[TV orNotTV] The Mentalist blunder? (spoilers only in linked article)

[Bob in Jersey]

As noted under "Simpsons audible?", the scheduled ep got tossed here in the 
USA (to another week where it *will* be Delayed By Football), though as is 
apt to happen, the cunning have found illicit versions of it, as for 
example reports this overseas paper...

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/519471/20131105/mentalist-6-fire-brimstone-spoilers-watch-online.htm#.UnhzxhCmYlQ

But seriously, was there a preview at the end for the ep that was to follow 
next week (now also pushed back) ?

And did or didn't the segment air in (at least parts of) Canada?

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[TV orNotTV] NY stations all nutsy-coocoo?

[Bob in Jersey]

Are they still in breaking-news mode following the shooting at Garden State 
Plaza?

Philly (at least ABC) went right to it on their 11pm news.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] FCC considering eliminating sports blackout rules

[Bob in Jersey]

Joe Hass, to Doug Fields, in part:
>
> The reasonable question to ask of the acting Chairwoman is whether the 
> Commission is interested in looking at the situation today with these other 
> blackout rules (probably the two most onerous being Fox's Saturday baseball 
> blackout rules and MLB's bizarre home market 
> map
>  which 
> makes the entire state of Iowa part of the home market of one-fifth of the 
> league and extends "home market" to distances of 500 miles or more) and 
> whether they are part of "the public interest" or if they simply decide 
> it's just the free market at work. Hint: if they were really serious, 
> they'd just need to utter two words: "antitrust exemption". 
>

I always preferred this more-detailed, and of course larger, version of the 
map linked above:

http://www.desipio.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/mlb-broadcast-map.jpg

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Re: [TV orNotTV] FCC considering eliminating sports blackout rules

[Bob in Jersey]

JW, to Doug Fields, in part:
>
> > Hmmm.now that I read back over this thread, maybe we *are* talking about 
> two
> > different things. I'm specifically talking about the NFL's blackout rule.
> > I'm not aware of any rules affecting the broadcast of the home games of 
> any
> > of the other major sports.
>
> The other rule may be the one that allows local rightsholders to demand 
> that other entities be blacked out. For instance, if the Cubs are playing 
> the Pirates, WGN America will often have a slide up (courtesy of the local 
> cable company, I'm sure) saying that FCC rules bar them from showing the 
> game in Pittsburgh.
>

Title 47 Code of Federal Regulations, section 76.111. Companions are 76.127 
which covers satellited events, and 76.128 further explains the definition 
of territory that may be subject to a blackout.


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Re: [TV orNotTV] FCC considering eliminating sports blackout rules

[Tom Wolper]

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Joe Hass  wrote:

>
> The reasonable question to ask of the acting Chairwoman is whether the
> Commission is interested in looking at the situation today with these other
> blackout rules (probably the two most onerous being Fox's Saturday baseball
> blackout rules and MLB's bizarre home market 
> map
>  which
> makes the entire state of Iowa part of the home market of one-fifth of the
> league and extends "home market" to distances of 500 miles or more) and
> whether they are part of "the public interest" or if they simply decide
> it's just the free market at work. Hint: if they were really serious,
> they'd just need to utter two words: "antitrust exemption".
>

Today was the acting chairwoman's last day and this decision might be
relevant to that context. Meaning she may not be responsible for the
consequences.

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RE: [TV orNotTV] FCC considering eliminating sports blackout rules

[JW]

> Hmmm.now that I read back over this thread, maybe we *are* talking about
two
> different things. I'm specifically talking about the NFL's blackout rule.
> I'm not aware of any rules affecting the broadcast of the home games of
any
> of the other major sports.

The other rule may be the one that allows local rightsholders to demand
that other entities be blacked out. For instance, if the Cubs are playing
the Pirates, WGN America will often have a slide up (courtesy of the local
cable company, I'm sure) saying that FCC rules bar them from showing the
game in Pittsburgh.

