Re: [U2] [UV] Nice gotcha

2012-09-12 Thread Ed Clark 
 
IIRC, universe doesn't let you run *any* query commands, including LIST-ITEM, 
on a file if there isn't a dict defined.  So at some point someone had edited 
the voc f-pointer for LISTU.HISTORY, and put VOC into attribute 3? That's 
slightly dangerous. Good thing uv warns.

On Sep 12, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Wjhonson  wrote:

> So I was deleting a file so I could recreate it as a different file TYPE when 
> the following
> 
> DICT entry "VOC" does not match expected DICT "D_LISTU.HISTORY".
> Do you wish to DELETE this DICT file (Y/N)?
> 
> Wow that's really really nasty.
> Yes delete the VOC ?
> 
> I can see people doing this.
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Re: [U2] Etymology of "Q-Pointer"

2012-09-12 Thread Charles Stevenson 

I have 2 definitive answers. I believe both are true.


I posed the question to the U2-list & LinkedIn Pick Users Group (not 
Googlegroups).1


No one seemed to know there, either. “Q”uick seemed to be the most 
popular guess.


Finally, there were 2 claims of certain knowledge:

Brian Stone says:

Dick Pick himself told me that the Q-pointer stood for "Query."

Jonathon Sisk says:

Since my Pocket Guide was mentioned, I went to the same authority I used 
31 years ago when researching it. That would be Henry, of course, who 
said there is no significance to the choice of the letter Q for 
Q-pointers. Glad to still have access for these types of questions, and 
sorry to disappoint those searching for deeper meaning.


The Henry that Sisk mentions is, no doubt, Henry Eggers.

I believe both answers.

In case anyone was still interested.


cds




On 9/7/2012 5:25 PM, Charles Stevenson wrote:
The etymology question about "Q" has deteriorated into a PI vs Pick 
discussion.

In the Pick User GoogleGroup, it's about words that rhyme with "orange".

No one has the definitive historical answer? I thought maybe our 
resident historian, Dawn Wolthuis, would notice my "dawning days of 
Pick" comment and chime in.


"Quick" is the best anyone has come up with, I guess.


On 9/6/2012 9:19 PM, Charles Stevenson wrote:

A newbie stumped me: Why are "Q-Pointers" "Q" pointers ?

The "Q" lingo comes from the dawning days of Pick.
Why was the letter "Q" chosen?

"A"ttribute makes sense.
"S"ynonym makes sense.
"PQ" for Prestored Query makes sense. PR for Proc would have been 
better.


D3 User Guide just says,
"Q-pointers are used in account master dictionaries to point to other 
files."

UV User Ref says,
"Q-pointers are file definition synonyms that point to files in local 
and remote UniVerse accounts."

Jonathon Sisk's "Pick Pocket Guide" doesn't help, either.
PI never had Q-pointers. Clif, did Devcom consider it "Q"uestionable?

I posed the same question on Pick Users GoogleGroup, but I didn't get 
a really satisfactory answer, yet.

I'll bet someone here on the U2-List knows the true answer.

Chuck Stevenson







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[U2] [UV] Nice gotcha

2012-09-12 Thread Wjhonson 
So I was deleting a file so I could recreate it as a different file TYPE when 
the following

DICT entry "VOC" does not match expected DICT "D_LISTU.HISTORY".
Do you wish to DELETE this DICT file (Y/N)?

Wow that's really really nasty.
Yes delete the VOC ?

I can see people doing this.
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Re: [U2] [UD] Determining number of users licensed

2012-09-12 Thread Eric Neu 
Windows/UniData listuser has it as well

:listuser

 

Licensed/Effective # of Users   Udt Sql iPhantom
Total   
 

  68 / 68   51  0   0
51  
 






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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Baakkonen,
Rodney A (Rod) 46K
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [U2] [UD] Determining number of users licensed

 Are you on UNIX by chance? The first couple of lines of listuser tell
you:


# listuser | head

Licensed(UDT+CP)/Effective  Udt Sql iPhtm   Pooled
Total

( 875 + 0   ) / 875 511 45  2   0
558

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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Colin Alfke
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 3:54 PM
To: 'U2 Users List'
Subject: Re: [U2] [UD] Determining number of users licensed

I've tracked the largest number of users logged in - but I didn't have
to worry about the max.

I had thought it was in the SYSTEM() somewhere - but a quick look
through help didn't show it.

You could try parsing it out of the @udtbin\smm.log file... It's in
there for windows - not sure about HPUX though.

good luck
Colin

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To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [U2] [UD] Determining number of users licensed

Is there a way to programmatically determine the number of licensed
users allowed?

SYSTEM(514) reports the number of non-phantom users currently logged in,
which is essentially the number of licenses in use.  I want to compare
that against the number of users allowed in a monitoring program.  I
want to know if we're close to the limit before we run out.  The number
of licenses varies by server.

Colleagues have suggested using grep on udtconfig for NUSERS, but that
is not the same thing.  Since we generally have 100-200 phantom
processes, we sometimes configure to a size larger than the license
limit to have room for those phantom processes.

