subject:"\[Ubnt_users\] New airControl"

mFi was optionally cloud based... until they pulled the plug on the cloud 
option after being in service a few months. 

Why anyone would consider a Ubiquiti cloud option again is beyond me. Who's to 
say it will still be around in six months to a year time? 

It's like someone buying Trango's new PtMP gear... they once pulled the plug on 
their PtMP offering... why would you go back? 

If it's the same guys as did the UWN backend (I assume it isn't, just making a 
point here), you'll be able to put in a maximum of 50 customers. That should be 
good enough. When you complain and bring someone to the table to address the 
issue of a 50 customer limit, they'll politely decline saying it isn't 
necessary. You put in 75 customers and it crashes everyone's billing\monitoring 
systems. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org 
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 7:34:11 AM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 



I want to first go on record as saying I to dislike the idea of a cloud based 
management tool. 

However, I also remember all of us bitching about AC being a Java app and not 
having a web UI for our phones and other devices. When Ben Moore said that we 
would not have to worry about that in the next version I kind of thought about 
a hosted solution, but thought “Oh surly not”. 

Another point that I want to make is that US WISPs are not their largest 
market. I am sure that it is a large market for them but not the largest. I 
expect they are trying to be uniform across all their platforms worldwide. I 
assume we will see Unifi and Mfi eventually go ALL Cloud based. Everything from 
AP, CPE, Router, WiFi, Lights, Phones, Cameras, and even thermostat controlled 
from the cloud. 

The hacking possibility of all this is huge. But everything I see is moving 
this way. The local school Corp in our area just released 2 techs and converted 
ever thing they could to virtual off-site with remote monitoring and control of 
all equipment from WiFi Aps and Net Switches to Servers and workstations. The 
IT Manager says he loves the reduced work load but sees now he has handed the 
keys to someone else and has a lot less control. All he does now is move wires 
and swap equipment. 

All the NEST products, personal IP Security Cameras all are already in the 
cloud. The general techy populous are starting to except it. I think lots of 
WISPs will be less likely since they feel less in control of their networks and 
we are all about control. But I don’t think we are going to stop this trend. 


Steven Barnes 
GM 
PCSWIN.com 
Howard LLC. 



From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 10:37 PM 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 


Well right. That's why I said few and not none. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 




- Original Message -


From: Josh Reynolds  j...@spitwspots.com  
To: ubnt users  ubnt_users@wispa.org  
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 9:36:33 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 

It was in alpha for 7-8 months before it hit the public beta today. josh 
reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com 
On 12/01/2014 06:25 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



It was announced today, so few are familiar. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 


- Original Message -


From: Robert Andrews nos...@avantwireless.com 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org 
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 9:22:29 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 

Ok, but when the device contacts the cloud why can't the cloud at that point 
start the update? I'm not really familiar with the product but what is the 
frequency of the cloud to ground discharge ( or the other way around )... 



On 12/1/14 7:10 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: 
blockquote


The cloud doesn't contact the devices, the devices initiate connection to the 
cloud. 

(to be fair) josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: 
www.spitwspots.com 
On 12/01/2014 06:08 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: 
blockquote
Kinda hard to point to a bunch of wavy hand WISPs about the size of your 
management adoption for the investors, but nuts dead simple if they are on your 
cloud system...   And if the FCC changes the rules   Guess what can be 
forced to update for compliance with or without your say so... Hm On 
12/1/14 4:45 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: 
blockquote
On 12/1/14, 16:44, Kees H wrote: 
blockquote
Why would I waste public ips on my radios, so ubnt can have control of my 
radios?  Don't they know ARIN is running out of IPv4 addresses? 

But it's CLOUD. ~Seth ___ 
Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org 
http

Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

2014-12-02 Thread Kees H

But I don’t think we are going to stop this trend.

Steve, you know the saying The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is 
that good men should do nothing.  


And Follow the money trail  We know UBNT is not in the business to give 
things away.  Hence if they can't make money of this cloud based app, it will 
soon go the way of the dodo.

”




From: Steve Barnes 
  To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 5:34 AM
  Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl


  I want to first go on record as saying I to dislike the idea of a cloud based 
management tool. 