My recollection is that the NFL rule was actually put into place
"voluntarily" by the league in about 1973 when Congress started to threaten
to pass laws. Before that, all home games were blacked out regardless of
the ticket situation, so that I had to hear the Immaculate Reception on
radio. Even Super Bowls were blacked out in the markets where they were
played. With all the changes of the last forty years, about the only
benefit I can see for anyone is teams having an excuse to sell their last
few thousand seats right before the deadline.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Conan's 20th

[M-D November]

Was it a title card reading "Footage not available" with production music 
underneath?

On Monday, November 4, 2013 1:30:16 PM UTC-5, Jim Ellwanger wrote:
>
> On Nov 4, 2013, at 9:37 AM, M-D November wrote: 
>
> > Huh. Interesting. Just "Late Night", huh? So we're just going to pretend 
> those 9 months at 11:35 didn't exist - like a prom night dumpster baby*? 
>
> They did acknowledge, and run a clip package for, "The Tonight Show with 
> Conan O'Brien" on "Conan." 
>
> -- 
> Jim Ellwanger > 
>  
>
>
>

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Simpsons audible?

[M-D November]

Three thoughts re: the rights issue - 

1) The previously mentioned picture of Gordie Howe
2) The use of Howe's NHL statistics before the end credit roll - maybe NHL 
claims ownership over this data, and FOX didn't clear it?
3) The image of "Gomer Pyle, USMC" that appears (in animated form) on the 
TV at one point in the episode?

On Monday, November 4, 2013 2:33:44 PM UTC-5, Joe Hass wrote:
>
> I don't know if you're being sarcastic, but that crossed my mind, since 
> Gordie isn't of sound mind anymore and Colleen died four years ago. But I 
> would assume that any contract to use Mr Hockey's likeness would last in 
> perpetuity. 
>
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Pete Ahles 
> > wrote:
>
>> Maybe they were afraid of Gordie Howe.
>>
>

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Re: [TV orNotTV] FCC considering eliminating sports blackout rules

[Jim Ellwanger]

On Nov 4, 2013, at 2:50 PM, Joe Hass wrote:

> The reasonable question to ask of the acting Chairwoman is whether the 
> Commission is interested in looking at the situation today with these other 
> blackout rules (probably the two most onerous being Fox's Saturday baseball 
> blackout rules...

This one is gone with the new 2014 TV contract -- Fox's Saturday games will be 
available on MLB.tv and MLB Extra Innings:  
http://www.baseballnation.com/2012/10/2/3443876/mlb-tv-blackouts-fox-sports-ending-2014

-- 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] FCC considering eliminating sports blackout rules

[Joe Hass]

There was a time when the NFL blacked out all home games, whether they were
sold out or not, to encourage ticket sales. This changed after the 1972
season when the Washington team was blacked out during their sold-out
playoff run (yep, they even blacked out the playoffs). Because, as usual,
frequently nothing happens on the Federal level if it doesn't directly
affect the Washington area, the Feds passed the law prohibiting home-team
blackouts when teams sold out their facility at least 72 hours prior to the
start of the contest. The argument was that to prohibit broadcast of an
event was not in the public interest. That's the law that has remained in
effect today.

My reference to the NHL was that the Chicago Blackhawks (then owned by the
cheap-and-thankfully-now-dead Bill Wirtz), was (to my knowledge) the only
non-NFL that used that law to black out home games, including network-aired
contests, if the games weren't sold out.

Every other blackout rule you know of is negotiated by league/teams and
broadcasters, and have nothing to do with this law. The number of NFL games
blacked out has dropped significantly over the years. The NFL has even
offered to lower their standards to lift blackouts (though it's been
reported that teams have opted to take the blackout over the financial cost
of taking advantage). So the law as written is pointless today.

