Re: [TV orNotTV] Did Fallon need to introduce himself last night?

[M-D November]

Your math is off slightly. Three hosts of "Tonight" since Carson, but only two 
(plus Dave) have "Late Night" on their resume. Leno never had his own TV gig - 
his claim to Johnny's throne was his position as the final (permanent) 
substitute host. Dave, Conan and Jimmy all carried a show for years, where Jay 
worked a week at a time between Doritos ads. 

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Fallon Ties Conan 'Tonight' Premiere in Nielsens, Still Beat by Big Jaw's (Second) Farewell

[M-D November]

Vivino was the link I was missing, but it makes sense as he was the musical 
director while at NBC and now fronts Conan's Basic Cable Band. 

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[TV orNotTV] Re: WWE could switch channels again

[M-D November]

WWE is in an interesting position - for the first time, they've got both 
major weekly properties (Monday Night Raw, currently on USA, and SmackDown, 
currently on - ugh - SyFy) to shop in one deal.  Prior to the existing 
agreement, Raw & Smackdown were shopped separately, as SmackDown had been 
an anchor on UPN/CW for a number of years before eventually migrating to 
SyFy.

Interesting, too, because WWE is getting ready to launch their own 
"network" (which isn't REALLY a network) in under a week, although that's 
going to have more of a bearing on their relationship with cable/satellite 
companies (see their current tiff with Dish over the next PPV) since a 
WWENet subscription will include all monthly PPV events.

On Thursday, February 20, 2014 10:04:30 AM UTC-5, Bob Jersey wrote:
>
> The rasslin' firm's exclusive negotiating window with NBCU has closed, and 
> they're far apart on future money terms...
>
>
> http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-et-ct-wwe-nbc-20140218,0,4558858.story#axzz2tsHsbaGz
>
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Dave gets the JIP treatment?

[M-D November]

Duke does, indeed, suck.

Let's go Orange!




On Friday, February 21, 2014 10:53:01 AM UTC-5, BigOShowtime wrote:
>
>
>  Bob Jersey > wrote: 
> > 
> > stannc, in part: 
> > > 
> > > Is someone at WBTV letting the interns run the equipment again? 
> > > 
> > > Of course! The veterans are all watching the game and talking (and 
> > talking, and talking, *and* *talking*) about it afterwards. 
> > 
> > It's the Atlantic Coast Conference obviously, but was this the Duke/UNC 
> > game that got postponed by a previous storm? 
>
> Yep. Good guys* won it, 74-66. 
>
> *Good guys meaning Carolina, of course. 
>   
> PS: Duke still sucks. 
>
> ~D 
>

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[TV orNotTV] Re: Burke-Charvet Out on 'DWTS'

[M-D November]

Isn't Erin Andrews under contract to the Worldwide Leader...?

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[TV orNotTV] Save the cheerleader, save the world, re-boot the show

[M-D November]

Go home, NBC. You're drunk. 

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[TV orNotTV] Re: Late Night with Seth

[M-D November]

Point of clarification: Seth & Jimmy aren't across the hall from each 
other.  Jimmy is in 6B, Seth is in 8G - in 30Rock, the number is always the 
floor on which the studio floor resides. (Hence, "Today" is in Studio 1A...)

Seth's next door neighbor is, obviously, SNL in 8H.  Jimmy's 'neighbor', 
right now, is the shell of his old studio, which IIRC will become the 
Meredith Show's set in the fall.

On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 2:50:42 PM UTC-5, Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:
>
> Frankly, as I'm watching the first episode, I'm comparing it the Dennis 
> Miller's days hosting the syndicated talk show from Tribune. Both were 
> Weekend Update anchors who made a leap into talk show wars. And both faced 
> a hard climb to succeed. Miller had to accept that such a show was not for 
> him (he also had to accept that Shannen Doherty was not a good talk show 
> guest, but I still like her). As for Meyers, here's my breakdown of the 
> first installment:
>
> The opening theme sounds almost exactly like a hymn we used to sing in 
> church. I can't think of the name of the hymn, but it will come to me 
> later. In any event, the theme/hymn drones on and feels longer than it is. 
>
> One comparison to Fallon: He has better monologue writers than Fallon, but 
> he still reads the jokes like he's sitting behind the Weekend Update desk. 
>
> The banter between Meyers and Armison (Armeson? Armisin? don't care enough 
> to look it up) sounded rehearsed and forced. 
>
> Meyers' flat-tire story convinced every adult male in the midwest that 
> he's a dink. The Venn Diagram segment convinced Arizonans not to watch him, 
> but I doubt they were predisposed to watch him anyway. 
>
> Olympic recap was uninspired... basically an SNL Update segment.
>
> Amy Poehler was probably a good choice for first guest, because there 
> wasn't enough of a connection to SNL on the show. But seriously, it 
> probably helped Meyers to interview someone he's comfortable with and 
> knows. 
>
> In my mind, having the VP as a guest had the potential for disaster. I 
> couldn't help but think back to Leno's first Tonight Show when he had an 
> economist on to grind things to a halt. But keeping Poehler on the set at 
> least gave both guys something to talk about to sort of keep things loose. 
>
> Meyers chose a great musical guest. Great Big World's song "Say Something" 
> is in my opinion one of the best heartbreak ballads ever written. with or 
> without Christina Aguilera's harmony. 
>
> Overall, this was a better hour of television than Fallon's first Late 
> Night or his first Tonight Show. I think if the show is still around in six 
> months, several things will change.
>
> One thing I would do as Lorne Michaels is take advantage of two 
> back-to-back shows across the hall from one another. Crossover musical 
> guests, get the two hosts bantering... heck, that precarious rooftop 
> concert stage can be shared, right? Make the block from 11:35-1:35 seem 
> like a giant penthouse party. Maybe even do what Kimmel did when he started 
> and offer alcohol to the audience. But above all, for me to tune in, I want 
> to see more spontaneous moments. Both new shows felt forced and timed down 
> to the second, but if you have a live audience, take a breath, experiment 
> and power through the stuff that doesn't work. 
>
> But I will say I enjoyed Late Night with Seth more than I expected to. It 
> won't be appointment TV, but I'd wager I'll watch him more times than I 
> watch Fallon.
>
> -- 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Could he be any more "Odd"?

[M-D November]

I recall he wasn't a fantastic guest on Top Gear either, and that's about 
as informal an interview environment as you can get.

On Friday, February 28, 2014 2:45:59 PM UTC-5, Diner wrote:
>
>
> On Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:08:07 AM UTC-5, Doug Fields wrote: 
>>
>>  He's doing the best work of *lots* of people's careers.  It's a little 
>> inconsistent from episode to episode at times...but at other times, that 
>> show is incredible...and I'm assuming that a good chunk of the inside jokes 
>> made at the expense of all the Hollywood weasels are going right over my 
>> head, unnoticed.
>>  
>>
>  
> I haven't seen "Episodes" (not being a cable subscriber), but I caught Mr. 
> LeBlanc with CraigyFerg a few weeks ago. Boy, in almost twenty years as a 
> talk show guest, LeBlanc has hardly improved at all. I remember him being 
> nearly uncommunicative with Conan and Jay in the nineties, and he's pretty 
> much the same today. (Jay would sometimes get him to perk up by asking him 
> about his motorcycle collection, but his enthusiasm never lasted long.) I 
> skipped a big chunk of the interview, which I've never done with Craig 
> before.
>  
> -Tim
>

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[TV orNotTV] Two more seasons for 'Archer'

[M-D November]

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[TV orNotTV] SCG on SCI

[M-D November]

Curious: now that Hollywood Game Night is using "Celebrity Name Game" as the 
title of its bonus round, will SCG's show get renamed?

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Swan song to Big Jaw...

[M-D November]

Interestingly, the new studio for KNBC looks like a near clone of WNBC's 
current news set (save for the scale of the studio).

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Here's your list of TNT spring/summer premieres

[M-D November]

Rats. I was hoping "Murder in the First" might have something to do with 
the Christian Slater/Kevin Bacon/Gary Oldman movie from the 
mid-90s. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113870/?ref_=nv_sr_1

On Sunday, March 16, 2014 5:41:43 PM UTC-4, Adam Bowie wrote:
>
> It was Stephen Bochco's new series in the piece that interested me the 
> most too. 
>
> It must be said that from the face of it "Murder in the First" sounds just 
> a little bit like "Murder One." 
>
>
> Adam
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 7:45 PM, Kevin M. 
> > wrote:
>
>> The Wrap credits Stephen Bochco's previous achievements as "NYPD Blue" 
>> and "Cop Rock." Really, The Wrap? Five decades of writing and producing 
>> credits to his name, and you gotta bring up "Cop Rock"? Maybe it's time to 
>> let it go. 
>>
>> I've been binge watching "NYPD Blue" lately. I forgot the screen 
>> chemistry between Smits and Franz. You truly believe they were partners and 
>> best friends. I'm annoyed that I only have the first five seasons on DVD 
>> and the last two seasons as digital files. Missing seasons 6 through 10, 
>> which includes the death of Smits' character, the death of Andy's wife, and 
>> the introduction of Zach from "Saved By The Bell" (I joke, but he was much 
>> better than The Rickster). 
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Bob Jersey 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Mom may or may not still be interested in Falling Skies.
>>>
>>> I still miss Memphis Beat.
>>>
>>> http://www.thewrap.com/tnt-reveals-summer-slate-10-original-series/
>>>
>>> B
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[TV orNotTV] Re: Could he be any more "Odd"?

[M-D November]

And HuffPoTV is reporting that Wendell Pierce (late of *Treme* and *The 
Michael J. Fox Show*) has signed on to play "a neurotic cop".  No official 
word on whether the character's name will remain 'Murray', as it was in the 
original.

On Saturday, March 15, 2014 3:52:27 PM UTC-4, Bob Jersey wrote:
>
>
> Back on February 25, Brad Beam wrote:
>>
>> Matthew Perry would play Oscar, as CBS looks to re-rack “The Odd Couple.” 
>> (No Felix, as yet.)
>>
>>
>> http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2014/02/25/cbs-orders-odd-couple-pilot-starring-matthew-perry/5817169/
>>
>>  
>>
> Thomas (*Reno 911*) Lennon wins the Felix role.
>
>
> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/thomas-lennon-star-opposite-matthew-688445
>
> B 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] SemiNoTV: WB Refunding 'Veronica Mars' ContributorsComplaining About Download

[M-D November]

1) agreed, but some Kickstarter users don't understand that they're not 
buying a thing, they're supporting a project, and the thing is a gift.
2) no, an HD stream was not offered, simply a copy of the movie when 
available on VOD. The original offer didn't commit to any particular format.