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Re: [U2] [UD] Determining number of users licensed

2012-09-12 Thread Baakkonen, Rodney A (Rod) 46K 
 Are you on UNIX by chance? The first couple of lines of listuser tell you:


# listuser | head

Licensed(UDT+CP)/Effective  Udt Sql iPhtm   Pooled  Total

( 875 + 0   ) / 875 511 45  2   0   558

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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Colin Alfke
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 3:54 PM
To: 'U2 Users List'
Subject: Re: [U2] [UD] Determining number of users licensed

I've tracked the largest number of users logged in - but I didn't have to
worry about the max.

I had thought it was in the SYSTEM() somewhere - but a quick look through
help didn't show it.

You could try parsing it out of the @udtbin\smm.log file... It's in there
for windows - not sure about HPUX though.

good luck
Colin

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To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [U2] [UD] Determining number of users licensed

Is there a way to programmatically determine the number of licensed users
allowed?

SYSTEM(514) reports the number of non-phantom users currently logged in,
which is essentially the number of licenses in use.  I want to compare that
against the number of users allowed in a monitoring program.  I want to know
if we're close to the limit before we run out.  The number of licenses
varies by server.

Colleagues have suggested using grep on udtconfig for NUSERS, but that is
not the same thing.  Since we generally have 100-200 phantom processes, we
sometimes configure to a size larger than the license limit to have room for
those phantom processes.

UniData 7.3.1
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Re: [U2] [UD] Determining number of users licensed

2012-09-12 Thread Wjhonson 
I thought system(36) shows the number of licenses
 

 

 

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Sent: Wed, Sep 12, 2012 1:38 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] [UD] Determining number of users licensed


Can you parse it out of the listusers OS command?

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:24 PM,  wrote:

> Is there a way to programmatically determine the number of licensed users
> allowed?
>
> SYSTEM(514) reports the number of non-phantom users currently logged in,
> which is essentially the number of licenses in use.  I want to compare that
> against the number of users allowed in a monitoring program.  I want to
> know if we're close to the limit before we run out.  The number of licenses
> varies by server.
>
> Colleagues have suggested using grep on udtconfig for NUSERS, but that is
> not the same thing.  Since we generally have 100-200 phantom processes, we
> sometimes configure to a size larger than the license limit to have room
> for those phantom processes.
>
> UniData 7.3.1
> HPUX 11.31
> Dean Armbruster
> Information Technology, System Analyst
> Ferguson Enterprises, Inc.
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Re: [U2] [UD] Determining number of users licensed

2012-09-12 Thread Colin Alfke 
I've tracked the largest number of users logged in - but I didn't have to
worry about the max.

I had thought it was in the SYSTEM() somewhere - but a quick look through
help didn't show it.

You could try parsing it out of the @udtbin\smm.log file... It's in there
for windows - not sure about HPUX though.

good luck
Colin

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From: dean.armbrus...@ferguson.com
Sent: September 12, 2012 2:24 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [U2] [UD] Determining number of users licensed

Is there a way to programmatically determine the number of licensed users
allowed?

SYSTEM(514) reports the number of non-phantom users currently logged in,
which is essentially the number of licenses in use.  I want to compare that
against the number of users allowed in a monitoring program.  I want to know
if we're close to the limit before we run out.  The number of licenses
varies by server.

Colleagues have suggested using grep on udtconfig for NUSERS, but that is
not the same thing.  Since we generally have 100-200 phantom processes, we
sometimes configure to a size larger than the license limit to have room for
those phantom processes.

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Re: [U2] [UD] Determining number of users licensed

2012-09-12 Thread Dan Goble 
You can use the PORT.STATUS command.   It shows the number of user licenses and 
the number of sessions used


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Subject: Re: [U2] [UD] Determining number of users licensed

Can you parse it out of the listusers OS command?

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:24 PM,  wrote:

> Is there a way to programmatically determine the number of licensed
> users allowed?
>
> SYSTEM(514) reports the number of non-phantom users currently logged
> in, which is essentially the number of licenses in use.  I want to
> compare that against the number of users allowed in a monitoring
> program.  I want to know if we're close to the limit before we run
> out.  The number of licenses varies by server.
>
> Colleagues have suggested using grep on udtconfig for NUSERS, but that
> is not the same thing.  Since we generally have 100-200 phantom
> processes, we sometimes configure to a size larger than the license
> limit to have room for those phantom processes.
>
> UniData 7.3.1
> HPUX 11.31
> Dean Armbruster
> Information Technology, System Analyst Ferguson Enterprises, Inc.
> 12500 Jefferson Avenue * Newport News * VA * 23602-4314
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Re: [U2] [UD] Determining number of users licensed

2012-09-12 Thread Kevin King 
Can you parse it out of the listusers OS command?

