Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: 'Price' First Out of TV City Before Renovation

[David Lynch]

Press Your Luck has already moved to Haven Studios, taping this week and
next according to On Camera Audiences. (Although I assume that's based on
the assumption that Elizabeth Banks' voice improves from what we heard at
the Oscars last night.) I think that was the only one of ABC's game shows
that taped at Television City, but Fremantle-owned Celebrity Family Feud is
also moving to Haven when it tapes its next season. Presumably To Tell The
Truth will as well when/if it records more episodes, but there has been a
full season that's been sitting unaired for over a year.

On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 12:40 PM Diner  wrote:

> Press Your Luck has always taped at Television City, except for the
> pandemic-affected Season 3, which was done at Radford.
> Pyramid and The Chase tape at Radford.
>
>
> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 12:57:28 PM UTC-5 M-D November wrote:
>
>> Don't some of the ABC primetime game shows (Pyramid, PyL, etc.) also tape
>> at Television City?
>>
>> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 12:22:39 PM UTC-5 Mark Jeffries wrote:
>>
>>> The venerable CBS game show will begin its 52nd season in the fall at
>>> the new Haven Studios in Glendale after 51 years in Studio 33 (aka "The Bob
>>> Barker Studio") as Television City Studios in the Fairfax District
>>> undergoes a $1.25B renovation project that will double the number of
>>> studios and modernize facilities--network and production company stablemate
>>> "Let's Make a Deal" will also move to Haven from its current home in Van
>>> Nuys,  and no indication if the show will go back to a fuller audience
>>> after two pandemic-induced years of seating pre-selected contestants and
>>> their families in pods (which have increased lately), a year before that of
>>> no audience with the pre-selected contestants standing in the hallway
>>> wearing masks until George Gray called their name and three years of
>>> extremely obvious sweetening:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://deadline.com/2023/03/the-price-is-right-move-production-television-city-renovations-1235283050/
>>>
>>> As for the other current shows in TV City (Corden, who's ending, "Y,"
>>> "B," Maher, "Idol," "Dancing with the Stars," maybe the "@midnight"
>>> reboot), no indication yet, although I would not be surprised if the Bell
>>> family soaps move to Sony (even if "B" isn't owned by Sony).
>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: CBS reviewing captioning policy after Bad Bunny issue at Grammys

[David Lynch]

Plus, I imagine that PBS in general is more conscientious about that kind
of thing, as well as the show being produced in Texas.

On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 3:43 AM JW  wrote:

> > The one program I watch that takes care to use Spanish captions is
> "Austin
> > City Limits," which has had one or two Spanish language acts per season
> for
> > the last few years.
>
> To be fair, ACL has a lot more time between recording and broadcast than
> the couple hours of a late night show.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Mini review: The Wheel

[David Lynch]

What I’ve said about Michael McIntyre for American audiences is that his 
closest American equivalent is Jimmy Fallon. Goofy, has a lot of famous 
friends, very "love him or hate him” appeal to the masses, but he gets 
eyeballs. I assume McIntyre insisted on hosting but I think it would have been 
a lot better with Fallon, because actually knows who the hell these people are 
and can work with that a little more. And maybe get some higher-wattage 
celebrities.

> On Dec 21, 2022, at 11:08, Adam Bowie  wrote:
> 
> Michael McIntyre has a pretty decent following in the UK. His big Saturday 
> night show was filmed in large theatres like the London Palladium and 
> featured various bits like "Text All" where he took a celebrity guest's phone 
> and sent a bizarre message (designed to elicit a response) from all that 
> celeb's celebrity friends. He also snuck into people's homes in the middle of 
> the night, creeping up the stairs with the collusion of a partner to host 
> "Midnight Gameshow" in their bedroom. You can find all this on YouTube I've 
> no doubt.
> 
> That all stopped for the pandemic and The Wheel seems to avoid many issues 
> with everyone naturally distanced. 
> 
> To be honest, the show is pretty popular in the UK, although it's a function 
> of the guests they have on. The contestants seem to have been screened so 
> that nobody who might be good on a proper quiz show like Jeopardy is on it. 
> It's not a gameshow for smart people! This is closer to Price is Right 
> territory - and that may be being unfair to that show's contestants!
> 
> McIntyre is popular, filling arenas for his stand-up tours with a very 
> mainstream sense of humour. He's in no way edgy - see also Peter Kay who's 
> bizarrely popular in a similar vein. I'm pretty sure that most of McIntyre's 
> TV work is really to ensure that he can continue to fill those very 
> profitable arenas (the profit for a stand-up compared with a band filling the 
> same venue for often similar amounts must be vastly bigger).
> 
> Personally I can very much leave him, although his TV show "bits" are good. 
> The Wheel is not great, and without most US viewers being aware of who he is, 
> I'm not sure how it'll work. 
> 
> Incidentally, the big hit new format in the UK right now is a remake of a 
> Dutch format called The Traitors. I've not watched it, but it's doing 
> enormously well. I see a US version is coming to Peacock in January. That 
> feels like the wrong venue to me - NBC would have been a better bet. 
> Stripping it across a few weeks and getting people talking about it is the 
> way to go.
> 
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> On Wed, 21 Dec 2022, 15:02 Mark Jeffries,  > wrote:
>> McIntyre almost said as much about "1 in 3" at the top of the Monday night 
>> show.
>> 
>> And I saw that there's a credit for an audience warmup guy.  It seems to me 
>> that like the British version, there's no real audience (it was said that 
>> the reason for "The Wheel" was that McIntyre's regular show is so dependent 
>> on audience participation that they couldn't do it during the pandemic).  
>> Why would they have a warmup guy for Christian Shrader's laptop (and the 
>> same for the U.S. "The Chase," which also has a warmup man credit and I've 
>> actually seen a video that reveals that there's no audience)?
>> 
>> Mark Jeffries
>> spotligh...@gmail.com 
>> 
>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 12:50 AM Jim Ellwanger > > wrote:
>>> A couple of other notes I have to pass along...
>>> 
>>> - These shows were taped in October 2021.
>>> 
>>> - Michael McIntyre, the host, often complained about having to repeatedly 
>>> say "it's one in three, who's it gonna be," saying that NBC forced him to 
>>> have a rhyming catchphrase.
>>> 
>>> - McIntyre also pointed out that, in trying to sell the show overseas, 
>>> they'd emphasized to NBC that it was the highest-rated show on British 
>>> television in 2020... but didn't mention that when it aired, it was really 
>>> the only show airing new episodes.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 20, 2022, at 11:01 AM, Melissa P >>> > wrote:
 
 Thanks for that explanation. I had no idea who Nikki Bella was. Guess I 
 could’ve googled. 
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
> On Dec 20, 2022, at 1:21 PM, M-D November  > wrote:
> 
> Nikki's fine until she opens her mouth and you remember that one of her 
> major weaknesses in WWE was her total inability to cut a promo worth half 
> a damn. You'd think the time she'd have picked SOMETHING up from John 
> Cena for all the time they were together.
> 
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 10:38:55 AM UTC-5 Mark Jeffries wrote:
>> It's stupid in a harmless way.  And if you like mammary glands there's 
>> Nikki Bella.
>> 
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>> 
>> On Mon, Dec 19, 

Re: [TV orNotTV] Inside Jeopardy podcast

[David Lynch]

I don’t know if it would be that much work to track in real time who gets what 
clue. You’d just need a paper copy of the printed grid to write down who 
answered what clue correctly, and I kind of assume they already have someone 
taking detailed notes about what clues have been played and who got them 
right/wrong in case there’s a technical glitch or a discrepancy in the scoring.

> On Oct 18, 2022, at 19:54, PGage  wrote:
> 
> I was wondering about just this issue when watching Chris on that category. 
> Ken did give him the “You ran that category” acknowledgement,  and aside from 
> anything else it seemed like eventually it would be a hell of a lot of work 
> for somebody to keep track throughout an entire board to see if one player 
> happened to get all the clues right when wildly out of order.
> 
> On Tue, 18 Oct 2022 at 3:25 PM Tom Wolper  > wrote:
> I haven’t given up on the podcast just yet. I plan to listen through the 
> tournament of champions and then decide.
> 
> Two things from this week’s episode: when a contestant runs a category it 
> will only get recognized if the clues are responded to in sequence, in any 
> order. Last week Chris was bouncing around the board and managed to get 
> correct responses to all of the clues in a category in a fragmented way. The 
> producers decided that would no longer be recognized as a run.
> 
> In the Q someone asked about the minute warning. The producers are trying 
> to be as flexible as possible with the time for each board and gain nothing 
> by leaving clues unchosen. They can edit down the interviews for time but 
> they have a time limit to finish a round. The one minute warning is a 
> producer’s call and not set to a specific time.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Of course he went there: Oliver rips D!ck Wolf

[David Lynch]

On Sep 13, 2022, at 03:36, Adam Bowie  wrote:
> 
> Worth noting that just because he's a US citizen, that doesn't prevent him 
> from also remaining a UK citizen. I'd be amazed if he didn't hang onto both 
> passports if for no other reason than getting into either country is much 
> easier with the a local passport. 

>From my understanding as the child of a UK-born naturalized American, he 
>exists in a quantum superposition—he both is and is not a British citizen. The 
>US requires you to say you’re giving up your other citizenship(s) when you 
>become naturalized, so Washington would say that he’s a US citizen and only a 
>US citizen. UK law either explicitly says that natural-born citizens can’t 
>give up their citizenship or doesn’t provide a practical means to do it, so 
>His Majesty’s Government still considers him a citizen. You aren’t required to 
>give up your old passport when being naturalized, but applying for a new one 
>or using other benefits of citizenship such as voting has been used against 
>people who found themselves in trouble for other reasons.

Personally, I’m just kind of pissed off that the Home Office won’t let me get a 
British passport either because they respect the US stance on 
multiple-nationality or have been pushed into it by a treaty, even though I 
would be eligible for one in the majority of other countries.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] "Live PD" ripped off, suit says

[David Lynch]

Given that the producers ripped themselves off, I imagine that it was
pretty clear that A+E owns everything about the original Live PD and the
question is whether what they own is specific enough to be enforceable and
also general enough that On Patrol Live is infringement.

On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 10:33 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
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> I mean, seriously, the same hosts (e.g. G_dd@mned f___ing Dan Abrams),
> content, format? Who really owns the IP here? Network or production company?
>
> https://ew.com/tv/ae-sues-reelz-calling-on-patrol-live-blatant-rip-off-live-pd/
> 
>  (link)
>B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Vince McMahon temporarily stepping aside

[David Lynch]

Big-time liability. Apparently, they filed something with the SEC saying that 
they’re going to have to amend their financial reports to reflect Vince’s 
payouts as corporate expenses, meaning that they knowingly misstated financials 
as a public company.

> On Jul 25, 2022, at 11:01, M-D November  wrote:
> 
> Oh, it still matters.  The misconduct VKM is accused of happened on company 
> time, in his position as CEO (and possibly Chairman - not sure how many of 
> the accusations occurred after WWE went public), so even though he's no 
> longer working for WWE, he's exposed the company to severe legal liability.
> 
> On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:49:35 PM UTC-4 Bob Jersey wrote:
> The temporary has become permanent. Like the old song went, I guess it 
> doesn't matter anymore...
> https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/22/vince-mcmahon-retires-as-chief-of-wwe-amid-probes-into-alleged-misconduct.html
>  
> 
>  (link) B
> 
> M-D November, to moi, June 17th:
> The dirt sheets are reporting that VKM will be on WWE SmackDown! tonight to 
> address his 'stepping away' from his role of Chairman/CEO, but indications 
> are it will be an in-character promo, so it's doubtful we'll get any 
> new/honest information.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] CBS shufflin' breakfast shows in L.A.

[David Lynch]

KCBS has been solidly last-place in the ratings in the morning for a while and 
I hear KCAL has a better reputation despite being literally the same operation, 
so I guess they’re going to try to goose the network’s viewing numbers by 
adding a few thousand more viewers in LA.

They’ve also got the CBS Evening News live at 3:30 PT and then again in its 
usual slot at 6:30. Given the way the local morning shows are ratings 
juggernauts for KTLA and KTTV (Fox) against their tape-delayed network 
counterparts, I’m surprised neither of them has (to my knowledge) put a 
national/world focus on their 6:30 half-hour and spun it as more up to date and 
with less of a northeast corridor bias.

> On Jul 13, 2022, at 09:20, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sometime this fall...
> -- KCAL/9 will go wall-to-wall local news 4-11am...
> -- CBS2 will show "CBS Mornings" LIVE 4-6am, followed by a simulcast of KCAL 
> 6-7, then the West Coast version of "Mornings" 7-9...
> 
> "As the KCAL newsroom grows, there are also plans to rev up the volume of 
> original shows and enterprise reporting done for the CBSLA.com streaming 
> platform, which launched as a 24/7 news feed in June 2019," said CBS L.A. 
> prez/GM Joel Vilmenay...
> 
> https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/kcal-morning-news-first-kcbs-mornings-1235314324/
>  
> 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Larry Storch, 99 - R.I.P.

