Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse
I believe our licences (as a VAR) with Rocket specify that when we sell UniData and SB+ it's part of the application and is only licenced to run the application it's sold with. So it sounds valid, although they may have the option to only sell UD and SB+ support. Colin From: meckif Well, I don't know Eclipse, but the company I currently work for is running Avante from Epicor. When the company wanted to cancel the Avante maintenance agreement Epicor claimed that this would automatically cancel UniData and SB+ support as well. Avante maintenance was a total waste of money since the original software has been heavily modified (and even though the changes were made by Epicor staff fixing their bugs was still chargeable) and by the time I could prove to Epicor that a fault was a genuine bug I had already a fix for it anyway. Of course we have the source code for Avante. To cut a long story short - we now have UD and SB+ support through another VAR and don't deal with Epicor anymore. Mecki ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse
Colin So I wouldn't be allowed to write a single line of code using U2 or SB+ if I were one of your customers? Because that line of code wouldn't be part of your application and therefore would invalidate my U2 license, right? In that case I would never buy any application software from you. As I see it - I either buy a license for your application and separate ones for the database (U2) and development tools (SB+) or I won't buy from you at all, it's that simple! No wonder MV is struggling! On 08/07/2011 07:06, Colin Alfke wrote: I believe our licences (as a VAR) with Rocket specify that when we sell UniData and SB+ it's part of the application and is only licenced to run the application it's sold with. So it sounds valid, although they may have the option to only sell UD and SB+ support. Colin From: meckif Well, I don't know Eclipse, but the company I currently work for is running Avante from Epicor. When the company wanted to cancel the Avante maintenance agreement Epicor claimed that this would automatically cancel UniData and SB+ support as well. Avante maintenance was a total waste of money since the original software has been heavily modified (and even though the changes were made by Epicor staff fixing their bugs was still chargeable) and by the time I could prove to Epicor that a fault was a genuine bug I had already a fix for it anyway. Of course we have the source code for Avante. To cut a long story short - we now have UD and SB+ support through another VAR and don't deal with Epicor anymore. Mecki ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse
Probably not. I haven't looked at our contracts and I've only had a quick scan of ours with Rocket so I'm not sure of the definition of application. If you wrote a report or new interface maybe OK. If you wrote something to keep track of your CD collection - likely not. I'm not sure if it's just us or not (it sounded like Epicor has the same terms with Rocket), but we don't get full licences from Rocket for UD/SB+ - they are for the embedded application. They are significantly cheaper than the full licence - we've got some abnormally good terms from Rocket (at least that's what they keep telling us). Of course, we may be able to upgrade to full licenses - but we've never had a client that required anything like that, and since we've sunsetted our MV application the point is pretty much moot. If you ever go work for a law firm - give me a shout. That's what we do (just not with an MV based application). My original point was simply that Epicor's claim may have been valid. It sounds like you've got lots of valid grievances with them but this may not be one. Colin -Original Message- From: Mecki Foerthmann Colin So I wouldn't be allowed to write a single line of code using U2 or SB+ if I were one of your customers? Because that line of code wouldn't be part of your application and therefore would invalidate my U2 license, right? In that case I would never buy any application software from you. As I see it - I either buy a license for your application and separate ones for the database (U2) and development tools (SB+) or I won't buy from you at all, it's that simple! No wonder MV is struggling! On 08/07/2011 07:06, Colin Alfke wrote: I believe our licences (as a VAR) with Rocket specify that when we sell UniData and SB+ it's part of the application and is only licenced to run the application it's sold with. So it sounds valid, although they may have the option to only sell UD and SB+ support. Colin From: meckif Well, I don't know Eclipse, but the company I currently work for is running Avante from Epicor. When the company wanted to cancel the Avante maintenance agreement Epicor claimed that this would automatically cancel UniData and SB+ support as well. Avante maintenance was a total waste of money since the original software has been heavily modified (and even though the changes were made by Epicor staff fixing their bugs was still chargeable) and by the time I could prove to Epicor that a fault was a genuine bug I had already a fix for it anyway. Of course we have the source code for Avante. To cut a long story short - we now have UD and SB+ support through another VAR and don't deal with Epicor anymore. Mecki ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse