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:24 PM,  wrote:

> Is there a way to programmatically determine the number of licensed users
> allowed?
>
> SYSTEM(514) reports the number of non-phantom users currently logged in,
> which is essentially the number of licenses in use.  I want to compare that
> against the number of users allowed in a monitoring program.  I want to
> know if we're close to the limit before we run out.  The number of licenses
> varies by server.
>
> Colleagues have suggested using grep on udtconfig for NUSERS, but that is
> not the same thing.  Since we generally have 100-200 phantom processes, we
> sometimes configure to a size larger than the license limit to have room
> for those phantom processes.
>
> UniData 7.3.1
> HPUX 11.31
> Dean Armbruster
> Information Technology, System Analyst
> Ferguson Enterprises, Inc.
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[U2] [UD] Determining number of users licensed

2012-09-12 Thread Dean.Armbruster 
Is there a way to programmatically determine the number of licensed users 
allowed?

SYSTEM(514) reports the number of non-phantom users currently logged in, which 
is essentially the number of licenses in use.  I want to compare that against 
the number of users allowed in a monitoring program.  I want to know if we're 
close to the limit before we run out.  The number of licenses varies by server.

Colleagues have suggested using grep on udtconfig for NUSERS, but that is not 
the same thing.  Since we generally have 100-200 phantom processes, we 
sometimes configure to a size larger than the license limit to have room for 
those phantom processes.

UniData 7.3.1
HPUX 11.31
Dean Armbruster
Information Technology, System Analyst
Ferguson Enterprises, Inc.
12500 Jefferson Avenue * Newport News * VA * 23602-4314
T: +1 (757) 989 2839 * F: +1 (757) 989 2801
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Re: [U2] Multivalue Work In South Dakota

2012-09-12 Thread Charlie Noah 

Thanks, Jeff.

On 09-12-2012 8:52 AM, Jeff Schasny wrote:
They may be referring to the Williston Basin oil boom, in which case 
they do need many people, just not IT types:


http://www.epmag.com/item/Williston-Basin-Oil-Boom-Gains-Momentum_95509

Charlie Noah wrote:
I saw a TV news piece this morning saying that South Dakota was in 
dire need of employees in many fields, including IT. I started 
searching, and haven't been able to find any multivalue companies in 
SD, much less jobs. Am I looking in the wrong places?


Thanks,
Charlie

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Re: [U2] Multivalue Work In South Dakota

2012-09-12 Thread Charlie Noah 

Thanks, Dawn. I will research that.

Charlie

On 09-12-2012 9:06 AM, Dawn Wolthuis wrote:

I do not know the circumstances and did not read anything but I am minutes away 
from SD. I do know that all state colleges are under the board of regents 
running Ellucian software -- MultiValue for student systems (formerly known as 
Datatel) --dawn

Typed on a mobile keyboard

On Sep 12, 2012, at 8:38 AM, Charlie Noah  wrote:


I saw a TV news piece this morning saying that South Dakota was in dire need of 
employees in many fields, including IT. I started searching, and haven't been 
able to find any multivalue companies in SD, much less jobs. Am I looking in 
the wrong places?

Thanks,
Charlie

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Re: [U2] Multivalue Work In South Dakota

2012-09-12 Thread Dawn Wolthuis 
I do not know the circumstances and did not read anything but I am minutes away 
from SD. I do know that all state colleges are under the board of regents 
running Ellucian software -- MultiValue for student systems (formerly known as 
Datatel) --dawn

Typed on a mobile keyboard

On Sep 12, 2012, at 8:38 AM, Charlie Noah  wrote:

> I saw a TV news piece this morning saying that South Dakota was in dire need 
> of employees in many fields, including IT. I started searching, and haven't 
> been able to find any multivalue companies in SD, much less jobs. Am I 
> looking in the wrong places?
> 
> Thanks,
> Charlie
> 
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Re: [U2] Multivalue Work In South Dakota

2012-09-12 Thread Jeff Schasny 
They may be referring to the Williston Basin oil boom, in which case 
they do need many people, just not IT types:


http://www.epmag.com/item/Williston-Basin-Oil-Boom-Gains-Momentum_95509

Charlie Noah wrote:
I saw a TV news piece this morning saying that South Dakota was in 
dire need of employees in many fields, including IT. I started 
searching, and haven't been able to find any multivalue companies in 
SD, much less jobs. Am I looking in the wrong places?


Thanks,
Charlie

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[U2] Multivalue Work In South Dakota

2012-09-12 Thread Charlie Noah 
I saw a TV news piece this morning saying that South Dakota was in dire 
need of employees in many fields, including IT. I started searching, and 
haven't been able to find any multivalue companies in SD, much less 
jobs. Am I looking in the wrong places?


Thanks,
Charlie

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Re: [U2] Etymology of "Q-Pointer"

2012-09-12 Thread Brett Callacher 
Completely agreed.  Even within Universe the longer Locate syntax can be 
ambiguous.

"Tony Gravagno" <3xk547...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message 
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> I do the exact opposite for exactly the same reasons. :)
> I use the Locate function rather than statement because I find it
> easier to read and 99% consistent across all platforms.
> 
> T
> 
> > From: John Lorentz 
> > I fully believe that I've never used the function ever since they
> introduced
> > it as an alternative to the function on Reality sometime in the late
> 70s.
> > While there are some small differences between Pick platforms on the
> > layout of the LOCATE statement (having to do with searching values,
> > subvalues, etc.), it's so much easier to read than using the
> function.
> > 
> > But then, I've only been programming in Pick since 1978...
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