   

  However, I also remember all of us bitching about AC being a Java app and not 
having a web UI for our phones and other devices.  When Ben Moore said that we 
would not have to worry about that in the next version I kind of thought about 
a hosted solution, but thought “Oh surly not”.

   

  Another point that I want to make is that US WISPs are not their largest 
market.  I am sure that it is a large market for them but not the largest.  I 
expect they are trying to be uniform across all their platforms worldwide.  I 
assume we will see Unifi and Mfi eventually go ALL Cloud based. Everything from 
AP, CPE, Router, WiFi, Lights, Phones, Cameras, and even thermostat controlled 
from the cloud. 

   

  The hacking possibility of all this is huge.  But everything I see is moving 
this way.  The local school Corp in our area just released 2 techs and 
converted ever thing they could to virtual off-site with remote monitoring and 
control of all equipment from WiFi Aps and Net Switches to Servers and 
workstations.  The IT Manager says he loves the reduced work load but sees now 
he has handed the keys to someone else and has a lot less control.  All he does 
now is move wires and swap equipment. 

   

  All the NEST products, personal IP Security Cameras all are already in the 
cloud. The general techy populous are starting to except it.  I think lots of 
WISPs will be less likely since they feel less in control of their networks and 
we are all about control. But I don’t think we are going to stop this trend.

   

  Steven Barnes

  GM

  PCSWIN.com

  Howard LLC.

   

  From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
  Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 10:37 PM
  To: Ubiquiti Users Group
  Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

   

  Well right. That's why I said few and not none.



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com






--

  From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
  To: ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org
  Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 9:36:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

  It was in alpha for 7-8 months before it hit the public beta today.

josh reynolds :: chief information officerspitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comOn 
12/01/2014 06:25 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

It was announced today, so few are familiar.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com






From: Robert Andrews nos...@avantwireless.com
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 9:22:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

Ok, but when the device contacts the cloud why can't the cloud at that 
point start the update?   I'm not really familiar with the product but what is 
the frequency of the cloud to ground discharge ( or the other way around )...



On 12/1/14 7:10 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

  The cloud doesn't contact the devices, the devices initiate connection to 
the cloud.

  (to be fair)

josh reynolds :: chief information officerspitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comOn 
12/01/2014 06:08 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:

Kinda hard to point to a bunch of wavy hand WISPs about the size of your 
management adoption for the investors, but nuts dead simple if they are on your 
cloud system...   And if the FCC changes the rules   Guess what can be 
forced to update for compliance with or without your say so... Hm  On 
12/1/14 4:45 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:On 12/1/14, 16:44, Kees H wrote:Why would 
I waste public ips on my radios, so ubnt can have control of myradios?  Don't 
they know ARIN is running out of IPv4 addresses?But it's CLOUD. 
~Seth___Ubnt_users mailing 
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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

It'll probably be free like their other software, it's to sell their
hardware.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 2, 2014 9:35 AM, Kees H wi...@calbroadband.com wrote:

  But I don’t think we are going to stop this trend.

 Steve, you know the saying The only thing necessary for the triumph of
 evil is that good men should do nothing.


 And Follow the money trail  We know UBNT is not in the business to give
 things away.  Hence if they can't make money of this cloud based app, it
 will soon go the way of the dodo.

 ”




 *From:* Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com

 *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
 *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 5:34 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

  I want to first go on record as saying I to dislike the idea of a cloud
 based management tool.



 However, I also remember all of us bitching about AC being a Java app and
 not having a web UI for our phones and other devices.  When Ben Moore said
 that we would not have to worry about that in the next version I kind of
 thought about a hosted solution, but thought “Oh surly not”.



 Another point that I want to make is that US WISPs are not their largest
 market.  I am sure that it is a large market for them but not the largest.
 I expect they are trying to be uniform across all their platforms
 worldwide.  I assume we will see Unifi and Mfi eventually go ALL Cloud
 based. Everything from AP, CPE, Router, WiFi, Lights, Phones, Cameras, and
 even thermostat controlled from the cloud.