All that being said, I contributed to the project, and while I'm not 
looking for a refund of any kind, I would *prefer *a code to download the 
film from iTunes vs. having to setup and use an UV client, since Apple is 
my chosen ecosystem, iTunes is my chosen media provider, and AppleTVs are 
what's connected to my television sets.

On Saturday, March 15, 2014 11:47:56 AM UTC-4, Jason Carpio wrote:
>
>  Two things. 1) get over yourself, it's just a movie download. 2) why the 
> heck are they downloading it? Did they not receive an HD option to stream?
>
> I use ultraviolet all the time with little issue
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> From: Mark Jeffries 
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> To: tvor...@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: [TV orNotTV] SemiNoTV:  WB Refunding 'Veronica Mars' 
> ContributorsComplaining About Download
>
> Although the just-released feature version of the Kristen Bell series is 
> now available on iTunes and Amazon, the Kickstarter campaign to fund the 
> film organized by creator Rob Thomas rewarded contributors with a digital 
> download of the film provided by Flixter and UltraViolet--some contributors 
> have complained about the quality of the download, saying that they will 
> never contribute to anything associated with "Veronica" again--Warners is 
> giving money back, while the trend towards crowdsourcing in Hollywood seems 
> to have run into a possible dead end: 
>
>
> http://www.thewrap.com/warner-bros-refund-veronica-mars-contributors-download-flixster-ultraviolet-problems?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=contactology
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[TV orNotTV] Re: PIvot: Your Peabody Awards Network

[M-D November]

...to which America responds "What the hell is Pivot?"

On Monday, March 17, 2014 4:36:29 PM UTC-4, Mark Jeffries wrote:
>
> The fledgling cable/online channel will televise specials spotlighting the 
> winners of the prestigious broadcasting awards after they are announced on 
> Apr. 2 and will televise the winners ceremony on May 19--the University of 
> Georgia has signed a three-year contract with the channel:
>
>
> http://www.thewrap.com/pivot-air-peabody-awards/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=contactology
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Savannah Guthrie Announces She Had Sexual Intercourse Just Before Thanksgiving

[M-D November]

NuKatie v.2 - a/k/a 'not Ann Curry'.

>From the Pedia of Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savannah_Guthrie
(I had no clue that she's 42 years old.  It would explain why they might 
have been in a hurry to make that baby, tho.)

On Monday, March 17, 2014 4:52:06 PM UTC-4, Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:
>
> Who or what is a Savannah Guthrie?
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 8:06 AM, PGage >wrote:
>
>> She got married over the weekend in Arizona, and is 4 months pregnant 
>> (apparently she planned the wedding then found out she was pregnant, so 
>> despite some commenters not a shotgun wedding, though even these days I'm 
>> sure Kabletown is happy she is married before she started showing on Today).
>>
>> All of her TV friends were there.
>>
>>
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[TV orNotTV] Re: So long, James Rebhorn

[M-D November]

I'll confess that I had to look Rebhorn up on IMDB. The reaction, as you'd 
expect was "Oooh.  THAT guy!"  One of best 'hardass/clueless dick' 
character actors in the business, along with Ronnie Cox. RIP.

On Monday, March 24, 2014 11:02:51 AM UTC-4, Bob Jersey wrote:
>
> A long list of film and telly roles, but famously as the judge in the 
> *Seinfeld* finale, and more recently on *Homeland* and USA's *White 
> Collar*.  In the Oranges of New Jersey; 65.
>
> TVNewsCheck(link)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] A few footnotes to the #cancelcolbert controversy...

[M-D November]

...and by "deleting", he means that Twitter co-founder Biz Stone, who 
happened to be last night's guest, 'blew up' the account with a 
cartoon-style plunger detonator adorned with the Twitter logo.

On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 3:53:07 PM UTC-4, Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:
>
> Colbert responded to the drummed up controversy on Monday night's episode. 
> He also called for an end to the threats against the girl who started the 
> #CancelColbert hashtag. He wrapped it up by deleting the @ColbertReport 
> Twitter account that had been maintained by Comedy Central. 
>
> https://twitter.com/ColbertReport
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Joe Hass 
> > wrote:
>
>> Yours truly regrets the error.
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Jim Ellwanger 
>> 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 29, 2014, at 9:32 AM, Joe Hass > 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > You're exactly right. The tweet was the punchline to a joke, but they 
>>> didn't post the joke. So if you didn't know the joke, the punchline makes 
>>> no sense. I get how we got here, but still: if you haven't figured out the 
>>> basis of the @StephenAtHome account, you might want to stay away from the 
>>> Internets for a while.
>>>
>>> The tweet actually came from Comedy Central's promotional @ColbertReport 
>>> account, not Stephen Colbert's personal @StephenAtHome account.  Pretty 
>>> much all @ColbertReport does is quote lines from the show and link to the 
>>> accompanying video on cc.com; while I've seen @StephenAtHome write 
>>> "follow-ups" to things from the show, I don't think I've ever seen him just 
>>> quote from the show verbatim.
>>>
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[TV orNotTV] GMA adding back a sports person?

[M-D November]

Isn't Strahan under contract to FOX Sports? Wouldn't using him as a sports 
correspondent on GMA in conflict with his FOX commitment? (As opposed to his 
work on Live where he functions as a presenter and not strictly as a sports 
correspondent.)

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Re: [TV orNotTV] CBS fools

[M-D November]

I saw Drew at the Stress Factory in *beautiful* New Brunswick, NJ  about a 
year ago (maybe more than a year - the original date was the weekend 
immediately after Sandy, and was rescheduled).  He killed.

On Thursday, April 3, 2014 2:46:17 PM UTC-4, Joe Coughlin wrote:
>
> Actually Drew still does do standup. I saw him do a drop in on a show in 
> LA maybe 2 years ago. I recall that it was funny (and made me think a 
> little). 
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Tom Wolper 
> > wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 2:42 AM, David Bruggeman 
>> 
>> > wrote:
>>  
>>> Guess I figured that Kilborn didn't quite fit the setup, and adding 
>>> Snyder wouldn't have mattered.  While it was a good monologue, Drew seemed 
>>> rushed all night.  Since this was equivalent to a test show, it's quite 
>>> understandable.
>>>
>>
>> I wasn't that thrilled with the show that Drew did. It does go back to 
>> that period of shows done after Kilborn left and Ferguson was chosen. While 
>> Craig Kilborn was a serviceable host, he ended up needing to bring his 
>> producer and writers on screen to make comedy work. He didn't make a real 
>> imprint on the show as host and his writers could work with that format and 
>> a series of new hosts and keep the show going.
>>
>> Craig Ferguson, on the other hand, has been there 10 years and has really 
>> imprinted his personality on the show. He has a smaller staff of writers 
>> who work with his style of monologue and he uses improv chops to do bits 
>> like the cold open and the tweets/emails. It would be difficult for any 
>> newcomer to take that stage and take it over. So my criticism of Drew isn't 
>> that he failed at doing Craig's show well, because that is just too high an 
>> expectation for one night.
>>
>> I was hoping that Drew's monologue would be more like Drew Carey standup 
>> that just going through a list of topical jokes. Since Drew is no longer 
>> doing standup even that might have been too much to hope for. My feeling 
>> with Drew is that he just wanted to get through the show. When Craig hosted 
>> TPIR I'm sure he figured that the vast majority of people watching did not 
>> know who he was or the style of comedy he does. But I thought he and Josh 
>> did enough to bring his spirit to TPIR without going too inside.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Letterman retiring in 2015, supposedly

[M-D November]

HuffPo TV is reporting that CBS courted Oliver to replace SCG in event he 
didn't renew his contract, and Oliver 
passed: 
www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/04/john-oliver-late-night-cbs_n_5091150.html?utm_hp_ref=tv&ir=TV
 
- so that ship has probably sailed.

I honestly don't see Craig Ferguson moving to 11:30.  If memory serves, 
after Dave's most recent health scare (shingles?), he had said something to 
the effect of 'I'll do it if it's an emergency, as a favor to the boss 
[meaning Dave], but I really don't want 11:30'.  I don't see CBS giving him 
the kind of free reign at 11:30 that he has now.  Also, his current LLS 
taping schedule gives him the freedom to tour and play stand-up gigs - an 
11:30 show won't have the kind of schedule that allows for anything but 
working on the show (unless, of course, your name rhymes with "Kay Beno" 
and you eat, sleep and piss jokes).

As much as he's the 'best' option, I don't see Stewart leaving Comedy 
Central.  And I don't see Conan leaving TBS, at least not until his 
contract is up.  

Actually, I have a name to add to the list - it's one that people probably 
haven't thought of because he's not currently a talk show host, and he's 
generally not widely regarded because he trades in the bluer side of 
broadcast TV humor but...

What about *Seth MacFarlane*?

He's got a made-for-TV personality, he can sing and dance (his album of 
American popular standards is actually quite good), and if his TV and movie 
work is any indication, he's a guy who likes to explore the boundaries of a 
genre.  Plus, I've seen him in some really great interviews - presumably he 
can get as good as he gives.  

Possible downsides: his prior work would make him a controversial choice, 
and there might be some celebrities who would shy away from appearing on 
his show at first.  But it's still not the worst idea ever 
*COUGH*Chevy*COUGH*.