From: Mecki Foerthmann As I see it - I either buy a license for your application and separate ones for the database (U2) and development tools (SB+) or I won't buy from you at all, it's that simple! No wonder MV is struggling! Under the strict terms of U2 licensing, as defined by IBM lawyers, most companies here would be violation of the EULA. Such terms intentionally favor the vendors to allow them to act if licensing is being abused, though I haven't heard of a single instance where the more draconian terms were ever invoked. MV is struggling for many reasons, per-seat licensing a primary culprit, but I don't think anyone has ever not purchased a MV license because they felt the licensing didn't support multiple MV applications on a single system. T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Adding capabilities in the sort term
Thanks to all who responded. This certainly gives me a start! Harold -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tom Whitmore Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 2:02 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Adding capabilities in the sort term Hi, We are using HostAccess as our terminal emulator and Verifone's MX870 for the PIN Pad device. We chose to use Verifone's IP Connect product to actually perform the communication with the device. HostAccess provides basic subroutines that will permit you to send the commands to either talk to the MX or their SIM dll. Either way, we receive the signature back and display it on the screen without a problem. The beauty of the way we are doing this is that credit cards never touch our server, and with Verifone's end-to-end encryption no usable credit card information touches the register, which takes both out of scope for PCI DSS, and PCI PA-DSS... depending on your auditor that is. Tom Whitmore, RATEX Business Solutions. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Oaks, Harold Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 2:35 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Adding capabilities in the sort term Has anyone done either of the following with a U2 system (we have Universe) and can give me some recommendations? (1) Added a signature pad so that captured signatures can be stored for future use. (We have Print Wizard, so can easily print graphical images if they can just be captured.) (2) Worked with Web Services from within your U2 application? Thanks- Harold Oaks This e-mail and related attachments and any response may be subject to public disclosure under state law. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users This e-mail and related attachments and any response may be subject to public disclosure under state law. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Question about updating customer's systems...
Hi, Thanks you to everyone that responded. We had identified the items people suggested, and some addition items. Thanks again! Tom From: Tom Whitmore Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 11:11 AM To: U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Question about updating customer's systems... Hi, We develop software for college bookstores. Over the past year and a half, we implemented PRC's version control software in-house, which has helped us improve the development and release process. We are no looking at how to improve the installation process at our customers. At this point, our goal is to have an isolated, sandbox, where we can install the update and have our customers test. Once they are happy, provide them tools to install the code into their production system. As we start down this path, we are wondering if anyone in this group could share their experiences of implementing something like this, and be willing to share what they learned through your implementation (what worked, what didn't, what are the gotcha's that we should make sure we address). Thanks! Tom Whitmore RATEX Business Solution ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] Simple FMT question
Hi Group, I don't know why this is kicking my butt but I'm trying to do a simple X = FMT(X,4\0R) statement, straight out of the HELP UNIBASIC listing and I can't seem to get it to work. The problem is the fill character, in this case the number zero, but what I get back is just the letter R, without the quote marks. I get pretty much the same result no matter what fill character I use. I simply want to format a number to be 4 characters long with leading zeros. If X=1, then it should result in X=0001, or so I've been lead to believe. I know that X = (:X)[4] works to get my results but FMT should work, too. The major benefit is that if the number is more than 4 digits, FMT won't truncate it. I hope. Environment is UniData 6.1 on a Windows server. Comments anyone? Thanks, BobW ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Simple FMT question
In PICK mode: X = X R%4 In native mode: X = (:X) R#4 John Israel Senior Programmer/Analyst Dayton Superior Corporation 1125 Byers Road Miamisburg, OH 45342 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Woodward Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 3:17 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Simple FMT question Hi Group, I don't know why this is kicking my butt but I'm trying to do a simple X = FMT(X,4\0R) statement, straight out of the HELP UNIBASIC listing and I can't seem to get it to work. The problem is the fill character, in this case the number zero, but what I get back is just the letter R, without the quote marks. I get pretty much the same result no matter what fill character I use. I simply want to format a number to be 4 characters long with leading zeros. If X=1, then it should result in X=0001, or so I've been lead to believe. I know that X = (:X)[4] works to get my results but FMT should work, too. The major benefit is that if the number is more than 4 digits, FMT won't truncate it. I hope. Environment is UniData 6.1 on a Windows server. Comments anyone? Thanks, BobW ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Simple FMT question