 The hacking possibility of all this is huge.  But everything I see is
 moving this way.  The local school Corp in our area just released 2 techs
 and converted ever thing they could to virtual off-site with remote
 monitoring and control of all equipment from WiFi Aps and Net Switches to
 Servers and workstations.  The IT Manager says he loves the reduced work
 load but sees now he has handed the keys to someone else and has a lot less
 control.  All he does now is move wires and swap equipment.



 All the NEST products, personal IP Security Cameras all are already in the
 cloud. The general techy populous are starting to except it.  I think lots
 of WISPs will be less likely since they feel less in control of their
 networks and we are all about control. But I don’t think we are going to
 stop this trend.



 *Steven Barnes*

 GM

 PCSWIN.com

 Howard LLC.



 *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
 *Sent:* Monday, December 01, 2014 10:37 PM
 *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
 *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl



 Well right. That's why I said few and not none.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

  --

 *From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
 *To: *ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Monday, December 1, 2014 9:36:33 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

 It was in alpha for 7-8 months before it hit the public beta today.

 josh reynolds :: chief information officer

 spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

 On 12/01/2014 06:25 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  It was announced today, so few are familiar.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL
  --

 *From: *Robert Andrews nos...@avantwireless.com
 nos...@avantwireless.com
 *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org ubnt_users@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Monday, December 1, 2014 9:22:29 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

 Ok, but when the device contacts the cloud why can't the cloud at that
 point start the update?   I'm not really familiar with the product but what
 is the frequency of the cloud to ground discharge ( or the other way around
 )...

  On 12/1/14 7:10 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

  The cloud doesn't contact the devices, the devices initiate connection
 to the cloud.

 (to be fair)

 josh reynolds :: chief information officer

 spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

 On 12/01/2014 06:08 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:

 Kinda hard to point to a bunch of wavy hand WISPs about the size of your

 management adoption for the investors, but nuts dead simple if they are

 on your cloud system...   And if the FCC changes the rules   Guess

 what can be forced to update for compliance with or without your say so...



 Hm





 On 12/1/14 4:45 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

 On 12/1/14, 16:44, Kees H wrote:

 Why would I waste public ips on my radios, so ubnt can have control of my

 radios?  Don't they know ARIN

Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

There's just no way it will have all those features.  Not in 5 years.  Not
in 10.  They can't get the basic stuff done...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 2, 2014 9:41 AM, Daniel Peoples dpe...@gmail.com wrote:

 Or it will be free upto 100 billing clients, with rates starting there.
 Admit it, if they would do your billing for .50/cx from 100-500 you would
 probably do it if it could do everything else that
 powercode/azotel/swiftfox could.

 *Daniel Peoples*
 Resonance Broadband
 *Resonancebroadband.com* http://Resonancebroadband.com
 918-429-3620


 On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 8:37 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

 It'll probably be free like their other software, it's to sell their
 hardware.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Dec 2, 2014 9:35 AM, Kees H wi...@calbroadband.com wrote:

  But I don’t think we are going to stop this trend.

 Steve, you know the saying The only thing necessary for the triumph of
 evil is that good men should do nothing.


 And Follow the money trail  We know UBNT is not in the business to
 give things away.  Hence if they can't make money of this cloud based app,
 it will soon go the way of the dodo.

 ”




 *From:* Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com

 *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
 *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 5:34 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

  I want to first go on record as saying I to dislike the idea of a
 cloud based management tool.



 However, I also remember all of us bitching about AC being a Java app
 and not having a web UI for our phones and other devices.  When Ben Moore
 said that we would not have to worry about that in the next version I kind
 of thought about a hosted solution, but thought “Oh surly not”.



 Another point that I want to make is that US WISPs are not their largest
 market.  I am sure that it is a large market for them but not the largest.
 I expect they are trying to be uniform across all their platforms
 worldwide.  I assume we will see Unifi and Mfi eventually go ALL Cloud
 based. Everything from AP, CPE, Router, WiFi, Lights, Phones, Cameras, and
 even thermostat controlled from the cloud.



 The hacking possibility of all this is huge.  But everything I see is
 moving this way.  The local school Corp in our area just released 2 techs
 and converted ever thing they could to virtual off-site with remote
 monitoring and control of all equipment from WiFi Aps and Net Switches to
 Servers and workstations.  The IT Manager says he loves the reduced work
 load but sees now he has handed the keys to someone else and has a lot less
 control.  All he does now is move wires and swap equipment.



