[U2] Fwd: UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse)
-Original Message- From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:42 am Subject: Re: [U2] UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse) But with programmers able to create new DICT entries as they will, how do you *keep* it spotless? -Original Message- From: Hona, David david.h...@cba.com.au To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 5:40 pm Subject: Re: [U2] UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse) Regardless of the toolset, the first hurdle would be to normalise your database to look like a relational one. Which is likely to be the greatest hurdle. Data dictionaries in U2/PICK are optional are a purely for reporting purposes - they can have duplicates and these can be conflicting. Even worse (as if you thought it could be) - data dictionaries can be incomplete or wrong. This added to the lack of enforcement of data integrity and constraints usually causes these toolsets to fail (indeed, even the UV/ODBC driver fails too!)... so good luck! Rocket released U2 Metadata Manager to assist in this respect and is designed to allow forward and backwards capability. Although, support for this in UV is limited to the latest official release... so your alternative is UV/ODBC... For UV/ODBC users - I have always recommended a separate UV account and data dictionary that is spotless. For some this is the best option - why go against the flow - when you create your own stream... ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Fwd: UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse)
Wj, Sarcasm on: Use the Don security theory, first offense, cut off a couple of fingers, second offense, cut off right hand, problem solved. Sarcasm off Seriously, this boils down to a management issue, employee supervision and buy in. Don From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 12:44 PM Subject: [U2] Fwd: UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse) -Original Message- From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:42 am Subject: Re: [U2] UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse) But with programmers able to create new DICT entries as they will, how do you *keep* it spotless? -Original Message- From: Hona, David david.h...@cba.com.au To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 5:40 pm Subject: Re: [U2] UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse) Regardless of the toolset, the first hurdle would be to normalise your database to look like a relational one. Which is likely to be the greatest hurdle. Data dictionaries in U2/PICK are optional are a purely for reporting purposes - they can have duplicates and these can be conflicting. Even worse (as if you thought it could be) - data dictionaries can be incomplete or wrong. This added to the lack of enforcement of data integrity and constraints usually causes these toolsets to fail (indeed, even the UV/ODBC driver fails too!)... so good luck! Rocket released U2 Metadata Manager to assist in this respect and is designed to allow forward and backwards capability. Although, support for this in UV is limited to the latest official release... so your alternative is UV/ODBC... For UV/ODBC users - I have always recommended a separate UV account and data dictionary that is spotless. For some this is the best option - why go against the flow - when you create your own stream... ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse)
I have some heartburn with the words optional and purely below. To me, it is like saying that Daniel Webster was just a door-to-door encyclopedia salesman. U2 data dictionaries are key tool. Why would someone climb on to a Rocket... to explore the UniVerse... without a map... of the data? --Bill -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Hona, David Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 8:40 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse) Regardless of the toolset, the first hurdle would be to normalise your database to look like a relational one. Which is likely to be the greatest hurdle. Data dictionaries in U2/PICK are optional are a purely for reporting purposes - they can have duplicates and these can be conflicting. Even worse (as if you thought it could be) - data dictionaries can be incomplete or wrong. This added to the lack of enforcement of data integrity and constraints usually causes these toolsets to fail (indeed, even the UV/ODBC driver fails too!)... so good luck! Rocket released U2 Metadata Manager to assist in this respect and is designed to allow forward and backwards capability. Although, support for this in UV is limited to the latest official release... so your alternative is UV/ODBC... For UV/ODBC users - I have always recommended a separate UV account and data dictionary that is spotless. For some this is the best option - why go against the flow - when you create your own stream... -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Lynette LeDoux Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2013 5:45 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse) Hello all. The call has come to locate possible data modelling tools (UML) that could potentially would connect to our UniVerse system. Ideas? L2 (Lynette LeDoux) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of u2-users-requ...@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 2:00 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: U2-Users Digest, Vol 51, Issue 13 Send U2-Users mailing list submissions to u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to u2-users-requ...@listserver.u2ug.org You can reach the person managing the list at u2-users-ow...@listserver.u2ug.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of U2-Users digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Mobile phones (Symeon Breen) 2. Re: [ANN] FOSS4MV - Free Open Source Software for the MVDB world (Daniel McGrath) 3. SORT reports line length, change right margin? (randyleesmith) 4. Re: SORT reports line length, change right margin? (Anthonys Lists) 5. Re: SORT reports line length, change right margin? (Don Robinson) 6. Re: Mobile phones (Bill Haskett) 7. Re: SORT reports line length, change right margin? (randyleesmith) 8. Re: SORT reports line length, change right margin? (Bill Haskett) 9. Re: SORT reports line length, change right margin? (Wols Lists) 10. Re: SORT reports line length, change right margin? (randyleesmith) 11. Re: SORT reports line length, change right margin? (Wols Lists) 12. Re: SORT reports line length, change right margin? (randyleesmith) 13. Re: SORT reports line length, change right margin? (Wols Lists) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 13:20:14 +0100 From: Symeon Breen syme...@gmail.com To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Mobile phones Message-ID: 004d01ce8155$a9f67e30$fde37a90$@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks everyone for your information. -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:25:42 + From: Daniel McGrath dmcgr...@rocketsoftware.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [ANN] FOSS4MV - Free Open Source Software for the MVDB world Message-ID: 61ef3a8534e14d709dffdc5bd2f27...@den-vm-mbx3.rocketsoftware.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks Tony Kevin! Unhappy to see we both ended up on different platforms (GitHub BitBucket) which means people would need to learn 2 different sites, but ecstatic to see we both ended up using Git which means people really only need to learn 1 tool chain to be able to work with both. Cheers, Dan McGrath Managing Director, U2 Servers Lab Rocket Software 4600 South Ulster Street? ?? Suite 1100? ??? Denver, CO 80237 ?? USA T: +1 720 475 8098 ? E: dmcgr...@rocketsoftware.com ? W: u2.rocketsoftware.com -Original Message- From:
Re: [U2] Fwd: UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse)
You can place all of your dictionaries into a separate account, in a separate directory. Create valid update permissions for an administrator to this database directory and read permissions for users, and anyone else Bill Untitled Page - Original Message - *From:* wjhon...@aol.com *To:* u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org *Date:* 7/16/2013 9:44 AM *Subject:* [U2] Fwd: UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse) -Original Message- From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:42 am Subject: Re: [U2] UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse) But with programmers able to create new DICT entries as they will, how do you *keep* it spotless? -Original Message- From: Hona, David david.h...@cba.com.au To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 5:40 pm Subject: Re: [U2] UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse) Regardless of the toolset, the first hurdle would be to normalise your database to look like a relational one. Which is likely to be the greatest hurdle. Data dictionaries in U2/PICK are optional are a purely for reporting purposes - they can have duplicates and these can be conflicting. Even worse (as if you thought it could be) - data dictionaries can be incomplete or wrong. This added to the lack of enforcement of data integrity and constraints usually causes these toolsets to fail (indeed, even the UV/ODBC driver fails too!)... so good luck! Rocket released U2 Metadata Manager to assist in this respect and is designed to allow forward and backwards capability. Although, support for this in UV is limited to the latest official release... so your alternative is UV/ODBC... For UV/ODBC users - I have always recommended a separate UV account and data dictionary that is spotless. For some this is the best option - why go against the flow - when you create your own stream... ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse)
I can understand the desire to reshape the world that is, but I prefer a tool that uses the world as already defined. That way you can be assured that changes do not upset it, since it's already coded to allow whatever woolley thing it encounters to be properly understood. Paying people to clean up your dictionaries just so you can map them, seems backward to me. Better to write a tool that can use the dictionaries as they are, and figure out how to map the data from that. I would suggest that any link that is not already defined clearly in the dictionary is probably unimportant at any rate. And by the way, just to throw a wrench, data mapping is really not the fix to anything, without a clear mapping of the processes that create that data, rework it, and destroy it. Mapping the dictionaries doesn't tell you one thing about those. -Original Message- From: Bill Brutzman bi...@hkmetalcraft.com To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:05 am Subject: Re: [U2] UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse) I have some heartburn with the words optional and purely below. To me, it is like saying that Daniel Webster was just a door-to-door encyclopedia salesman. U2 data dictionaries are key tool. Why would someone climb on to a Rocket... to explore the UniVerse... without a map... of the data? --Bill -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Hona, David Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 8:40 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse) Regardless of the toolset, the first hurdle would be to normalise your database to look like a relational one. Which is likely to be the greatest hurdle. Data dictionaries in U2/PICK are optional are a purely for reporting purposes - they can have duplicates and these can be conflicting. Even worse (as if you thought it could be) - data dictionaries can be incomplete or wrong. This added to the lack of enforcement of data integrity and constraints usually causes these toolsets to fail (indeed, even the UV/ODBC driver fails too!)... so good luck! Rocket released U2 Metadata Manager to assist in this respect and is designed to allow forward and backwards capability. Although, support for this in UV is limited to the latest official release... so your alternative is UV/ODBC... For UV/ODBC users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Fwd: UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse)
The only downside to that would be that you can't have filenames of the same name in different accounts, Unless you factor the accountname into the dict name. George -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 2:11 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Fwd: UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse) You can place all of your dictionaries into a separate account, in a separate directory. Create valid update permissions for an administrator to this database directory and read permissions for users, and anyone else Bill Untitled Page ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse)
Not so, not so We do not put dict names on our files that reference any kind of credit card information. So if someone is List dicts, it won't jump out at them, there could be information worth taking a look at. What we have been doing, is we have a Word Template, and keep our file layouts that way (full layouts). -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 2:12 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse) I would suggest that any link that is not already defined clearly in the dictionary is probably unimportant at any ra ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse)