On Friday, April 4, 2014 12:02:53 PM UTC-4, Joe Hass wrote:
>
> I have spent the better part of five minutes trying to find out the answer 
> to this question and failed: "How long is John Oliver's contract with HBO?" 
> Because that's the name that jumps out at me as the obvious answer. All the 
> names PG posted a while back are going to want cash, and a lot of it, as 
> well as being accepting of working four-days-a-week. Oliver is (relatively) 
> cheap, hot, talented, and probably one of the better interviewers out there.
>
> And if Oliver's not available, just get Zaltzman.
>
> One other point: I'm not understanding *why* everyone thinks Conan's not 
> an option. Does an irrational industry really look at him as damaged goods? 
> Do we think Conan's wouldn't at least want another crack at broadcast 11:35?
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:35 AM, > wrote:
>
>> Seriously?  I'd rank Stewart second, behind Letterman, and on a par with 
>> Craig Ferguson (in the sense that Ferguson's interviews are usually 
>> entertaining, if they're not necessarily all that serious)...at least among 
>> those hosts whose shows are primarily entertainment-centric.
>>
>> I'm also going to be interested in what CBS tries to do.  The pickin'sfor a 
>> replacement seem awfully slim to me.  I can't imagine them completely 
>> abandoning late night, with the investment they made in the franchise over 
>> the last 20 years, but the wrong choice for a replacement host (or a 
>> replacement show, for that matter) could have disastrous results.
>>
>> Doug Fields
>> Tampa, FL
>>
>>   Original Message 
>> Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] Letterman retiring in 2015, supposedly
>> From: PGage >
>> Date: Fri, April 04, 2014 11:04 am
>> To: "tvor...@googlegroups.com " 
>> 
>> >
>>
>> I doubt Stewart wants the job. And I'm not sure he would be particularly 
>> good at it. Stewart may be the worst celebrity interviewer currently 
>> working in late night.
>>
>> It will be interesting to see if CBS Decides to compete directly with ABC 
>> and  NBC with someone who can do Internet size bits of comedy aimed at the 
>> young. Or if they do more counterprogramming serving their older 
>> audience and those not disposed to the comedy of the Jimmy's.
>>
>> ://www.facebook.com/amnestyusa/posts/10202547739428599
>>
>> On Friday, April 4, 2014, Doug Fields > 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I can’t think of anybody who’s as qualified and ready to go right now as 
>>> Jon Stewart.  There was a period of 2-3 years just before The Daily Show 
>>> when Worldwide Pants (Letterman’s production company) had Stewart on a 
>>> retainer, but they apparently never found the right project for him.
>>>  
>>> He’s got the interviewing skills down, and could easily handle a 
>>> monologue.  After some of the stuff they’ve done at TDS, imagine what 
>>> he could do with a CBS-sized production budget.
>>>  
>>> Doug Fields
>>> Tampa, FL
>>>  
>>>  *From:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] *On 
>>> Behalf Of *PGage
>>> *Sent:* Thu

[TV orNotTV] Re: SCG

[M-D November]

I only got through the cold open, monologue and tweets & emails...aside a 
flippant joke about retiring (through the commercial break), I didn't catch 
anything about his contract status.  Did it come out in one of the 
interviews?

On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 12:11:59 PM UTC-4, donz5 wrote:
>
> Everything about last night's LLSwCF suggests that he's not re-upping 
> after his contract ends and that he has no desire whatsoever to move up to 
> 11:35 PM.
>
>

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Options for Comedy Central

[M-D November]

None of the shows you mentioned (Key & Peele, Inside Amy Schumer, Kroll 
Show, etc.) pair well enough with TDS to keep that hour in tact. TDS & 
Colbert work as a unit because the two shows, despite differing styles of 
satirizing the news, follow a similar vein.  Installing a sketch show into 
the 11:30 spot eliminates any possibility of topical humor that can tie 
into what TDS covered at the top of the hour, and will almost certainly 
result in viewers tuning out to Jimmy or Colbert.  (Of course, it's 
entirely likely the Colbert Nation will follow him anyway.)  Similarly, you 
can't just install @midnight at 11:30; aside from the obvious naming issue 
(@eleventhirty?), I don't think it's a strong enough show to hold viewers.

My vote would be for Sam Bee or John Hodgman to take 11:30.  Or maybe 
something with Bee and Jason Jones, doing a play on Fox & Friends or the 
other morning pundits-on-parade shows?  

On Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:06:19 PM UTC-4, David Bruggeman wrote:
>
> CC has been rolling out a series of shows (usually at 10 pm) over the last 
> 18-24 months that have led into TDS.  Most of them are sketch shows, others 
> are semi-scripted.  They might work in a rotating schedule at 11:30.
>
> I mean something like - have Key and Peele on Mondays, Amy Shumer on 
> Tuesdays, Review on Wednesdays, Workaholics on Thursdays.  Rotate the shows 
> once they run through their new batch of programs.  After 8-12 weeks, swap 
> them out for new episodes of Tosh.0, Broad City, Nick Kroll, etc.  New 
> programs can be plugged in as appropriate.
>
> Now I suggest this with no knowledge or understanding of whether these 
> shows get better than TDS/TCR numbers at 10.
>
> In terms of spinning off a correspondent, Samantha Bee is most senior, but 
> I'm not sure what the next TV show format to skewer should be.  The panel 
> shows?
>
> David
>
>   --
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> *To:* "tvor...@googlegroups.com " 
> > 
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 10, 2014 2:31 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [TV orNotTV] Letterman retiring in 2015, supposedly
>  
> I will start speculation on yet another front - what happens to Comedy 
> Central after TDS now? The article says Colbert told his staff they are all 
> coming with him, which is great (he probably has the best comedy writing 
> staff in television). I guess it was unlikely they were ever going to get 
> Dennis Miller (or whoever) to come in and replace Colbert to host the 
> Colbert Report, but if they want a second show to follow TDS they will be 
> starting from scratch. I wonder if they thought of this when Oliver was 
> leaving, or has the idea always been to move the Hardwick show (which I 
> have to admit I have never seen) to 11:30?  
>
>
>
>  

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[TV orNotTV] Re: Smile, TVLand...

[M-D November]

Does Candid Camera even work in an age when practically every device has a 
camera on it?

On Thursday, April 10, 2014 11:16:16 AM UTC-4, Bob Jersey wrote:
>
> ...the Viacom-owned net will get yet another round of *Candid Camera,*thanks 
> to Ben Silverman's company along with the younger Mr Funt.
>
> (When did they bring back *Punk'd*?)
>
> THR Live 
> Feed(link)
>
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] It's Colbert - or so says this Repor...

[M-D November]

Or "Tough Crowd with Colin Quinn", for that matter - which, if memory 
serves, was the last regularly scheduled program in the 11:30 timeslot 
prior to Colbert.

On Friday, April 11, 2014 2:31:24 AM UTC-4, John Edwards wrote:
>
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Jim Ellwanger 
> > 
> wrote: 
> > About a year and a half before "@midnight" premiered, I went to a pilot 
> > taping of a potential Comedy Central midnight show that was Paul F. 
> > Tompkins hosting comedians in a roundtable discussion about the day's 
> > pop-culture news -- it was excellent, and I definitely wouldn't mind 
> > seeing CC going back to that (assuming PFT is available). 
>
> How would that be different from what Politically Incorrect used to 
> be, or Chelsea Handler's soon-to-be former show? 
>
> John 
>
> -- 
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> incompetence, can you?" - Phil Tufnell 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] good sense from Mark Evanier

[M-D November]

Take this with a grain of salt, but earlier on the "Today" show it came out 
in the discussion of the Letterman/Colbert transition that Colbert had 
timed the expiration of his CC contract to coincide with the end of Dave's 
CBS agreement.  Not sure how much truth there is there, but if true, then 
Colbert has been thinking about this for a while.

On Friday, April 11, 2014 12:15:12 PM UTC-4, djl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 10:24 AM, PGage >wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 8:11 AM, Jon Delfin 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.newsfromme.com/2014/04/10/colbert/
>>>
>>
>> Again, I am not sure how good the kind of sense displayed here really is. 
>> If Les had not been thinking hard about who would replace Dave when his 
>> contract was up next year he would have been an idiot. If Dave had resigned 
>> for 2 or 3 more years after his current contract expired it would have been 
>> very unusual. We have seen zero evidence that CBS in any way pressured or 
>> even wanted Dave to not extend.
>>
>
> My suspicion of how this all went down: Dave had already said that this 
> contract would be his last and the phone call was just to confirm that he 
> hadn't changed his mind on it. Colbert and Moonves had already agreed that 
> he was going to take over, and the week's delay on the announcement was 
> because the timing caught them off guard and they still had to get the i's 
> dotted and t's crossed.
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] It's Colbert - or so says this Repor...

[M-D November]

I genuinely have no memory of Carrolla's show. So I'll revise my previous 
statement to say that Tough Crowd was the last reasonably-successful show at 
11:30 pre-Colbert.

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[TV orNotTV] Re: Social media, of course...

[M-D November]

I put absolutely zero stock in surveys conducted via hashtag.  The 'data' 
is too easily corrupted/co-opted.  (That said...a Tina Fey-fronted late 
night show? I want to go to there.)

On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 10:38:54 AM UTC-4, Bob Jersey wrote:
>
> ...seemed to suggest someone else for what ultimately went to Colbert... 
> by a yooge margin over someone commonly associated with her, who tied with 
> Stephen...
>
> The Keyhole 
> Blog,(link)
>  who follows that s__t
>
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Piers Morgan to be replaced by... nobody

[M-D November]

On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 3:02:49 AM UTC-4, Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 11:33 PM, Adam Bowie 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> I guess it'd be totally out of the question to just run a news hour? 
>>
>> There's no money in straight news. I may have my chronology wrong, but I 
> think the last prime time cable news show that wasn't personality-driven 
> was the one Brian Williams anchored before switching to NBC. 
>  
>
>> 1. Barely any hotel or motel has any kind of understanding of aspect 
>> rations. They all have widescreen TVs, but mostly they're somehow 
>> stretching the picture wrongly even though it too is widescreen. And this 
>> has very little bearing on how expensive or not the room is. The best 
>> adjusted TV I came across was in a dirt cheap motel. (I'd have a moan about 
>> HD downgraded to analogue SD before it gets delivered to the room's HD TV, 
>> but that'd be too easy).
>>
>
> This has to do with the type of feed the cable companies sell to hotels 
> and motels. Because they have to run through internal distribution 
> amplifiers, they aren't typically sent the latest and greatest signals 
> because hotel systems have to rescramble them to send to individual rooms. 
> In all likelihood, the cheap motel where you experienced decent TV was 
> probably due to them being too cheap to have their own dist. amps. so they 
> just paid for standard cable for each room.  
>
>>
>> 2, For the entire 29 days of my trip, I don't think I've seen CNN cover 
>> anything apart from that Malaysian plane. Right now, Anderson Cooper is 
>> probably bored to tears as he conducts yet another feature on it. They were 
>> showing how they found the Titanic earlier because that's relevant... 
>> Sometimes, they just make it easy for Fox to make fun of the "Plane 
>> Channel",
>>
>> Best Tweet I saw today was something along the lines of, "CNN has renewed 
> the search for Flight 370 for a second season." 
>
>
> -- 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Piers Morgan to be replaced by... nobody

[M-D November]

Actually even some of the larger hotels I've stayed at recently (Hiltons 
and the like) have moved away from LodgeNet and toward distribution of a 
local cable signal. I think with the proliferation of mobile gaming and 
internet-connected personal devices, in-room games and TV data are past 
their expiration date as amenities.

