can be a determining factor for NBC about its strategy.

I am less skeptical than you about the Late Night move to SoCal - I think
it is all but a certainty. Lorne will just exchange producing duties of LN
with the Tonight Show. But I think there are real questions about the
wisdom of the underlying strategy here. I don't think we can say NBC is
clearly being stupid by moving Leno out early in favor of Fallon, but your
suggestion that they are confusing long term strategy with impulsive
desperation is certainly plausible. I was obviously a big critic of NBC's
treatment of Conan, but behind that I have always thought their original
mistake was the initial decision to move Leno out of the Tonight Show
before his time. It does seem odd that one of the few time periods NBC
still rules (are they still ahead in the evening news?) is the one they
seem so determined to screw around with; one might think they would let the
11:35 pm slot take care of itself for a while and devote their long term
programing genius to prime time (or morning). Fallon, unlike Conan, is not
threatening to go anywhere, and it is unlikely that the Winter Olympics is
going to make a big enough difference in the ratings launch for Fallon that
it is worth giving Leno the bum's rush. Let the dude play out his contract
and retire with some dignity at the end of the summer. Is that really so
hard?

Paradoxically (because NBC is doing all of this putatively to
counter=program against him) I think the real winner here is Kimmell. He
will now have LA to himself at 11:35. He has the perfect persona for that
town - snarky enough not to be seen as a sycophant, but savvy enough to
indirectly kiss the right asses - and now hip enough to be a place where
celebs who want to present themselves to the under-40s want to be seen.
Fallon meanwhile will be fighting it out directly with not only Dave, but
Stewart and Colbert too, not to mention the sloppy seconds from the morning
shows, and even a little bit from SNL ( though I guess we will be getting a
lot of cross promotion there). I am about a bizillion times more likely to
watch the Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon than I was Jay Leno (because I
just constitutionally can not stomach more than 10 seconds of Leno on that
show), but that does not mean I think this is a good move, either ethically
or strategically.


On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Kevin M. drunkbastar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Deep breath... and...

 The local CBS OO here in LA did a decent piece about how Jay's firing
 (if we're going to call what happened to Conan a firing, we must also
 call what is happening to Jay a firing) will impact Burbank. NBC sold
 the Burbank studios a few years ago and moved most everything except
 the Tonight Show to Universal Studios. That dealt a harsh blow to
 Burbank. Even if Late Night moves to Southern California, which I'd be
 skeptical of since it sounds like Lorne Michaels will now be EP of
 every NBC late night program, they won't go to Burbank -- they'd
 operate from the Universal lot. Unions in this area are funky, which
 is a nice way of saying they do not play well with each other and have
 the oddest factions and rivalries. Consequently, union guys who worked
 on an all-TV lot like NBC Burbank are unlikely to be able to easily
 transition to a film  TV lot like Universal. Many behind-the-scenes
 guys at NBC are in their 50s... or older (that studio had a much
 higher retention rate of personnel than the average), who are less
 likely to get hired in an industry that values low salary requirements
 more than experience. The net result being roughly 170 Tonight Show
 staffers (that's the number from KCBS) will be out of work.

 The mayor of Burbank was interviewed, and he seemed absolutely
 crushed. He pointed out the ripple effect on the city losing such a
 show (after all, he experienced it do a lesser degree when Conan moved
 it, and The Jay Leno Show lacked the same draw). Local businesses
 are gonna close. Real estate prices are going to drop. The former NBC
 studios will likely be knocked down in a few years.

 Someone asked in this thread what alternatives NBC had. Well, earlier
 threads have hashed and rehashed what NBC has done right and wrong
 with late night programing over the last several years, and I think
 the solution exists in long-term thinking. The Fallon move seems like
 a long-term strategy on its face, but I believe otherwise. To me the
 move smacks of corporate lackeys having a knee-jerk reaction to senior
 executives who parrot the phrase make it skew younger over and over
 again. It is the only reason why NBC would 

[TV orNotTV] Re: Late-night upheaval: A six-night-a-week issue

2013-04-03 Thread M-D November
Also consider that Seth Meyers is largely considered the heir apparent to 
the 12:35 Late Night slot, although it remains to be seen how a probable 
move to LA would factor into Meyers taking the job.

Also, what's the status of Jason Sudeikis?  Conventional wisdom was that 
he'd be done with SNL after the general election, but he's still hanging 
around (although he's not being used the way he once was - I spotted him in 
all of one sketch during the recent Timberlake episode).

On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 10:15:37 PM UTC-4, Bob in Jersey wrote:


 Brad Beam, in part:

  With Lorne Michaels planning to become TSwJF's showrunner in February, 
 has anybody considered the possibility that he may step down from SNL to 
 concentrate on NBC's weeknight late-night franchise instead?


 Even if he doesn't, they could lose Nasim Pedrad... she's been signed to 
 another Lorne project, a sitcom created by John Mulaney... 
 EWhttp://insidetv.ew.com/2013/04/03/snl-comedienne-joins-lorne-michaels-pilot/has,
  f'rinstance, her WU spot as Arianna Huffington...

 -- BOB


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Re: [TV orNotTV] Jimmy and Jay Sing It Out (But...)

2013-04-03 Thread PGage
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 8:48 PM, Kevin M. drunkbastar...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 7:37 PM, Mark Jeffries spotligh...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  In what technically began Late Night last night, a cross-country phone
  call from Big Jaw to Fallon which becomes a number from West Side
 Story:
 
 
 http://www.thewrap.com/tv/column-post/leno-and-fallons-tonight-duet-what-got-cut-video-83541
 
  The Wrap points out that a line in the beginning of the sketch where
 Leno is
  asked about moving to Fox was cut out of the sketch (it was in a preview
  video NBC sent out earlier yesterday)--the net says it was cut for time
 (and
  the parody lyric also referenced moving to Fox).

 That was a very well produced piece of spin control. Not funny in the
 slightest, but very well produced.


Despite the laughter from someone's audience or laugh-track (I am guessing
Fallon's - the whole thing had more of his fingerprint than Leno's) it
oddly did not seem to even be intended to be funny.

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