Not data... links. IMHO, the main force of a data modeling tool, isn't to show you the data in each table, it's to show you how the tables link to each other. So what I was saying in the below snip, is that any missing links, probably aren't important, and the tool should just map what it sees, ignore what it doesn't see. You can then have exceptions. To me that's a lot easier than createing an entirely other structure and the need to keep that in sync with the base structure -Original Message- From: George Gallen ggal...@wyanokegroup.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 11:23 am Subject: Re: [U2] UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse) Not so, not so We do not put dict names on our files that reference any kind of credit card information. So if someone is List dicts, it won't jump out at them, there could be information worth taking a look at. What we have been doing, is we have a Word Template, and keep our file layouts that way (full layouts). -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 2:12 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse) I would suggest that any link that is not already defined clearly in the dictionary is probably unimportant at any ra ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Fwd: UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse)
George: You could create another dictionary account, next to the first one, and reference it for those accounts that utilize the same file names with different data structures. Would that work? Bill Untitled Page - Original Message - *From:* ggal...@wyanokegroup.com *To:* U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org *Date:* 7/16/2013 11:16 AM *Subject:* Re: [U2] Fwd: UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse) The only downside to that would be that you can't have filenames of the same name in different accounts, unless you factor the accountname into the dict name. George -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 2:11 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Fwd: UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse) You can place all of your dictionaries into a separate account, in a separate directory. Create valid update permissions for an administrator to this database directory and read permissions for users, and anyone else Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Fwd: UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse)
(Hey Don, I think you have your ReplyTo set, so replies to your posts to the list go to you direct.. Resending this to list...) I think Don is spot on - substitute time off and other consequences for finger breaking, though the Italian in me is quite partial to the finger solution. It's assumed that the norm is to have bad dicts with no documentation - a problem that needs to be remedied. That's just accepted norm. If it's clear that it's not accepted then it doesn't become the norm which then requires some sort of remedy. If the norm is established as policy, and consequences for failure to adhere to policy are well known, then most of these problems with administering chaos go away. That goes for backups, version control, comments, application of patches/updates, and other areas where change (or inaction) in an environment can have adverse effects. T From: Don Robinson Wj, Sarcasm on: Use the Don security theory, first offense, cut off a couple of fingers, second offense, cut off right hand, problem solved. Sarcasm off Seriously, this boils down to a management issue, employee supervision and buy in. Don From: Wjhonson But with programmers able to create new DICT entries as they will, how do you *keep* it spotless? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse)
On 16/07/13 01:39, Hona, David wrote: Regardless of the toolset, the first hurdle would be to normalise your database to look like a relational one. Which is likely to be the greatest hurdle. Data dictionaries in U2/PICK are optional are a purely for reporting purposes - they can have duplicates and these can be conflicting. Even worse (as if you thought it could be) - data dictionaries can be incomplete or wrong. This added to the lack of enforcement of data integrity and constraints usually causes these toolsets to fail (indeed, even the UV/ODBC driver fails too!)... so good luck! Rocket released U2 Metadata Manager to assist in this respect and is designed to allow forward and backwards capability. Although, support for this in UV is limited to the latest official release... so your alternative is UV/ODBC... For UV/ODBC users - I have always recommended a separate UV account and data dictionary that is spotless. For some this is the best option - why go against the flow - when you create your own stream... And look on Pickwiki - there are a few tools there meant to clean up dictionaries ready for ODBC export. The problem is when there's loads of data of the wrong type in your field ... :-) What do you do when you need to clean the data file, as well as the dict ... Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] Fwd: UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse)
Greetings, Keeping the dictionary clean // authorizing change // tracking change // synching - PRC helps with that. Weak excuse for a plug, right? Susan Joslyn SJ+ Systems Associates, Inc. PRC - It Governance for U2. - Message: 7 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 09:59:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Robinson donr_w...@yahoo.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Fwd: UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse) Message-ID: 1373993983.14363.yahoomail...@web120205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Wj, ? Sarcasm on: Use the Don security theory, first?offense, cut off a couple of fingers, second offense, cut off right hand, problem solved. Sarcasm off ? Seriously, this boils down to a management issue, employee?supervision and buy in. Don? From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 12:44 PM Subject: [U2] Fwd: UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse) -Original Message- From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:42 am Subject: Re: [U2] UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse) But with programmers able to create new DICT entries as they will, how do you *keep* it spotless? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Fwd: UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse)