The reasonable question to ask of the acting Chairwoman is whether the
Commission is interested in looking at the situation today with these other
blackout rules (probably the two most onerous being Fox's Saturday baseball
blackout rules and MLB's bizarre home market
map
which
makes the entire state of Iowa part of the home market of one-fifth of the
league and extends "home market" to distances of 500 miles or more) and
whether they are part of "the public interest" or if they simply decide
it's just the free market at work. Hint: if they were really serious,
they'd just need to utter two words: "antitrust exemption".



On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Doug Fields  wrote:

> Nope…upon further research, it appears I was on the right track after all.
>
>
>
>
> http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/01/us-usa-broadcasting-blackout-idUSBRE9A00ZW20131101
>
>
>
> Doug Fields
>
> Tampa, FL
>
>
>
> *From:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Doug Fields
> *Sent:* Monday, November 04, 2013 3:22 PM
>
> *To:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: [TV orNotTV] FCC considering eliminating sports blackout
> rules
>
>
>
> Hmmm…now that I read back over this thread, maybe we **are** talking
> about two different things.  I’m specifically talking about the NFL’s
> blackout rule.  I’m not aware of any rules affecting the broadcast of the
> home games of any of the other major sports.
>
>
>
> DF
>
>
>
> *From:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Doug Fields
> *Sent:* Monday, November 04, 2013 3:12 PM
> *To:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: [TV orNotTV] FCC considering eliminating sports blackout
> rules
>
>
>
> Could we possibly be talking about two different things?  There is no rule
> **prohibiting** blacking out home games.  The rule **requires** home
> games be blacked out, unless 85% or more of the stadium’s seats are sold 72
> hours prior to game time.
>
>
>
> Doug Fields
>
> Tampa, FL
>
>
>
> *From:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Joe Hass
> *Sent:* Monday, November 04, 2013 2:31 PM
> *To:* TV Or Not TV
> *Subject:* Re: [TV orNotTV] FCC considering eliminating sports blackout
> rules
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:33 PM,  wrote:
>
>
>
> I'd like to hear even one example (even a far-fetched one) of how the
> blackout rules have ever been "in the public interest."
>
>
>
> I'd say the initial idea when the rule was creating: that prohibiting
> blacking out home games in their own market allowed fans of all types to be
> able to see the games, even if they couldn't afford the tickets. Given the
> amount of money that communities give towards the building of these
> facilities*, they become de facto in the public interest. Even Dollar Bill
> Wirtz would let the very-rare sold-out Blackhawks games air.
>
>
>
> That said, the rule is now utterly obsolete. Now the question becomes
> "does the FCC consider OTA broadcasts part of being in the public interest,
> especially in markets (as discussed in these parts earlier) that do not
> have any non-network or cable OTA broadcasts?" That's where the battle
> between free markets and public interests comes back into play.
>
>
>
> * I'm aware this fact could launch into its own discussion that could
> raise my blood pressure, for which I will simply state this fact and
> continue.
>
> .
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[TV orNotTV] NCI-Candy: 'NCIS' scoop: Emily Wickersham upped to series regular

[Ron Casalotti]

'NCIS' scoop: Emily Wickersham upped to series 
regular
Apparently, her character, Ellie Bishop, has all the right moves.

Ron Casalotti
Wayne, NJ

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[TV orNotTV] ABC Takes Care of Its New Sitcoms

[Mark Jeffries]

"The Goldbergs" and "Trophy Wife" get their back nines, "Super Fun Night" 
only renewed for four and no additional episodes for "Back in the Game," 
which could put it on the chopping block:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/04/arts/television/abc-extends-the-lives-of-some-new-sitcoms.html?adxnnl=1&src=un&feedurl=http://json8.nytimes.com/pages/business/media/index.jsonp&adxnnlx=1383597540-5iQQgCer/9Iq+eg1DlUB4Q

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Re: [TV orNotTV] How I Met Your... Father??