[David Lynch]

On Jul 8, 2022, at 10:40, Marti Lawrence  wrote:
> 
> Also gone is Gregory Itzin, who played the President on 24
> https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/gregory-itzin-dead-dies-24-president-logan-1235311835/
> 
> ~Marti

And he played a part in one of the more infamous moments on the short-lived but 
cult-favorite 1978 game show Whew!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYyUzgHJxfw=663s

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Bialik COVID-positive

[David Lynch]

On Jun 22, 2022, at 04:48, 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV 
 wrote:
> 
> On the subject of alternate hosts, there's rumors/speculation that Buzzy 
> Cohen, of whom I'm not a particular fan, will be brought back to host the 
> Celebrity editions.
> Take it with more than a grain of salt.
> 
> https://uproxx.com/tv/jeopardy-buzzy-cohen-hosting-rumors/
> 
> --Dave Sikula

He doesn’t have a personality that made me want to root for him as a contestant 
but I think he was better as a host than Mayim or Mike Richards.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] 'Live PD' is Back

[David Lynch]

I'm rather disgusted by how this tries to pin the cancelation on the mood
in the country in general, when the event that precipitated the
cancellation was when it became apparent that they had intentionally
destroyed the video evidence in the case of the Williamson County, Texas
deputies they were filming tasering a man to death, on the orders of the
sheriff.

On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 1:32 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> It may be called "On Patrol:  Live," but Dan Abrams admits that it will be
> essentially the same show that was pulled off A in 2020 post-George
> Floyd--it's headed for Reelz, the Hubbard Broadcasting owned Cable and FAST
> streamer channel owned by Hubbard Broadcasting that was originally "TV for
> Movie Lovers" but is basically now true crime and celebrity scandal
> docs--no premiere date set:
>
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/live-pd-revived-reelz-on-patrol-live-1235161208/
>
> For the record, "Cops," the other police reality show pulled off the air
> in 2020 post-Floyd, is back in first run on the Fox News sister streamer
> Fox Nation.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Bravo shows to hit Peacock next-day

[David Lynch]

Expect more of this as Comcast prepares to sell its share of Hulu in 2024
to Disney, which will then have 100% control. A friend who knows more about
the business than me says she figures Disney will keep the brand around for
more adult stuff that doesn't fit the main Disney brand but the actual
service will be folded into Disney+.

On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 9:25 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
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> Starting this fall. Bye, Hulu.
>
> Also, Lionsgate features in their Pay-2 window, beginning with this year's
> titles, head to the 'Cock, and "Bel-Air" hits new records for new
> subscribers, usage and upgrades.
>
>
> https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/peacock-will-stream-bravo-shows-next-day-inks-lionsgate-movie-deal-1235255676/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Ex-Chief weighs in on the J! hosting situation

[David Lynch]

I think Ken has improved and started making the job his own as he gets more 
comfortable, but Mayim seems to be approaching it like an actress who’s working 
from a script — she’ll use the same wording or hit the same emotional beats 
every time. My go-to example of that is treating the third Final Jeopardy wager 
as suspenseful even if it’s not relevant to the outcome.

It wouldn’t be horrible if she got the job full-time but I have a strong 
preference for Ken.


> On Feb 20, 2022, at 17:21, PGage  wrote:
> 
> I dislike her less than I did originally. I like Ken even more.
> 
> I have nothing to add about her styling, but appreciate Melissa’s clear and 
> accurate use of comparison and contrast.
> 
> On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 at 2:54 PM Melissa P  > wrote:
> I like the job she's doing more than you do, but I think Jennings does better.
> 
> I disagree with you -- strongly -- on her stylists.  I think they do a great 
> job dressing her and her hair.  
> 
> For comparison, Mindy Kaling's stylist also does a great job.  In contrast, 
> Kelly Clarkson's sucks.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 12:05 AM 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV 
> mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
> He's the only one. She's awful, especially in her interactions with the 
> contestants and her timing in cueing them to pick the next answer. Jennings 
> is light years better.
> 
> I get the feeling the staff doesn't think much of her, either, especially 
> given the outfits the stylists put her into.
> 
> --Dave Sikula
> 
> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 1:56:27 PM UTC-8 David Bruggeman wrote:
> TL:DR, he's come around on Mayim.
> 
> https://www.primetimer.com/barnhart/mayim-bialik-is-the-future-of-jeopardy?mc_cid=3f186cba62_eid=2ecf66baff
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: NFL Delivers Heroin Hit This Weekend

[David Lynch]

As a Chiefs fan who felt royally screwed after the 2018 (January 2019) AFC
championship came down to a very similar-feeling OT win by the Patriots,
not even being on the other side of that equation has changed my opinion
that the first possession shouldn't be sudden death. I think the current
system is fine for the regular season, but I'd like to see both teams given
a chance on offense/required to play defense when there's more at stake.

For me, it would just be a matter of changing the current rule to be the
game not ending on the first drive in the event of a field goal or a
touchdown by the team on offense. No need to go all the way to college
style overtime, which I've seen some propose.

On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 9:32 AM PGage  wrote:

> If one has to do with Overtime, I reject it sight unseen. It sucks for the
> Bills that Josh did not get to touch the ball in OT, but defense is part of
> the game too…
>
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 at 6:37 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
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>> I have an intriguing list of rules proposals that I can post if anyone is
>> interested.   B
>>
>> PGage, Jan 23rd:
>>
>>> The NFL is horrible in so many ways, but weekends like this provide the
>>> high that keeps us coming back. Four amazing games, each one literally more
>>> hearts topping and mind blowing than the last.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Sigh… RIP Betty White

[David Lynch]

I was but he died in 2020.

> On Jan 4, 2022, at 14:09, M-D November  wrote:
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> Are we not counting the abomination that was the Regis-hosted version of 
> "Password"?
> 
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> Moore, the last Golden Girl, and, as far as I’m aware, the last person to 
> emcee an episode of Password — she hosted for a week in the 70s while Allen 
> served as one of the celebrity partners.
> 
> 
>> On Dec 31, 2021, at 13:49, Kevin M. > > wrote:
>> 
> 
>> She lived it. She lived every minute of it. 
>> 
>> https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2021/12/31/iconic-actress-comedian-betty-white-dead-at-99/?amp
>>  
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Sigh… RIP Betty White

[David Lynch]

And with her, we have lost the last member of the main cast of Mary Tyler 
Moore, the last Golden Girl, and, as far as I’m aware, the last person to emcee 
an episode of Password — she hosted for a week in the 70s while Allen served as 
one of the celebrity partners.

> On Dec 31, 2021, at 13:49, Kevin M.  wrote:
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> She lived it. She lived every minute of it. 
> 
> https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2021/12/31/iconic-actress-comedian-betty-white-dead-at-99/?amp
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Sinclair Ransomware Attack

[David Lynch]

>
> Perhaps there's a Sinclair in Virginia that's been feeding copies of their
> shows up to Traverse City?)
>
Washington, DC's WJLA airs Wheel and Jeopardy. Given their proximity to
corporate HQ in suburban Baltimore, they may be getting more attention than
some of the other stations.

But even in much larger markets than Traverse City, they're still not
totally back to normal. At least as of yesterday evening, Austin's KEYE
still has no computer graphics in their newscasts other than the weather
segment and seems to be manually switching the newscasts and running local
ads, but otherwise, it would be hard to tell that anything was wrong.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] NBA ratings: Better than last year, not up to pre-pandemic numbers

[David Lynch]

And if you want to look at teams by home market size, Phoenix is 13th out
of 30 - still in the top half but pretty solidly in the second third.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 9:42 PM Jim Ellwanger  wrote:

> Here’s the current list of Nielsen’s Designated Market Areas - Phoenix is
> #11, so it wouldn’t qualify if you define “major market” as Top 10.
> (Milwaukee is #37.)
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_television_stations_in_North_America_by_media_market
>
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2021, at 7:37 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 7:19 PM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
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>> I know Milwaukee isn't a major market, but Phoenix is the10th biggest
>> metro in the country.  What qualifies as a major market?  Just NY, LA and
>> Chicago?
>>
>
> Seattle, Dallas, DC, Bay Area… I’m blanking on a few others… maybe Denver
>
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 14, 2021, 4:32:27 PM PDT, Steve Timko <
>> steveti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Considering neither team is a major market, the ratings aren't bad.
>>
>>
>> https://apnews.com/article/business-entertainment-sports-basketball-canada-49a80dcc4773e62ed930a50b94b3ab3d
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: “The Talk” on “The Hiatus”

[David Lynch]

The hiatus has been extended to next Tuesday after freelance journalist
Yashar Ali posted that Osbourne used racial slurs to describe Julie Chen
and homophobic slurs against Sara Gilbert. Former cohost Leah Remini went
on the record as one of the sources for both claims.

https://yashar.substack.com/p/exclusive-sharon-osbourne-frequently

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 11:37 AM Diner  wrote:

> She's been on it since day one. All eleven seasons.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Talk_(talk_show)#Timeline
>
>
> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 1:24:42 PM UTC-4 Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:
>
>> CBS is “investigating” Sharon Osborne’s defense of Piers Morgan, or they
>> are investigating Osborne’s claim she was “blindsided” by the topic,
>> despite admitting she was told the topic would be included prior to the
>> start of the show. Either way, I genuinely didn’t know Osborne was on “The
>> Talk” and now I dislike the series even more, which I did not think
>> possible.
>>
>>
>> https://deadline.com/2021/03/the-talk-hiatus-sharon-osbourne-controversy-canceled-shows-piers-morgan-1234714187/amp/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] What is Sinclair up to?

[David Lynch]

Sinclair is playing games with shell corporations and taking advantage of
loopholes in media ownership rules with most of these second stations -
technically, Sinclair owns one and a company that is only really
independent on paper owns the second (90% of WVAH's ownership is in the
name of the Sinclair founder's children) but then contracts operation back
to Sinclair.

My theory is that they think that the Biden FCC is going to crack down on
that sort of arrangement so they're transferring the most profitable
affiliations/programming to the stations they own outright before it
becomes more obvious that they're stripping the "sidecar" stations for
parts.

On Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at 9:27 AM Brad Beam  wrote:

> Well, I know the what—
>
>
>
> *Like other markets, Sinclair has two big-four stations here in town: WCHS
> 8-ABC and WVAH 11-Fox. Here in the last week, Fox has shifted to 8.2 while
> Decades has been introduced to 11.1 - and the other 8.x and 11.x
> subchannels have been reassigned in the air and on the Suddenlink dial. The
> poor Tivo programing guide is struggling to keep up.*
>
>
>
> *And if you look around the country, other Sinclair duopoly markets are
> doing this.*
>
>
>
> So... why?
>
>
>
> _   _
>
> |_>|_>  Brad Beam- Belle WV
>
> |_>|_>  http://www.facebook.com/74bmw
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: NFL: The next Steelers game, ICYMI...

[David Lynch]

I'm wondering what the ratio is between affiliate managers who are annoyed
that only some stations are getting two games to ones that are annoyed
because they're going to have to blow out a bunch of local advertising time
to make room for an out-of-market football game.

On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 9:19 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
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> JP calls BS... https://twitter.com/506sports/status/1334629717920636929 (link)
>  B
>
> On Friday, December 4, 2020 at 10:04:32 AM UTC-5 PGage wrote:
>
>> My Comcast guide for the Bay Area shows 2:00-5:00 as “To Be Announced “
>> which suggests there is some possibility the game will be shown nationwide.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Who will replace Alex Trebek on 'Jeopardy!'? Here are 7 contenders

[David Lynch]

I think Ken has a better chance of thinking it will fit into his schedule
than George Stephanopolous or Anderson Cooper. 40-odd taping days a year
plus promotional appearances isn't really a full time job, but it's a
pretty serious commitment when you add in a cross-country commute to get
there, plus whatever money or resources would be required for substitute
anchors or broadcasts from the LA bureau for days/weeks at a time.

On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 12:22 PM Jim Ellwanger 
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> In theory, he'd only have to go to L.A. twice a month, for a couple days
> at a time, for tapings -- and he's already shown that he's more than
> willing to go to L.A. for game show tapings (just this month, he's done
> both "Master Minds" and "The Chase"). Of course, the producers might be
> hoping for someone who's willing to put more time into it than that
> (promotional appearances, etc.).
>
>
> On Nov 13, 2020, at 10:15 AM, Tom Wolper  wrote:
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 12:41 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
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>
>> How is this not Jennings' to lose?
>>
>
> He may not want the job. He lives in Seattle and does a twice a week
> podcast with John Roderick. Under those circumstances it would be very
> disruptive to take on hosting duties for a game show in LA.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: US TV Election Coverage

[David Lynch]

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 8:15 PM 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Karnacki
>

This spelling of his name is giving me images of Steve Kornacki holding an
envelope up to his forehead and predicting how many votes will be in the
next drop.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Surviving "Happy Days" cast reunite to benefit Wisconsin Democrats

[David Lynch]

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 12:18 PM Doug Eastick  wrote:

> So, there have been at least two zoom re-readings of TV shows (West Wing,
> Happy Days) to support Dems.What shows would there be for Republicans?
>

On the Democratic side, we also had a Biden/Harris event featuring a bunch
of folks from Star Trek (George Takei for TOS, all of TNG except Michael
Dorn and Denise Crosby, Kate Mulgrew and Jeri Ryan from Voyager, and
several from Discovery and Picard.)

And along the Trek lines but the opposite end of the spectrum... TJ Hooker?
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: CBS' election studio being built at 1515 B'way

[David Lynch]

On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 3:06 PM M-D November  wrote:

>
> Also, it should be interesting to see what efforts they go to in order to
> obscure ABC's operations, directly across Times Square.
>
>
All of the pictures that I've seen make it look like it's a larger version
of the Evening News/Face the Nation set and won't have any of Times Square
visible from inside the studio, so all they need to do is keep their
outdoor cameras pointed towards 1515 Broadway. I have a suspicion that this
is partly born out of skittishness at having too many people at the
Broadcast Center on 57th Street.

