[TV orNotTV] So Long, Kellye Nakahara

[Joe Hass]

My son knows her as The Cook from "Clue", but to everyone else, she was a
regular for the entire run of Mash, culminating in "Hey Look Me Over",
where she puts Hawkeye to shame in a devastating monologue.

Cancer, aged 72

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/kellye-nakahara-wallett-dead-actress-mash-dies-at-72-1279682

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[TV orNotTV] Washington Journal, 40 Years On

[Joe Hass]

The story behind the C-SPAN standard.

https://www.vox.com/2020/2/12/21076183/c-span-callers-history-washington-journal

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[TV orNotTV] Re: Entertainment One acquired by Hasbro

['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

Moi, Dec 30th 2019::
>
> Mostly for its kids/family properties... no clues on what happens to its 
> live-action films and series...
>
>
> https://variety.com/2019/biz/news/hasbro-entertainment-one-acquisition-3-8-billion-1203453402/
>  
> (link)
>
>
> Company brass are just lately reassuring partners that they aren't giving 
up on drama, but expanding it...

https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/entertainment-one-drama-hasbro-bought-business-to-expand-1203505588/
 
(link)

B

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Re: [TV orNotTV] OT: congrats

[ko...@frontiernet.net]

 Congratulations!  
Karen Owen
On Sunday, February 16, 2020, 09:49:45 PM EST, Tom Wolper 
 wrote:  
 
 Congratulations and best of luck in the future.
Tom

On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 9:22 PM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV 
 wrote:

 I'll pile on with the congratulations.  I'm sure a suitable venue can be found.
Best,
David

On Sunday, February 16, 2020, 2:36:58 PM EST, PGage  
wrote:  
 
 Malzel Tov Kevin! If she is not already perhaps she will join our list and 
help us out with you.
On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 10:49 AM Brad Beam  wrote:


May all your collies stay unmolested.

 

Salud!

 

From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Kevin M.
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 23:39
To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] OT: congrats

 

Thanks. My only regret is the wedding can’t take place in Studio One at the old 
NBC Burbank facility. 

 

On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 4:15 PM Doug Eastick  wrote:


I saw on The Book of Face that one of our long term members has become engaged 
to be married this year.  Announced on today on Valentine's Day.   I great big 
congrats to that Long Term Outspoken Opinionated member of the list.

 

Shannon Doherty should now be relieved.

Dick Clark will not be hosting a reception for them.

 

 

 

 

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Re: [TV orNotTV] OT: congrats

[Eric Duckman]

Congratulations and all the best to you both!

On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 at 12:36, PGage  wrote:

> Malzel Tov Kevin! If she is not already perhaps she will join our list and
> help us out with you.
>
> On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 10:49 AM Brad Beam  wrote:
>
>> May all your collies stay unmolested.
>>
>>
>>
>> Salud!
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Kevin M.
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 14, 2020 23:39
>> *To:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [TV orNotTV] OT: congrats
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks. My only regret is the wedding can’t take place in Studio One at
>> the old NBC Burbank facility.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 4:15 PM Doug Eastick  wrote:
>>
>> I saw on The Book of Face that one of our long term members has become
>> engaged to be married this year.  Announced on today on Valentine's Day.
>>  I great big congrats to that Long Term Outspoken Opinionated member of the
>> list.
>>
>>
>>
>> Shannon Doherty should now be relieved.
>>
>> Dick Clark will not be hosting a reception for them.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Death of Caroline Flack [Was: Love Island" host steps down]

[Tom Wolper]

On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 6:05 AM Adam Bowie  wrote:

> I can't begin to think about how tough it must be to be a young person in
> today's world of social media. While bullying has always happened, at least
> you could largely leave it behind at the school gates at the end of the
> day. Today it's 24/7 with jokes and memes being shared, to which you may or
> may not be privy.
> 
>

In a podcast episode I listened to about internet addiction, the guest
pointed out that if anyone over 40 (or maybe 50 at this point) was told by
authority that they were completely banned from all social media apps and
websites, we would be able to shrug it off and go back to how we dealt with
the world before social media existed. If a 15 year old were to be
similarly banned, they would experience acute isolation because that is the
way their peers communicate with each other and share things.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Death of Caroline Flack [Was: Love Island" host steps down]

[Adam Bowie]

Correction:

Reading a little more about Caroline Flack, I realise that I was wrong to
say that she had not talked about her suffer mental health issues in public
previously. In fact she had, been quite public about some of those issues.

