Re: [U2] Code Coverage Project
Hey Charlie, If you get it working in jBASE can you send a copy back so I can create a jBASE branch for it? If you need me to explain what is going on in a section, feel free to ask. Cheers, Dan -- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 07:10:38 -0600 From: Charlie Noah To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Code Coverage Project Message-ID: 4b11214e.2090...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed If I can get it to work in Jbase (assuming I can figure out how it works), I will definitely use it as a programming tool. Anything I can do to keep egg off my face, as well as keeping my boss from asking just how much I had tested, is a good thing, and trying to test every pathway through a program is hard! I think most of us would agree that a programmer is not the best person to test his/her own work. Charlie Noah Sr. Systems Analyst Inland Truck Parts Company ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Code Coverage Project
Will do, Dan. Charlie On 11-29-2009 3:49 AM, Dan McGrath wrote: Hey Charlie, If you get it working in jBASE can you send a copy back so I can create a jBASE branch for it? If you need me to explain what is going on in a section, feel free to ask. Cheers, Dan -- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 07:10:38 -0600 From: Charlie Noah To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Code Coverage Project Message-ID: 4b11214e.2090...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed If I can get it to work in Jbase (assuming I can figure out how it works), I will definitely use it as a programming tool. Anything I can do to keep egg off my face, as well as keeping my boss from asking just how much I had tested, is a good thing, and trying to test every pathway through a program is hard! I think most of us would agree that a programmer is not the best person to test his/her own work. Charlie Noah Sr. Systems Analyst Inland Truck Parts Company ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Code Coverage Project
Dan, Although I missed code coverage in programming school, I'm not sure how much UniBasic programmers would or could use code coverage. That being said, why not take an existing program that is fully developed and change the syntax to handle basic syntax. This way you do not have to develop the entire infastracture to run this tool. My suggestion is there are several open source plug-in for Eclipse that can be modified to handle code coverage. There are several examples like jcoverage or gcov that could be used for this type of project. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com Native U2 drivers for PHP -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dan McGrath Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 2:35 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Code Coverage Project Hi all, For those that are interested, I have setup a project on SourceForge for a Statement Level Code Coverage Tool for UniBasic. It is based on the prototype for a similar tool we now use at my current employer. Although this version is incomplete, it still enables statement level coverage for multiple programs/subroutine with html output. The parser (I really shouldn't use that term) is still quite primitive in this version and may not work with how some programs are coded. http://sourceforge.net/projects/ucov/ For a screen shot of the output and a short post about it, visit: http://u2tech.wordpress.com/ Regards, Dan ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Code Coverage Project
It won't be used by programmers but would by QC/QA types to check and see if the code is being used or is just a bunch of fluff. One good example would be if your company is using outsourcing to do your programming and the outsource is getting paid on the amount of code they produce, instead of the correct way of getting paid on the quality of their code. You can check to see if all paths through the code are being used or not. Jerry Banker -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Doug Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 10:47 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Code Coverage Project Dan, Although I missed code coverage in programming school, I'm not sure how much UniBasic programmers would or could use code coverage. That being said, why not take an existing program that is fully developed and change the syntax to handle basic syntax. This way you do not have to develop the entire infastracture to run this tool. My suggestion is there are several open source plug-in for Eclipse that can be modified to handle code coverage. There are several examples like jcoverage or gcov that could be used for this type of project. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com Native U2 drivers for PHP -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dan McGrath Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 2:35 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Code Coverage Project Hi all, For those that are interested, I have setup a project on SourceForge for a Statement Level Code Coverage Tool for UniBasic. It is based on the prototype for a similar tool we now use at my current employer. Although this version is incomplete, it still enables statement level coverage for multiple programs/subroutine with html output. The parser (I really shouldn't use that term) is still quite primitive in this version and may not work with how some programs are coded. http://sourceforge.net/projects/ucov/ For a screen shot of the output and a short post about it, visit: http://u2tech.wordpress.com/ Regards, Dan ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Code Coverage Project
I've read your blog notes and anything else I can find but I have no idea what this does. Could you please define the term coverage in this context? Does this identify where variables are used? Variables that aren't used? When they are changed? Why they mean? How data moves from one program to another? When statements are executed? What statements cannot be executed? I have written many parsers and pseudo compilers and code interpreters - but I'm sorry I just don't understand what this one does. :) Thanks. T From: Dan McGrath For those that are interested, I have setup a project on SourceForge for a Statement Level Code Coverage Tool for UniBasic. It is based on the prototype for a similar tool we now use at my current employer. Although this version is incomplete, it still enables statement level coverage for multiple programs/subroutine with html output. The parser (I really shouldn't use that term) is still quite primitive in this version and may not work with how some programs are coded. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Code Coverage Project
Yes, we use it in QA to ensure that we have tested all major sections so that we are more confident in sending it to User Acceptance Testing and then Production. However, we doing use it in production support and programming too. Say you have a large processing program with several complex conditions being required to be met before it will continue. If it isn't met, it doesn't tell you why. You could: 1) Modify the program to include CRT trace statements to determine where it bailed 2) Walkthrough it with debugging on. 3) Run it with code coverage and check the report, which will quickly show you where it bailed. Obviously, you would prefer the program to have been better in the first place, but when working with 3000+ programs, most of them circa 1995 or before, you don't always have that luxury. We have used this method to decent effect in speeding up the time to locate and fix bugs. Obviously, YMMV and it shouldn't be used as a silver bullet, just were most effective. As a final note on the subject, I am unsure of why you would think being a UniBasic programmer should make a difference? Software development is software development. Being on a U2 system doesn't (and shouldn't) mean modern practices do not apply. As to why not just modified jcoverage or the like. Firstly, BDT does not work for us. We can not actually run or debug via BDT due to several architectural problems that cannot be solved on our system. We also could not run