On Thursday, April 17, 2014 12:37:49 AM UTC-4, Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Bob Jersey 
> > wrote:
>>
>>
>> I didn't just throw 
>> Comcastand
>>  
>> TWout
>>  there as placeholders. (links to their hospitality-industry offerings)  
>> Kev only wants to look at the dumpwaters; I want to look only at the places 
>> (f'rinstance) the effin' District Court suggested to me in the process of 
>> harassing me into jury duty last year in the Philly-dilly.
>>
>> I don't recall saying that; I said the smaller hotels and motels probably 
> don't bother with the "offerings" such as on-tv games, menus, check-out, 
> and other options, so you'd be more likely to see consumer cable in those. 
>
> A lot of my friends have had jury duty recently. I'm told some of your 
> better jury rooms have free wifi now.  
>
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Piers Morgan to be replaced by... nobody

[M-D November]

Maybe he MEANT NCIS:LA?

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[TV orNotTV] Re: Quickie Review: Jim Henson's Creature Shop Challenge

[M-D November]

I feel like at least a bonus/sympathy point should be awarded for the fact 
that the show comes pretty close to fitting the channel's original (and 
oft-missed) niche.

On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 1:28:56 PM UTC-4, Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:
>
> A tour of the Chaplin/Henson studios would have been more entertaining. 
> Aside from the venue, it is just another formulaic fill-in-the-blank 
> reality competition series. 
>
> pilot free on iTunes
>
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/tv-season/what-lies-beneath/id836695279?i=836712736
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[TV orNotTV] Re: Not-totally-OT*: I'm listening...

[M-D November]

Out of curiosity (as someone who actually bought a ticket package for his 
local MiLB team), which team?

On Wednesday, April 23, 2014 11:33:24 AM UTC-4, Bob Jersey wrote:
>
> ...to the local minor-league baseball team's radio while entering today's 
> posts.
>
> *They're also on local cable, with whom they famously made the first such 
> deal in the country... every home game.
>
> Without identifying the people involved, let's just say... minor-league 
> ball, major-league @$$holes.
>
> B
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[TV orNotTV] Re: Not-totally-OT*: I'm listening...

[M-D November]

YACS. I think the Thunder air their games on TCNJ's radio station, but I'm 99% 
sure they don't have TV coverage. 

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[TV orNotTV] Re: family feud

[M-D November]

I'm surprised to see that Goodson/Todman would allow two of their shows 
(Feud & TPIR) to be pitted against each other, but it appears to have 
happened on multiple occasions.

On Thursday, April 24, 2014 12:00:25 AM UTC-4, Eastick, Doug wrote:
>
> just a random dump of thoughts.. 
> Maybe a year ago I read an article about something Steve Harvey said 
> during an interview with respect to his views on religious beliefs. That 
> kinda turned me off of him.But for some reason youtube suggested I 
> look at some clips of family feud.  Since I was a fan in the Richard 
> Dawson days, I was tempted and watched some.   A further read of 
> wikipedia reminded me that FF was on at 11:30am during daytime with 
> Richard.  I now distinctly recall this conflict with TPIR on days when I 
> was home sick from school (damn, life was sooo freakin easy back then, 
> eh?) 
>
> while I am of the opinion that I may not be able to tolerate watching a 
> full 22 minute episode, watching clips on youtube is very funny. 
>
> here are the clips I giggled at way too much the past few days. 
> - don't swallow .  yes, she says she's a pastor's wife.  - 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHnhbEzJAS8 
> - burgler, wait for the other guy's comment at 0:15 - 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqDGK_UjfFI 
> - no answer.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vovJ-JsK9h4 
>
>
>
>

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Craigyferg calls it quits

[M-D November]

I think it's more likely that Geoff has mechanical trouble from time to 
time because he wasn't designed with his current use in mind.  As Doug 
mentioned, he started life essentially as a 360 Systems Instant 
Replayconnected to a 
skeleton.  I'd imagine that in his original incarnation, 
Geoff's mouth, neck & (then) one good arm probably saw about 1/8 as much 
use on a nightly basis as they do now that JRT is providing a live voice 
every night.  Grant has given Geoff some incremental upgrades over time 
(the second working arm, most notably...although his genitals are still 
stuck at customs), but short of pulling Geoff from service for significant 
upgrades or making a Geoff 2.0, I don't imagine Geoff's fragility would 
change anytime soon.

On Monday, April 28, 2014 9:04:01 PM UTC-4, David Bruggeman wrote:
>
> I don't know how determinative it is, but Geoff is credited to JRT (voice) 
> and Grant Imahara (robot).  I think part of the reason Geoff has mechanical 
> trouble from time to time is that it's tough for Grant to find time to come 
> down from San Francisco to perform minor maintenance.
>
> David
>
>   --
>  *From:* Kevin M. >
> *To:* "tvor...@googlegroups.com " 
> > 
>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 28, 2014 8:50 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Craigyferg calls it quits
>  
> I'm curious whose "intellectual property" is Geoff Peterson? From what I 
> gather in his podcasts, JRT will be content to hang up the voice, but if he 
> wasn't, could Geoff do a road show?
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 5:30 PM, donz5 >wrote:
>
> Sucks, but not surprising. He had been dropping hints ever since Dave's 
> announcement.
>
>
> On Monday, April 28, 2014 8:23:34 PM UTC-4, Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:
>
> Gone this December. 
>
> http://www.cbspressexpress.com/cbs-entertainment/releases/view?id=38787
> -- 
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>  

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Re: [TV orNotTV] 'Grease' is the Word at Fox

[M-D November]

On Monday, April 28, 2014 4:39:50 PM UTC-4, Mark Jeffries wrote:
>
> And it should be pointed out that Osnes was already an Equity cardholder 
> who was working at Minnesota's Chanhassen Dinner Playhouse, the same place 
> where Amy Adams started, when she entered into the show.  I would think 
> that she would've made it to New York sooner or later--the reality comp 
> just got her there sooner.
>

There's no question that Osnes is talented, but to suggest she'd get an 
eventual break because she already had an AEA card is a bit presumptuous. 
 I know a lot of people who got their AEA or SAG cards early in their 
careers (working in NY or LA, no less) who never got called up to the bigs. 
 

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Quickie Review: Last Week Tonight

[M-D November]

Finally got a chance to watch Episode 1 tonight on HBOGO (dealing with some 
family stuff last night and forgot to set the DVR).  I laughed a lot, but 
yes, it did feel a bit like "TDS Weekend".  Which isn't necessarily a bad 
thing.  I think bringing a touch of the familiar works for Oliver, because 
it gives the audience what they expect to see, and got the show off to a 
hot start.  I'd have personally preferred a set that didn't evoke TDS quite 
so much, and the format was a little too familiar, but now that he's 
established, Oliver can start tweaking the format over the coming weeks.

On Monday, April 28, 2014 7:42:02 PM UTC-4, PGage wrote:
>
> Mostly agree with Kevin, though I would like to see more Bugle, and a 
> little less TDS, in the future. I saw a headline from Variety somewhere 
> that it played like the 5th episode of TDS for the week, which was pretty 
> close. He does not need Zaltzman (though I like him, and their dynamic) but 
> I think he does benefit from the conversational dynamic. But I will 
> definitly record, and watch, it every week.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Kevin M. 
> > wrote:
>
>> Part Bugle, part Daily Show, with a sprinkle of sketch comedy. I laughed 
>> a lot, but much of what the show is can be seen/heard elsewhere, so John 
>> Oliver is the only real selling point. Frankly, I'd have preferred if 
>> Oliver periodically cut away to Andy Zaltzman (as he did in his stand up 
>> special), but I guess that's too much to ask for. Besides, as a 
>> kinky-haired redhead myself, I know Andy isn't exactly TV-friendly.
>>
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[TV orNotTV] Re: KNBC's scaled down Universal newsroom named after Brokaw

[M-D November]

Two things:
1) I notice that both WNBC and KNBC have large (fake) "windows" behind the 
anchor desk, presumably carrying realtime video from somewhere in the 
viewing area (in NY, it's usually from one of the cameras atop 30Rock, tho 
sometimes they use the angle that looks down over the Today Show plaza, 
which is extremely off-putting).  Is this some new corporate mandated set? 
 Do other O&Os use a similar set design?

2) "He was a fixture on NBC4, or as it was known then, KNBC."  Are they 
implying the call sign has changed?

On Tuesday, April 29, 2014 2:04:44 PM UTC-4, Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:
>
> The end of the video is classic KNBC... because the newscast is run on 
> auto-pilot with robotic cameras and preprogramed cues in the switcher, even 
> a small change (like the buffoon that is Chuck Henry speaking) cannot be 
> compensated for. 
>
>
> http://www.nbclosangeles.com/video/#!/on-air/as-seen-on/Brokaw-Center-to-Be-Dedicated-in-Newsmans-Honor/257093081
> -- 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Viacom to acquire UK's Ch. 5

[M-D November]

Doesn't Fifth Gear air on 5?

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[TV orNotTV] Re: Former Sony chief, former rodeo rider among candidates to head BBC

[M-D November]

Hm. Makes sense. Didn't Stringer used to run CBS?

On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 10:56:59 AM UTC-4, Bob Jersey wrote:
>
> The 
> Guardian(link):
>  Sir Howard Stringer emerges as an early favourite for chair of the 
> BBC Trust, as Lord Patten's health forces him out... but Lady Marjorie 
> Scardino, who once bucked broncs in Texas, leads a group of women vying for 
> the spot... politicians apparently like Scardino...
>
> B
>
>
>

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[TV orNotTV] Re: NBC poaches the Bristol Bunch for new Today chief

[M-D November]

It couldn't hurt.  "Today" needs help.

I've been watching more of "Today" since I started working from home at the 
beginning of this year, and one thing struck me right away - the division 
between hard news and infotainment doesn't exist anymore.  It used to be 
that the transition from news to infotainment was a gradual slide starting 
from 7:30 until 9; now if they manage 10 minutes of actual 'news' in the 
7:00 hour (and I don't mean anything involving a Kardashian), that's a good 
day.

I'll come right out and say that the 4th hour dilutes the "Today" brand. 
 You want a clone of Kelly & Michael? Congratulations, you've got one 
(minus the studio audience).  But spin it off, give it to Peacock 
Productions and call it something OTHER than "Today".  Because right now, 
NBC's breadwinner is less associated with news and information than it is 
with two boozy middle-aged women drinking heavily at an inappropriate hour 
of the day.

And as far as the 3rd hour...honestly, other than star power, if there's a 
substantive difference between it and "Access Hollywood Live" (another show 
that seems to exist only to block time on NBC O&Os), I haven't figured it 
out.

On Thursday, May 8, 2014 11:25:56 AM UTC-4, Bob Jersey wrote:
>
> Jamie Horowitz, who while at ESPN birthed shows like *Olbermann* and *First 
> Take*, and helped bring the World Series of Poker to TV, was once part of 
> the Peacock's Olympics staff, and shared in four Emmy awards. *Variety 
> *(link)
>
> B
>
>
>

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Who is Dick Trickle?

