Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
In a message dated 3/15/2011 5:17:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ro...@stamina.com.au writes: I mean, it is good for Tri-Sys, as they will generate a list of end users to solicit, but I'd suggest it is unlikely that a VAR is going to make his customer list public ... Ross I think you're right there. I think what we'll see is a slow accumulation of sites based on an employee mentioning it, or a consultant, or ex-employee. But not the VAR. And I think for the very reason that you suggest, that they don't want poachers. Don't want to compete in a completely open market. I wonder if a person were to build a list from online resumes alone, how many companies would be on it. Of course some or even many of those would have moved away from Pick. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
On 16/03/2011 06:36, fft2...@aol.com fft2...@aol.com wrote: Ross I think you're right there. I think what we'll see is a slow accumulation of sites based on an employee mentioning it, or a consultant, or ex-employee. But not the VAR. And I think for the very reason that you suggest, that they don't want poachers. Don't want to compete in a completely open market. I wonder if a person were to build a list from online resumes alone, how many companies would be on it. Of course some or even many of those would have moved away from Pick. Writing as someone who is a VAR, a U2 distributor and a U2 board member I would say that it is more complex than that. Firstly the overwhelming majority of U2 end user sites do not have technical staff, even if they have an IT department that department knows nothing about U2 whatsoever. They run an application, they may manage the server it is on (although increasingly they will have it hosted and won't even do that) but they know nothing about the database or technology. Secondly you have to respect the confidentiality of your customers, I would never publicise anything about our customers without clearing it with them first. We had an attempt to get people just to say 'We use U2', but there was no interest, after all what is in it for them to say that? They rarely endorse other suppliers in that way. Companies don't go out and publicise that they use any particular product or technology, I don't usually declare to the world that we have Panasonic printers or Dell servers, why should anyone declare to the world that they use U2 particularly when they probably also have databases on Oracle, SQL Server and others as well? The poacher argument is largely spurious, as a VAR our customers use our application, they have to come to us for support and maintenance, it is written into their contracts. I'm not particularly concerned about other people approaching them, what they buy from us isn't specifically U2 skills it's application and market skills. George Land Chairman APT Solutions Ltd ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Uniobjects and java
Thanks everyone that makes great sense As I get into uoj and java I am Sure I'll have more questions for all the experts on here Once again thanks Dougc email signature There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those that know binary and those that do not On Mar 15, 2011, at 10:58, Kevin King precisonl...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Brian for all of the reasons mentioned plus the performance can be much better on the server for processing when the server can simply do what it needs to do without an ongoing I/O dialogue with the client. -Kevin http://www.PrecisOnline.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
In a message dated 3/16/2011 1:10:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, george.l...@aptsolutions.net writes: Firstly the overwhelming majority of U2 end user sites do not have technical staff, even if they have an IT department that department knows nothing about U2 whatsoever. They run an application, they may manage the server it is on (although increasingly they will have it hosted and won't even do that) but they know nothing about the database or technology. George I'm solely referring to those sites, who have actual U2 professionals on staff. I've worked many many places where other programmer analysts did not subscribe to Spectrum, had never attended a Spectrum show, had never taken a formal class, had never read the U2 (or comp.databases.pick) threads, etc etc etc. Many. In fact usually I'm the most well-connected person on staff (by far), and I don't even have my fingers in every pie... yet. W ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
-Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of fft2...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 12:23 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment In a message dated 3/16/2011 1:10:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, george.l...@aptsolutions.net writes: Firstly the overwhelming majority of U2 end user sites do not have technical staff, even if they have an IT department that department knows nothing about U2 whatsoever. They run an application, they may manage the server it is on (although increasingly they will have it hosted and won't even do that) but they know nothing about the database or technology. George I'm solely referring to those sites, who have actual U2 professionals on staff. I've worked many many places where other programmer analysts did not subscribe to Spectrum, had never attended a Spectrum show, had never taken a formal class, had never read the U2 (or comp.databases.pick) threads, etc etc etc. Many. In fact usually I'm the most well-connected person on staff (by far), and I don't even have my fingers in every pie... yet. W ___ My recommendation for increasing U2UG membership is adding search engine optimization to the U2UG website. If I have a Unidata question I often go to Google first. I am not a U2 professional, but in a company with around 100 employees I somehow absorbed administration duties of our ERP software. As a person without an IT background I find this listserver and U2UG very useful. (Sometimes I have to go to Google to look up the acronyms you folks use.) I am not able to contribute to very many discussions and leave the election of officers to the IT experts in the group. Michael Martin Quality Manager Innovation Industries Inc. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] [UV] Uvsh exit status and @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE
Hi all, I am trying to detect the success of failure of a BASIC program when running from UNIX. I was going to use @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE setting to do this, hoping that the exit status of uvsh would reflect the value set for @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE but it appears this is not the case. Does anyone know if this works and I am just missing something silly? Possibly VOC entry process mode setting or something? e.g. uvsh MYBASICPROGRAM SUCCESS would return exit status of 0 uvsh MYBASICPROGRAM FAILURE would return exit status 1 uvsh MYBASICPROGRAM would return 9 SUBROUTINE MYBASICPROGRAM @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE = 9 Get(Arg.) EXITSTATUS ELSE STOP BEGIN CASE CASE EXITSTATUS = 'SUCCESS' @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE = 0 CASE EXITSTATUS = FAILURE' @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE = 1 END CASE RETURN This is a contrived example, but shows what I am trying to do with @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE. Cheers Phil. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [UV] Uvsh exit status and @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE
Phil, I wrestled with this one quite a while a few years back under ud.. Never figured out a code-only solution. Ended up writing exit codes to a text file that the script reads when the program completes. If noone has any other ideas you like, ping me and I can explain what I did. Brad. From: Phil Walker p...@gnosys.co.nz To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Date: 03/16/2011 04:02 PM Subject:[U2] [UV] Uvsh exit status and @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE Sent by:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org Hi all, I am trying to detect the success of failure of a BASIC program when running from UNIX. I was going to use @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE setting to do this, hoping that the exit status of uvsh would reflect the value set for @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE but it appears this is not the case. Does anyone know if this works and I am just missing something silly? Possibly VOC entry process mode setting or something? e.g. uvsh MYBASICPROGRAM SUCCESS would return exit status of 0 uvsh MYBASICPROGRAM FAILURE would return exit status 1 uvsh MYBASICPROGRAM would return 9 SUBROUTINE MYBASICPROGRAM @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE = 9 Get(Arg.) EXITSTATUS ELSE STOP BEGIN CASE CASE EXITSTATUS = 'SUCCESS' @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE = 0 CASE EXITSTATUS = FAILURE' @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE = 1 END CASE RETURN This is a contrived example, but shows what I am trying to do with @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE. Cheers Phil. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users U.S. BANCORP made the following annotations - Electronic Privacy Notice. This e-mail, and any attachments, contains information that is, or may be, covered by electronic communications privacy laws, and is also confidential and proprietary in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you are legally prohibited from retaining, using, copying, distributing, or otherwise disclosing this information in any manner. Instead, please reply to the sender that you have received this communication in error, and then immediately delete it. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. - ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [UV] Uvsh exit status and @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE
Thanks Brad, That idea had crossed my mind, alternatively capturing some output as this is a non-interactive process but liked the simplicity of @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE Maybe Mark Baldridge would have some ideas being the expert he is and an old colleague at VMARK last century ;-) But I suspect the @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE is getting lost inside the uvsh executable and not returned to UNIX Cheers -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of bradley.sch...@usbank.com Sent: Thursday, 17 March 2011 10:20 a.m. To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] [UV] Uvsh exit status and @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE Phil, I wrestled with this one quite a while a few years back under ud.. Never figured out a code-only solution. Ended up writing exit codes to a text file that the script reads when the program completes. If noone has any other ideas you like, ping me and I can explain what I did. Brad. From: Phil Walker p...@gnosys.co.nz To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Date: 03/16/2011 04:02 PM Subject:[U2] [UV] Uvsh exit status and @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE Sent by:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org Hi all, I am trying to detect the success of failure of a BASIC program when running from UNIX. I was going to use @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE setting to do this, hoping that the exit status of uvsh would reflect the value set for @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE but it appears this is not the case. Does anyone know if this works and I am just missing something silly? Possibly VOC entry process mode setting or something? e.g. uvsh MYBASICPROGRAM SUCCESS would return exit status of 0 uvsh MYBASICPROGRAM FAILURE would return exit status 1 uvsh MYBASICPROGRAM would return 9 SUBROUTINE MYBASICPROGRAM @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE = 9 Get(Arg.) EXITSTATUS ELSE STOP BEGIN CASE CASE EXITSTATUS = 'SUCCESS' @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE = 0 CASE EXITSTATUS = FAILURE' @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE = 1 END CASE RETURN This is a contrived example, but shows what I am trying to do with @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE. Cheers Phil. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users U.S. BANCORP made the following annotations - Electronic Privacy Notice. This e-mail, and any attachments, contains information that is, or may be, covered by electronic communications privacy laws, and is also confidential and proprietary in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you are legally prohibited from retaining, using, copying, distributing, or otherwise disclosing this information in any manner. Instead, please reply to the sender that you have received this communication in error, and then immediately delete it. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. - ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [UV] Uvsh exit status and @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE
I am trying to detect the success of failure of a BASIC program when running from UNIX. I was going to use @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE setting to do this, hoping that the exit status of uvsh would reflect the value set for @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE but it appears this is not the case. Does anyone know if this works and I am just missing something silly? Well I use another approach. It's not pretty, but it works. This runs from a UNIX shell script. $UDTBIN/udtEODFILES_LOG/CONV_NBCAFG.LOG RUN IH-BPGM CONV_NBCAFG -N bye EOD In this case the output of the program is redirected to a log file, but if there was a way to redirect to a shell variable you could test the variable for success or failure. Charles Shaffer Senior Analyst NTN-Bower Corporation ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [UV] Uvsh exit status and @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE
You might be able to use the ENVIRONMENT command in UV to set an environment variable, and test its value upon return to your shell. Something like: EXECUTE ENVIRONMENT SET UVRC=:@SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE will set the value. Gregor -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Phil Walker Sent: Thursday, 17 March 2011 8:25 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] [UV] Uvsh exit status and @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE Thanks Brad, That idea had crossed my mind, alternatively capturing some output as this is a non-interactive process but liked the simplicity of @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE Maybe Mark Baldridge would have some ideas being the expert he is and an old colleague at VMARK last century ;-) But I suspect the @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE is getting lost inside the uvsh executable and not returned to UNIX Cheers -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of bradley.sch...@usbank.com Sent: Thursday, 17 March 2011 10:20 a.m. To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] [UV] Uvsh exit status and @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE Phil, I wrestled with this one quite a while a few years back under ud.. Never figured out a code-only solution. Ended up writing exit codes to a text file that the script reads when the program completes. If noone has any other ideas you like, ping me and I can explain what I did. Brad. From: Phil Walker p...@gnosys.co.nz To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Date: 03/16/2011 04:02 PM Subject:[U2] [UV] Uvsh exit status and @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE Sent by:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org Hi all, I am trying to detect the success of failure of a BASIC program when running from UNIX. I was going to use @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE setting to do this, hoping that the exit status of uvsh would reflect the value set for @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE but it appears this is not the case. Does anyone know if this works and I am just missing something silly? Possibly VOC entry process mode setting or something? e.g. uvsh MYBASICPROGRAM SUCCESS would return exit status of 0 uvsh MYBASICPROGRAM FAILURE would return exit status 1 uvsh MYBASICPROGRAM would return 9 SUBROUTINE MYBASICPROGRAM @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE = 9 Get(Arg.) EXITSTATUS ELSE STOP BEGIN CASE CASE EXITSTATUS = 'SUCCESS' @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE = 0 CASE EXITSTATUS = FAILURE' @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE = 1 END CASE RETURN This is a contrived example, but shows what I am trying to do with @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE. Cheers Phil. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users U.S. BANCORP made the following annotations - Electronic Privacy Notice. This e-mail, and any attachments, contains information that is, or may be, covered by electronic communications privacy laws, and is also confidential and proprietary in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you are legally prohibited from retaining, using, copying, distributing, or otherwise disclosing this information in any manner. Instead, please reply to the sender that you have received this communication in error, and then immediately delete it. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. - ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Message protected by DealerGuard: e-mail anti-virus, anti-spam and content filtering. http://www.pentanasolutions.com Click here to report this message as spam: https://login.mailguard.com.au/report/1BULLlroVk/1rQ0ecbGO8cCUDpILHYDxQ/0 This email and any attachments to it are confidential. You must not use, disclose or act on the email if you are not the intended recipient. Liability limited by a scheme approved under Professional Standards Legislation. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