try this syntax F17 = FMT(STL.AMT,'R(0)#13') Rich Bob Woodward wrote: Hi Group, I don't know why this is kicking my butt but I'm trying to do a simple X = FMT(X,4\0R) statement, straight out of the HELP UNIBASIC listing and I can't seem to get it to work. The problem is the fill character, in this case the number zero, but what I get back is just the letter R, without the quote marks. I get pretty much the same result no matter what fill character I use. I simply want to format a number to be 4 characters long with leading zeros. If X=1, then it should result in X=0001, or so I've been lead to believe. I know that X = (:X)[4] works to get my results but FMT should work, too. The major benefit is that if the number is more than 4 digits, FMT won't truncate it. I hope. Environment is UniData 6.1 on a Windows server. Comments anyone? Thanks, BobW ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Richard A Wilson Lakeside Systems Smithfield, RI, USA Voice 401-231-3959 Fax 206-202-2064 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Simple FMT question
Hi Bob, Tryany of these: X = 1 FMT(X, 'MD%4') =0001 FMT(X, 'MR%4') =0001 FMT(X, 'R%4') =0001 X 'MD%4' =0001 X 'R%4'=0001 These all; work in Jbase, Universe flavor, YMMV. Regards, Charlie Noah On 07-08-2011 2:17 PM, Bob Woodward wrote: Hi Group, I don't know why this is kicking my butt but I'm trying to do a simple X = FMT(X,4\0R) statement, straight out of the HELP UNIBASIC listing and I can't seem to get it to work. The problem is the fill character, in this case the number zero, but what I get back is just the letter R, without the quote marks. I get pretty much the same result no matter what fill character I use. I simply want to format a number to be 4 characters long with leading zeros. If X=1, then it should result in X=0001, or so I've been lead to believe. I know that X = (:X)[4] works to get my results but FMT should work, too. The major benefit is that if the number is more than 4 digits, FMT won't truncate it. I hope. Environment is UniData 6.1 on a Windows server. Comments anyone? Thanks, BobW ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Simple FMT question
On my box (UniData 7.2) in a native UniData account: X = 1 CRT X R%4 Returns %4 But in a PICK flavor account, it returns 0001 This can also be controlled for an individual program with the $BASICTYPE compiler option, but there are other syntax issues to look out for, mainly the LOCATE command. John Israel Senior Programmer/Analyst Dayton Superior Corporation 1125 Byers Road Miamisburg, OH 45342 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charlie Noah Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 3:34 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Simple FMT question Hi Bob, Tryany of these: X = 1 FMT(X, 'MD%4') =0001 FMT(X, 'MR%4') =0001 FMT(X, 'R%4') =0001 X 'MD%4' =0001 X 'R%4'=0001 These all; work in Jbase, Universe flavor, YMMV. Regards, Charlie Noah On 07-08-2011 2:17 PM, Bob Woodward wrote: Hi Group, I don't know why this is kicking my butt but I'm trying to do a simple X = FMT(X,4\0R) statement, straight out of the HELP UNIBASIC listing and I can't seem to get it to work. The problem is the fill character, in this case the number zero, but what I get back is just the letter R, without the quote marks. I get pretty much the same result no matter what fill character I use. I simply want to format a number to be 4 characters long with leading zeros. If X=1, then it should result in X=0001, or so I've been lead to believe. I know that X = (:X)[4] works to get my results but FMT should work, too. The major benefit is that if the number is more than 4 digits, FMT won't truncate it. I hope. Environment is UniData 6.1 on a Windows server. Comments anyone? Thanks, BobW ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Simple FMT question
Works for me on UniData 6.1 :SPOOL BP DAG.TEST -OT PROGRAM DAG.TEST * X = 1 X = FMT(X, 4\0R) PRINT X END :DAG.TEST 0001 : David A. Green (480) 813-1725 DAG Consulting -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Woodward Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:17 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Simple FMT question Hi Group, I don't know why this is kicking my butt but I'm trying to do a simple X = FMT(X,4\0R) statement, straight out of the HELP UNIBASIC listing and I can't seem to get it to work. The problem is the fill character, in this case the number zero, but what I get back is just the letter R, without the quote marks. I get pretty much the same result no matter what fill character I use. I simply want to format a number to be 4 characters long with leading zeros. If X=1, then it should result in X=0001, or so I've been lead to believe. I know that X = (:X)[4] works to get my results but FMT should work, too. The major benefit is that if the number is more than 4 digits, FMT won't truncate it. I hope. Environment is UniData 6.1 on a Windows server. Comments anyone? Thanks, BobW ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Simple FMT question