[M-D November]

I thought the promo spots ("SPORTS! JEOPARDY! SPORTS! JEOPARDY! 
SPOOORTS!!!") were for the mobile game, not the forthcoming TV 
version...

And was it my imagination, or did Alex nearly offer his job to Ken Jennings 
during tonight's contestant chat segment?

On Monday, May 12, 2014 4:18:21 PM UTC-4, David Bruggeman wrote:
>
> Certainly possible, though I don't know if Patrick would want to leave 
> Connecticut or go the bi-coastal route for tapings on the mothership.
>
> Another possibility (not mutually exclusive) is that if Sports J! takes 
> off (BTW it has the worst promo spots during the mothership), other niche 
> editions could emerge.  
>
> David
>
>   --
>  *From:* Joe Coughlin >
> *To:* "tvor...@googlegroups.com " 
> > 
>
> *Sent:* Monday, May 12, 2014 3:51 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [TV orNotTV] Who is Dick Trickle?
>  
> Is it possible that this is seen by some at Sony an audition for Patrick 
> to possible take over the mothership when Trebek wraps up his run?
>
>
> On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Mark Jeffries 
> 
> > wrote:
>
> "Jeopardy!" E-mail says that they're starting "Sports Jeopardy!", which 
> will stream later this year at crackle.com with Dan Patrick hosting. 
>  They're taking names for contestants now, with more information on 
> interviews coming next Monday:
>
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[TV orNotTV] Re: NotTV: Iconic song accused of being part-stolen...

[M-D November]

There has to be some sort of statute of limitations on a claim like this, 
right? It's not like Stairway is a new song...even assuming Spirit wanted 
to wait a bit to see if the song would be a hit, it's been 43 years since 
the song was released...

On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 11:35:11 AM UTC-4, Bob Jersey wrote:
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>
> *Bloomberg 
> BusinessWeek*(link):
>  "It’s no secret Led Zeppelin borrowed from blues and folk musicians 
> in what it said was part of an organic tradition that created new, original 
> works," wrote Vernon Silver last week... it's one of those borrowings, 
> allegedly from the group Spirit's instrumental "Taurus" on its eponymous 
> début album in 1968, over which member Mark Andes and the executor for 
> writer Randy California are seeking a piece of the zillions "Stairway to 
> Heaven" has earned Jimmy Page lo these many decades... if you're good at 
> reading music, a linked game presents measures from both tunes challenging 
> players to determine which is from which...
>
> B
>
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Handler Officially Done on E!

[M-D November]

...just like they did with Conan. 

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Hulu in talks for Community

[M-D November]

Not commercial free, but the breaks are usually an order of magnitude 
shorter than your standard broadcast/VOD commercial pod.

On Thursday, May 29, 2014 1:46:14 PM UTC-4, Mark Jeffries wrote:
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> And somewhere else, the fanboiz are whining about the ads on Hulu--isn't 
> Hulu Plus commercial free?
>
> Mark Jeffries
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>
>
> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Bob Jersey  > wrote:
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>>
>> New episodes... the repeats are already there.
>>
>> Nellie 
>>  
>> (link) thinks it's possible, given what producer Sony previously did with 
>> *Damages* and DirecTV.
>>
>> B
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[TV orNotTV] Re: Good news/bad news for Stargate fans

[M-D November]

Considering I've never met a person who says "I loved the Stargate movie 
but never really liked the TV series", I don't see how this could be 
anything but bad news. 

FWIW, I'll agree that SGU was crap for 95% of its run - when the writing 
was on the wall and the producers/writers realized that nothing they did 
would get SyFy to uncancel the show, they finally got back to the business 
of writing a Stargate series, and the final episodes were actually quite 
good.  Of course, by that point the damage was done.  

But in defense of SGU, I don't entirely blame the production team, because 
I strongly suspect they were under pressure from SyFy to make SGU more 
BSG-like.  Of course, in a perfect world, SGU would never have launched and 
SG: Atlantis would have been allowed to continue.

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> The guys behind the original film have been given the greenlight to 
> develop a new Stargate trilogy of movies for MGM. These are not the guys 
> behind "Stargate SG1" which elevated the franchise from a barely regarded 
> cult film into something else entirely. In fact, if you ever heard the DVD 
> commentary on the original film, the originators despised just about 
> everything connected to SG1. So while I'm glad Stargate will continue, 
> since the last part of the franchise, SGU, was -- and I'm being kind here 
> -- unprecidented crap, I find it tough to be optimistic about putting it 
> back in Emmerich and Devlin's hands.
>
> https://www.facebook.com/officialstargatesg1/posts/703915079665826
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[TV orNotTV] Chyler Leigh is....Jimmy Fallon?

[M-D November]

No she'll get a movie BASED on a talk show. 

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[TV orNotTV] Re: Arsenio Gets Renewed

[M-D November]

Also not a talk show host, but wasn't Paul Reiser booked on Big Jaw that day 
his most recent sitcom was cancelled?

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Re: [TV orNotTV] NBC fall premieres revealed

[M-D November]

I know I risk a Man Card by saying this, but..."About A Boy" has really 
grown on me.

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> The Voice... because singing. 
>
> And A to Z... because I think Cristin Milioti is a cutie. Don't judge me. 
>
> ~D 
>
>  "Eastick wrote: 
> > Parenthood is the only thing on that list (except football) that I will 
> > watch. 
> > 
> > 
> > On 6/2/2014 10:01 PM, Kevin M. wrote: 
> > > It's official: I won't be watching anything on NBC this fall. 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] NFL passes on Roman numeral for Super Bowl 50

[M-D November]

Not "sport" so much as "sports entertainment", but the WWE has used Roman 
numerals on the titles of most Wrestlemania events (the most recent being 
Wrestlemania XXX).

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[TV orNotTV] Re: America's Favorite TV: The NFL

[M-D November]

It won't really work until after the season gets started, but... "The Red 
Zone Society"?

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> In NIelsen's season rankings (live plus seven days DVR), it's not just 
> "Sunday Night Football"--the 20 minutes before "SNF"'s kickoff (which is 
> not labeled "Football Night in America") and Fox's "The OT" postgame are 
> also in the top 5--"Big Bang" at number 2 and the Monday night "Voice" and 
> "Modern Family" tied at 5 are the non-football shows in the Top 5:
>
>
> http://www.thewrap.com/nfl-sunday-night-football-big-bang-theory-voice-modern-family-tv-ratings-season/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=contactology
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> But Fox calling their postgame "The OT" is so 2004--are there any 
> *current* Fox show titles they could play on for their title?
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[TV orNotTV] Re: A Very Bad Moment On ESPN2

[M-D November]

I'd be curious to pull up that game on ESPN3/WatchESPN to see if Bristol 
fixed the mistake after the fact...

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> I had no audio (I'm in a bar), but ESPN2 had one of the NCAA Baseball 
> Super Regionals a couple moments ago. It was 6-5 TCU over Pepperdine (at 
> TCU) in the bottom of the ninth with Pepperdine having runners on first and 
> third with two outs. Rather abruptly, the shot switched from the outfield 
> camera to the third-base camera. And a pitch later, they went to black. 
> About 20 seconds later, they come back to fireworks going off in center 
> field, then a slow tilt down to the TCU players celebrating. It held there 
> for about 10 seconds before going back to Bristol, where whomever was 
> anchoring coverage had the classic sad face. No replay, nothing. Obviously 
> something blew in the truck, but yeah: sucks to be Bristol tonight.
>

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[TV orNotTV] Re: So long, Live Well Network...

[M-D November]

I can't be the only person thinking "what the hell is the Live Well 
Network", right?

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> The go-dead date: "mid-January 2015". Personally not expecting a full 
> Viking funeral, just a silent fade to black. 
>
>
> http://www.mediabistro.com/tvspy/abc-pulling-the-plug-on-live-well-network_b122423?utm_medium=newsletter&utm_content=title&utm_source=TVSpy
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>
> ~D 
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[TV orNotTV] Re: Monte Carlo TV Festival hands out its honours

[M-D November]

A lot of love for "Top of the Lake", which IIRC wasn't received too warmly 
here.  (Or am I thinking of another mini...?)


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> PDF list  
> of winners... *Lilyhammer* and its star Steven... *Episodes*... and *NCIS*
> .
>
> B
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Fox Cans 'Riot' and 'Harry'

[M-D November]

Can't say I'm surprised about either of these cancellations. I didn't bother 
with "Harry", but as an improv devotee I had set a series recording for "Riot". 
After watching the pilot, I came away with the impression that it was trying 
too hard to be "high concept Whose Line", and the added bells and whistles (the 
trademark 22-degree stage for Slideshow, the bungee cord gimmick in A Bunch of 
Jerks, which itself was three WHIIA games smashed together) just got in the way 
of the performers and made things generally unfunny. I pretty much gave up on 
the show after the episode with Andy Dick (who apparently has never heard the 
"yes, and..." rule) and Tom Green as guest performers. 

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[TV orNotTV] OT: Issues with my browser and GG

[M-D November]

Try Chrome? Presumably GG wouldn't be borked in Google's own browser...

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[TV orNotTV] anybody ever been to a Colbert taping?

[M-D November]

Never done a Colbert taping, but I did a TDS taping in 2008. We got to the 
studio at about 3; there were already a few people in line, but no one camped 
out, probably because there's no 'standby' line like at Letterman. 

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[TV orNotTV] Re: SNL and Ben & Jerrys team up...

[M-D November]

I'm still waiting for "Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer Crunch".

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> ... for two flavors based on SNL skits I've never heard of. Apparently 
> they will release flavors based on classic SNL sketches soon. Looking 
> forward to eating me some Landshark Lemon or Quarry: The Ice Cream Made Of 
> Stone.
>
>
> http://eater.com/archives/2014/06/19/saturday-night-live-inspired-ben-jerrys-newest-flavors.php
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[TV orNotTV] Re: SNL and Ben & Jerrys team up...

[M-D November]

Sprockets Surprise


Ze surprise is sadness. HAHAHAHAHA.


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Re: [TV orNotTV] Leno to receive Mark Twain Prize

[M-D November]

Disagree - mainly because TV executives are demo-obsessed douchebags in any 
reality. 