 All the NEST products, personal IP Security Cameras all are already in
 the cloud. The general techy populous are starting to except it.  I think
 lots of WISPs will be less likely since they feel less in control of their
 networks and we are all about control. But I don’t think we are going to
 stop this trend.



 *Steven Barnes*

 GM

 PCSWIN.com

 Howard LLC.



 *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:
 ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
 *Sent:* Monday, December 01, 2014 10:37 PM
 *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
 *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl



 Well right. That's why I said few and not none.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

  --

 *From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
 *To: *ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Monday, December 1, 2014 9:36:33 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

 It was in alpha for 7-8 months before it hit the public beta today.

 josh reynolds :: chief information officer

 spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

 On 12/01/2014 06:25 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  It was announced today, so few are familiar.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL
  --

 *From: *Robert Andrews nos...@avantwireless.com
 nos...@avantwireless.com
 *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
 ubnt_users@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Monday, December 1, 2014 9:22:29 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

 Ok, but when the device contacts the cloud why can't the cloud at that
 point start the update?   I'm not really familiar with the product but what
 is the frequency of the cloud to ground discharge ( or the other way around
 )...

  On 12/1/14 7:10 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

  The cloud

Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

2014-12-02 Thread Seth Mattinen

On 12/2/14, 5:34 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:
 However, I also remember all of us bitching about AC being a Java app
 and not having a web UI for our phones and other devices.  When Ben
 Moore said that we would not have to worry about that in the next
 version I kind of thought about a hosted solution, but thought “Oh surly
 not”.



That's why I still use AC1. But that's the problem. I look at the UniFi 
controller and wonder why did AC1 get abandoned? How hard can it really 
be to fix the few things that are wrong with AC1?

~Seth
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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

2014-12-02 Thread Justin Wilson

Thank you UBNT for treating your customers like they are just a bunch of
hobbyists. There are many of us trying to run a business and having the
proper tools to do that is essential.   For several years we have been
told that Air Control is being active developed, we have programmers
working on it, etc.

I have ran a small WISP (1800+ UBNT devices) and if it wasn¹t for the few
piece of AC that worked it would have been a nightmare upgrading firmware,
and checking on the worst performing clients.  Sure, we could have spent
countless hours on writing scripts, integrating with 3rd party tools, but
I shouldn¹t have to.  If you give me a tool, make it work at one point.  I
can get that Beta software is, just that, Beta Software.  Has anyone at
UBNT actually tried to manage 2000 devices? Upgrading firmware, making
changes, monitoring, etc.

It¹s insulting that we spend good money.  At one point, we were spending
20-30k a month buying UBNT products.  I realize margins are thin,
marketing, overhead, blah blah blah.  But, if my folks spent less time
monkeying with firmware upgrades and the like they could put on more
customers.  More customers means more revenue for UBNT.  Not to mention
the fact that I am sure there are operators out there who would PAY for a
working AC.  Why? Because it saves them labor! Saving labor means saving
money!  That¹s a benefit.  There are reasons products like Observium and
Nagios which have paid and free Versions.  I would pay money if it meant I
had less hassle.  

Cloud based for a network monitoring solution? Really? This is such a bad
idea. How many years will this product be in Alpha or Beta?  I installed
the CMS from Cambium and guess what? It worked? Because it worked my
client is now sold on Cambium.  They see that its an integrated solution.
Market toward the bean counters AND the geeks. Not just throw it out there.

I know that¹s more than my .02 but dang.  You missed the boat UBNT.

Justin


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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

or take UniFi's config change\firmware update mechanisms and apply that to the 
fixed line? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us 
To: ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org 
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 8:56:35 AM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 

On 12/2/14, 5:34 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: 
 However, I also remember all of us bitching about AC being a Java app 
 and not having a web UI for our phones and other devices. When Ben 
 Moore said that we would not have to worry about that in the next 
 version I kind of thought about a hosted solution, but thought “Oh surly 
 not”. 
 


That's why I still use AC1. But that's the problem. I look at the UniFi 
controller and wonder why did AC1 get abandoned? How hard can it really 
be to fix the few things that are wrong with AC1? 