I don't think that this was necessarily a case of mental health
stigmatisation. But it might well be a case of lack of responsibility
towards a person who has been very honest about her own issues.

On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 11:04 AM Adam Bowie  wrote:

> I can't begin to think about how tough it must be to be a young person in
> today's world of social media. While bullying has always happened, at least
> you could largely leave it behind at the school gates at the end of the
> day. Today it's 24/7 with jokes and memes being shared, to which you may or
> may not be privy.
>
> I think that this was indeed more a case of toxic social media culture -
> and also tabloid press culture - than anything else. The mental health
> angle seems to come from a view that if someone takes their own life, they
> must have had mental health issues. "What were the signs that we missed?"
>
> You're certainly better placed than me to understand this, although I
> suspect that like everything, it's not as simple as that.
>
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 3:17 AM PGage  wrote:
>
>> I treat depressed and suicidal patients every day, and frequently have to
>> decide whether to involuntarily hospitalize people. So I have a deep
>> interest in these issues. I run a group for depressed young adults (18-25),
>> and a frequent topic is the impact of social media in a number of ways. If
>> you are 21 years old today you pretty much have only known a world defined
>> by Twitter and Instagram and whatever else I don’t even know.  Also, even
>> though they are not famous, it seems everyone is something of a celebrity
>> within their social media world, and if a young adult with 500 Twitter
>> followers reads 20 nasty tweets about themselves around midnight, they lie
>> in bed feeling that “every one” in the world hates them. And sometimes,
>> interacting with life stress and history of trauma or loss, they can get
>> convinced that there is no point in going on.
>>
>> But sometimes they also report that when people hear about their MH
>> problems this itself becomes a focus of online attacks, which even further
>> demoralizes them. I was just wondering if this tragic event was more a case
>> of the first thing (toxic social media culture), which sounds like it was
>> or the second (mental health stigmatization) which sounds like maybe it
>> wasn’t.
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 5:14 PM Adam Bowie  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not aware that she had any specific mental health issues - at least
>>> none that were widely reported. But the implication that is being widely
>>> insinuated is that it was pressure from the press or social media that
>>> drove her to take the path she did.
>>>
>>> In general, I think the over-riding tone is that we are becoming
>>> increasingly nasty about one another, whether for commercial clicks or in
>>> the way we interact in social media.
>>>
>>> I think you have to look at this too in the light of the decisions made
>>> by Harry and Meghan to effectively step away from Royal Family duties. Not
>>> nearly as serious, but again a widespread (and I believe accurate) belief
>>> that whatever privileges come with being a member of the Royal household,
>>> the press has driven them to this.
>>>
>>> I thought this Tweet written by British comedian David Baddiel captures
>>> it all really well:
>>>
>>> https://twitter.com/Baddiel/status/1228751397664980992
>>>
>>> (Baddiel himself was the subject of a lot of social media hate for his
>>> views of the outgoing Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn and his failure to deal
>>> with anti-semitic factions within his party.)
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 1:03 AM PGage  wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for this Adam (and to Brad for the link to the video summary),
 it does help me get a sense of what is going on.

 What I am still unclear about is this: Was Ms Flack known to have
 mental health struggles prior to her death, and was this part of what she
 was being bullied about? Or are people saying after the fact that the media
 should have known or suspected she had such problems?

 Either way of course no excuse for just treating her badly, but the
 issue of toxic and gang social media culture, while important, seems
 separate from the issue of how mental health issues are treated. The two
 issues seem to be connected in this case and I am trying to understand why.

