Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5x packet loss

2018-02-22 Thread Josh Luthman 
Why do you need a loopback test when the capacity graph says the same thing
in real time?

I would definitely start by doing a ping between radios and see if it's the
wireless link versus ethernet/ports/etc.  Last time I saw this, it was
caused by a surge suppressor making the link go down/up super fast (I would
get about 1 packet lost per 5 minutes).


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On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 3:34 PM, Kristian Hoffmann 
wrote:

> I wish these had a loopback test, because that would be an easy way to
> find out.  The wireless capacity during the events is a nice straight line,
> so there's no indication that it's a wireless problem, but that doesn't
> rule it out either.
>
> I'll run some tests pinging the radio itself at the same time, and see if
> there's loss to the radio as well.
>
> Generally, OSPF is running over these links, but I've disabled the OSPF
> instance and have the same results.
>
> -Kristian
>
> On Thu, 2018-02-22 at 08:18 -0500, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Definitely through the wireless link?  Not including the Ethernet?
>
> Josh Luthman
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> On Feb 22, 2018 3:19 AM, "Blair Davis"  wrote:
>
> What routing protocols are you using across those links?
>
> --
>
>
> On 2/22/2018 1:54 AM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > This is going to sound crazy, but here we go...
> >
> > Has anyone seen packet loss across an AF5x link that occurred exactly
> > every 30 seconds?  I have a couple of links, on completely different
> > towers, that drop packets every 30 seconds.  I can observe it using the
> > MikroTik traffic generator, or a fast ping (size=1500 interval=.05).
> > Even though they do it on a 30 second interval, it's not at the same
> > time (intervals are not synchronized).  They're not bridged together in
> > any way, and even do it with no customer traffic on them whatsoever.
> >
> > I've tried with and without flow control, every wireless setting,
> > with/without management vlan, firmware 4.0 and 4.0.3, etc.  As they're
> > connected to RB3011's, I even disabled the MikroTik LCD, as apparently
> > that's a thing.  It's a shot in the dark, but... anyone?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -Kristian
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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5x packet loss

2018-02-22 Thread Colin Stanners (lists) 
What firmware do you have on the RB3011s?  The factory firmware (6.34?) had 
packet loss issues that was fixed around 6.36.4.

 

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 2:34 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5x packet loss

 

I wish these had a loopback test, because that would be an easy way to find 
out.  The wireless capacity during the events is a nice straight line, so 
there's no indication that it's a wireless problem, but that doesn't rule it 
out either.

 

I'll run some tests pinging the radio itself at the same time, and see if 
there's loss to the radio as well.

 

Generally, OSPF is running over these links, but I've disabled the OSPF 
instance and have the same results.

 

-Kristian

 

On Thu, 2018-02-22 at 08:18 -0500, Josh Luthman wrote:

Definitely through the wireless link?  Not including the Ethernet?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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On Feb 22, 2018 3:19 AM, "Blair Davis"  > wrote:



What routing protocols are you using across those links?

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On 2/22/2018 1:54 AM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:
> Hi,
>
> This is going to sound crazy, but here we go...
>
> Has anyone seen packet loss across an AF5x link that occurred exactly
> every 30 seconds?  I have a couple of links, on completely different
> towers, that drop packets every 30 seconds.  I can observe it using the
> MikroTik traffic generator, or a fast ping (size=1500 interval=.05).
> Even though they do it on a 30 second interval, it's not at the same
> time (intervals are not synchronized).  They're not bridged together in
> any way, and even do it with no customer traffic on them whatsoever.
>
> I've tried with and without flow control, every wireless setting,
> with/without management vlan, firmware 4.0 and 4.0.3, etc.  As they're
> connected to RB3011's, I even disabled the MikroTik LCD, as apparently
> that's a thing.  It's a shot in the dark, but... anyone?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Kristian
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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5x packet loss

