Re: [U2] [UD] LISTUSER output: phantom vs. iphantm

[Wally Terhune]

https://u2tc.rocketsoftware.com/documentation/PDF/1177927.pdf

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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Kevin King
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 8:37 AM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] [UD] LISTUSER output: phantom vs. iphantm

Is there a definitive list of operations that makes something an iPhantom vs. a 
phantom?  I know about sockets, but presume there is more, right?

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Re: [U2] Ellucian job posting a little bizarre

[Howder, Scott]

Ellucian is the result of Datatel and SunGard HE merging bringing the
Colleague, Banner, and PowerCampus products under one house.  Colleague has
its roots in Pick based systems but Banner and PowerCampus do not.  This
job posting is for a position in a Banner environment so there is no need
for any Pick experience.


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Cedarville University
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On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Wjhonson  wrote:

> Is ellucian really so fool proof that you need *no* Pick experience to
> operate
>
>
> http://jobview.monster.com/getjob.aspx?jobid=113258910&WT.mc_n=olm_sk_feed_beyond
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Re: [U2] Ellucian job posting a little bizarre

[Jim . Stoner]

Hi,

Unless I missed it, that job description only mentioned Ellucian Banner, not 
Colleague.  Banner is the ex-Sungard product, while Colleague is the ex-Datatel 
product that uses UniData.  Banner would not require any Pick experience, as 
far as I know.

Cheers,
Jim Stoner
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[U2] Ellucian job posting a little bizarre

[Wjhonson]

Is ellucian really so fool proof that you need *no* Pick experience to operate 

http://jobview.monster.com/getjob.aspx?jobid=113258910&WT.mc_n=olm_sk_feed_beyond


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Re: [U2] [UD] LISTUSER output: phantom vs. iphantm

[Kevin King]

Is there a definitive list of operations that makes something an iPhantom
vs. a phantom?  I know about sockets, but presume there is more, right?

On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:26 AM, Brian Leach  wrote:

> iPhantoms are any background that perform interactive operations, such as
> opening a socket or device. They consume a licence.
>
> FWIH some time back a couple of naughty sites were buying small numbers of
> users and opening ttys directly with phantoms so IBM blocked that. Now it
> catches all of us who legitimately want to make a web service or similar
> call in the background.
>
> Brian
>
> -Original Message-
> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of
> dean.armbrus...@ferguson.com
> Sent: 13 September 2012 23:32
> To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
> Subject: [U2] [UD] LISTUSER output: phantom vs. iphantm
>
> What is the difference between LISTUSER USRTYPEs "phantom" and "iphantm"?
>
> On our systems, we will have 100 to 200 phantom processes, i.e. background
> processes, running at any given moment.  When I look at them via LISTUSER,
> they will be split approximately 60/40 between phantom and iphantm.  All
> were started using the PHANTOM verb.
>
> I can't discern a difference, and I can't find anything about it in the 7.3
> UniData documents.  A search for "iphantm" has no hits.
>
> This comes into play because it seems that SYSTEM(514) includes iphantm
> sessions in the count, but not phantom sessions.  We have a monitoring
> program that warns us if the number of users approaches the configured
> license limit, and it uses SYSTEM(514).  We built in for it to allow for a
> configurable amount of phantom processes.  If phantom processes may or may
> not be included in SYSTEM(514), our monitor program isn't as accurate as it
> could be.
>
> It seems to me that neither phantom nor iphantm should be included in
> SYSTEM(514).  HELP for SYSTEM(514) states that it returns the number users
> currently logged in and does not include phantoms.  Presumably, this is the
> number of licenses in use.  Do iphantm sessions use a license?
>
>
> UniData 7.3.1
> HPUX 11.31
>
> Dean Armbruster
> Information Technology, System Analyst
> Ferguson Enterprises, Inc.
> 12500 Jefferson Avenue * Newport News * VA * 23602-4314
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Re: [U2] [UD] Determining number of users licensed

[Symeon Breen]

Not on UD



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Sent: 12 September 2012 21:59
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Subject: Re: [U2] [UD] Determining number of users licensed

I thought system(36) shows the number of licenses
 

 

 

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From: Kevin King 
To: U2 Users List 
Sent: Wed, Sep 12, 2012 1:38 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] [UD] Determining number of users licensed


Can you parse it out of the listusers OS command?

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:24 PM,  wrote:

> Is there a way to programmatically determine the number of licensed 
> users allowed?
>
> SYSTEM(514) reports the number of non-phantom users currently logged 
> in, which is essentially the number of licenses in use.  I want to 
> compare that against the number of users allowed in a monitoring 
> program.  I want to know if we're close to the limit before we run 
> out.  The number of licenses varies by server.
>
> Colleagues have suggested using grep on udtconfig for NUSERS, but that 
> is not the same thing.  Since we generally have 100-200 phantom 
> processes, we sometimes configure to a size larger than the license 
> limit to have room for those phantom processes.
>
> UniData 7.3.1
> HPUX 11.31
> Dean Armbruster
> Information Technology, System Analyst Ferguson Enterprises, Inc.
> 12500 Jefferson Avenue * Newport News * VA * 23602-4314
> T: +1 (757) 989 2839 * F: +1 (757) 989 2801 
> www.ferguson.com
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Re: [U2] [UD] LISTUSER output: phantom vs. iphantm

[Brian Leach]

iPhantoms are any background that perform interactive operations, such as
opening a socket or device. They consume a licence.

FWIH some time back a couple of naughty sites were buying small numbers of
users and opening ttys directly with phantoms so IBM blocked that. Now it
catches all of us who legitimately want to make a web service or similar
call in the background.

Brian

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From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of
dean.armbrus...@ferguson.com
Sent: 13 September 2012 23:32
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [U2] [UD] LISTUSER output: phantom vs. iphantm

What is the difference between LISTUSER USRTYPEs "phantom" and "iphantm"?

On our systems, we will have 100 to 200 phantom processes, i.e. background
processes, running at any given moment.  When I look at them via LISTUSER,
they will be split approximately 60/40 between phantom and iphantm.  All
were started using the PHANTOM verb.

I can't discern a difference, and I can't find anything about it in the 7.3
UniData documents.  A search for "iphantm" has no hits.

This comes into play because it seems that SYSTEM(514) includes iphantm
sessions in the count, but not phantom sessions.  We have a monitoring
program that warns us if the number of users approaches the configured
license limit, and it uses SYSTEM(514).  We built in for it to allow for a
configurable amount of phantom processes.  If phantom processes may or may
not be included in SYSTEM(514), our monitor program isn't as accurate as it
could be.

It seems to me that neither phantom nor iphantm should be included in
SYSTEM(514).  HELP for SYSTEM(514) states that it returns the number users
currently logged in and does not include phantoms.  Presumably, this is the
number of licenses in use.  Do iphantm sessions use a license?


UniData 7.3.1
HPUX 11.31

Dean Armbruster
Information Technology, System Analyst
Ferguson Enterprises, Inc.
12500 Jefferson Avenue * Newport News * VA * 23602-4314
T: +1 (757) 989 2839 * F: +1 (757) 989 2801
www.ferguson.com

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