I assume ABC won't be originating from Times Square and will instead be
using the same setup in the newly-renovated World News (Tonight) studio
that they've been using for primaries and debates.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] "TV's number-one network" don't mean much when one doesn't watch linear

[David Lynch]

Also this one from the 90s, which the CBS Orchestra riffed on when Dave
made a joke at the expense of the network.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX4iSZTvvzI

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 2:16 PM Jim Ellwanger  wrote:

> CBS had a musical stinger once upon a time:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYXWqW7ma3I
>
>
> On Oct 8, 2020, at 11:47 AM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> ...so new CBS marketing head Mike Benson, coming off a long tenure at ABC,
> seeks to emphasize the company behind the content, no matter what platform
> it's on... one way involves a 1950s-era musical signature (like "G-E-C" at
> a competitor)...
>
>
> https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/cbs-marketing-mike-benson-streaming-video-netflix-1234797032/
>  (link)
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Won’t have the C-Dub to kick around any more?

[David Lynch]

The Taskmaster YouTube channel has been posting non-geoblocked videos from
past series and, as someone who knows about 60% of the contestants on any
given series, I think it does lose something when you don't know the
competitors by reputation.

That said, the British-style panel game where the game is secondary to the
comedy doesn't seem to do so well here. But we are willing to watch
celebrities be silly if it's in the service of playing a game (see To Tell
the Truth, Match Game, and Hollywood Game Night, which are all pretty
game-forward.)

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 7:29 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> Adam Bowie, to David Risner and M-D November, in part, July 16th:
>>
>> *I see that they're showing the original Taskmaster which is one of my
>> favourite shows full stop.* I never saw the short-lived US version, but
>> for throwaway fun, Taskmaster is great. How it'll work in the US, where I
>> don't think many will recognise any of the comedians, I don't know. But
>> then I didn't have a clue who Dave Chappelle was until I saw him on
>> Netflix, so, I wouldn't let it worry you.
>>
>>>
>>>
> Not anymore.  It and "Fridge Wars" stunk in the ratings.
>
>
> https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/taskmaster-fridge-wars-cw-debut-tv-ratings-1234723652/
>  (link)
>
> Sources told Variety the net is discussing options with its producers,
> "one of which could be to move the series to its CW Seed streaming service."
>
>
> https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/taskmaster-dropped-cw-schedule-only-one-episode-1234726719/
>  (link)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Colbert leaving the house, mum on next location

[David Lynch]

>
> CBS has to have some available studio space at Black Rock. The Evening
> News moved its studio to DC last December so there is a studio with a
> state-of-the-art control room.


As others have said, there are other studios available, but the Evening
News broadcast from the same set as CBS This Morning from the 2016 election
until the show moved to DC. In the mean time, the studio cum newsroom that
the Evening News had been in since the 90s (bar a few weeks/months of
renovations in preparation for Katie Couric's tenure) was converted back to
just a newsroom.

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 9:14 AM Tom Wolper  wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 9:28 AM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> No idea.  I suppose he might have opted to not leave the house, but the
>> occasional references about his family members suggest there have been
>> comings and goings at Casa de Colbert, mainly of his kids.
>>
>> Conan hasn't gotten his mop cut either, and I think there was a window of
>> time in California where he could have had that done.
>>
>> From what I can tell of the Jimmys, they've either been getting trims, or
>> their hair doesn't go wild if it grows out.
>>
>
> CBS has to have some available studio space at Black Rock. The Evening
> News moved its studio to DC last December so there is a studio with a
> state-of-the-art control room. Since the crew working the show will be so
> small it shouldn't take much time at all to prepare a set. And since unlike
> the previous generation of talk show hosts Colbert does not own his show,
> decisions like staying at home and letting his hair grow need network
> approval.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Ratings: ‘Celebrity Family Feud’ Drops to Season Low, Still Leads ABC to Easy Win

[David Lynch]

>
> No, but if she doesn't know, she has to get it set up for the reveal. When
> Ryan loses his mind because he thinks he's crossed the threshold, it's
> Banks's job, as host, to get everyone wrangled and set up the first
> million-dollar win or close-but-no-cigar. But that's not what Banks does.
> She lets them go nuts while doing whatever she was doing. That's the flaw.
>

I'm mostly with you, but I think the edit that aired did Banks a disservice
in regards to her hosting, even if watching her emotional reaction was
riveting. From what I hear, tapings of the current edition of Press Your
Luck are pretty linear but it's nowhere near the live-to-tape of days gone
by, and it felt to me like we were seeing a moment that the film actress in
her thought would end up on the cutting room floor.

You know what the wagers are. There are eight possible outcomes. A smart
> middle schooler could design an Excel spreadsheet to show what could
> happen. How the hell does a 30-plus-year-old show not know what to do?
>

I would have sworn that I heard at one point that Alex gets one card with
the clue and correct response and another card with the wagers and what
their score would be if they get the question right/wrong, so, if that was
the case, they really should have known that it could have happened.

On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 3:30 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> It should be pointed out that in prime time television today, the star
> gets an executive producer credit whether or not s/he is actively involved
> in the show or just hitting their marks, saying their lines, taking the
> money and running.  That is true for most of ABC's Summer Fun and Games
> block.  With the exception of "Celebrity Family Feud" (a decade hosting the
> show and Steve Harvey hasn't asked for an EP credit), all of the hosts are
> what I've called in the past "trophy producers."  On "Holey Moley," it's
> Steph Curry, although Tassitore, Riggle and Mai may be asking for EP credit
> next year.  And it seems to me Adam Scott doesn't have the credit on
> "Don't" (but Ryan Reynolds does, and supposedly he's the show's creator).
> In addition, the hosts' production company gets its vanity card at the end
> of the show (in Banks' case, that would be Brownstone Productions, the only
> other card on "Press" besides the Fremantle logo).  Whether the hosts have
> that much input into the individual shows is hard to say, although I've
> always suspected that Anthony Anderson is the main reason "To Tell the
> Truth" is not being done the way Bud Collyer or Garry Moore did it.
>
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> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 1:19 PM Joe Hass  wrote:
>
>> Q1: Does the host have to know?
>> A1: No, but if she doesn't know, she has to get it set up for the reveal.
>> When Ryan loses his mind because he thinks he's crossed the threshold, it's
>> Banks's job, as host, to get everyone wrangled and set up the first
>> million-dollar win or close-but-no-cigar. But that's not what Banks does.
>> She lets them go nuts while doing whatever she was doing. That's the flaw.
>>
>> I go back to the first Jeopardy regular season tie, where the word was
>> that no one from the show appeared prepared for it. That's an *EPIC* fail.
>> You know what the wagers are. There are eight possible outcomes. A smart
>> middle schooler could design an Excel spreadsheet to show what could
>> happen. How the hell does a 30-plus-year-old show not know what to do?
>>
>> (sidebar: I know the show knows the wagers going into the FJ clue. Does
>> anyone see, in real-time, what the contestants are writing? I'd have to
>> assume the control room does with a judge in there to confirm a curveball
>> answer)
>>
>> The best equivalent off the top of my head is this: Prime Time TPIR, with
>> a pair of six-figure showcases. Contestant 1 overbids. Contestant 2
>> responds by running over to the doors as if he's already won. Drew Carey
>> doesn't immediately wrangle him back to the lectern for the reveal. That's
>> on Carey.
>>
>> Q2: Is it different because they're playing against the house?
>> A2: It's not that they're playing against the house: it's that the big
>> selling point of the second half of the game is getting to $500K. If he's
>> at $150K, no one's thinking two Teslas are $350K. But people definitely
>> think two Teslas could be $190K ($95K each).
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 12:40 PM Brad Beam  wrote:
>>
>>> *From:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Joe Hass
>>>
>>> *>*Let me take you back to the Tomarken-era PYL. When it came down to a
>>> final spin to come from behind, Peter would tell the contestant beforehand
>>> if there was no way they could win without an additional turn. The
>>> producers knew how much each of the prizes was (I'm not 100% sure how
>>> Tomarken knew: whether he had a list or if the producers communicated
>>> it to him). If there were a prize with a higher value than the 

Re: [TV orNotTV] ABC daytime talker replaced with virus-news show

[David Lynch]

That's from the 2016 Rio Olympics. According to Google Maps, the location
relative to the buildings in the background looks right for the
International Broadcast Center.
https://www.google.com/maps/@-22.9761318,-43.3947903,764m/data=!3m1!1e3

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> Where is Amy Robach doing this promo shot from? My guess is L.A.
> somewhere... Inglewood?
>
>
> https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/abc-news-coronavirus-amy-robach-strahan-sara-keke-1203536909/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] The NHL season has been paused

[David Lynch]

During the run-up to the 2016 election, the TVs at my gym went from cable
news 24/7 to whatever is/was showing sports that the staff want to put on
because they got tired of being in the middle of the debates between people
who insist on Fox News and people who hate Fox News. The TVs are mounted in
threes, and one of each trio has been on the local Fox affiliate since the
Super Bowl, another has been on TNT for basically the entire NBA season,
and the third got flipped from ESPN to CNBC on Monday.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 5:24 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 2:30 PM Chris Neuman  wrote:
>
>> Trying to decide if that says more about Fox Sports or about your gym. :)
>>
>
> I hear you.
>
>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 16:27 Kevin M.  wrote:
>>
>>> A few times, the TV in my gym’s locker room was showing bowling on Fox
>>> Sports.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 3:04 PM Jim Ellwanger 
>>> wrote:
>>>


 > On Mar 12, 2020, at 1:24 PM, Tom Wolper  wrote:
 >  I can't imagine what the sports channels are going to do.

 Speculation: classic games and documentaries. (I can easily see ESPN
 loading up the schedule with their “30 for 30” films, for example.)

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Vanna White hosts ‘Wheel of Fortune’ after Sajak has surgery

[David Lynch]

This time, they had Mickey Mouse. It was already a Disney-themed week, so they 
had a number of characters in the studio.

> On Nov 10, 2019, at 17:22, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
>  wrote:
> 
> Kevin M, to Steve Timko:
> 
> Are they removing the giant stick up Sajak’s ass?
> 
>  
> Does someone fill in for Vanna if she has to fill in for Pat?   B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Late-night mystery date

[David Lynch]

On Aug 5, 2019, at 11:48, M-D November  wrote:
> Also, don't Fallon & Colbert usually tape at the same time (or somewhere 
> thereabout)? Has anyone looked to see if the Thursday taping time for either 
> show has shifted?

That isn’t necessarily a problem. I remember at least one time when Dave, in 
his inimitable fashion, killed time waiting for one of the news anchors to make 
it over to the Ed by complaining about how he had to kill time and badgering 
his producer about whether they were there yet. I think it was Couric, but 
don’t quote me on that. 

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Quickie Review: Space Command

[David Lynch]

> On Jan 6, 2019, at 9:04 AM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Do some of the non-Earth beings in "The Orville" resemble those of other 
> series?

Yes and no. The occupants of the planets of the week are in very standard 
TNG-era “paint some spots on them or give them prosthetic noses and/or ears” 
makeup. The main ensemble has a character, Bortas, who pretty clearly started 
as a Klingon analogue (physically large, morally uptight, deep voice, lots of 
bony-looking prosthetics), but the culture of his planet has gone in very 
different directions.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] More chances to qualify for your favorite gameshows...

[David Lynch]

> On Nov 7, 2018, at 2:02 PM, Tom Wolper  wrote:
> 
> The main part of a game show host's role is to bond with the audience. The 
> contestants come and go while the host is there every night (or day). Trebek, 
> Sajak, and White all bond with an older audience. If Sony was looking to 
> build an audience for the next ten or twenty years rather than hold on for 
> the next five, now would be a good time to introduce younger hosts.

As someone who’s still in the 18-to-35 demographic for a few more weeks, I’ll 
point out that Alex, Pat, and Vanna and their respective shows have been around 
for our entire living memory. They’ve got the same televisual comfort food 
thing going on that sustained The Price Is Right after Bob Barker turned into a 
grouchy old man who occasionally forgot the rules to games that had he had been 
hosting for decades. I think the public response if it was perceived 
(accurately or not) that any of them had been pushed out would be worse than 
the damage done by keeping them on.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] David Lynch (the writer*) talks with the (UK) Guardian

[David Lynch]

> On Jun 26, 2018, at 9:54 AM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> (*as opposed to an occasional poster here, ISTR?)

I am most definitely Not That David Lynch.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] NBC’s Winter Olympics

[David Lynch]

> On Feb 25, 2018, at 9:55 PM, Tom Wolper  wrote:
> 
> NBC shows the 5:30 GMT (12:30 ET) game on NBC. The earlier games are on 
> NBCSN, CNBC, and MSNBC. So there is a choice to watch 3 games on cable. If 
> there are more games they will be on the Gold Pass paid streaming platform.

There are also dedicated cable channels, but my cable system (one of the ones 
that Charter/Spectrum picked up with Time-Warner Cable) puts them on the second 
sports tier.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Alleged Trump paramour to visit Kimmel

[David Lynch]

On Jan 31, 2018, at 8:36 AM, PGage  wrote:
> Also, I would say that JK’s monologue was a sharper critique of the SOTU 
> speech than Colbert’s. I know we have seen that Colbert’s ratings get a bump 
> when he does these live shows, but he might be better served going to CA the 
> week he wants to do that, and then tape the show a few hours after the big 
> event to give himself and writers some time to polish.