2018-02-22 Thread Kristian Hoffmann 
I wish these had a loopback test, because that would be an easy way to
find out.  The wireless capacity during the events is a nice straight
line, so there's no indication that it's a wireless problem, but that
doesn't rule it out either.
I'll run some tests pinging the radio itself at the same time, and see
if there's loss to the radio as well.
Generally, OSPF is running over these links, but I've disabled the OSPF
instance and have the same results.
-Kristian
On Thu, 2018-02-22 at 08:18 -0500, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Definitely through the wireless link?  Not including the Ethernet?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Feb 22, 2018 3:19 AM, "Blair Davis"  wrote:
> > What routing protocols are you using across those links?
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > 
> > On 2/22/2018 1:54 AM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > This is going to sound crazy, but here we go...
> > >
> > > Has anyone seen packet loss across an AF5x link that occurred
> > exactly
> > > every 30 seconds?  I have a couple of links, on completely
> > different
> > > towers, that drop packets every 30 seconds.  I can observe it
> > using the
> > > MikroTik traffic generator, or a fast ping (size=1500
> > interval=.05).
> > > Even though they do it on a 30 second interval, it's not at the
> > same
> > > time (intervals are not synchronized).  They're not bridged
> > together in
> > > any way, and even do it with no customer traffic on them
> > whatsoever.
> > >
> > > I've tried with and without flow control, every wireless setting,
> > > with/without management vlan, firmware 4.0 and 4.0.3, etc.  As
> > they're
> > > connected to RB3011's, I even disabled the MikroTik LCD, as
> > apparently
> > > that's a thing.  It's a shot in the dark, but... anyone?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > -Kristian
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Re: [Ubnt_users] MTU

2018-02-22 Thread David Jones 
If it is a flow control problem you will likely see low download and high
upload (from the clients perspective). We had a few rockets and rocket AC's
that would have great upload for the customer but crap download. What we
had to do for this is have the netonix and the MT and the rockets have flow
control. To not affect backhaus and other things we separated it out on the
MT.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 8:06 AM, RickG  wrote:

> Ya, I was talking about flow control. Sorry to mix the conversation but
> arent they related?
>
> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 10:52 PM, Chris J. Ruschmann 
> wrote:
>
>> Disabling pause frames is a switch wide setting under configuration.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org]
>> *On Behalf Of *RickG
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2018 6:29 PM
>>
>> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] MTU
>>
>>
>>
>> I've heard that too! Would love a conscientious here :)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 10:17 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>> I thought it was the entire collision domain?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 20, 2018 10:17 PM, "RickG"  wrote:
>>
>> Wait...on the switch (1 or all ports?) or on the Airfiber itself? I turn
>> it off only the Airfiber = no more errors. So far, I haven't determined the
>> need for flow control on my switches yet. (Which is why I'm asking ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 12:55 PM, Chris J. Ruschmann 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Switches that have air fibers attached to them….
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org]
>> *On Behalf Of *Jon Langeler
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 19, 2018 7:35 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] MTU
>>
>>
>>
>> Are you disabling pause everywhere? Or just Airfiber?
>>
>> Jon Langeler
>>
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 19, 2018, at 9:01 PM, Chris J. Ruschmann 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Have you tried disabling Pause Frames on the Netonix switch? We’ve had an
>> issues with Airfibers and that feature on a few sites.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Steve Barnes
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 19, 2018 10:56 AM
>> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] MTU
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah everything is on AIRcontrol.  Just can figure it out.
>>
>>
>>
>> At peak times I can run TCP Btest from PC through CPE to Router on Local
>> tower2 and get 45-50 Meg.  (10Mhz channel)
>>
>>
>>
>> Btest from Router Tower2 to Router tower1 and get 200Meg.  (AF5x link
>> 250M capacity Only 50-100M used).
>>
>>
>> Tower 1 Connected to GB fiber and can get 700Meg to Dist router at Core
>> due to traffic.
>>
>>
>>
>> But from PC through all to Dist router I can only get 8 Mbps at night.
>> During the morning when traffic is low I can get 45Mbps.  So has to be
>> buffer, retry, MTU, cpu, etc. but I cant pin point it.  Ping times stay
>> pretty stable. AMQ and AMC really good on this AP, 90%+.
>>
>>
>>
>> Giving some serious thought to Preseem.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Steve Barnes*
>>
>> Wireless Operations Manager
>>
>> *New Lisbon Broadband*
>>
>> *NLBC.COM *
>>
>> *PCSWIN.COM *
>>
>> 765-584-2288 ext:1101 <(765)%20584-2288>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Chris J. Ruschmann
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 19, 2018 1:34 PM
>> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] MTU
>>
>>
>>
>> Are you running air control or anything else that can aggregate the
>> performance of your site in some nice easy to read graphs?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Steve Barnes
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 19, 2018 7:38 AM
>> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group 
>> *Subject:* [Ubnt_users] MTU
>>
>>
>>
>> I am trying to get every last drop out of our internet.  Most towers have
>> a MikroTik Routing, Netonix doing POE and Switching, Fed by AF5x, and
>> Rockets or Prism for AP’s.  Sometimes seeing some slow downs I cant account
>> for.  Wondering if MTU or Flow control needs adjusted.
>>
>>
>>
>> The MTU settings are as follows:
>>
>> MikroTik MTU: 1500  L2 MTU: 1598 Flow Disabled
>>
>> Netonix MTU: 1528   Both
>>
>> AF5x Up to 9600 Auto  Flow Disabled
>>
>> Rocket MTU: 1500 Flow Disabled
>>
>> Prism

Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5x packet loss

2018-02-22 Thread Scott Piehn 
We had a similar issue with an AF24 link.  In adition to the packet loss, one 
end has a netonix on it that showed errors.  After replacing everything on the 
side with the netonix, we found replacing the POE (did not have netonix on that 
side) on the far side fixed the problem

-
Scott M Piehn


From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 7:18 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5x packet loss

Definitely through the wireless link?  Not including the Ethernet?


Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 22, 2018 3:19 AM, "Blair Davis"  wrote:

  What routing protocols are you using across those links?

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  On 2/22/2018 1:54 AM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:
  > Hi,
  >
  > This is going to sound crazy, but here we go...
  >
  > Has anyone seen packet loss across an AF5x link that occurred exactly
  > every 30 seconds?  I have a couple of links, on completely different
  > towers, that drop packets every 30 seconds.  I can observe it using the
  > MikroTik traffic generator, or a fast ping (size=1500 interval=.05).
  > Even though they do it on a 30 second interval, it's not at the same
  > time (intervals are not synchronized).  They're not bridged together in
  > any way, and even do it with no customer traffic on them whatsoever.
  >
  > I've tried with and without flow control, every wireless setting,
  > with/without management vlan, firmware 4.0 and 4.0.3, etc.  As they're
  > connected to RB3011's, I even disabled the MikroTik LCD, as apparently
  > that's a thing.  It's a shot in the dark, but... anyone?
  >
  > Thanks,
  >
  > -Kristian
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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5x packet loss

2018-02-22 Thread Josh Luthman 
Definitely through the wireless link?  Not including the Ethernet?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 22, 2018 3:19 AM, "Blair Davis"  wrote:

> What routing protocols are you using across those links?
>
> --
>
>
> On 2/22/2018 1:54 AM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > This is going to sound crazy, but here we go...
> >
> > Has anyone seen packet loss across an AF5x link that occurred exactly
> > every 30 seconds?  I have a couple of links, on completely different
> > towers, that drop packets every 30 seconds.  I can observe it using the
> > MikroTik traffic generator, or a fast ping (size=1500 interval=.05).
> > Even though they do it on a 30 second interval, it's not at the same
> > time (intervals are not synchronized).  They're not bridged together in
> > any way, and even do it with no customer traffic on them whatsoever.
> >
> > I've tried with and without flow control, every wireless setting,
> > with/without management vlan, firmware 4.0 and 4.0.3, etc.  As they're
> > connected to RB3011's, I even disabled the MikroTik LCD, as apparently
> > that's a thing.  It's a shot in the dark, but... anyone?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -Kristian
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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5x packet loss

2018-02-22 Thread Blair Davis 
What routing protocols are you using across those links?

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On 2/22/2018 1:54 AM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:
> Hi,
>
> This is going to sound crazy, but here we go...
>
> Has anyone seen packet loss across an AF5x link that occurred exactly
> every 30 seconds?  I have a couple of links, on completely different
> towers, that drop packets every 30 seconds.  I can observe it using the
> MikroTik traffic generator, or a fast ping (size=1500 interval=.05).
> Even though they do it on a 30 second interval, it's not at the same
> time (intervals are not synchronized).  They're not bridged together in
> any way, and even do it with no customer traffic on them whatsoever.
>
> I've tried with and without flow control, every wireless setting,
> with/without management vlan, firmware 4.0 and 4.0.3, etc.  As they're
> connected to RB3011's, I even disabled the MikroTik LCD, as apparently
> that's a thing.  It's a shot in the dark, but... anyone?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Kristian
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