[Mark Jeffries]

Well, it could happen:  If ABCFAM could end "Secret Life of the American
Teenager" as Shailene Woodley was exiting her teens (and yes, on the verge
of being a big movie star), one would think that they would graduate the
"PLL" four pretty soon before they enter Gabrielle Carteris territory.

Mark Jeffries
Saints Spotlight Editor
spotligh...@gmail.com


On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 6:33 PM,  wrote:

>
>  Bob in Jersey  wrote:
> >
> > Yep, a spinoff of the soon-to-end "...Mother" is on the horizon... a
> whole
> > new group is to be unveiled in their finale, connected in only minor ways
> > to Barney, Ted *et al*, of whom apparently another
> > eventually-to-be-revealed member, speaking in VO to future offspring,
> > surreptitiously begins *her* journey toward(s) meeting a mate... Emily
> > Spivey, once of *SNL* and later *Up All Night*, co-execs with Bays and
> > Thomas... members of the former's cast can show up in guest roles...
> >
> > http://www.deadline.com/2013/10/cbs-how-i-met-your-mother-spinoff/
>
> Probably won't happen... but what would happen if two of the central five
> were Barney's half-sister Carly and Ted's sister Heather... both revealed
> to have had seemingly adventurous pasts in their own rite?
>
> But again, Ashley Benson's busy being a pretty little liar, and Erin
> Cahill's busy being the female Ted McGinley, so... wishful thinking at best.
>
> ~D
>
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RE: [TV orNotTV] FCC considering eliminating sports blackout rules

[Doug Fields]

Nope.upon further research, it appears I was on the right track after all.

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/01/us-usa-broadcasting-blackout-idUSB
RE9A00ZW20131101

 

Doug Fields

Tampa, FL

 

From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Doug Fields
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 3:22 PM
To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [TV orNotTV] FCC considering eliminating sports blackout rules

 

Hmmm.now that I read back over this thread, maybe we *are* talking about two
different things.  I'm specifically talking about the NFL's blackout rule.
I'm not aware of any rules affecting the broadcast of the home games of any
of the other major sports.

 

DF

 

From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Doug Fields
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 3:12 PM
To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [TV orNotTV] FCC considering eliminating sports blackout rules

 

Could we possibly be talking about two different things?  There is no rule
*prohibiting* blacking out home games.  The rule *requires* home games be
blacked out, unless 85% or more of the stadium's seats are sold 72 hours
prior to game time.

 

Doug Fields

Tampa, FL

 

From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Joe Hass
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 2:31 PM
To: TV Or Not TV
Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] FCC considering eliminating sports blackout rules

 

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:33 PM,  wrote:

 

I'd like to hear even one example (even a far-fetched one) of how the
blackout rules have ever been "in the public interest."

 

I'd say the initial idea when the rule was creating: that prohibiting
blacking out home games in their own market allowed fans of all types to be
able to see the games, even if they couldn't afford the tickets. Given the
amount of money that communities give towards the building of these
facilities*, they become de facto in the public interest. Even Dollar Bill
Wirtz would let the very-rare sold-out Blackhawks games air.

 

That said, the rule is now utterly obsolete. Now the question becomes "does
the FCC consider OTA broadcasts part of being in the public interest,
especially in markets (as discussed in these parts earlier) that do not have
any non-network or cable OTA broadcasts?" That's where the battle between
free markets and public interests comes back into play.

 

* I'm aware this fact could launch into its own discussion that could raise
my blood pressure, for which I will simply state this fact and continue.  

.

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RE: [TV orNotTV] FCC considering eliminating sports blackout rules

[Doug Fields]

Hmmm.now that I read back over this thread, maybe we *are* talking about two
different things.  I'm specifically talking about the NFL's blackout rule.
I'm not aware of any rules affecting the broadcast of the home games of any
of the other major sports.

 

DF

 

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Could we possibly be talking about two different things?  There is no rule
*prohibiting* blacking out home games.  The rule *requires* home games be
blacked out, unless 85% or more of the stadium's seats are sold 72 hours
prior to game time.