JKL’s writers didn’t have appreciably more time than LSwSC’s did. Both shows 
went out at 11:35 Eastern, regardless of what time zone it was where the show 
was being recorded.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Annoying new trend on The Late Show

[David Lynch]

My experience at a Jeopardy taping where a family member was a contestant
also included an extended break after the first round to re-read a pop
music clue multiple times because neither Alex nor the booth could find an
intonation that they liked for the song title "Make Me Like You" because
there were two different ways to interpret "like" and either interpretation
creates one of those English sentences where adding a stress to any word
changes the meaning significantly.

By the last few years of Barker's run, the commercial load had increased to
the point where his insistence about being live to tape led him to start
badgering contestants about hurrying up and making a decision. The taping
from the Drew Carey era I went to was not so much "live-to-tape" as "one
take, edited for time." Some of the breaks between segments seemed
significantly longer in the studio than on the air, and Drew never seemed
outwardly concerned about the timing, but it's nothing like the stories
that I've heard about some of the 00s prime time game shows where some of
them would take several hours to shoot a single episode because there were
multiple takes of everything that wasn't directly deciding the outcome.

On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 10:19 AM, Jim Ellwanger 
wrote:

>
>
> > On Jan 28, 2018, at 12:47 AM, 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >
> > In the experience of both myself and my wife, "Jeopardy" taped in real
> time with one exception; even though everything else takes the time it
> takes on the broadcast, players get as much time as they need to calculate
> their Final Jeopardy wagers. In my second game, one of the other players
> had a discrepancy between what he had written down and what he told the PAs
> he was wagering. They have to double-check it so that someone doesn't say,
> "Yes, I know I wrote down $15,000, but I actually meant to bet $15,500."
>
> They'll also stop tape when a contestant hits a Daily Double -- or extend
> a commercial break -- if the judges are still trying to determine if a
> previous response is acceptable. And the contestant interviews are
> sometimes edited for time.
>
> That said, I'm sure game shows being taped in real-time is more due to the
> efforts of the producers, rather than the host. I went to a couple of
> "Price Is Right" tapings back in the Bob Barker era, and I'm positive he
> would have been very happy to drag out his interactions with the
> contestants. (I've only ever seen clips of his work on "Truth or
> Consequences," but I've seen it said that he was better on that show than
> he was on "Price Is Right.")
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Fewer people watching local TV news, but it is still tops

[David Lynch]

Just noticing that the thumbnail for this link on Google Inbox is a freeze
frame from one of my local TV stations (KEYE) featuring two anchors with
30+ years on the Austin airwaves who were pushed out shortly after Sinclair
bought the station, which is yet another problem with the state of local
TV. Even when the studio is local, the revolving door of executives and
on-air talent who constantly cycle through mean that the people trying to
tell you what's going on in your city often don't have roots there and
often have no interest in putting down those roots.

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 5:57 PM Steve Timko  wrote:

> More people are getting their news online, especially the young uns.
>
> https://www.poynter.org/news/new-pew-study-says-local-tv-news-viewing-dropping-fast
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Treatment of LGBT TV characters (Trek spoilers)

[David Lynch]

Per lesbian-focused blog Autostraddle, there were 13 lesbian/bi/otherwise
not 100% straight female TV characters who died in 2017, and this was a
huge decrease from 31 in 2016.
https://www.autostraddle.com/all-65-dead-lesbian-and-bisexual-characters-on-tv-and-how-they-died-312315/?all=1

For men, where I'm a little bit more up on the pop culture side of things,
it's a trope that dates back to when we were the go-to for "he had it
coming" deaths, either by murder or suicide brought on by the idea of how
horribly "deviant" their desires were. Then came both greater acceptance
and AIDS, and the tragic gay who had everything going for him except that
he was gay and thus doomed to die (eg, the "killing all the right people"
episode of Designing Women.) Then it was that there was one gay character
and it made it easy for the writers to write them off by killing them
because they wouldn't leave behind a grieving spouse. And so forth and so
on up through now when it seems to keep happening. It's one of those things
where you can't point to any specific instance and say "this is homophobic"
but the overall pattern seems to add up to far too many LGBTQ characters
dying.

Regarding ST:D, I'm not hugely surprised when I think about the initial
buzz -- which was only about the surviving half of the couple being a major
character -- versus the actual discussion of the initial episodes where the
other half was getting a lot more attention. Despite being a Trek fan, I
still haven't watched any of it yet, partly because I resent CBS's strategy
in making it streaming-only, partly because there's a glut of
heavily-serialized television in which the fate of the human race hangs in
the balance and missing a moment means missing some seemingly-minor detail
that will turn out to be important later (and some of it is even fictional)
and thus the brightly-colored, allegory-of-the-week sci-fi of The Orville
feels more satisfying.

On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 11:50 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> S
>
> P
>
> O
>
> I
>
> L
>
> E
>
> R
>
>
> S
>
> P
>
> A
>
> C
>
> E
>
>
>
> One of my early podcast interviews was with a writer who was facing some
> backlash online because an LGBT character on a series he had worked on had
> been killed off. The community was claiming it was becoming common to
> basically use gay characters as either sacrificial lambs or canaries in
> coal mines. I didn't think much about it at the time, but in the months
> that followed I have seen -- maybe not a trend -- but certainly a regular
> habit of placing key LGBT characters onto dramatic series,
> showcasing/promoting how inclusive the series is, making the character
> quite sympathetic, then offing the character.
>
> I'm bringing this up because, although I stopped watching Star Trek
> Discovery after a few painful weeks, I can see from social media that they
> have just done the same thing. And some within the LGBT community are
> already unhappy. Trek's first openly gay couple has been on the cover of
> multiple magazines in recent weeks (the character's lover is played by the
> actor who stepped forward with the allegations that ended Kevin Spacey's
> career).
>
> As I think about it, my mind drifts way back to the third season of MTV's
> "The Real World," and one of the housemates, Pedro Zamora, who died not
> long after the season ended due to complications of AIDS. It was big news
> at the time -- even then President Clinton gave a speech about it. And now
> I cannot help but wonder if the producers didn't at least partly consider
> Pedro's potential death during the casting process.
>
> I'm not saying or implying a malicious attitude towards gays or gay
> characters, but the reaction from the LGBT community seems to be they
> resent being used to tug at viewer heartstrings in a rate that is different
> or abnormal. They want to be fairly represented, and not just tokens, which
> is a view shared by every minority group I'm aware of.
>
> I'm curious how frequently this is actually happening on TV. Has anybody
> else noticed this? Anybody else have any thoughts on the subject?
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Quickie Review: The Orville

[David Lynch]

That one was the first miss from my perspective. And yet, minus the "it's
just like modern-day Earth" part, that is one of those plots that I could
totally see TNG doing basically verbatim if it was around today.

On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 16:55 Steve Timko  wrote:

> I skipped through most of the episode where they have to rescue people on
> the planet where they vote on people.
>
> Not sent from an iPhone.
> On Nov 5, 2017, at 2:52 PM, PGage  wrote:
>>
>> I dont think this show sucks; I am not a fan of McFarlane, yet I manage
>> to keep watching it.  For a while I was afraid I would like it more than
>> Discovery, but that is no longer true.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 12:02 PM Tom Wolper < twol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The Orville has been renewed for a second season.
>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] TV orNotTV] The Great British Bake* Mystery

[David Lynch]

IIRC, Netflix is showing you the numbering that PBS uses because that's the
order they showed those seasons in, and the other source is using the BBC's
original ordering.
On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 18:17 Doug Fields  wrote:

> I got confused beyond recovery about halfway through this, so it’s a good
> thing I have no desire to see this show.  J
>
>
>
> Doug Fields
>
> Tampa, FL
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *PGage
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 25, 2017 7:15 PM
> *To:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [TV orNotTV] TV orNotTV] The Great British Bake* Mystery
>
>
>
> Okay - Adam, you did indirectly give me the key to the solution.
>
>
>
> The guide on my Xfinity On Demand lists availability for seasons 4 - 7
> (with 7 being the one currently showing on PBS). But when I click through
> on Seasons 4 - 6 to watch them on Netflix, they are listed as Seasons 1 -
> 3.  And, even more curiously, from what I can tell using names of bakers
> and air dates given on Wikipedia, they are not even in chronicological
> order, so that what Netflix calls Season 1 is actually season 5; Netflix
> Season 2 is actually season 4, and Netflix season 3 is actually season 6.
>
>
>
> When I went to my archive as suggested by Adam, I saw that while Xfinity
> had told me I was watching Season 4, on Netflix it was actually Season 2.
> At some point in the evening I switched to watching it via my Firetstick,
> and not Xfinity, which took me without making my scroll through to the
> middle of the episode I had most recently been watching. When I went back
> to Netflix this morning (via the Firestick) and looked for Season 4,
> episode 10 I could not find it, and instead should have been looking ofr
> Season 2 episode 10 (with the Wedding Cake Shostopped - sorry for the mild
> spoiler).
>
>
>
> I guess the renumbering would make sense if it had something to do with a
> technical difference between "The Great British Bake-off" and the US
> serialization of it, but since they are out of order that does not seem to
> be it.
>
>
>
> Anyway, now I know what I am looking for is season 5 and 6, and they do
> not seem to be available for streaming in the US.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 12:39 PM Adam Bowie  wrote:
>
> I've no real idea about the comings and goings of various seasons of Bake
> Off on Netflix, but would just note that Netflix has a log of all the
> shows/movies that you've watched. If you go to
> https://www.netflix.com/viewingactivity you can see your full viewing
> history (if accessed on a PC) and theoretically, you can click through to
> rewatch episodes.
>
>
>
> You can also use this to "remove" things you watched but maybe didn't
> like. I know I can thumbs down them, but Netflix's algorithms are sometimes
> way off for me, so just deleting things I didn't enjoy works better.
>
>
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 8:14 PM, PGage  wrote:
>
>
>
> I have a bit of a television mystery on my hands, wondering if anyone here
> can solve it.
>
>
>
> A couple of days ago I noticed that PBS was airing Season 7 of the Great
> British Baking Show (Bake Off). Watched the ones that were available so
> far, then noticed to my delight that on Netflix Seasons 4 - 6 were also
> available. Over the weekend I watched most of Season 4, but fell asleep
> last night, around the start of the Show-Stopper round. When I got around
> to it this morning I went back to watch the end of the episode (and season)
> - only to find that it was gone. Not only that, but Netflix now shows only
> Seasons 1 - 3 available. Amazon shows Season 4 available, but only the
> first 3 episodes. Ditto I-tunes. I googled a bit, but found no stories as
> to why the rest of Season 4, and all of Season 5-6, had been taken down
> (and actually no real evidence that they had ever been available).
>
>
>
> I might have thought my memories of Season 4 were all some kind of early
> summer fever dream, but that season did contain one particularly memorable
> young female contestant, who I was able to confirm was actually on.
> Eventually I did find a way to stream the finale via the kind of web site I
> usually avoid using, because I am happy to pay for the programming I watch,
> but in this case I felt a strong need to see the last 20 minutes.
>
>
>
> So, I believe seasons 4 -6 were available on Netflix (I accessed it
> originally through Xfinity) at least from early last week through yesterday
> (Saturday) night. I know things come and come from Netflix, but usually
> these days there are ways to get some warning, and my usual sources were
> mute about it leaving in June.
>
>
>
> Any clues?
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Re: [TV orNotTV] ICYMI: Corden's Opening Last Night

[David Lynch]

On the political side of things, I remember lamentations during the
campaigns about how the big investigative bombshells from newspapers seemed
to always become public around midnight Eastern because the NYT, WaPo, et
al wouldn't put those stories on the web until the print editions went to
press. That seems to have changed just in the last few weeks.

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 12:30 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:

> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 10:58 AM, stannc  wrote:
>
>> On a recent Rachel Maddow show, Rachel lamented the fact that the recent
>> news cycle has changed so that "breaking news" always seems to occur in the
>> 5:00pm ET hour. This causes her staff to have to scrap the planned show for
>> the day and cover whatever new news has broken.
>
>
>>
>> I thought of this when I saw the slide at the beginning of LSSC on Monday
>> and it made me realize that I've just seen too many of those slides in
>> recent years. 
>
>
> When I did media workshops the instructors would stress knowing the
> deadlines for who you want to target with your story - print and TV - in
> order to make sure your story would get out that day. Inversely, if someone
> wanted some time before a story hit the front page, they would make sure it
> went public after deadline. It was a truism that bad news releases always
> came out at 5 PM Friday so they would not make the news until Monday and
> then they would be considered old news.
>
> That all is changing in the internet age. Cable news channels and news
> websites no longer have a deadline. And shows like Rachel Maddow's can
> retool in short time rather than wait until the next day.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Survey: cost of going to movies still a great concern

[David Lynch]

I assumed that was $25 per viewing, not $25 per viewer, so I'm a little bit
surprised that there isn't more interest, given that, at least in my area,
a basic 2D, non-IMAX ticket tends to run around $11 these days. Heck, $25
plus a pizza delivery runs close to what I pay when I go out to a
full-service cinema by myself.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Cable nets fixin' to shed the dead weight

[David Lynch]

At least for the niches I fit into, it never felt to me like the corporate
owners never really tried to research their audience beyond getting broad
stereotypes and reruns of non-niche programming that their niche enjoys. To
follow the bookstore analogy, Reading the program guide for Logo always
felt like walking up to the "gay and lesbian" section and finding that it's
2/3 books by straight people that have gay followings and 1/3 RuPaul.

Speaking of RuPaul, Logo, and cable companies ditching networks with low
viewership, I kind of assume that the first-run episodes of "Drag Race"
moving to VH1 is the beginning of the end for them.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: 'Cause Harvey and his gang can't have all the fun...

[David Lynch]

I'm curious as to whether this is a companion to TMZ or a replacement for
it, given that the former already airs on the majority of Fox O stations.