Assuming Conan still gets Late Night when Dave takes over Carson's show, and 
assuming Dave threw some serious support behind Conan, I still see Conan taking 
over the Tonight Show (albeit sometime around now rather than in 2009) because 
even edgy alternate reality Leno would be considered "too old" to retain the 
demo against the competition by 2014.  CBS will still have pulled the trigger 
on a late night show at some point, realizing the potential revenue from the 
daypart, possibly bringing over Arsenio's show from syndication or grabbing 
some SNL talent from NBC. (Who here wouldn't have watched "Late Show with Phil 
Hartman"?) I'm also thinking Jon Stewart still goes to TDS, although he could 
have been considered for the CBS job (or so the Larry Sanders Show would lead 
us to believe).

Of course, when Conan moves up to Tonight, someone still has to take over Late 
Night, and assuming Lorne is still Master of his Domain and the SNL landscape 
isn't too different, Fallon would still be in good position for taking that 
spot. 

Really, the guy who loses most from the "Dave gets Tonight" scenario is Craig 
Ferguson, who probably doesn't get the opportunity at 12:35 since there's no 
Snyder > Kilborne transition.  And who wins most (other then Dave)? Bob Costas, 
who is allowed to continue Later as the spiritual successor to Tom Snyder's 
Tomorrow Show.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Semi-OT: The Bugle podcast goes dark

[M-D November]

I was thinking the same thing,and with the Edinburgh Fringe Festival coming 
up, maybe it seemed like a reasonable time for a hiatus?

While I have no doubt that Oliver himself has more responsibilities 
carrying his own show than he did when he was one of a team at TDS, he's 
also a lot more stationary now (TDS would have him out for actual remotes 
on a regular basis, whereas the only remote he's done since LWT started 
airing was to visit Stephen Hawking at Cambridge.)  You'd think that'd make 
him more available, not less.


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>
> I expect it's the combination of their busynesses. Andy was talking about 
> his summer gigs a bit.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Joe Hass  > wrote:
>
>> I kinda wondered how long Mr Oliver would be able to keep up the pace of 
>> both shows, and we have our answer.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 1:31 AM, Kevin M. > > wrote:
>>
>>> Andy Zaltzman and John Oliver announced their podcast will be "on 
>>> hiatus" until at least September, due largely to the time constraint on 
>>> Oliver. 
>>>
>>> I like the HBO series, but if I have to choose which I prefer, I want 
>>> the Bugle. 
>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: SNL and Ben & Jerrys team up...

[M-D November]

Stefan's "This Ice Cream Has *EVERYTHING".*

M-D
Tried to come up with something for "The Continental", but couldn't do 
justice to Christopher Walken saying "cham-PAG-NE" and "bbs".

On Monday, June 23, 2014 3:05:50 PM UTC-4, Karen Owen wrote:
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> We missed the obvious one  -- "Coneheads" Cones 
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[TV orNotTV] Re: No more 'Nightmares' from Ramsay

[M-D November]

I haven't seen a recent episode of the UK series, which I've always 
preferred because it lacked the Darnell-isms (overly serious VO from 
someone who wasn't Ramsey, smash-cut editing, etc.), so I'm not sure how 
well that's aged. As for the US version, I'm not upset to see it end. The 
most recent season spent too much time on the personalities of the owners 
and not enough on the rehab of both the staff and the facility - and 
relaunch is relegated to the last 3/4 of a segment.  I'll miss it, because 
it wasn't a competition show, but not much.  Plus it'll run forever in 
reruns on cable.

On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 9:49:55 AM UTC-4, Bob Jersey wrote:
>
> Following the few remaining on Fox and the UK's 4. Some fun stats feature 
> in a *Variety* article 
> 
>  
> (link).
>
> And no one murdered him. Amazing.
>
> B
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[TV orNotTV] Re: CBS finds something Seacrest can host

[M-D November]

So he's got a long-term deal with NBCU for E! and Today, hosts Idol on Fox, 
NYRE on ABC and now this on CBS...we're going to have to invent a new 
broadcast network just to get away from Seacrest...

On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 11:24:04 PM UTC-4, Bob Jersey wrote:
>
> He'll also be an executive of *Fashion Rocks*, a NY Fashion Week-set 
> special co-produced with Macy's, who oddly is developing a Ry-branded line 
> of suits and accessories... second item in a THR piece 
> 
>  
> (link) where he signed an NBCU deal that continues his red-carpeting but 
> lightens up on *Today* and sports for the time being...
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] MTV to bring back TRL for one day

[M-D November]

...unless they're shooting the early rounds of the next cycle of "The Voice".  
Otherwise he'd be in NYC for "Today". 

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Supremes find against Aereo

[M-D November]

Compounding the problem is that the people who live in that cross-section 
(understand the tech, practice law) were probably already in Aereo's 
corner, while the networks probably brought in this guy:


The young whippersnappers didn't have a chance in the Roberts court.

On Monday, June 30, 2014 7:36:08 PM UTC-4, Joe Hass wrote:
>
> The problem, as is so often the case, lies somewhere in between. The 
> population of people who get this technology and is licensed to practice 
> law is small. Adding the filter of "making it understandable to people 
> outside the field" makes it even smaller. And while it would be nice to 
> always have that small of a population involved in every case, it can't 
> always happen.
>
> That said, I expect good members of the judiciary to be able to educate 
> themselves on issues that face them. Depending solely on the data presented 
> in the courtroom tends to lead to really shitty decision making. And when 
> it comes to the highest court in the land, if they can't get one of their 
> clerks to go do some research, then I'd gently encourage them to GTFO the 
> bench and let people who are willing to have a crack at this.
> On Jun 25, 2014 6:45 PM, "PGage" > wrote:
>
>> I think Doug is right about this; it is the job of the advocates involved 
>> to provide the court with the required background and context to understand 
>> the legal arguments. They do this in their briefs and supporting documents, 
>> and in their oral argument. You may be right that the court did not 
>> properly understand the issues, but even if so, I would place most of the 
>> blame for that on the lawyers arguing the case.
>>
>> Also, I would not put too much weight on what the justices say in their 
>> questions during oral argument. They have very bright, very young clerks 
>> who write their own briefs and drafts after oral argument and before voting 
>> and writing supporting and dissenting opinions, so that even if there were 
>> mistaken assumptions during questioning at oral argument, a lot of those 
>> are typically corrected and modified prior to voting and writing. 
>>
>> Obviously I am not saying SCOTUS always gets it right (particularly the 
>> Roberts Court); but I don't think many of their problems stem from a 
>> failure to understand technical details of whatever field the case is 
>> framed in.
>>
>> For the record, while there has been some public discussion of Justice 
>> Elena Kagan's sexual orientation, I believe it is non-controversial that 
>> she identifies as a cis-female.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Kevin M. > > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Doug Fields >> > wrote:
>>>
 I would think that that’s the entire purpose of the oral arguments and 
 briefs before the Court.  If I were arguing a complicated case, be it a 
 new 
 technology or any other sort of esoteric concept, I think it would be in 
 my 
 best interests to find somebody who can translate those concepts into 
 terms 
 understandable to a group of middle-aged judges, **because** they 
 shouldn’t be expected to have the working knowledge to understand the 
 subject beforehand.

>>>
>>> Pouring through the transcript now. Might have to switch to the audio of 
>>> the oral arguments (I'm about 20 pages in and want to throw my laptop 
>>> across the room), but the transcripts seem to back my perspective. From the 
>>> first few minutes of the oral arguments, they've defined a cable company as 
>>> a business that receives signals or programs broadcast by television 
>>> stations. Justice Breyer compares "phonograph records" in a music store to 
>>> a public performance. Then there's this from Justice Kagan, "if Aereo has 
>>> the hardware in its warehouse as opposed to Aereo selling the hardware 
>>> to the particular end user, that is going to make all the difference in the 
>>> world as to whether we have a public performance or not a public 
>>> performance," which illustrates that the concept of a nebulous cloud with 
>>> non-localized storage is so far above his head it is laughable and sad at 
>>> the same time. 
>>>
>>> Both the military and the IRS have their own courts because the 
>>> specificity of their laws require some knowledge to render opinions. I'm 
>>> simply suggesting these people, wise as they may be in the law, don't 
>>> comprehend the nuance of the technology they ruled against. 
>>>  
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: CBS finds something Seacrest can host

[M-D November]

Although of the three (25k Pyramid, American Bandstand, TV's Bloopers & 
Practical Jokes), only one was in primetime.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Comic-Con TV lineup

[M-D November]

Did a quick check - it doesn't look like any of the former G4 air staff still 
work for NBCU. 

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Comic-Con TV lineup

[M-D November]

Well, sure. But from what I can tell, all of the former G4ers have moved on 
to greener (if not more lucrative) pastures.  Olivia Munn and Alison 
Haislip are both acting, Kevin Pereira has moved into the production side 
of the business, Morgan Webb is a consultant for Activision Blizzard (the 
World of Warcraft people), Adam Sessler is a video game 
talking-head-for-hire (best as I can tell), Blair Herter works for DC 
Comics (and is married to Jessica Chobot!), and of course, Chris Hardwick 
has the Nerdest media empire.

The only one I can't find anything on is Candace Bailey, who succeeded Munn 
on AOTS.

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014 10:50:38 PM UTC-4, Bob Jersey wrote:
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>
> M-D November, to moi:
>>
>> Did a quick check - it doesn't look like any of the former G4 air staff 
>> still work for NBCU. 
>
>
> Tragic.  They could have taught plenty to those from E!, Bravo, Esquire et 
> al.  Still, it's not like they haven't seen anybody involved before.
>
> B
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RE: [TV orNotTV] Re: Walken to play tap-dancing Hook

[M-D November]

...not to mention that by the time Peter Pan LIVE! goes in front of cameras, 
HWSNBN may be a member of the United States Congress. 

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Fallon has the lowest percentage of guest talk

[M-D November]

I've been doing some thinking on this topic...

Ever since I changed jobs and started working from home in December, I've 
been watching more network late-night; typically I'll watch Fallon (and 
occasionally Myers) on demand, and Craig in real-time.  (My viewing of Dave 
is a bit more sporadic, but as has been discussed here, he really hasn't 
changed his tune for a while.)  The thing that strikes me the most about 
Fallon's show is, while it's true that the show is less 
interview-intensive, the guests seem to genuinely be having a good time for 
the segment or two they're out on stage with Fallon.  Maybe that's Fallon's 
enthusiasm, maybe it's the 'extracurriculars' (the sketches & games), or 
maybe it's the fact that - like SCG - Fallon seems less inclined to talk 
about the project the guest is supposed to be plugging.  I dunno.  But it's 
clear the people on my TV are enjoying themselves, and as a viewer, that 
makes me want to keep watching.