any variety that ran directly on the OS for the UD box either due to a lot of red tape of access privileges and security policies. This left us with the requirement that it must be coded and run in native UniBasic, hence this project. Naturally, other people my be in a different boat from us and this project may be useless to them. However, maybe it will benefit somebody else, so here it is. Horses for Courses, as the saying goes. Dan ** It won't be used by programmers but would by QC/QA types to check and see if the code is being used or is just a bunch of fluff. One good example would be if your company is using outsourcing to do your programming and the outsource is getting paid on the amount of code they produce, instead of the correct way of getting paid on the quality of their code. You can check to see if all paths through the code are being used or not. Jerry Banker -Original Message- From: u2-users-bounces at listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users [mailto:u2-users-bounces at listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users] On Behalf Of Doug Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 10:47 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Code Coverage Project Dan, Although I missed code coverage in programming school, I'm not sure how much UniBasic programmers would or could use code coverage. That being said, why not take an existing program that is fully developed and change the syntax to handle basic syntax. This way you do not have to develop the entire infastracture to run this tool. My suggestion is there are several open source plug-in for Eclipse that can be modified to handle code coverage. There are several examples like jcoverage or gcov that could be used for this type of project. Regards, Dougwww.u2logic.com Native U2 drivers for PHP -Original Message- From: u2-users-bounces at listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Code Coverage Project
Hi Tony, If you are unfamiliar with Code Coverage, this may help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_coverage Does this identify where variables are used? No Variables that aren't used? No, not directly. Although, you may find some as a result of below When they are changed? No Why they mean? No? How data moves from one program to another? No When statements are executed? Yes. This is the purpose of Statement level code coverage. Essentially, it is like the profiling option UniData provides, but at a statement level, not at a called subroutine level. What statements cannot be executed? If you replace 'cannot' with 'have not', then yes. I hope it makes more sense now, Dan I've read your blog notes and anything else I can find but I have no idea what this does. Could you please define the term coverage in this context? Does this identify where variables are used? Variables that aren't used? When they are changed? Why they mean? How data moves from one program to another? When statements are executed? What statements cannot be executed? I have written many parsers and pseudo compilers and code interpreters - but I'm sorry I just don't understand what this one does. :) Thanks. T * From: Dan McGrath** For those that are interested, I have setup a project ** on SourceForge for a Statement Level Code Coverage ** Tool for UniBasic. It is based on the prototype for a ** similar tool we now use at my current employer.** ** Although this version is incomplete, it still enables ** statement level coverage for multiple ** programs/subroutine with html output. The parser (I ** really shouldn't use that term) is still quite ** primitive in this version and may not work with how ** some programs are coded.* * * ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] Code Coverage Project
Hi all, For those that are interested, I have setup a project on SourceForge for a Statement Level Code Coverage Tool for UniBasic. It is based on the prototype for a similar tool we now use at my current employer. Although this version is incomplete, it still enables statement level coverage for multiple programs/subroutine with html output. The parser (I really shouldn't use that term) is still quite primitive in this version and may not work with how some programs are coded. http://sourceforge.net/projects/ucov/ For a screen shot of the output and a short post about it, visit: http://u2tech.wordpress.com/ Regards, Dan ### The information transmitted in this message and attachments (if any) is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed. The message may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. The intended recipient of this e-mail may only use, reproduce, disclose or distribute the information contained in this e-mail and any attached files with the permission of IMB. ### ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Code Coverage Project
Hi - there do not seem to be any files available for download on sourceforge -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dan McGrath Sent: 26 November 2009 21:35 To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Code Coverage Project Hi all, For those that are interested, I have setup a project on SourceForge for a Statement Level Code Coverage Tool for UniBasic. It is based on the prototype for a similar tool we now use at my current employer. Although this version is incomplete, it still enables statement level coverage for multiple programs/subroutine with html output. The parser (I really shouldn't use that term) is still quite primitive in this version and may not work with how some programs are coded. http://sourceforge.net/projects/ucov/ For a screen shot of the output and a short post about it, visit: http://u2tech.wordpress.com/ Regards, Dan ### The information transmitted in this message and attachments (if any) is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed. The message may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. The intended recipient of this e-mail may only use, reproduce, disclose or distribute the information contained in this e-mail and any attached files with the permission of IMB. ### ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Code Coverage Project
Sorry, I should have mentioned: It is only currently available from the SVN repository there. After I finish work for the day(it is just on 9am here) I will upload a zip of the latest files. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Friday, 27 November 2009 8:55 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Code Coverage Project Hi - there do not seem to be any files available for download on sourceforge -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dan McGrath Sent: 26 November 2009 21:35 To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Code Coverage Project Hi all, For those that are interested, I have setup a project on SourceForge for a Statement Level Code Coverage Tool for UniBasic. It is based on the prototype for a similar tool we now use at my current employer. Although this version is incomplete, it still enables statement level coverage for multiple programs/subroutine with html output. The parser (I really shouldn't use that term) is still quite primitive in this version and may not work with how some programs are coded. http://sourceforge.net/projects/ucov/ For a screen shot of the output and a short post about it, visit: http://u2tech.wordpress.com/ Regards, Dan ### The information transmitted in this message and attachments (if any) is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed. The message may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. The intended recipient of this e-mail may only use, reproduce, disclose or distribute the information contained in this e-mail and any attached files with the permission of IMB. ### ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ### The information transmitted in this message and attachments (if any) is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed. The message may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. The intended recipient of this e-mail may only use, reproduce, disclose or distribute the information contained in this e-mail and any attached files with the permission of IMB. ### ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