~Seth 
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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

Hah, well, true, but it'd be a first step... 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com 
To: ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org 
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:28:51 AM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 


I'd prefer not to have to reboot my devices to simply change an IP... 
josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/02/2014 07:26 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



or take UniFi's config change\firmware update mechanisms and apply that to the 
fixed line? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us 
To: ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org 
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 8:56:35 AM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 

On 12/2/14, 5:34 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: 
 However, I also remember all of us bitching about AC being a Java app 
 and not having a web UI for our phones and other devices. When Ben 
 Moore said that we would not have to worry about that in the next 
 version I kind of thought about a hosted solution, but thought “Oh surly 
 not”. 
 


That's why I still use AC1. But that's the problem. I look at the UniFi 
controller and wonder why did AC1 get abandoned? How hard can it really 
be to fix the few things that are wrong with AC1? 

~Seth 
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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

ROFL!!!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
wrote:

 Why not?  I have to stop my car to shift gears

 Oh wait.. no that's my John Deere tractor.

 On 12/2/14, 11:28 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
  I'd prefer not to have to reboot my devices to simply change an IP...
 
  josh reynolds :: chief information officer
  spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
 
  On 12/02/2014 07:26 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
  or take UniFi's config change\firmware update mechanisms and apply
  that to the fixed line?
 
 
 
  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com
 
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  *To: *ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org
  *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 8:56:35 AM
  *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
 
  On 12/2/14, 5:34 AM, Steve Barnes wrote:
   However, I also remember all of us bitching about AC being a Java app
   and not having a web UI for our phones and other devices.  When Ben
   Moore said that we would not have to worry about that in the next
   version I kind of thought about a hosted solution, but thought “Oh
 surly
   not”.
  
 
 
  That's why I still use AC1. But that's the problem. I look at the UniFi
  controller and wonder why did AC1 get abandoned? How hard can it really
  be to fix the few things that are wrong with AC1?
 
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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

2014-12-02 Thread Scott Alerding

Just to clarify, Azotel SIMPLer's WIB unit does not have to sit inline on your 
network, although it can, it is not required to in every network. Azotel 
SIMPLer will integrate with a RADIUS system just fine, and then use the NAS's 
on your network to do the work according to the attributes from the RADIUS 
server. We are seeing many more networks being deployed this way for better 
scalability. But, for monitoring and provisioning support from Azotel SIMPLer, 
we would need to put the unit in the network somewhere (not inline) and it 
would securely connect to the SIMPLer server, whether onsite in your data 
center or in the cloud to report alerts or provisioning information. 

Scott Alerding 
317-853-4913 

- Original Message -

From: Daniel Peoples dpe...@gmail.com 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org 
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 11:42:38 AM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 

Depending on the direction that the tool takes, it could be gold or a great big 
poo stain. 

If it is a free to use tool like ac1 or ac2, it will have that initial spert of 
awesome that will taper to nothing in a year or two. It will eventually be 
stuck by the wayside, as there just isn't enough margin in a $100 radio to 
support a tool like this. 
Can Cambium or anyone else like them do this better? Sure, but they have ap's 
that cost 10 times as much, and SM's that cost 4 to 5 times as much so they can 
support these tools. 

If it is a paid(MRC) billing platform, it will more than likely mature into 
something that is MUCH better than ac 1 or 2 , and something that actually on 
the billing side approaches a real billing software and CPE management system. 

All of this said, I run AC1 for management and swiftfox for billing, the two 
programs both do exactly what I want from them, and that is ALL I want them to 
do. If ubnt makes a product that does both functions and is around the same 
price or even higher per cpe, then hoo rah, saves me complexity in billing and 
management. 

As for the cloud side of this, yes it will always have more vulnerabilities 
than my ac1 server that doesn't even know where the internet is, but you have 
to put your billing system on the internet so that it can process a CC, and 
don't forget that your azotel or your powercode bmu sets IN the data stream. 
DDOS the box and your entire internet connection dies, because they have you to 
route the information through the hardware. 
BUT at the same time, my new installer doesn't even know that ac1 exists passed 
me showing him stat graphs, and he couldn't possibly hope to learn how you tie 
all of that stuff together to make the solid picture that I do when I look at 
all of the stuff together. 