 

Doug Fields

Tampa, FL

 

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Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 2:31 PM
To: TV Or Not TV
Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] FCC considering eliminating sports blackout rules

 

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:33 PM,  wrote:

 

I'd like to hear even one example (even a far-fetched one) of how the
blackout rules have ever been "in the public interest."

 

I'd say the initial idea when the rule was creating: that prohibiting
blacking out home games in their own market allowed fans of all types to be
able to see the games, even if they couldn't afford the tickets. Given the
amount of money that communities give towards the building of these
facilities*, they become de facto in the public interest. Even Dollar Bill
Wirtz would let the very-rare sold-out Blackhawks games air.

 

That said, the rule is now utterly obsolete. Now the question becomes "does
the FCC consider OTA broadcasts part of being in the public interest,
especially in markets (as discussed in these parts earlier) that do not have
any non-network or cable OTA broadcasts?" That's where the battle between
free markets and public interests comes back into play.

 

* I'm aware this fact could launch into its own discussion that could raise
my blood pressure, for which I will simply state this fact and continue.  

.

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[TV orNotTV] Re: OH Newspaper With Sister CBS Affil Told Not to Diss the Eye in Print

[Mark Jeffries]

And:  The comments on Romenesko included someone saying what news value was 
in this, because would you expect Fox News telling viewers to not watch 
"American Dad!":  Since the Chicago Tribune threw off the last yokes of 
Col. McCormick in the 70s, WGN radio and TV and their programming have been 
criticized profusely by Tribune critics, including Geraldo Rivera when the 
Tribune Co. was syndicating his talk show and the infamous "Al Capone's 
Vault" special.  I would assume that when WQXR was owned by the NY Times, 
one of their classical music critics (yeah, they had and may still have 
more than one classical music critic) criticized the station at one time or 
another for being too conservative in its music programming.  And when Mike 
Darnell announced the later-scuttled special "O.J.:  If I Did It," FNC 
hosts took pains to point out that their channel's management was not 
responsible for Fox Broadcasting programming, even if under the same owners.

On Monday, November 4, 2013 2:14:28 PM UTC-6, Mark Jeffries wrote:
>
> The Dayton Daily News ran an article from Minneapolis Star-Tribune critic 
> Neal Justin giving CBS a C+ grade for its fall season (in an article that 
> hit all of the Big 4 almost equally), but since the paper and Dayton CBS 
> affil WHIO are both owned by Cox Media, a "Bridge Editor" trying to link 
> Cox's print and broadcast properties in Dayton together criticized the move 
> and said that this should not happen in the future, so don't expect pans of 
> "Two and a Half Men" and "CSI" any time soon in the paper:
>
>
> http://jimromenesko.com/2013/11/04/dayton-daily-news-memo-there-will-be-nothing-negative-about-cbs-in-our-newspaper/
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[TV orNotTV] OH Newspaper With Sister CBS Affil Told Not to Diss the Eye in Print

[Mark Jeffries]

The Dayton Daily News ran an article from Minneapolis Star-Tribune critic 
Neal Justin giving CBS a C+ grade for its fall season (in an article that 
hit all of the Big 4 almost equally), but since the paper and Dayton CBS 
affil WHIO are both owned by Cox Media, a "Bridge Editor" trying to link 
Cox's print and broadcast properties in Dayton together criticized the move 
and said that this should not happen in the future, so don't expect pans of 
"Two and a Half Men" and "CSI" any time soon in the paper:

http://jimromenesko.com/2013/11/04/dayton-daily-news-memo-there-will-be-nothing-negative-about-cbs-in-our-newspaper/

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[TV orNotTV] When Disney & Dish Dance, It's Not About The Money Anymore

[Joe Hass]

Generally, the battles have less to do with money and more to do with
technology beyond the box (think TV Everywhere).