As far as the "Carson Template" goes, don't forget that in his earlier 
days, Carson did sketches (the "Mighty Carson Art Players" bits, Art Fern, 
Carnac, etc.) and games ("Stump the Band") in his earlier years, so maybe 
Fallon isn't as far off from the "Carson Template" as many would think.  I 
know that the Carson I would see as a kid on "Carson's Comedy Classics" 
only had a vague resemblance to the Carson who hosted "Tonight" through my 
junior year of high school - I imagine part of that was age, part was job 
security (/show ownership), and maybe a little bit of it was complacency 
(since he was the only game in town).

What I'm saying is that the Carson from the late 70's, sitting on the dais 
with Ed and, say, Burt Reynolds and Dom DeLuise, probably wouldn't be able 
to recognize the Carson who sat on that stool in May of 1992 and gave his 
fond farewell.  But that's to be expected.  Carson had 30 years in the job, 
and therefore 30 years to edit his "template" to where he needed it to be 
for immediate relevance.  True, Fallon isn't half the interviewer Johnny 
was, but assuming NBC sticks with him, he's got time to grow into the role 
(albeit not as much as Carson had, with the timeslot as saturated as it 
is). Right now, Fallon brings to 11:35 something that was utterly lacking 
from Leno's reign - younger viewers, either live, DVR, online or even in 
clip form - so for that reason I'd say what Fallon is doing is working.  I 
would fully expect that, at some point as Jimmy (and his audience) grows 
older, the games will change (anything resembling beer pong will fade away, 
I'm sure), and his interviews will get better, in part because he'll have 
more of a relationship with the people he's interviewing (remember, his 
best interviews are usually SNL alums or frequent guests, or people he's 
worked with in films).

On Monday, July 14, 2014 1:41:35 PM UTC-4, Bob Jersey wrote:
>
>
> PGage, to JW, in part:
>>
>> As I say, Fallon may prove the exception (again, in part because he is 
>> just so very bad at the talk part), and maybe he will put in 20 years at 
>> the Tonight Show with steady and low levels of interview; but I do not 
>> expect to see late night celebrity talk going away from broadcast prime 
>> time anytime soon.
>>
>
> We knew what you meant there, but there were two words that didn't belong, 
> and I'll let you figure out which... (Clue: Big Jaw.)   B
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Last day for LLSwCF

[M-D November]

Yeah, but "Keepin' it classy, all the way to December 19th" doesn't have 
the same ring to it.

On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 8:15:39 AM UTC-4, Jon Delfin wrote:
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> It's probably already in the can.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 5:57 AM, JW > 
> wrote:
>
>> During the cold open, Craig mentioned that December 19 would be the last 
>> show. Now we know.
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[TV orNotTV] Re: SNL drops Brooks Wheelan, Noël Wells, and John Milhiser

[M-D November]

In a strange sort of way, this comment justifies the "New SNL Cast Member 
or Arcade Fire?" sketch from last season's opener.

On Wednesday, July 16, 2014 12:54:19 AM UTC-4, Dave Sikula wrote:
>
> I saw all but one show last season, and even after seeing their photos, 
> have no idea who they were. Lorne's ability to hire the bland remains 
> intact.
>
> ---Dave Sikula
>
> On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 3:42:29 PM UTC-7, Tom Wolper wrote:
>>
>> I stopped watching the show years ago so I don't know if this is a good 
>> thing or not.
>>
>> http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/07/15/noel-wells-john-milhiser-snl/
>>  
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Re: [TV orNotTV] If you're looking for an alternate title for Fallon's Tonight Show

[M-D November]

Marc Summer is too busy counting his Food Network money to care about 
Double Dare.

On Wednesday, July 16, 2014 9:55:01 AM UTC-4, Joe Hass wrote:
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> COME BACK MARC SUMMERS! PLEASE COME BACK!
> On Jul 16, 2014 8:46 AM, "'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV" <
> tvor...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>>  From the opening of Tuesday's edition of @midnight - 
>>
>>
>> "Super Sloppy Celebrity Double Dare with Jimmy Fallon"
>>
>> YMMV, but I chuckled for a few seconds.
>>
>> David
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Faux-GE chairman's mother dead at 89

[M-D November]

Only tangentially TV, but there was a PBS special that followed the 
recording of the original cast album from Stephen Sondheim's "Company" 
which is a must-watch for anyone with even a passing affecting for musical 
theater.

On Thursday, July 17, 2014 3:14:53 PM UTC-4, Bob Jersey wrote:
>
>
> Joe Coughlin, to Brad Beam:
>>
>> Honestly, referring to her as such primarily is a disservice to her much 
>> more influential theater career. I had the good fortune to see her in her 
>> final Broadway show, the revival of Sondheim's "A Little Night Music". She 
>> was wonderful. 
>>
>
> A TV career that started in the *'40s*, on a DuMont series, "The Growing 
> Paynes"... the first person to play Trixie in a "Honeymooners" segment on 
> "Cavalcade of Stars"... a TV version of the Broadway hit "My Sister 
> Eileen"*... a BBC remake of "Pollyanna" in the 70s... the Britcom "Two's 
> Company"... *{bad British accent}* Any more?
>
> B
> *I had seen a film version of this earlier this year on TCM...
>

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[TV orNotTV] TNT Hands Out Renewals to 'Ship', 'Skies', 'Crimes'

[M-D November]

I thought "The Last Ship" was a military drama set in the not-too-distant 
post-pandemic future...?

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Free backstage tour of the Conan studio...

[M-D November]

I think of what you describe more as "popular" media. Viral media, at least in 
the strictest sense, is never created with the thought "we're going to make 
this go viral" in mind. "Popular" media is often shared in the same channels as 
viral media, but comes from a place of intentional mass consumption. 

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Re: [TV orNotTV] TNT Hands Out Renewals to 'Ship', 'Skies', 'Crimes'

[M-D November]

That's "Black Sails", not to be confused with "Blackbeard" on NBC. 

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Re: [TV orNotTV] TNT Hands Out Renewals to 'Ship', 'Skies', 'Crimes'

[M-D November]

Right! Consarnit!

On Sunday, July 20, 2014 1:24:31 AM UTC-4, David Bruggeman wrote:
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> While Blackbeard is the lead, the program is called Crossbones.  Don't 
> know why.
>
> David
>
>   ------
>  *From:* M-D November >
> *To:* tvor...@googlegroups.com  
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 19, 2014 10:54 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [TV orNotTV] TNT Hands Out Renewals to 'Ship', 'Skies', 
> 'Crimes'
>  
> That's "Black Sails", not to be confused with "Blackbeard" on NBC. 
>
>
>
>
>  

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[TV orNotTV] One Discovery network's answer to another's "Week"

[M-D November]

FWIW, COM is countering next month with "Shart Week"

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[TV orNotTV] Re: NBC Casts Williams as 'Peter Pan'

[M-D November]

My first thought was simply "Nepotism!", but apparently Allison has 
classical voice training (not that classical training always translates for 
musical theater, but...) and she looks impish enough, so yeah...this could 
work.  (Hell, as casting disasters go, this doesn't come close to Carrie as 
Maria.)

On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 2:54:44 PM UTC-4, Ron Casalotti wrote:
>
> No, not Brian, but daughter Allison ("Girls") will play the boy that won't 
> grow up, keeping with the traditional casting. She did sing on the most 
> recent season of Girls, so this might just work..
>
>
> http://www.eonline.com/news/564495/allison-williams-cast-as-peter-pan-in-nbc-s-live-musical
>  
>
> Ron Casalotti
> Wayne, NJ
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[TV orNotTV] Blast from the past on tonight's Late, Late Show (No Spoilers)

[M-D November]

Kabletown still doesn't provide CBS's late night shows for some inexplicable 
reason, but here's the link, harvested from the CBS iPad app. 
http://www.cbs.com/shows/late_late_show/video/Syp4EA_5L1pK1WnMxTzYmacbNjiDmHAG/the-late-late-show-8-1-2014/

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Re: [TV orNotTV] "Bang" principals still w/o contracts?

[M-D November]

Our long national nightmare is finally over. =b

On Monday, August 4, 2014 12:40:06 PM UTC-4, Bob Jersey wrote:
>
>
> Back on July 20th, Ed Dravecky replied to moi: 
>>
>> > Latest I've found is Nellie A (link) yesterday saying very little 
>> progress 
>> > has been made with Parsons / Galecki / Cuoco[-Sweeting] / Helberg / 
>> > Nayyar... Nina Tassler, tho, told TCA she is confident things will work 
>> out 
>> > (link from today)...   B 
>>
>> Surely between cable reruns and syndication there's enough money (and 
>> enough value per future episode to add to those streams) to pay these 
>> folks "Friends" money. Heck, it's 15 years later so even a million 
>> bucks an episode ain't what it used to be. Pay the actors, give 'em 
>> phony-baloney producer credits, and get back to work. 
>>
>
> Super-new from Nellie 
> 
>  
> (link): All that stuff Ed mentioned was thrown at Parsons initially, then 
> under "MFN-type" provisions in their earlier contracts, Cuoco and Galecki, 
> all of whom accepted... Nayyar and Helberg are close to, if not finishing 
> off, their own deals, and if it's all done before Wed's table read, only a 
> week of work would have been missed...
>
> A commenter had a complete left-field pick as to another hit-series actor 
> that should be in the millionaire club...
>
> B
>
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[TV orNotTV] Re: The Mrs Doubtfire sequel is off

[M-D November]

I'm normally fine with a snarky comment or two, but I feel like the thread 
title might be a little insensitive here.

On Monday, August 11, 2014 7:31:55 PM UTC-4, Bob Jersey wrote:
>
> Robin Williams was found dead in his Bay Area home this morning.
>
> County sheriff said asphyxia was the cause.
>
> Many reports said he had just gone into rehab. 63.
>
> Entertainment Weekly 
>  (link)
>
> B
>
>

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Semi-NotTV: Car Racing Death

[M-D November]

Here's something I don't understand (and, admittedly, my knowledge of 
NASCAR is limited to a ill-advised purchase of EA NASCAR 2002 and the movie 
"Talladaga Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby") - in looking at the 
pre-accident footage that ran on the news yesterday, it appears as though, 
after exiting his car, that Ward was crossing the track and pointing 
aggressively at a driver (possibly Stewart) and intentionally trying to 
cross through traffic, rather than staying by his car in (relative) safety. 
 Why would any driver try to cross the track with a caution lap in 
progress, and would we be asking about criminal action, etc. if it had been 
a different driver to strike Ward on the caution lap?