I honestly don't see what all the nay saying is about. If they do it right, it 
will be a properly good tool, if they don't do it right, the adoption numbers 
will tell them that they did wrong. 

Daniel Peoples 
Resonance Broadband 
Resonancebroadband.com 
918-429-36 20 


On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Justin Wilson  li...@mtin.net  wrote: 


Thank you UBNT for treating your customers like they are just a bunch of 
hobbyists. There are many of us trying to run a business and having the 
proper tools to do that is essential. For several years we have been 
told that Air Control is being active developed, we have programmers 
working on it, etc. 

I have ran a small WISP (1800+ UBNT devices) and if it wasn¹t for the few 
piece of AC that worked it would have been a nightmare upgrading firmware, 
and checking on the worst performing clients. Sure, we could have spent 
countless hours on writing scripts, integrating with 3rd party tools, but 
I shouldn¹t have to. If you give me a tool, make it work at one point. I 
can get that Beta software is, just that, Beta Software. Has anyone at 
UBNT actually tried to manage 2000 devices? Upgrading firmware, making 
changes, monitoring, etc. 

It¹s insulting that we spend good money. At one point, we were spending 
20-30k a month buying UBNT products. I realize margins are thin, 
marketing, overhead, blah blah blah. But, if my folks spent less time 
monkeying with firmware upgrades and the like they could put on more 
customers. More customers means more revenue for UBNT. Not to mention 
the fact that I am sure there are operators out there who would PAY for a 
working AC. Why? Because it saves them labor! Saving labor means saving 
money! That¹s a benefit. There are reasons products like Observium and 
Nagios which have paid and free Versions. I would pay money if it meant I 
had less hassle. 

Cloud based for a network monitoring solution? Really? This is such a bad 
idea. How many years will this product be in Alpha or Beta? I installed 
the CMS from Cambium and guess what? It worked? Because it worked my 
client is now sold on Cambium. They see that its an integrated solution. 
Market toward the bean counters AND the geeks. Not just throw it out there. 

I know that¹s more than my

Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

2014-12-02 Thread Seth Mattinen

On 12/2/14, 8:52, Daniel Peoples wrote:
 Yes, but we both know that the epmp doesn't support this, the 450 does.


Are you referring to CNS Server?

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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

You've completely lost me. 




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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: Daniel Peoples dpe...@gmail.com 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org 
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:57:46 AM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 



The revenue of the epmp line doesn't support much. 

And actually, how much DOES cambium make off those things? 





Daniel Peoples 
Resonance Broadband 

Resonancebroadband.com 
918-429-36 20 



On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Mike Hammett  wispaubntus...@ics-il.net  
wrote: 




ePMP doesn't support what? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: Daniel Peoples  dpe...@gmail.com  
To: Ubiquiti Users Group  ubnt_users@wispa.org  
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:52:00 AM 


Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 


Yes, but we both know that the epmp doesn't support this, the 450 does. 





Daniel Peoples 
Resonance Broadband 

Resonancebroadband.com 
918-429-36 20 



On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Mike Hammett  wispaubntus...@ics-il.net  
wrote: 

blockquote


Cambium has CPE at $120 and APs at $500. Completely plausible to move over. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: Daniel Peoples  dpe...@gmail.com  
To: Ubiquiti Users Group  ubnt_users@wispa.org  
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:42:38 AM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 









Depending on the direction that the tool takes, it could be gold or a great big 
poo stain. 

If it is a free to use tool like ac1 or ac2, it will have that initial spert of 
awesome that will taper to nothing in a year or two. It will eventually be 
stuck by the wayside, as there just isn't enough margin in a $100 radio to 
support a tool like this. 
Can Cambium or anyone else like them do this better? Sure, but they have ap's 
that cost 10 times as much, and SM's that cost 4 to 5 times as much so they can 
support these tools. 

If it is a paid(MRC) billing platform, it will more than likely mature into 
something that is MUCH better than ac 1 or 2 , and something that actually on 
the billing side approaches a real billing software and CPE management system. 