On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 1:12 PM, Bob Jersey  wrote:

>
> Moi, June 3rd this year:
>>
>>
>> Murdoch-owned Endemol Shine will tryout a daily half-hour produced out of
>> the NY Post's Page Six for three weeks beginning July 18th on Fox stations
>> in NY, LA, Philly, ATL, Dallas, Detroit, and Tampa-St Pete... THR
>> 
>> (link)
>>
>>
>> Very well received, apparently... show to expand to 17 cities
> 
> next fall (Variety link)
>
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Any words on the Cubs' win?

[David Lynch]

On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 5:31 AM, Adam Bowie  wrote:

> To be perfectly honest, I'm a very part-time baseball viewer, and
> certainly don't know one commentator from another. (I think this is simply
> a factor of me not being American. But it does always sound like there's a
> certain tone of voice expected from a US sports presenter, and to my ears
> that makes everyone sound very much alike.)
>

I feel much the same way about the English commentators doing soccer games.
I've never been able to differentiate between the English Premier League
pool announcers that NBC uses when Arlo White isn't doing a game (other
than noticing that one of them has a Glasgow accent,) although I can
usually manage to tell who's who among the freelancers ESPN would draft
during a World Cup by the time the knock-out stages arrived.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] 'British Bake-Off' Leaving Beeb for C4

[David Lynch]

"Civil" doesn't necessarily mean warm and fuzzy when it comes to the
judges' critiques, but it is very far from the sort of competitive reality
TV where the participants say "I'm not here to make friends." The drive
that defines the bakers is their perfectionism, not their competitiveness.
Everything is couched in terms of success or failure at the challenge.

The other thing that jumps out at me is how lighthearted everything is. Mel
and Sue have been pretty good at helping the more stressed-out contestants
remember that it's just cake (and, if the rumors are true, standing near
anyone who gets particularly emotional and using enough brand names and
swear words to render any footage of the moment unusable.) If anyone thinks
that winning Bake-Off will completely change their life, it doesn't make it
to air.

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 18:47 PGage  wrote:

> Like many others I so love this show - though have only seen up to season
> 3, and am looking for where to see season 4. Did not know they had already
> done season 7 and shown 6 on PBS.
>
> I very much hope they find a way to do a show with all 4 of the
> principals, one way or the other, on BBC.
>
> BTW - Why is this show so great? I mean, it is great, but what makes it so
> great? I keep hearing it described as civil, and that is a big part of it,
> but the judges, especially, Paul, can be pretty tough. I particularly like
> how important it is to the contestants to do well - not so much to make
> money or fame, but to get the approval of world class bakers that they
> respect.
>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 4:24 PM, David Risner  wrote:
>
>> I believe the season currently running on BBC1 is the seventh season, as
>> the sixth season just finished running on PBS here in the states a few
>> weeks ago.
>>
>> Hard to imagine the show continuing without Paul & Mary. I can see it
>> without Sue & Mel, although I would rather not. Having watched some of the
>> Australian version which doesn’t have Paul & Mary, I would really hate to
>> see them go. It just wouldn’t be the same show.
>>
>> I wonder if BBC can reconstitute the show with Sue, Mel, Paul, and Mary
>> with a slightly different format and, of course, a different name.
>>
>> I remember Bravo trying to make a replacement for Project Runway when it
>> jumped ship to Lifetime. It didn’t work too well, but it also didn’t have
>> any of the PR cast of judges and hosts.
>>
>>
>> > On Sep 13, 2016, at 2:44 PM, Mark Jeffries 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > "The Great British Bake-Off," or as it's called on PBS, "The Great
>> British Baking Show," the world's most civil reality show, will move next
>> year from the Beeb's primary network BBC1 to Channel 4, the
>> commercial-but-not-for-profit net that hasn't had a reality hit since "Big
>> Brother" moved to Channel 5 a few years ago--the current sixth season is
>> running on the One right now:
>> >
>> > http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/bbc-lose-british-bake-927930
>> >
>> > Snarky-yet-civil hosts Sue Perkins and Mel Giedroyc want the show to
>> stay on the Beeb and have already announced that they will not move with
>> the show to C4.  It is rumoured that judges Paul Hollywood and Mary Berry
>> are also against the network switch, which may leave producers Love
>> Productions to find a whole new cast.  (Meanwhile, Union Jack, the digital
>> radio station created by a bunch of Adam's former mates at Absolute Radio
>> for the owners of the Jack FM franchise in the UK, which plays nothing but
>> music by British artists, boasts on its web site that it is "more British
>> than Mary Berry's soggy bottoms."  If you watch the show, you'll get it.)
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: NBC's Unforgivable Sin [Was: I tried watching the Olympics...]

[David Lynch]

On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 4:49 AM, Adam Bowie  wrote:

>  And the presenters are nearly all sports presenters - not breakfast show
> presenters for example.
>

This is also something that I'll give NBC a lot of credit for: As far as I
know, all of the people doing coverage of the individual events are retired
athletes or broadcasters who work full time on sports, and many of those
broadcasters are specialists. There's a whole army of play-by-play
announcers and expert commentators who are on their umpteenth Olympics but
who I only ever hear for two weeks every four years in the sports that only
get a lot of attention during the Olympics (e.g., swimming, diving, and
gymnastics,) in addition to the people who cover the pro game week in and
week out moving over to cover the Olympics in sports like golf, basketball,
and tennis. At worst, the US coverage seems to pair a generalist
play-by-play announcer with a former athlete.

We do have breakfast show presenters involved, but they're doing the
opening ceremony and hosting the studio portions of the broadcast, which
essentially amounts to serving as traffic cop and doing the occasional
interview, none of which really requires a lot of deep knowledge about
sports.

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[TV orNotTV] ESPN's John Saunders dies

[David Lynch]

Age 61. ESPN's obituary doesn't list a cause.

http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/17263104/john-saunders-long-familiar-air-face-espn-nearly-30-years-died-age-61

Watching college football on Saturdays isn't going to be the same.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] I tried watching the Olympics on NBC today

[David Lynch]

Unfortunately, I have Time-Warner/whatever they're calling themselves after
the merger and they don't seem to have picked up that package, or at least
haven't advertised it in any way that I know how to find it, but the
Comcast thing sounds like it would be good. I'll admit that I'd prefer
something that doesn't require me to pay enough attention to know to turn
in to a specific event at a specific time (basically a cable version of the
Gold Zone stream.) Having seen the BBC's "red button" coverage of Wimbledon
with live video of umpteen simultaneous matches in the early rounds, I know
that that kind of thing can be transformative if it's done well, but we
feel very behind the times on that kind of stuff here.

I tried to watch some of the streaming when the USA's women's rugby match
was (I thought) pre-empted (actually just delayed) due to NASCAR running
long and was not impressed with the experience. Video quality wasn't great,
though that may just have been my connection, and it was tough to navigate
to a specific point in an 8-hour video with the same slider control that
you'd get for an 8-minute YouTube video.

One interesting thing from tonight: the medal round for men's team
gymnastics, normally a marquee event, didn't start airing until well after
11:00 ET and was partly pushed to late night. Of course, it was kind of
obvious from the way they covered what we saw that there wasn't a comeback
from the early stumbles that made it into the prime time show (i.e., there
were neither leaderboards at any point nor any coverage of any of the other
teams.)

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 1:56 PM, M-D November <mdnovem...@gmail.com> wrote:

> For what it's worth, NBC has been streaming every event (including the
> marquee events, like gymnastics) on NBCOlympics.com and the NBC Sports
> app.  If you have a Comcast X1 box, it's even easier to get the streams -
> just hit "C" on the remote, go to Rio 2016 in the Sports app, and select
> which sport and stream you want to view.  My wife and I watched all of the
> Women's Gymnastics team during the day - we knew how the US would finish
> before dinnertime.
>
>
> On Monday, August 8, 2016 at 2:53:10 PM UTC-4, Bob Jersey wrote:
>>
>>
>> Doug Eastick, to David Lynch and Tom Wolper, in part:
>>>
>>> As I watched the live coverage I kept thinking.  you poor Americans
>>> stuck with NBC.
>>>
>>>
>>> Unsure if you guys can stream from cbc.ca or not but it's got lots of
>>> luce streams on my android app.
>>>
>>>
>>>> You're kidding, right?
>>
>> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] I tried watching the Olympics on NBC today

[David Lynch]

The thing that bothers me more and more as time goes on and social media
becomes more ubiquitous is that I can see people commenting on events that
are airing live on the BBC and CBC but won't air on NBC until prime time. I
don't object to the concept of prime time being a heavily-edited
compilation of the most TV-friendly events but I wish they didn't hold back
on airing those events live when they aren't in prime time, especially
since the online streams are somewhat difficult to find and navigate when
all of a day's events in a single sport are lumped together into a single
hours-long video.

On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Tom Wolper  wrote:

> Around 11 this morning I thought I'd check in and see how NBC was doing.
> The event was the cycling road race and they would only show about 3
> minutes of the race between commercial blocs. It didn't take long for me to
> get frustrated and give up.
>
> Plus after seeing coverage of the World Cup and Euro championship I
> thought US TV would have moved beyond their Americocentrism in covering
> international competitions. Nope.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Sports/network news question

[David Lynch]

On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 5:02 AM JW  wrote:

> I know that on Sundays in Pittsburgh, the CBS affiliate (KDKA-TV) puts the
> network news on at 6:00 and the local at 6:30, so that if sports run past
> 6, it's the national broadcast that gets shortened/cut first.
>

That's how it generally works in central time for ABC and CBS on Sundays.
Network news at 5:00, local news at 5:30. NBC used to do the same but every
affiliate I checked has local news at 5:00 followed by Nightly News at
5:30, so I guess they stopped doing the earlier feed.

Saturdays, there's syndicated programming immediately after sports, then
local news airs after network news. My recollection was that if the network
runs a little bit over, the syndicated programming is joined in progress
followed by a full 30 minutes of network news starting at 5:30, but it
seems like that would be somewhat logistically complicated if they're also
doing an abbreviated broadcast 30 minutes after network programming ends
for the stations that air local news in that slot.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Convention related late night stuff

[David Lynch]

I think the whole thing may just have broken too late. As far as I saw,
people were pointing out the similarities at 10:30 but the full extent of
the plagarism wasn't really known until closer to 11:30.

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 8:45 AM, 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> The speech Mrs. Trump gave last night apparently had a paragraph that was
> substantially similar to a paragraph from one of Mrs. Obama's convention
> speeches.  People were connecting the dots around 10:30 pm so I suppose the
> Late Show people could have whipped up something in an hour or so.  Would
> it have been any good?
> Maybe 11:35 is too soon to be ready to comment fully on the crazy of the
> day.  It certainly seems to be to soon for whatever happens during the 10
> pm hour, which is the only broadcast network live coverage.  We'll see how
> Seth Meyers does on Wednesday, when he'll go live the night of Mr. Trump's
> convention speech.
>
> David
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>
> What was the plagiarism thing ?
>
> I actually stayed up to watch this (I usually watch the next morning).
> The stew thing made me laugh.   The Colbert segment was nice too.
> Everything else was meh.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016, 5:51 AM JW  wrote:
>
> A bit of spoilage about Monday's Late Show:
>
> Yes, it was live from the Ed, so of course it started with a taped song
> and dance number. Some of that footage was shot in Cleveland, as was what I
> assume the Vulture link refers to.
>
> Despite being live, they missed the plagiarism thing entirely.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Takei hissed with "Beyond" director, writer

[David Lynch]

I'm pretty much in a similar place with it. On top of it not being Gene's
franchise anymore, it's not like rampant heterosexuality was one of Sulu's
defining characteristics the way it was with Kirk and later Riker and the
world has changed to the point where I'm sure that any writer who was as
devoted to diversity as Roddenberry was would have some character who is
not straight and/or not binary-gendered. It's a big blind spot that Trek
has had and the go-to excuse that it wouldn't fly commercially hasn't been
true since before Enterprise was on the air.

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:

> I like Takei and respect his opinion, but for anybody to single out any
> one aspect of post-Roddenberry Trek as being unRoddenberry is a bit absurd.
> I suspect most of what followed after Gene's passing would not have been in
> keeping with his wishes/intent. Just as I suspect most of what will take
> place in the new Star Wars films won't be in keeping with what Lucas would
> want (he already voiced his opinion on Force Awakens). It is the nature of
> a franchise that whomever holds the keys to the metaphorical kingdom will
> customize and revise it. Since the Star Trek reboot literally reset the
> timeline, the argument could be made that nothing of Roddenberry's original
> can be considered "canon," except of course in the mind of Spock Prime.
>
> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Bob Jersey  wrote:
>
>>
>> Simon Pegg, the current Scotty who also scripted the upcoming Trek flick,
>> and helmer Justin Lin added a scene where this version's Sulu is shown to
>> have a male spouse as well as a child... Roddenberry never intended to
>> reorient the crewman, George griped to THR
>> 
>> (link)...
>>
>> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: How often does the NFL cause CBS or FOX to cut a show from the lineup?

[David Lynch]

My understanding with CBS is that CBS and Fox picked their policies because
of their big Sunday night shows. CBS wanted to always air 60 Minutes in its
entirety, Fox wanted to be consistent about broadcasting the first-run
episode of The Simpsons at 8:00.