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/04/business/media/disney-and-dish-wrangle-not-over-broadcast-fees-but-the-future-of-tv.html

I think this misses the sports issue (which is still all about cash), but
still a good read.

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RE: [TV orNotTV] FCC considering eliminating sports blackout rules

[Doug Fields]

Could we possibly be talking about two different things?  There is no rule
*prohibiting* blacking out home games.  The rule *requires* home games be
blacked out, unless 85% or more of the stadium's seats are sold 72 hours
prior to game time.

 

Doug Fields

Tampa, FL

 

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Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 2:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] FCC considering eliminating sports blackout rules

 

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:33 PM,  wrote:

 

I'd like to hear even one example (even a far-fetched one) of how the
blackout rules have ever been "in the public interest."

 

I'd say the initial idea when the rule was creating: that prohibiting
blacking out home games in their own market allowed fans of all types to be
able to see the games, even if they couldn't afford the tickets. Given the
amount of money that communities give towards the building of these
facilities*, they become de facto in the public interest. Even Dollar Bill
Wirtz would let the very-rare sold-out Blackhawks games air.

 

That said, the rule is now utterly obsolete. Now the question becomes "does
the FCC consider OTA broadcasts part of being in the public interest,
especially in markets (as discussed in these parts earlier) that do not have
any non-network or cable OTA broadcasts?" That's where the battle between
free markets and public interests comes back into play.

 

* I'm aware this fact could launch into its own discussion that could raise
my blood pressure, for which I will simply state this fact and continue.  

.

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[TV orNotTV] Hulu Deputizes Western Sitcom for 2nd Season

[Mark Jeffries]

"Quick Draw," the improvised Western parody created, showrun and starring 
John Lehr of "10 Items or Less," placed in the streaming service's top 10 
most-streamed series during its summer run and has been renewed for a 
second season of 10 eps for next year:

http://www.thewrap.com/quick-draw-gets-second-season-order-hulu/

For the record, Hulu is still following the standard TV model of putting up 
a new ep weekly instead of the all-episodes-at-once approach of Netflix.

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[TV orNotTV] Netflix Acquires Egypt Protest Doc

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As further proof that the streamers want to be the new HBO, they are 
getting into the doc biz by acquiring "The Square," the award-winning look 
at the 2012 protests that caused governmental shifts in Egypt--it's 
currently playing an Oscar-eligibility run in NY and LA, but will premiere 
on Netflix early next year (I suspect during Oscar voting, if it gets 
nominated for Documentary Feature):

http://www.thewrap.com/netflix-acquires-first-original-documentary-square/

Back in their DVDs-sent-by-mail days, Netflix did bankroll some docs 
through their now-defunct Red Envelope production company, most notably 
Kirby Dick's attack on the MPAA ratings system "This Film is Not Yet Rated."

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Leno calls rivalry w/Letterman 'tabloid creation'

[Joe Hass]

I think think matches the end of The War Of Late Night and the Jay/Dave
paradigm: Jay looks up to Dave, Dave looks down at Jay, but neither do it
with a high level of reverence or disgust, and at the end of the day,
they're both rich.


On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Bob in Jersey wrote:

> On his show Friday, Jay had the tables turned on him by *Watch What
> Happens Live*'s Andy Cohen, who talked him into a round of "Plead The
> Fifth"... video linked at:
>
>
> http://www.thewrap.com/jay-leno-david-letterman-like-still-makes-laugh-video/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Simpsons audible?

[Joe Hass]

I don't know if you're being sarcastic, but that crossed my mind, since
Gordie isn't of sound mind anymore and Colleen died four years ago. But I
would assume that any contract to use Mr Hockey's likeness would last in
perpetuity.