John's correct - you're likely in BASICTYPE 'P' which requires the format X = FMT(X,'R%4') - note that it will truncate the value if it's more than 4 characters. I usually just to a simple LEN check first: IF LEN(X) 4 THEN X = FMT(X,'R%4') If the basictype issue has you confused then I would strongly recommend you not set/change it. Simply realize which you work in and work with it. Most of the help/documentation is for 'U' format - but standard pick documentation should show the syntax required. The UD docs *usually* note when there are basictype differences but don't always make them clear. Good luck Colin Alfke Calgary, Canada -Original Message- From: Bob Woodward Hi Group, I don't know why this is kicking my butt but I'm trying to do a simple X = FMT(X,4\0R) statement, straight out of the HELP UNIBASIC listing and I can't seem to get it to work. The problem is the fill character, in this case the number zero, but what I get back is just the letter R, without the quote marks. I get pretty much the same result no matter what fill character I use. I simply want to format a number to be 4 characters long with leading zeros. If X=1, then it should result in X=0001, or so I've been lead to believe. I know that X = (:X)[4] works to get my results but FMT should work, too. The major benefit is that if the number is more than 4 digits, FMT won't truncate it. I hope. Environment is UniData 6.1 on a Windows server. Comments anyone? Thanks, BobW ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Simple FMT question
Bob, Format will Truncate or add a Text Mark at any overflow. David A. Green (480) 813-1725 DAG Consulting -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Woodward Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:17 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Simple FMT question Hi Group, I don't know why this is kicking my butt but I'm trying to do a simple X = FMT(X,4\0R) statement, straight out of the HELP UNIBASIC listing and I can't seem to get it to work. The problem is the fill character, in this case the number zero, but what I get back is just the letter R, without the quote marks. I get pretty much the same result no matter what fill character I use. I simply want to format a number to be 4 characters long with leading zeros. If X=1, then it should result in X=0001, or so I've been lead to believe. I know that X = (:X)[4] works to get my results but FMT should work, too. The major benefit is that if the number is more than 4 digits, FMT won't truncate it. I hope. Environment is UniData 6.1 on a Windows server. Comments anyone? Thanks, BobW ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Simple FMT question
Try: X = FMT(X,'40R') ... works here on UniData 6.1 Larry Hiscock Western Computer Services -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Woodward Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 12:17 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Simple FMT question Hi Group, I don't know why this is kicking my butt but I'm trying to do a simple X = FMT(X,4\0R) statement, straight out of the HELP UNIBASIC listing and I can't seem to get it to work. The problem is the fill character, in this case the number zero, but what I get back is just the letter R, without the quote marks. I get pretty much the same result no matter what fill character I use. I simply want to format a number to be 4 characters long with leading zeros. If X=1, then it should result in X=0001, or so I've been lead to believe. I know that X = (:X)[4] works to get my results but FMT should work, too. The major benefit is that if the number is more than 4 digits, FMT won't truncate it. I hope. Environment is UniData 6.1 on a Windows server. Comments anyone? Thanks, BobW ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse
Tony, Microsoft isn't struggling and they license Sharepoint only for named users and still sell it! My employer doesn't mind to pay a rather moderate license fee for 160 seats every year. But being charged tens of Thousands of Pounds for annual application support and every call still costs £100/hr really pissed them off. It isn't per-seat licensing but greedy software vendors that come up with rip-off schemes like that which give MV a bad name. Mecki On 08/07/2011 17:53, Tony Gravagno wrote: From: Mecki Foerthmann As I see it - I either buy a license for your application and separate ones for the database (U2) and development tools (SB+) or I won't buy from you at all, it's that simple! No wonder MV is struggling! Under the strict terms of U2 licensing, as defined by IBM lawyers, most companies here would be violation of the EULA. Such terms intentionally favor the vendors to allow them to act if licensing is being abused, though I haven't heard of a single instance where the more draconian terms were ever invoked. MV is struggling for many reasons, per-seat licensing a primary culprit, but I don't think anyone has ever not purchased a MV license because they felt the licensing didn't support multiple MV applications on a single system. T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse
Talk to Rocket. I have heard that there have been some discussion to resolve this problem David Jordan ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