On Monday, August 11, 2014 12:03:18 AM UTC-4, Bob Jersey wrote:
>
>
> PGage, to moi, in part:
>>
>>
>> I see - so they are having trouble determining whether Stewart did 
>> something to make his car contact Ward, or whether Ward stepped out into 
>> the path of Stewart's car? I am going to assume that if it is the former, 
>> then Stewart would be guilty of some kind of criminal act - reckless 
>> driving at a minimum, if not some kind of manslaughter. But, without 
>> veering into the kind of victim-blaming that got Stephen A. into trouble, 
>> it does seem that under the circumstances, getting out of your car and 
>> walking out into on-coming speeding traffic is a contributing factor in the 
>> accident. 
>>
>>
> The few times I've seen similar silly walks in Cup, the walker never gets 
> that close to the wrecker's car, with or without sanctioner's officials 
> holding him/her back. Still, Cuppers are told in prerace meetings to think 
> multiple times before doing anything that could end up spotlighted on any 
> sports net's highlights.
>
> B
>
>

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Tonight's Ferguson repeat

[M-D November]

I started seeing confirmed reports around 7:15pm EDT, so it's a safe assumption 
that the NYC-based shows were ether in the can or in progress. I seem to 
remember seeing Chris Hardwick (Fallon's 2nd guest) tweet that he found out 
about it backstage after the taping. I wouldn't be shocked if they kept the 
news from Fallon until after the show wrapped.

As for SCG, I assume he wasn't available to shoot a replacement cold open for 
tonight's rerun or to explain why it's not really a great day for America. 
Comcast's OSG shows Craig's next new episode next Monday night; hopefully he 
throws out the format and brings in someone close to Robin (like Billy 
Crystal?) to just talk for an hour - especially since Craig knows a thing or 
two about fighting demons re: drugs & alcohol. 

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[TV orNotTV] Re: Tom Werner an outsider in MLB commish derby

[M-D November]

Keith Olbermann touched on MLB's TV troubles and how they play into the 
selection of the next Commish in his cold open the other night...

KO: 20 Years Later, MLB's New Crisis 


On Thursday, August 14, 2014 10:34:20 AM UTC-4, Bob Jersey wrote:
>
> The renowned TV producer, a part-owner of the Boston Red Sox and former 
> leader of the San Diego Padres, stands less of a chance to succeed Bud 
> Selig than do the two members of Selig's NY staff still in contention, but 
> has support from heads of two ballclubs... we'll know more this afternoon 
> (14)...
>
> Variety 
> 
>  
> (link)
>
> B
>
>

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Tom Werner an outsider in MLB commish derby

[M-D November]

Unless I missed something, the only way to eliminate the scourge of season-long 
Interleague play (I'm not counting cross-town rivalry series like the old 
Mayor's Trophy/Subway Series in NY, which I wouldn't mind once a year, but not 
for a home & home), MLB would need to add at least one expansion team to 
restore even numbers to the two leagues...

Which begs the question...where would that expansion team go? What would be a 
good mid-major market with enough distance from another MLB team that might be 
a good candidate? (I'm going to assume that the northeast, Florida, Texas and 
California are automatically eliminated based on existing team density.)

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RE: [TV orNotTV] Semi-NotTV: Car Racing Death

[M-D November]

More like 30mph in this case, since the caution flag was already up, but the 
point is otherwise valid. 

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Re: [TV orNotTV] If you want your late night at the dinner hour?

[M-D November]

A possibly related question: who "owns" Geoff? My wife and I were talking about 
SCG's post-LLS plans, and my wife asked if Geoff would be the announcer on 
"Celebrity Name Game", but I wasn't sure who Geoff belongs to...CBS? Worldwide 
Pants? Craig? Grant Imohara?

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[TV orNotTV] Re: Creative-arts Emmys: Fallon, Joe Morton, Uzo Aduba among winners

[M-D November]

IIRC, Fallon also won for Best Guest Actor, Comedy for his hosting stint on 
SNL last December. (Although in reality, that Emmy ought to be shared with 
Timberlake.)

On Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:51:32 AM UTC-4, Bob Jersey wrote:
>
>
> *Orange...*'s casting director, rightly, also won... Allison Janney, also 
> up for a 'regular' stashoo for *Mom*, won for her *Masters of Sex* 
> role... Jimmy's award was for best interactive program... THR 
> 
>  
> (link), list of winners 
> 
>  
> (link)
>
> B
>
>

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Re: [TV orNotTV] If you want your late night at the dinner hour?

[M-D November]

Here's what I find odd: WPIX/11 in NY has started to run ads for Celebrity 
Name Game, which will air weeknights at 7:30.  If they're now talking about 
giving SCG a talker at 7...are they just handing over the whole hour to 
Ferguson?  (Not that I'd mind more Craig on my TV, but that would interfere 
with watching Jeopardy...)

Incidentally, no Geoff in the CNG promo.

On Sunday, August 17, 2014 1:35:11 PM UTC-4, Karen Owen wrote:
>
> Here's a more detailed article from Variety 
> They mention the lack of new sitcoms coming 
> into syndication. 
>
> http://variety.com/2014/tv/news/craig-ferguson-in-final-negotiations-with-tribune-for-7-p-m-syndicated-talkshow-exclusive-1201283991/
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[TV orNotTV] Re: If you want your late night at the dinner hour?

[M-D November]

To be clear, I'm not expecting Geoff to show up in any of Craig's post-LLS 
projects.  Geoff is clearly part of Craig's deliberate deconstruction of 
the late night format, and I don't know how well he would play at, say, 
prime access.

On Tuesday, August 19, 2014 6:13:12 AM UTC-4, JW wrote:
>
> > Incidentally, no Geoff in the CNG promo.
>
> From reading Josh Robert Thompson's Twitter postings (@joshrthompson), I 
> have the impression that he wants to move beyond Geoff. Of course, I 
> thought that Ferguson wanted to move beyond talk, so what do I know?
>  

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Live from New York, no longer

[M-D November]

My best guess - since NBC doesn't exactly have 'staff announcers' anymore - 
is that Steve Higgins (former SNL writer, now Fallon's sideman on 
"Tonight") fills in temporarily while Lorne finds a suitable replacement 
voice.  After all, Higgins is in the building and has a good understanding 
of what the SNL open should sound like.

On Tuesday, August 19, 2014 5:44:05 AM UTC-4, Michael wrote:
>
> Even on those very rare occasions when he couldn't announce "Saturday 
> Night Live," they found someone to imitate that authoritative, stentorian 
> and ineffably appealing voice of his. Here's hoping Lorne Michaels and his 
> crew can properly program the Pardo 3000 to handle the opening credits of 
> SNL this fall. Otherwise, it just won't feel right.
>
> On Monday, August 18, 2014 9:41:33 PM UTC-7, Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:
>>
>> He wasn't the voice of a generation. He was the voice of five or six 
>> generations. 
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 9:14 PM, Brad Beam  wrote:
>>
>>> Don Pardo, 96.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Live from New York, no longer

[M-D November]

Well, sure. When Don Pardo was sick, you wanted someone who sounded like 
Don Pardo to do the open.

Since Don Pardo is no longer among us, you don't want to have someone doing 
a (IMHO) hollow imitation of a once-great voice.  I'd rather they find 
someone who can find the same power and tonal quality while making it their 
own.

So I don't personally think Hammond has an 'in'.  (Also, there are all of 
the other really good reasons why Darrell Hammond should stay as far away 
from SNL as he can...for his own health.)

On Tuesday, August 19, 2014 4:30:27 PM UTC-4, Joe Coughlin wrote:
>
> Don has actually missed a few shows over the years, most recently, I 
> believe, was the Kevin Hart show in 2013. The opening there was done 
> by former SNL cast member Darrell Hammond doing his best Don Pardo. 
> So, if anyone should have the edge in getting the job, it's Hammond. 
>
> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 4:23 PM, M-D November  > wrote: 
> > My best guess - since NBC doesn't exactly have 'staff announcers' 
> anymore - 
> > is that Steve Higgins (former SNL writer, now Fallon's sideman on 
> "Tonight") 
> > fills in temporarily while Lorne finds a suitable replacement voice. 
>  After 
> > all, Higgins is in the building and has a good understanding of what the 
> SNL 
> > open should sound like. 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tuesday, August 19, 2014 5:44:05 AM UTC-4, Michael wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Even on those very rare occasions when he couldn't announce "Saturday 
> >> Night Live," they found someone to imitate that authoritative, 
> stentorian 
> >> and ineffably appealing voice of his. Here's hoping Lorne Michaels and 
> his 
> >> crew can properly program the Pardo 3000 to handle the opening credits 
> of 
> >> SNL this fall. Otherwise, it just won't feel right. 
> >> 
> >> On Monday, August 18, 2014 9:41:33 PM UTC-7, Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> He wasn't the voice of a generation. He was the voice of five or six 
> >>> generations. 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 9:14 PM, Brad Beam  
> wrote: 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Don Pardo, 96. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/19/nyregion/don-pardo-the-voice-of-saturday-night-live-dies-at-96.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: If you want your late night at the dinner hour?

[M-D November]

I actually enjoyed that episode of TPIR quite a bit, but I didn't really 
understand why Geoff wasn't up at George Grey's podium instead of Shadoe 
Stevens. I did like the use of Secretariat as a prize model, tho. 

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Julianne Hough to become 4th judge on DWTS

[M-D November]

Huh?

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Keith in the afternoon

[M-D November]

Yes, but doesn't this also mean the death of "Bob Slurm"?

On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 1:06:10 PM UTC-4, PGage wrote:
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> On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 5:52 AM, Brad Beam  > wrote:
>
>> After spending a year in Outer Time-Slot Mongolia (11pm-ish), “Olbermann” 
>> will be moving to the 5p ET hour on the Deuce, pairing up with “Outside The 
>> Lines” starting September 8. (He’ll also make occasional hosting 
>> appearances on The Big Show, v.1.)
>>
>>
>> http://awfulannouncing.com/2014/keith-olbermanns-show-moves-to-afternoons-will-return-to-anchor-sportscenter.html
>>
>
> At first I thought the lead was being buried here, which is that the 
> length of KO's show is being cut by 50%. But I guess most of what is being 
> cut will be highlights, since at 2:00 pm (PT) there will not be much to 
> report most days. That makes pairing him with OTL logical, and "Olbermann" 
> will mostly be the topical opinion stuff, not the daily sports news wrap-up 
> stuff. I can live with that, though I do like to hear Keith recap the daily 
> MLB events. It will also make it easier for me to record during the day 
> (even on the east coast do many people get home from work in time to watch 
> television live at 5:00?) and watch maybe after my Stewart/Colbert hour, 
> which would make a nice fit.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] The New Guy At ABC

[M-D November]

Point of clarification: "World Cafe" from WXPN is live music/artist discussion, 
not news. 

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