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Pete Ahles  wrote:

> Maybe they were afraid of Gordie Howe.
>

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Re: [TV orNotTV] FCC considering eliminating sports blackout rules

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On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:33 PM,  wrote:

>
> I'd like to hear even one example (even a far-fetched one) of how the
> blackout rules have ever been "in the public interest."
>

I'd say the initial idea when the rule was creating: that prohibiting
blacking out home games in their own market allowed fans of all types to be
able to see the games, even if they couldn't afford the tickets. Given the
amount of money that communities give towards the building of these
facilities*, they become de facto in the public interest. Even Dollar Bill
Wirtz would let the very-rare sold-out Blackhawks games air.

That said, the rule is now utterly obsolete. Now the question becomes "does
the FCC consider OTA broadcasts part of being in the public interest,
especially in markets (as discussed in these parts earlier) that do not
have any non-network or cable OTA broadcasts?" That's where the battle
between free markets and public interests comes back into play.

* I'm aware this fact could launch into its own discussion that could raise
my blood pressure, for which I will simply state this fact and continue.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Simpsons audible?

[Mark Jeffries]

Since we know that the syndicated reruns are now all-cash and are scheduled 
by the individual stations instead of satellite-fed, I suspect that there 
were stations that scheduled that episode to run during sweeps--I could 
even see some stations doing a "Mrs. Krabappel Week in Tribute to Marcia 
Wallace" and they didn't want their ratings to be hurt by the network 
airing the same episode.

On Monday, November 4, 2013 12:58:21 PM UTC-6, Joe Hass wrote:
>
> I would love to know what these "technical issues" were, because I can't 
> imagine what would become "uncleared" in 20 years? 
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 6:30 PM, David Bruggeman 
> > wrote:
>
>> Per the EW, there were 'technical issues' in clearing "Bart The Lover"
>>
>> http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/10/31/simpsons-marcia-wallace-tribute
>>
>> And no interruptions from football.
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Nov 3, 2013, at 7:25 PM, David Bruggeman > 
>> wrote:
>>
>> With 10 minutes before the 7:30 Simpsons repeat, my DVR is now showing a 
>> different episode scheduled than the previously announced "Bart the Lover."
>>
>> Still focused on Edna, the (possibly joined in progress in the East) new 
>> rerun is "The Ned-liest Catch"
>>
>> David
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Simpsons audible?

[Pete Ahles]

Maybe they were afraid of Gordie Howe.


Pete



On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Joe Hass  wrote:

> I would love to know what these "technical issues" were, because I can't
> imagine what would become "uncleared" in 20 years?
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 6:30 PM, David Bruggeman  wrote:
>
>> Per the EW, there were 'technical issues' in clearing "Bart The Lover"
>>
>> http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/10/31/simpsons-marcia-wallace-tribute
>>
>> And no interruptions from football.
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Nov 3, 2013, at 7:25 PM, David Bruggeman  wrote:
>>
>> With 10 minutes before the 7:30 Simpsons repeat, my DVR is now showing a
>> different episode scheduled than the previously announced "Bart the Lover."
>>
>> Still focused on Edna, the (possibly joined in progress in the East) new
>> rerun is "The Ned-liest Catch"
>>
>> David
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Simpsons audible?

[Joe Hass]

I would love to know what these "technical issues" were, because I can't
imagine what would become "uncleared" in 20 years?


On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 6:30 PM, David Bruggeman  wrote:

> Per the EW, there were 'technical issues' in clearing "Bart The Lover"
>
> http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/10/31/simpsons-marcia-wallace-tribute
>
> And no interruptions from football.
>
> David
>
> On Nov 3, 2013, at 7:25 PM, David Bruggeman  wrote:
>
> With 10 minutes before the 7:30 Simpsons repeat, my DVR is now showing a
> different episode scheduled than the previously announced "Bart the Lover."
>
> Still focused on Edna, the (possibly joined in progress in the East) new
> rerun is "The Ned-liest Catch"
>
> David
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RE: [TV orNotTV] FCC considering eliminating sports blackout rules

[doug]

Now wait just a second...Clyburn saying "the rules [are] no longer in the public interest" implies that they previously *were* considered in the public interest.  In what way?  I always understood the blackout rules were in effect to protect the NFL and the team owners, under the assumption that providing free television access to home games would cut into ticket sales.  I'd like to hear even one example (even a far-fetched one) of how the blackout rules have ever been "in the public interest."Doug FieldsTampa, FL  (go Bucs!) 