On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 8:10 PM, Jim Ellwanger  wrote:

>
> On Jul 7, 2016, at 6:01 PM, Pete Ahles  wrote:
>
> I heard that it has to do with the affiliate ownership. The Fox stations
> are independent so they want the local news at 10pm no matter what. Fox
> will always preempt shows, although having "The OT" as a buffer makes it
> less likely.
>
> More CBS affiliates are "owned and operated" so CBS can push back the news.
>
>
> That isn’t a factor in the differences in the way CBS and Fox handle
> Sunday night football overruns. There are 16 CBS affiliates that are
> owned-and-operated, and 17 Fox affiliates that are O
>
> Since there’s a cap on the amount of TV stations any one entity can own
> (basically, they can only reach 39% of the country), one would expect the
> networks to own about the same number of stations.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] How often does the NFL cause CBS or FOX to cut a show from the lineup?

[David Lynch]

AFAIK, the OT expands to fill whatever time is available, and runs until
the next show is scheduled to start. It's Fox's way of never running behind
schedule or joining shows in progress.

IIRC, the cut-off for CBS to bump the 10:00 show is something like 7:57:30.
I don't know what the plan is if they ever, through some extraordinary
circumstance, go much past 8:00.

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 2:20 PM M-D November  wrote:

> My recollection from the past couple of seasons was that CBS would drop
> the show in the 10pm timeslot if an afternoon game went exceedingly long
> (+45min), but it didn't happen often.  FOX has the built in buffer of "The
> OT", although a show scheduled for 7:30pm could get the hook if a game runs
> long, because heaven forbid we don't get 30min of wrapup and shouting (RIP
> Futurama).  Also, FOX has one less hour of primetime than CBS, so a slight
> bump earlier in the evening will only impact local news.
>
>
> On Friday, July 1, 2016 at 9:44:14 AM UTC-5, daniel anderson wrote:
>>
>> Back in 86, the Eagles/Raiders game i mentioned caused the 8:00 show to
>> be bumped. CBS went with the ending of Eagles/Raiders,* 60 Minutes* and
>> the movie. That's has been their policy if they get into a really long game
>> like that one. There was also a NCAA Tournament game in Spokane a few years
>> ago, before Turner started helping them do the tourney, that went late
>> enough that they had to do the same thing. Wasn't there a incident one
>> year, where Dan Rather walked off the news set because of the US Open semi
>> finals was going to cut into the news? *60 Minutes* has been affected by
>> a few US Open Finals going to a 5th set too. There was also a Jimmy Connors
>> match one year that wiped out the network and local news too i think in 91?
>>
>> On Friday, July 1, 2016 at 9:59:05 AM UTC-4, Joe Hass wrote:
>>>
>>> I would call it neither frequent nor infrequent. My ballpark guess is
>>> one or two times a year, especially with the doubleheader second games
>>> starting at 4:25 PM. Unfortunately, my fictional assistant is off for the
>>> holiday, so I can't have her pull the data up.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 5:25 AM daniel anderson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 was thinking of last year when the Steelers/Seahawks game bumped CSI
 Cyber form the lineup and also, being old enough, i remember a
 Eagles/Raiders telecast in 86 that lasted so long, it bumped one of the All
 Star Party specials. Does it happen often or is it a rare occurrence for a
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Alec Baldwin hosting Match Game? No.

[David Lynch]

Rosie's opponent, Kathy Najimy, isn't exactly the highest-profile of
actresses either, but the two of them pretty much put on a masterclass in
how to play Pyramid (this is probably they were the only celebrities to
tape two episodes.)

A huge part of what made the mid-to-late 80s the golden age of Pyramid was
that they more or less rotated among the same 20-30 celebrities, and I'd
wager that, by the end of that time, Shelley Smith wasn't the only one who
was more famous for Pyramid than for anything else they'd done.

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 1:45 PM Joe Hass  wrote:

> There was an actress in the early 80s by the name of Shelley Smith. She
> wasn't even B list: the woman was a runway model before she got into
> acting, and doesn't have a credit on IMDB past 1991. From IMDB, it looks
> like she starred in exactly one series: "For Love And Honor". But if you
> know Pyramid, you know exactly who Shelley Smith is: one of the great
> celebrities in the history that entire franchise and the deliverer of the
> single greatest Winners Circle clue (in a $100,000 round, no less; after a
> brutal fifth category that should've knocked her on her ass):
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji_ZFRqYsp8
>
> Shelly Smith was a game show rock star, just like Vikki Lawrence and
> Nipsey Russell and Betty White. And when you're good at game shows, you
> keep reappearing, even if you've got nothing else going on, because crappy
> celebs make the show look bad. Exhibit A: Anthony Anderson, who showed what
> happens when you're neither: you play like shit, you act like a mouthy ass,
> and detract from the proceedings.
>
> You can think Rosie O'Donnell has the acting ability of a french fry and a
> personality that could grate Parmesan. She's *outstanding* at game shows,
> both in terms of game play and interaction. She'll get that call every
> single time.
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 1:20 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> And Sarah Palin has been tapped as a celebrity guest on a future episode
>> of Match Game. Palin and Baldwin on the same stage... that's a lot of
>> reason to not watch.
>>
>> By the way, was ABC contractually obligated to include Rosie on two of
>> their three game shows, or did they not have access to literally anybody
>> else last weekend?
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Mark Jeffries 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> And Anthony Anderson probably deserves an Emmy nomination for eventually
>>> getting Tyson under control.  (Let it be said that I understand Kevin's
>>> view, but on "Mike Tyson Mysteries" he is undoubtedly presented as a
>>> supreme moron--which, of course, he doesn't realize he's being presented
>>> that way--so I can't complain there.)
>>>
>>> As for "Truth," I am not one of those who demand that it has to be done
>>> just the way Bud Collyer did it, but you don't need to mess around with a
>>> game structure that works (and that includes having the panel freestyle
>>> their questions rather than each getting an amount of time).  In addition,
>>> I did not want hear at the climax of the last game of each show (where the
>>> Central Character was going to do a stunt) Anderson saying, "Will the real
>>> [name] please stand up...after the break?"  Damn you, Chris Tarrant, damn
>>> you to hell.  Couldn't wrapping up the game and then saying "and we'll see
>>> [stunt] after these words from our sponsors" be enough of a hook instead of
>>> one of the most annoying of contemporary game show/reality comp cliches?
>>>
>>> Mark Jeffries
>>> Saints Spotlight Editor
>>> spotligh...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Kevin M. 
>>> wrote:
>>>


 On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Diner  wrote:

> The guest lineup for the first run of Match Game has been announced -
> and while none of Joe's choices made the cut, I think it's a pretty good
> lineup.
>
> http://www.broadwayworld.com/bwwtv/article/Sutton-Foster-Titus-Burgess-Rosie-ODonnell-More-Will-Play-ABCs-MATCH-GAME-20160615
>
> Note that Betty White, one of Joe's choices, is a regular panelist on
> To Tell the Truth. (And the first episode of  opened with a nice
> montage of her appearances on the show in the fifties, sixties and
> nineties.)
>
> I saw Mike Tyson appeared on To Tell The Truth, because what the game
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Hey, it could still rain...

[David Lynch]

If I recall correctly, the view from NBC's Copacabana set will be very
familiar to sports fans, because it's the exact same rooftop as ESPN rented
for their temporary World Cup studio.

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 1:37 PM Bob Jersey  wrote:

>
> Not that NBCU cares... apart from when Bobbo hosts, its Rio Olympics
> coverage will be anchored from a beachside stage... picture on Variety
> 
> (link)...
>
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] deception

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On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 10:50 AM Jon Delfin  wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Joe Hass  wrote:
>
>> Assuming they're shooting live-to-tape and there's no issues, if it's a
>> standard break, where would the guest likely be at the end of the act
>> before?
>>
>
> They're not, as evidenced by the many bits they've done that involve
> costume changes for Colbert. Lots of tape-stopping.
>

Does anyone know how far from true live-to-tape Colbert is? I had
previously gotten the impression that LSwSC is about as close as anyone
gets these days -- not timed to the second with how it goes out on air, but
shot in order in one take (unless there's a major screwup.)

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Re: [TV orNotTV] CNN, HLN to simul coming John Walsh series

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On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 1:21 PM, Bob Jersey  wrote:
>
> Whatever happened to just doing rotating 30-minute mini-newscasts?
>

Having every major story of the day available on the Internet basically
killed the model, as did the industry's decision that it mattered not only
how many people tuned in to your network but how long they watched. The
Weather Channel is a shell of its former glory days for similar reasons.

Also, it feels redundant when CNN is basically doing nothing but rolling
generalist news now. It was a little less so when there were non-newscast
shows like Larry King or Crossfire or single-subject shows like Lou Dobbs
or Inside Politics.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] CBS fall annotated

[David Lynch]

Being saved for midseason: Doubt, Training Day, Criminal Minds: Beyond
Borders, The Amazing Race, Undercover Boss, and Hunted.

Are any of the fall shows announced as having shorter than usual runs? Six
hours seems like a lot of room to have to clear up, even if we assume that
they shoehorn one of the reality shows into Wednesdays at 8 between the
fall and spring seasons of Survivor.

On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 11:59 AM, Bob Jersey  wrote:

>
> From the network pee-arr on TheFutonCritic
> 
> (link), all times ET/PT:
>
> For the pairs of shows Mondays, the second one starts Oct 24th, after CBS'
> part of the NFL Thursday night deal completes.
>
> Monday
> 8:00 Big Bang Theory / KEVIN CAN WAIT
>  KCW: Kevin James is back, as an ex-cop whose family has kept *just* a
> few secrets from him...
> (I *knew* I recognized that one guy who plays one of his buddies...
> Leonard Earl Howze was Greenback, one of Jason Lee's cohorts on 'Memphis
> Beat'...)
> 8:30 KEVIN CAN WAIT / MAN WITH A PLAN
>  MwaP: Matt LeBlanc is back as a stay-at-home dad with wacky kids.
> 9:00 2 Broke Girls
> 9:30 Odd Couple
> 10:00Scorpion
>
> Tuesday
> 8:00 NCIS
> 9:00 BULL
>  Michael Weatherly, once Tony DiNozzo, as a veiled version of early Dr.
> Phil, studying jurors, witnesses, defendants, and even lawyers with the
> help of his multitalented crew...
> 10:00NCIS New Orleans
>
> Wednesday
> 8:00 Survivor
> 9:00 Criminal Minds
> 10:00Code Black
>
> Thursday (NFL airs here except Sept 15th to Oct 20th, but not Sept 29th)
> 8:00 Big Bang Theory
> 8:30 THE GREAT INDOORS
>  Joel McHale, who once roamed the world as a writer for an outdoors
> magazine, now is stuck in the rag's online section with a bunch of wacky
> millennials.
> 9:00 Mom
> 9:30 Life In Pieces
> 10:00PURE GENIUS
>  A young tech mogul and a veteran surgeon head a high-tech hospital
> determined to solve the most baffling conditions (much like 'House'?)
> (Another well-known-costar spotting: the cute Reshma Shetty from 'Royal
> Pains'...)
>
> Friday
> 8:00 MACGYVER
>  Cue that horn-and-piano-heavy theme song... Lucas Till plays a somewhat
> younger version of the 80s resourceful anti-hero, with George Eads ('CSI
> Original') as a sidekick...
> 9:00 Hawaii Five-0
> 10:00Blue Bloods
>
> Saturday
> 8:00 and 9:00 "Crimetime" repeats
> 10:0048 Hours (Investigates?)
>
> Sunday (delayed, or in Sherlock's case, axed?, by football!)
> 7:00 60 Minutes
> 8:00 NCIS LA
> 9:00 Madam Secretary
> 10:00Elementary
>
>
> B
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Amazing Race #28

[David Lynch]

I feel like there's been a shift in tone over the last few seasons,
beginning more or less when they started stunt-casting entire seasons. My
assumption is that it's an attempt to "keep it fresh", even though I
suspect that most of the fan base would be perfectly fine if Phil read out
"The detour is a choice between two tasks, each with its own pros and cons"
verbatim every week as he did early on.

One of the nice things about this season was that, after the first few
episodes, they more or less stopped talking about the "everybody is
internet famous" theme and just let the race be the race, and the teams
that made it that far were more or less standard-issue race teams: a few
long-term couples, a couple parent-child teams, and a couple teams of
platonic best friends. Also, it was nice that nobody got a villain edit or
even the "ugly American" edit -- the closest anyone got to that was the
double U-turn usage that was universally (among the contestants) considered
strategically sound but not very nice.

On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 9:49 PM M-D November  wrote:

> I think the problem (if you can call it that) with TAR28 is that the
> finishes of many legs - particularly in the later stages of the race - were
> determined by a matter of minutes (or even moments), where in the past
> they've had more time to spend with tasks because the finishes were more
> staggered. The production has also tightened up certain elements of the
> show over the last few seasons (e.g. having Phil present at the Detour clue
> box to do the front end of the task reveal, rather than having the leading
> team arrive, find the clue, rip the clue, then cut away to Phil), so it may
> just be the cumulative effect of many small changes, compounded by how this
> race season played out.
>
> I have to say, coming into this season, I was expecting the
> Internet-famous racers to be insufferable douchbags, and that didn't turn
> out to be the case. That being said, while I thought all three teams who
> got to the finale ran good races, I wasn't pleased with the result.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Eurovision Live on Logo NOW

[David Lynch]

Wherever Carson and Michelle were broadcasting from, it had all the
accoustics of a cardboard box.

There was also the great moment during the break between the performances
and the results when Justin Timberlake showed up, only to have Carson and
Michelle announce that they didn't have the rights to air JT's performance
so instead we were going to get a film about the history of Swedish pop and
an interpretive dance about the refugee crisis.