How does PRC prevent programmers from creating extra dict entries ? -Original Message- From: Susan Joslyn sjos...@sjplus.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 1:45 pm Subject: [U2] Fwd: UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse) Greetings, Keeping the dictionary clean // authorizing change // tracking change // synching - PRC helps with that. Weak excuse for a plug, right? Susan Joslyn SJ+ Systems Associates, Inc. PRC - It Governance for U2. - Message: 7 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 09:59:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Robinson donr_w...@yahoo.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Fwd: UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse) Message-ID: 1373993983.14363.yahoomail...@web120205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Wj, ? Sarcasm on: Use the Don security theory, first?offense, cut off a couple of fingers, second offense, cut off right hand, problem solved. Sarcasm off ? Seriously, this boils down to a management issue, employee?supervision and buy in. Don? From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 12:44 PM Subject: [U2] Fwd: UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse) -Original Message- From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 9:42 am Subject: Re: [U2] UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse) But with programmers able to create new DICT entries as they will, how do you *keep* it spotless? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Fwd: UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse)
You silly boys and girls, you don't need dictionaries to do a UML class diagram. You just need UniBasic code, Eclipse to index your code, and XLr8 to create the XML. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com Spelling is optional for U2 programmers ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Fwd: UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse)
Yea, but who's going to read, and understand, the XML? :-) Bill Untitled Page - Original Message - *From:* dave...@gmail.com *To:* U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org *Date:* 7/16/2013 2:05 PM *Subject:* Re: [U2] Fwd: UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse) You silly boys and girls, you don't need dictionaries to do a UML class diagram. You just need UniBasic code, Eclipse to index your code, and XLr8 to create the XML. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com Spelling is optional for U2 programmers ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Fwd: UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse)
How does it know what to call the data elements? Code typically won't call an element Date.Hired But the HR processing module, might just write the Action Date or even the System Date into field 12 or something It's up to the dictionary, and/or human knowledge of what the date means in this case, to know it's the Date.Hired. So how do you address that problem by just reading code? -Original Message- From: Doug Averch dave...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 2:05 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Fwd: UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse) You silly boys and girls, you don't need dictionaries to do a UML class diagram. You just need UniBasic code, Eclipse to index your code, and XLr8 to create the XML. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com Spelling is optional for U2 programmers ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Fwd: UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse)
Doctor who gets into the mix. Thats an interesting use for Eclipse. Thanks - Original Message - From: Doug Averch dave...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [U2] Fwd: UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse) You silly boys and girls, you don't need dictionaries to do a UML class diagram. You just need UniBasic code, Eclipse to index your code, and XLr8 to create the XML. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com Spelling is optional for U2 programmers ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Fwd: UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse)
If you use equates (EQUATE ACTION.DATE TO 12) then our XLr8 Eclipse based system knows that your destination is 12 and is called ACTION.DATE. If you U2 dictionary has 5 references to the position 12, then you will have to have add a definition file to allow the translation to something other than 12. This really is not Rocket Science. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com XLr8 Tools for the Universe and Unidata On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: How does it know what to call the data elements? Code typically won't call an element Date.Hired But the HR processing module, might just write the Action Date or even the System Date into field 12 or something It's up to the dictionary, and/or human knowledge of what the date means in this case, to know it's the Date.Hired. So how do you address that problem by just reading code? -Original Message- From: Doug Averch dave...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 2:05 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Fwd: UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse) You silly boys and girls, you don't need dictionaries to do a UML class diagram. You just need UniBasic code, Eclipse to index your code, and XLr8 to create the XML. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com Spelling is optional for U2 programmers ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Fwd: UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse)
If your starting from scratch, that would be a great. Standardization is always the best thing for oganization, but most Pick systems are made up of 20-30 years of programmers to came and went with differing styles. Maybe because of Pick's lack of organization enforcement - that is one of it's failings - it puts all the burden of documentation onto the programmers - Nobody got time for that! -Original Message- From: Doug Averch Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 5:31 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Fwd: UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse) If you use equates (EQUATE ACTION.DATE TO 12) then our XLr8 Eclipse based system knows that your destination is 12 and is called ACTION.DATE. If you U2 dictionary has 5 references to the position 12, then you will have to have add a definition file to allow the translation to something other than 12. This really is not Rocket Science. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com XLr8 Tools for the Universe and Unidata On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: How does it know what to call the data elements? Code typically won't call an element Date.Hired But the HR processing module, might just write the Action Date or even the System Date into field 12 or something It's up to the dictionary, and/or human knowledge of what the date means in this case, to know it's the Date.Hired. So how do you address that problem by just reading code? -Original Message- From: Doug Averch dave...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 2:05 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Fwd: UML mapping tool for MV (UniVerse) You silly boys and girls, you don't need dictionaries to do a UML class diagram. You just need UniBasic code, Eclipse to index your code, and XLr8 to create the XML. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com Spelling is optional for U2 programmers ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