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Subject: [TV orNotTV] FCC considering eliminating sports blackout rules
From: "K.M. Richards" 
Date: Mon, November 04, 2013 1:11 pm
To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com

Acting Chair Mignon Clyburn says "changes in the marketplace" (namely, high ticket prices at venues) may make the rules no longer in the public interest.  But the leagues can still negotiate with broadcasters, cable and satellite to create and enforce blackout rules of their own:http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2013/db1101/DOC-323842A1.pdf  





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Re: [TV orNotTV] Conan's 20th

[Jim Ellwanger]

On Nov 4, 2013, at 9:37 AM, M-D November wrote:

> Huh. Interesting. Just "Late Night", huh? So we're just going to pretend 
> those 9 months at 11:35 didn't exist - like a prom night dumpster baby*?

They did acknowledge, and run a clip package for, "The Tonight Show with Conan 
O'Brien" on "Conan."

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[TV orNotTV] FCC considering eliminating sports blackout rules

[K.M. Richards]

Acting Chair Mignon Clyburn says "changes in the marketplace" (namely, high 
ticket prices at venues) may make the rules no longer in the public 
interest.  But the leagues can still negotiate with broadcasters, cable and 
satellite to create and enforce blackout rules of their own:

http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2013/db1101/DOC-323842A1.pdf

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Idaho sportscaster does whole segment as Burgundy

[Steve Timko]

Needs to keep his day job.


On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Bob in Jersey wrote:

> Ladies and germs, Paul Gerke of KIVI in Boise. Enjoy.
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msk4AYOaYco
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[TV orNotTV] Re: Conan's 20th

[M-D November]

Huh. Interesting. Just "Late Night", huh? So we're just going to pretend 
those 9 months at 11:35 didn't exist - like a prom night dumpster baby*?

*reference worth 2pts

On Monday, November 4, 2013 1:08:12 AM UTC-5, Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:
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> NBC (Lorne Michaels) has allowed TBS to use footage of Conan's Late Night 
> to commemorate his anniversary in late night TV. Instead of a single 
> special, Conan spent the week sharing clips. And unlike most Jay Leno's 
> highlights, the gags and moments still hold up. 
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[TV orNotTV] Idaho sportscaster does whole segment as Burgundy

[Bob in Jersey]

Ladies and germs, Paul Gerke of KIVI in Boise. Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msk4AYOaYco

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[TV orNotTV] Re: Parks & Rec Feeling "Community"

[JW]

>> How many TV timeouts are there, and how long are they? That's most likely
>> the difference, not the rule books.

> With last night's Toronto/Winnipeg game in the background, I don't see a
> huge difference in TV timeouts, although there's no commercial break
after a
> post-TD kick-off.

Someone just passed this along to me. It contrasts with (I think) 5 or 6 TV
timeouts per quarter in the NFL:

According to the CFL regulations (pp. 16-17 here -
http://media.cfldb.ca/documents/appendix-e-part-3-cfl-regulations.pdf),
there are the following timeouts:

(paraphrased)

3 per quarter, each lasting 1:50
1 (a three-minute warning) in each of the second and fourth quarters, each
lasting 1:50
1 after both the first and third quarters, each lasting 2:20

So that’s 14 (assuming you count the quarter breaks), or 12 (if you don’t).

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[TV orNotTV] Re: How I Met Your... Father??

[JW]

> Scratch the guest roles part... the only item surviving from the prior
show
> could be MacLaren's.

There may be ways of stunt casting HIMYM cast members, even if the
storyline is unrelated.

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