I have my suspicions that Logo getting the rights this year is MTV Networks
sticking its toe in the water to try to sell the idea of a future US entry
to both the American public and the Eurovision committee. (Apparently,
Justin Timberlake said something that gave other people that impression,
but I was not paying attention at that precise moment.)

On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 2:16 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> For the first time ever in the U.S.--including live streaming if you don't
> have cable:
>
>
> http://www.logotv.com/shows/eurovision-song-contest-2016/live-stream/live.html
>
> No, we aren't hearing Graham Norton's BBC hosting--Carson Kressley and
> Michele Collins ("Best Week Ever") are hosting the Logo version
> commercial-free from what seems like New York instead of actually being in
> Stockholm.  And of course, you can't vote for anyone, although I assume
> that Adam will vote for us (excepting the UK).  :)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Seattle's KING 5 (NBC) cleans house

[David Lynch]

It sounds like their corporate parent, Tegna, is really swinging the budget
axe, because there has been a similar exodus at their sister station KVUE
in Austin. The general manager, news director, and long-time chief
meteorologist all took the buyout offer. One evening anchor chose not to
renew his contract, ostensibly because his boyfriend's recent promotion to
a Dallas-based network correspondent has made it a lot harder for them to
be in the same city at the same time, and they've lost a few other
high-profile or long-term employees over the last few months.

On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 6:29 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:

> "Voluntary retirement package" taken by several veteran on-air talent and
> staffers, including anchorwoman Jean Enerson (at the station since '68) and
> weatherman Jeff "small craft advisory in the Sound" Renner (at the station
> since '77). They take their final curtain calls a week from today.
>
>
> http://www.seattletimes.com/entertainment/tv/jean-enerson-jeff-renner-among-king-5-staffers-taking-retirement-offers/
>
> I believe this puts the median age of KING 5 employees around 11 or 12.
>
> Actually, the sad truth is several at KING 5 graduated from my alma mater
> the same time I did... 20-years-ago next week.
>
> I'm feeling old.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Crazy Old Indiana Man

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On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 3:27 PM PGage  wrote:

> May just be that at a certain point hair gets so thin on top it is less
> trouble to just shave it off (hope there are no health issues).
>

It looks more like it's very short rather than full-on cueball. As someone
half his age who has been doing that for a few years because my hair is so
fine that the little bit of thinning looks very apparent, I empathize.

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[TV orNotTV] Farewell, Joe Garagiola

[David Lynch]

Former MLB catcher, baseball commentator, and host of “Today” and ”To Tell
The Truth”, 90.

http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/baseball-great-broadcaster-and-former-today-show-co-host-joe-garagiola-has-died/288328

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Another pissing match between NBC & Dish?

[David Lynch]

Judging from the "call Dish and tell them not to drop us" ad that ran on
Syfy within the last hour, it's a pretty broad spectrum of the NBC/Comcast
channels and not just the NBC O

On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 4:53 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> Found this post on the KNBC Facebook page this afternoon.
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/NBCLA/photos/a.394414651027.171020.90240021027/10153577161376028/?type=3
>
> Oh no, however will people live without Jimmy Fallon and America's Got
> Talent?
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Second floor: re-boots... going down

[David Lynch]

One of the more interesting things to emerge from this will be seeing who
from the original casts is still alive and healthy enough to appear in a
cameo in the new version. IIRC, that ship sailed for Are You Being Served
when Nicholas “Mr. Rumbold” Smith passed away late last year.

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 9:38 PM, Brad Beam  wrote:

> Celebrating the 60th anniversary of the televised Britcom, the BBC will
> be airing new versions of classic shows – Keeping Up Appearances, Up
> Pompeii!, et al.
>
>
>
> First off is “Are You Being Served,” restaffing Grace Bros. with
> all-stars right down to Mrs Slocombe and her, um, cat.
>
>
> http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/bbc-classic-you-being-served-7376680?ICID=FB_mirror_main
>
>
>
> _  _
>
> |_>|_>  Brad Beam- Belle WV
>
> |_>|_>  http://www.facebook.com/74bmw
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Colbert live post Super Bowl review

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I'd just like to know whether anyone in whatever department at CBS sends
out schedules to the listings services seriously thought that Colbert was
going to start at 10:00 Eastern, when the game didn't kick off until after
6:30. Usually, it seems like the post-game, post-ceremony shows are
scheduled for 10:30 and that usually ends up being overly optimistic. Based
on the timing of the start and Colbert running over his allotted hour, it
sounds like not even the 60 minutes of padding I put on my recording of
Corden before I went to bed will be enough to get all of it.

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> "Late Show" started at 10:54 and pulled over 21M viewers, including the
> highest in the money demos for the franchise since Letterman's first
> episode in 1993.  It's a little better than CBS' last Super Bowl post-game
> in 2013, "Elementary."  And it's obviously the best numbers Colbert has
> seen yet.  Enough stayed after the game.  (Corden, after Colbert and either
> local news or a "Big Bang Theory" rerun--and note that Colbert ran about 15
> minutes over--pulled almost 5M viewers, about what SCG got for "LLS"
> post-Super Bowl in 2013.)
>
> Mark Jeffries
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>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 12:46 PM, PGage  wrote:
>
>> I am a huge Colbert fan and have seen almost every episode of both his CC
>> and CBS shows, but you liked the live post-SB show a lot more than I did.
>> Technically it seemed a bit of a mess, and not as much in a "isn't live TV
>> funny" kind of way as they seemed to be hoping. It also seemed to be too
>> much of what it was, which was an extended, opportunistic, almost desperate
>> infomercial for Late Night.I wonder how many eyeballs were really watching
>> anyway - I think it started around 10:30 ET; most football fans would have
>> switched to ESPN or elsewhere to see more postgame coverage, and Coldplay
>> fans went back to take their naps.I always like Fey - I am not sure whey
>> they had her on with Robbie; that felt awkward and forced to me, without
>> much obvious chemistry. Seems like the movie would have been better served
>> by Fey last night and a separate interview with Robbie later in the week
>> (or are they not doing any new shows this week?). Colbert is not a sports
>> fan (unlike say, Jimmy Kimmell) and it always shows. I get why they wanted
>> to use that apparently huge audience to market the show, but I don't see
>> doing it live to have been a critical factor, and I think they would have
>> been better off doing a great show and using that to attract new viewers.
>> If they had to do something live, better to put Colbert in Santa Clara,
>> interviewing athletes and celebs and making fun of the hoopla.
>>
>> The main thing that I was impressed with was the band, which I don't
>> remember liking as much ever before. Was something different?
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 10:24 AM, Steve Timko 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mixed feelings about the show.
>>> Overall,  I liked the comedy. Even the taped bits on a live show. Tina
>>> Fey was a solid A list talk show guest and seemed more comfortable with
>>> Colbert than Letterman and even Fallon and Meyers. Margot Robbie is dense
>>> but solid eye candy.
>>> That satellite interview with the MVP was the biggest stumble of the
>>> show. I imagine some exec thinking that up and using synergy a lot.
>>> Will Ferrell was great. That may have been my favorite Ferrell
>>> appearance on a talk show.
>>> Key and Peele was also a winner for me.
>>> Megyn Kelly was a disappointment.  Maybe she's tired of talking about
>>> Trump.
>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Jeopardy! test problems (as opposed to answers or questions)

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It seemed like it sat there forever trying to submit at the end for me but
I had no trouble getting in.

On a less technical note, I don't know if it was me being dense or the
material being poorly written, but I ended up with a couple blanks because
I had trouble understanding what some of the questions were asking for
within the time allotted. In once case, it was because it would have been
more readable (IMO) if a clause at the beginning of the clue had been
inserted later on, in another it was a matter of a combination of a very
minimal clue and a rather broad category (if it had been on the show, I
would have expected a "we'll give you the , you give us the "
explanation during the rundown.)

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 8:24 PM, 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> If the J! Facebook page is representative (always a guess) a fair number
> of people have had trouble logging in last night and tonight (the Adult
> test is also offered tomorrow).  I logged in to the site early, and logged
> in again for the test at least 5 minutes before the scheduled test time.  I
> got in, but without knowing what the problem is/was, I don't know how much
> it will help to follow that strategy.
>
> David
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Lester Holt Doesn't Understand Time

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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Doug Eastick  wrote:

> Holt (or his writers) are not the only ones guilty.
>

Everything he complains about was there in the NBC News house writing style
back when it was Brian Williams reading the words off the prompter. One of
the TVs at my gym has been on ABC at 5:30 Central a lot lately and I've
noticed that ABC also tends to promote a hell of a lot of news as breaking
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Graham Norton show

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On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 4:13 AM, Adam Bowie  wrote:

> the One Show (hard for me to describe...)
>

The best analogy I can come up with is to imagine if NBC cut the news and
weather out of the third hour of the Today show, then stuck it between the
evening news and prime time. Lots of cross promotion, C-list celebrities
with projects to promote, human interest or pop science/culture stories,
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Re: [TV orNotTV] SportsTV: College f-ball bowl scheduling leads to sucky ratings

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"And just to be clear, nobody I’m acquainted with “had the option not to.”
New Year’s Eve just generally isn’t considered a paid holiday here."


Did nobody you know have the ability to take vacation or some other form of
PTO on New Year's Eve? That's the "option" I was referring to, and the
option most of my friends and family used in order to not go to work.

I wouldn't say that it's normal to have an actual paid holiday on New
Year's Eve around here, but between holiday travel, the way that Austin's
culture is dominated by the University of Texas, state and local
government, and the tech industry (all of which are pretty generous with
the late-December holidays), I think we've hit a critical mass where people
have started taking time off because they feel like "everyone else" is off.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] SportsTV: College f-ball bowl scheduling leads to sucky ratings

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On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Doug Fields  wrote:

> Seriously, who **doesn’t** work New Year’s Eve if it falls on a weekday?
>

Among my family and social circles, working New Year's Eve isn't the norm
if you have the option not to. Almost all of the people I know who worked
on New Year's Eve this year are in retail or the kind of jobs that get no
holidays (first responders, doctors, reporters.)

My father's big multinational employer issued an order that anyone who
worked that week had to do it from home because there weren't going to be
enough people coming in to justify the expense of keeping the lights and
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Re: [TV orNotTV] SportsTV: College f-ball bowl scheduling leads to sucky ratings

[David Lynch]

I saw something that unquestioningly reported that the College Football
Playoffs folks wanted to stake out New Year's Eve as a holiday for watching
college football in the way that the NFL has Thanksgiving and the NBA has
Christmas and completely ignored the fact that they already have New Year's
Day.

The Yahoo piece makes a good point about the first game being too early for
a day when some people are working a full day, but the thing that jumped
out at me on the day itself was the scheduling of the second bowl. it
started at 8:00 PM Eastern, and considering that college football games
without the additional pomp, circumstance, and ad time of a bowl have been
known to stretch past the four-hour mark, I feel like they were lucky to
get it all in before midnight. A friend based in the Mountain Time Zone
said on social media that it felt like he had to choose between a New Years
Eve party and football -- the 6:00 PM kickoff is too early to start a party
when you know that you're going to be there until after midnight, but the
roughly 9:45 PM end time was too late to try to go somewhere else after the
game.

On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 9:19 AM, Joe Hass  wrote:

> This was not Disney's fault. They pleaded to move the games to Saturday,
> but the college football overlords insisted that everyone would change
> their plans. Add to that they're continued deference to the bowl games
> themselves (especially the Rose Bowl who will not move from their 2:00 PM
> January 1 kick), and you've got this.
>
> Dan Wetzel nails this:
> http://sports.yahoo.com/news/awful-cfp-semifinal-ratings-show-executives-there-is-a-limit-to-greed-001910612-ncaaf.html
>
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2016, 19:05 Bob Jersey  wrote:
>
>>
>> And a slew of embarrassment around Bristol... the semifinals in the
>> championship bracket ended up on New Year's Eve, and suffered accordingly
>> (both south of 20mil viewers/10 rating overall) despite plenty of
>> trans-Disney promotion... heads of the involved conferences can always
>> agree to tweak things for coming years, but can't move the semis too close
>> to the agreed final game date (generally the second Monday of January)...
>>
>> USA TODAY, f'rinstance
>> 
>> (link)
>>
>> B
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[TV orNotTV] NFL Flexes week 17

[David Lynch]

With only one prime-time game, it goes to this week's supposed must-watch
of Minnesota-Green Bay, where the winner takes the NFC North title and the
loser is still in the playoffs as a wild card.

Also, Tampa at Carolina moves to 4:25 and Oakland at Kansas City gets
flexed from 1:00 on CBS to 4:25 on Fox (network switch per the Chiefs'
Twitter; don't see it mentioned elsewhere.)

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: BriWi special report: "optional" to affiliates

[David Lynch]

I would assume that it could be considered to be a breach of the
affiliation agreement in the same way that NBC said it would be if Boston's
WHDH stopped airing the Leno at 10 PM disaster in favor of local news.

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Joe Hass  wrote:

> But what I want to focus on is the idea that there's a "required"
> roadblock. So to adjust the example on the table, if NBC sent down the wire
> that this was a "required" special report, but an affiliate disagrees and
> decides not to take it because they don't think it's newsworthy enough to
> break into programming, what happens to the affiliate.
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 6:35 AM JW  wrote:
>
>> > Here's my question: assuming a station isn't
>> > airing NBC programming at that exact moment,
>> > in what way can NBC force them to take a
>> > special report?
>>
>> I'll defer to anyone who actually works in the industry, but Special
>> Reports are rare enough that stations can reasonably assume they're
>> actually news worth breaking in for.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] NY station to battle news with news

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I'm surprised that it's taken this long for someone to do it in New York.
Out here in central time, where the network newscasts are in the middle of
the evening news blocks rather than running anchor, it seems like it's a
pretty common practice among non-big-3 affiliates, including on WPIX's
sister station WGN.