 On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 4:52 PM Adam Bowie 
 wrote:

> It's unlikely that most of this group will know who she is unless they
> watch the UK original version of Love Island which I think is on Netflix
> Stateside, where I believe it does fairly well. And I should preface all 
> of
> this by saying that I never watched Love 

Re: [TV orNotTV] Death of Caroline Flack [Was: Love Island" host steps down]

[Adam Bowie]

I can't begin to think about how tough it must be to be a young person in
today's world of social media. While bullying has always happened, at least
you could largely leave it behind at the school gates at the end of the
day. Today it's 24/7 with jokes and memes being shared, to which you may or
may not be privy.

I think that this was indeed more a case of toxic social media culture -
and also tabloid press culture - than anything else. The mental health
angle seems to come from a view that if someone takes their own life, they
must have had mental health issues. "What were the signs that we missed?"

You're certainly better placed than me to understand this, although I
suspect that like everything, it's not as simple as that.

On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 3:17 AM PGage  wrote:

> I treat depressed and suicidal patients every day, and frequently have to
> decide whether to involuntarily hospitalize people. So I have a deep
> interest in these issues. I run a group for depressed young adults (18-25),
> and a frequent topic is the impact of social media in a number of ways. If
> you are 21 years old today you pretty much have only known a world defined
> by Twitter and Instagram and whatever else I don’t even know.  Also, even
> though they are not famous, it seems everyone is something of a celebrity
> within their social media world, and if a young adult with 500 Twitter
> followers reads 20 nasty tweets about themselves around midnight, they lie
> in bed feeling that “every one” in the world hates them. And sometimes,
> interacting with life stress and history of trauma or loss, they can get
> convinced that there is no point in going on.
>
> But sometimes they also report that when people hear about their MH
> problems this itself becomes a focus of online attacks, which even further
> demoralizes them. I was just wondering if this tragic event was more a case
> of the first thing (toxic social media culture), which sounds like it was
> or the second (mental health stigmatization) which sounds like maybe it
> wasn’t.
>
> On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 5:14 PM Adam Bowie  wrote:
>
>> I'm not aware that she had any specific mental health issues - at least
>> none that were widely reported. But the implication that is being widely
>> insinuated is that it was pressure from the press or social media that
>> drove her to take the path she did.
>>
>> In general, I think the over-riding tone is that we are becoming
>> increasingly nasty about one another, whether for commercial clicks or in
>> the way we interact in social media.
>>
>> I think you have to look at this too in the light of the decisions made
>> by Harry and Meghan to effectively step away from Royal Family duties. Not
>> nearly as serious, but again a widespread (and I believe accurate) belief
>> that whatever privileges come with being a member of the Royal household,
>> the press has driven them to this.
>>
>> I thought this Tweet written by British comedian David Baddiel captures
>> it all really well:
>>
>> https://twitter.com/Baddiel/status/1228751397664980992
>>
>> (Baddiel himself was the subject of a lot of social media hate for his
>> views of the outgoing Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn and his failure to deal
>> with anti-semitic factions within his party.)
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 1:03 AM PGage  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for this Adam (and to Brad for the link to the video summary), it
>>> does help me get a sense of what is going on.
>>>
>>> What I am still unclear about is this: Was Ms Flack known to have mental
>>> health struggles prior to her death, and was this part of what she was
>>> being bullied about? Or are people saying after the fact that the media
>>> should have known or suspected she had such problems?
>>>
>>> Either way of course no excuse for just treating her badly, but the
>>> issue of toxic and gang social media culture, while important, seems
>>> separate from the issue of how mental health issues are treated. The two
>>> issues seem to be connected in this case and I am trying to understand why.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 4:52 PM Adam Bowie  wrote:
>>>
 It's unlikely that most of this group will know who she is unless they
 watch the UK original version of Love Island which I think is on Netflix
 Stateside, where I believe it does fairly well. And I should preface all of
 this by saying that I never watched Love Island, and I don't make a habit
 of reading the tabloid press - online or offline.

 Caroline Flack was a TV presenter, who started out presenting kids
 shows before doing other things. She also did well in a series of Strictly
 Come Dancing (aka Dancing With the Stars) a few seasons ago. Love Island,
 you may know, is something of a hit for ITV2 getting the channel its
 biggest ratings.

 Anyway, towards the end of last year, she was arrested for assaulting
 her boyfriend. It all caused quite a tabloid media frenzy, and with a first
 winter cycle of