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 2:54 PM Bob Jersey  wrote:

>
> [Old, and would have been lost if not for a recap mail sent out by
> TVNewsCheck...]
>
> Network with local, that is... WPIX sometime next month plans to go
> head-to-head with the three nets' dinnertime 'casts, with vets Kaity Tong
> and Brenda Blackmon as anchors... the Post
> 
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[TV orNotTV] Quickie Review; The Expanse

[David Lynch]

(With apologies to Kevin for borrowing something that's usually his
feature.)

Syfy attempts a return to "hard" science fiction, and the apple hasn't
fallen far from the "Battlestar Galactica" tree. In a nod to the influence
premium TV has on prestige TV, there's zero G sex and bare (but strangely
nippleless) breasts within the first five minutes, with the assistance of
CGI that's less convincingly human than the new Fallout game.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/tv-season/the-expanse-season-1/id1059088673 and
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Re: [TV orNotTV] At least 15mil log into NFL's Yahoo-only* game Sunday

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Also, if you at all went to yahoo.com or a few other sites they own, you
were shown a live stream whether you asked for it or not. How many of the
streams were for that reason only and not because the person actually
wanted to see the stream? I'm at least one of those millions for that very
reason...

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:40 AM PGage  wrote:

> I watched the whole game on Yahoo (that was a 6:30 am start time out here)
> on my iPad (so I could just stay in bed). I was impressed with the quality
> of the picture and sound.
>
> But I still hate London games. And, if I have not mentioned it this season
> yet, I still detest Thursday games (except for Thanksgiving).
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Tom Wolper  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Bob Jersey 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> *Yes, I am aware that CBS stations in the team market carried it...
>>>
>>> They're still counting it up back at Y!, as there were/are many ways to
>>> reach the stream of da Bills "at" da Jags...
>>>
>>> Technical issues were apparently kept in check; while Marissa Mayer said
>>> that ad space was sold out, one report noted spot rates were cut and some
>>> avails still remained by the morning-of...
>>>
>>> *THR*
>>> 
>>> (link)
>>>
>>
>> It takes some effort to get beyond the press release language in the
>> article, but the first takeaway is that the 'time watched' divided by
>> 'unique viewers' is 30 minutes in a 3 hour broadcast. That means a few
>> people watched the whole 3 hour game and the vast majority took a look just
>> to see what was going on. Since the game was not a blowout it was not a
>> case of tuning in, seeing that the game was out of reach, and tuning out.
>>
>> And, of course, NFL games are always live streamed, just not legally. If
>> the Yahoo live stream didn't draw people away from pirated streams I don't
>> know what good it will be.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Colbert Evolution Dept.

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One thing I noticed with last night's episode and the portion of tonight's
episode that I've seen so far is that Stay Human sounds a lot more like the
typical late-night talk show band than they did before, particularly for
the music into and out of breaks and as guests walk out. I can't tell if
it's that they changed what they're playing, the mix, or both, although I'm
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Re: [TV orNotTV] It's the Late Late Showwwww baby

[David Lynch]

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Melissa P 
wrote:

> Often a problem for me, because I don’t have a car when I’m in LA.  In
> January, I was able to hide my (turned off) phone in my purse at two
> sitcoms.
>
>
>
When I was out there in July, I took Uber to and from my taping of The
Price Is Right so I didn't have to pay for parking at The Grove. if CBS
security hadn't offered the option to check cell phones, it would have been
particularly tough to handle.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] New camera for cbs

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I actually thought CBS did pretty well at showing restraint on its use in
last night's matchup between the Chiefs and the Colts, although I did
notice one gratuitous shot of the pylon getting knocked over when it was
otherwise irrelevant to the play. And in last night's case, a touchdown
call got reversed when the pylon cam captured the player's knee on the turf
before the ball crossed the goal line, and it looked to me like that call
would have stood without it because of the runner's body blocking the view
of the ball from any camera mounted much higher.

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> I saw a game with this camera a year or so ago. It didn't help with
> goal line at  all, but in one sideline call, two other cameras made it
> look like the ref was a complete dolt and the pylon sideline camera
> showed the ref got it right. This may be more than just a gimmick.
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Joe Hass  wrote:
> > Great: another pointless camera angle to delay coaches challenges.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 5:38 AM Doug Eastick  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25288232/cbs-unveils-pylon-cam-for-thursday-night-football-and-nfl-on-cbs
> >>
> >> URL gives the highlight.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Prison to be broken out of again on Fox

[David Lynch]

This strikes me as an interesting idea because the original was conceived
of as a limited-run series and, IMO, would have worked a lot better as one,
without the conspiracy stuff that seemed to be there just to guarantee that
there was some kind of through line between season one baddies and the ones
after the titular prison break.

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Bob Jersey bob.in.jer...@juno.com wrote:


 Dana Walden saying as such to TCA... and somehow, they'll work Wentworth
 Miller into it despite events involving him in the original.

 She used the term 'eventized', meaning don't expect it to run very long, a
 la *X-Files* *bis*.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Is there too much TV on TV?

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371 original scripted series, of which eight were worth watching and they
were all scheduled for Sunday nights at 9:00...

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Bob Jersey bob.in.jer...@juno.com wrote:


 John Landgraf (FX Networks) noted to TCA that in 2014 there were 371
 original scripted series made, and the figure could top 400 this year... he
 blamed the glut for the demise of one show he had there, *The Comedians*
 ...

 A decline in number of series is very possible, he said, and the TV
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Re: [TV orNotTV] TDS recap (SPOILERS)

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One thing that I kept noticing was that Jon kept describing it as the end
of the show and not the end of his tenure with the show, and I felt like
the lengthy tribute to the backstage and back-office staff reenforced the
sense that it was the end of the show and not the end of an era. That felt
really strange to me, considering that my impression was that this
transition is more or less a hiatus in the otherwise-continuous production
of The Daily Show, and not a case of wrapping up one production and
starting a whole new one, as with Letterman/Colbert, Ferguson/Corden, or
O'Brien/Leno/Fallon.

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 Biggest surprise: Kilborn looks like he's been doing time in prison.  Has
 he had health issues?
 Stewart's last musical guest may not have been as touching as the Foo
 Fighters but was better than Dylan or Eddie.
 Arby's has a sense of humor.
 I liked how they handled Wyatt Cenac.
 I think Trevor Noah needs to revamp the show drastically and not do a poor
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Community reported cancelled again

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On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Mark Jeffries spotligh...@gmail.com wrote:

 1320 Seconds, a newsmag parody


1320 seconds = 22 minutes, which begs the question of whether the CBC is
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Late show finale

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On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Bob Jersey bob.in.jer...@juno.com wrote:

 A Google Business View detail (they visited our local baseball team the
 other year) reportedly went inside the Ed in 2014... dang if I can find it
 now...


Here it is.

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.763839,-73.982881,3a,75y,51.96h,68.09t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sxFrKsv1NQ8cAAAQpmJ_B9Q!2e0!3e2!6m1!1e1

One thing I don't think I had ever realized until I wandered around in this
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Re: [TV orNotTV] The next host of AFV IS...

[David Lynch]

He was passable on the blackjack-themed game show he hosted for GSN, but
it's not hard to shine when the other hosts of original programming on the
network include Sherri Shepard and Bill Engvall.

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 10:09 PM, Jon Delfin jondel...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ah, but ... he's kind of awful on Unwrapped 2.0. I choke on the oiliness.

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 He took over for Marc Summers when Food Network revamped Unwrapped so
 I suspect Alfonso has the chops.


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Re: [TV orNotTV] Mass cast exodus (of one) in SF?

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On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 1:08 PM Tom Wolper twol...@gmail.com wrote:

 the idea that the showrunners spend decade after decade pissed off with
 Shearer but unwilling to act at all is laughable. It's akin to the
 elderly divorcing couple who were just waiting until the kids died.


I don't see why you think that it's impossible for him to be difficult
enough to work with that they won't miss him when he's gone but not so
difficult that firing and replacing him would be worth the effort and the
potential disruption that it would bring.

My entire (non-entertainment-related) industry is chock full of people who
are miserable to be around but too good at what they do to actually fire,
and I suspect that it isn't the only one.

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[TV orNotTV] Sábado Gigante to end

[David Lynch]

The story en español from Univision News
http://noticias.univision.com/article/2306271/2015-04-17/estados-unidos/noticias/univision-anuncia-la-ultima-temporada-de-sabado-gigante?cmpid=444222.
My quick translation of the first couple paragraphs below.

After 53 years on the air and almost 30 of them produced and broadcast in
the United States, the popular program Sábado Gigante, hosted by Don
Francisco, ends its successful run in September of this year. The
entertainment division of Univision, the network which has presented the
show since 1986 and which has brought it to more than 40 countries,
announced that the final program of its run will be broadcast on the 19th
of September, at the end of the 2014-2015 television season.

Sábado Gigante is the longest-running entertainment program in the history
of global television. Since 2001, when the show had completed 40 seasons,
the show has been in the Guinness Book of World Records. Curiously, the
origin of the show was a Sunday show, broadcast in August 1962.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Fox and NewsCorp, together again... in one NY building?

[David Lynch]

Based on the videos on their web site, the Fox Philly look is the standard
FNC-inspired look for Fox OO stations, but since it rolled out several
years ago, the FNC graphics have gotten more obnoxious and the Fox OO
graphics have been tweaked to be less flashy, so they no longer look that
similar. About the only time you still see the FNC graphics that inspired
the OO look are when there's a big enough story going on that Fox News
produces a special report for the broadcast network.

On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 10:10 PM Bob Jersey bob.in.jer...@juno.com wrote:


 I took the main-floor studio thang to only mean FNC. As for graphics, I
 can say that Philly still hasn't gone FNCish yet.


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Re: [TV orNotTV] Trevor Noah named host of The Daily Show

[David Lynch]

On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 8:43 AM Bob Jersey bob.in.jer...@juno.com wrote:


 Aasif Mandvi at a LinkedIn conference reiterated what many are thinking...
 does Twitter have to be *that* significant, even years after any given
 thing said there?  TheWrap
 http://www.thewrap.com/trevor-noah-defended-by-daily-show-star-aasif-mandvi-controversy-much-ado-about-nothing/?utm_source=newsletterutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=mailchimp
 (link)


I can't defend some of the jokes, but the entire thing to me had the
feeling of someone (or multiple someones) specifically looking for
something controversial because outrage is the only thing that gets
anyone's attention these days and I'm not sure that I like that.

This also feels like one of the early rounds of some friction that I've
seen predicted for quite some time, between the internet native
generation's attitudes that social media posts are communications in and of
a moment and not necessarily meant for posterity and the established
feeling that anything that gets committed to writing, photo, or video under
your name sticks with you for all eternity. Something is going to have to
give there, but I don't know what will give or what norms will be once that
happens.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Adult Jeopardy! Test in April

[David Lynch]

I think I have to withdraw my assumption that it had been in the works for
a while. A Facebook friend who was in the studio for a taping more recently
says that she was told that the test is late because of the hacking of
parent company Sony Pictures. It does seem reasonable timing for the
December hack to impact the usual January test date.

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 6:51 PM David Lynch djly...@gmail.com wrote:

 My mother got an in-person audition in late spring/early summer last year
 and was told that it was a good time to do it because the people in that
 audition would be in the pool for an unusually long period of time spanning
 all of the 2014-15 season and part of another (she wasn't clear if it was
 the last few tapings of 2013-14 or 2015-16, but I'm inclined to think the
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Adult Jeopardy! Test in April

[David Lynch]

My mother got an in-person audition in late spring/early summer last year
and was told that it was a good time to do it because the people in that
audition would be in the pool for an unusually long period of time spanning
all of the 2014-15 season and part of another (she wasn't clear if it was
the last few tapings of 2013-14 or 2015-16, but I'm inclined to think the
latter.)

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: James Corden

[David Lynch]

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:23 PM, 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV 
tvornottv@googlegroups.com wrote:

 I'd have thought this was a result of delaying the premiere from March 9.
 Not that it makes much difference to have a full week of shows before two
 weeks of shows affected by the tournament.


Given the way late night seems to be going, I wouldn't be shocked to see a
two-week-old episode as a rerun.

What surprises me a bit, now that I think about it, is that CBS didn't use
this opportunity to have Dave go dark for a couple nights and air Corden in
his regular time slot (+/- whatever delay there is due to sports) with a
local news lead in. It seems like a better option than a new episode at
1:30 on Saturday morning or rerunning after three days.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: James Corden

[David Lynch]

On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 12:43 PM John Edwards jedward...@gmail.com wrote:

 I assume the plan is local news at midnight, Dave at 12:37, Corden gets a
 vacation.


Time-Warner's web based interface for my CBS affiliate has news at 12:00
ET, Dave at 12:25, and James (with a generic description of The English
actor interviews guests and hosts musical performances) at 1:37.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] The straw that broke the Beeb's back?

[David Lynch]

The Telegraph's source isn't even given a vague description so a mere grain
of salt might be generous, but on the other hand, I suspect that if any
paper had a direct line to Clarkson or his allies in the Chipping Norton
set it would be the so-called Torygraph.

On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 7:14 PM chia...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 Take with a grain of salt, but you may want to pour one out for Jezza if
 unconfirmed reports are indeed true.

 http://www.businessinsider.com/report-top-gear-host-
 jeremy-clarkson-will-be-fired-by-the-bbc-2015-3

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