All of this said, I run AC1 for management and swiftfox for billing, the two 
programs both do exactly what I want from them, and that is ALL I want them to 
do. If ubnt makes a product that does both functions and is around the same 
price or even higher per cpe, then hoo rah, saves me complexity in billing and 
management. 

As for the cloud side of this, yes it will always have more vulnerabilities 
than my ac1 server that doesn't even know where the internet is, but you have 
to put your billing system on the internet so that it can process a CC, and 
don't forget that your azotel or your powercode bmu sets IN the data stream. 
DDOS the box and your entire internet connection dies, because they have you to 
route the information through the hardware. 

BUT at the same time, my new installer doesn't even know that ac1 exists passed 
me showing him stat graphs, and he couldn't possibly hope to learn how you tie 
all of that stuff together to make the solid picture that I do when I look at 
all of the stuff together. 



I honestly don't see what all the nay saying is about. If they do it right, it 
will be a properly good tool, if they don't do it right, the adoption numbers 
will tell them that they did wrong. 





Daniel Peoples 
Resonance Broadband 

Resonancebroadband.com 
918-429-36 20 



On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Justin Wilson  li...@mtin.net  wrote: 

blockquote
Thank you UBNT for treating your customers like they are just a bunch of 
hobbyists. There are many of us trying to run a business and having the 
proper tools to do that is essential. For several years we have been 
told that Air Control is being active developed, we have programmers 
working on it, etc. 

I have ran a small WISP (1800+ UBNT devices) and if it wasn¹t for the few 
piece of AC that worked it would have been a nightmare upgrading firmware, 
and checking on the worst performing clients. Sure, we could have spent 
countless hours on writing scripts, integrating with 3rd party tools, but 
I shouldn¹t have to. If you give me a tool, make it work at one point. I 
can get that Beta software is, just that, Beta Software. Has anyone at 
UBNT actually tried to manage 2000 devices? Upgrading firmware, making 
changes, monitoring, etc. 

It¹s insulting that we spend good money. At one point, we were spending 
20-30k a month buying UBNT products. I realize margins are thin, 
marketing, overhead, blah blah blah. But, if my folks spent less time 
monkeying with firmware upgrades and the like they could put on more 
customers. More customers means more revenue for UBNT. Not to mention 
the fact that I am sure there are operators out there who would PAY for a 
working AC. Why? Because it saves them

Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

2014-12-02 Thread Daniel Peoples

I was meaning if they did the same thing and got into the
billing/management combination utility.

*Daniel Peoples*
Resonance Broadband
*Resonancebroadband.com* http://Resonancebroadband.com
918-429-3620


On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote:

 On 12/2/14, 8:52, Daniel Peoples wrote:
  Yes, but we both know that the epmp doesn't support this, the 450 does.


 Are you referring to CNS Server?

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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

2014-12-02 Thread RickG

How do you manage radios (upgrades, etc) with Cambium?

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net
wrote:

 Cambium has CPE at $120 and APs at $500. Completely plausible to move over.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

 --
 *From: *Daniel Peoples dpe...@gmail.com
 *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:42:38 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

 Depending on the direction that the tool takes, it could be gold or a
 great big poo stain.

 If it is a free to use tool like ac1 or ac2, it will have that initial
 spert of awesome that will taper to nothing in a year or two. It will
 eventually be stuck by the wayside, as there just isn't enough margin in a
 $100 radio to support a tool like this.
 Can Cambium or anyone else like them do this better? Sure, but they have
 ap's that cost 10 times as much, and SM's that cost 4 to 5 times as much so
 they can support these tools.

 If it is a paid(MRC) billing platform, it will more than likely mature
 into something that is MUCH better than ac 1 or 2 , and something that
 actually on the billing side approaches a real billing software and CPE
 management system.

 All of this said, I run AC1 for management and swiftfox for billing, the
 two programs both do exactly what I want from them, and that is ALL I want
 them to do. If ubnt makes a product that does both functions and is around
 the same price or even higher per cpe, then hoo rah, saves me complexity in
 billing and management.

 As for the cloud side of this, yes it will always have more
 vulnerabilities than my ac1 server that doesn't even know where the
 internet is, but you have to put your billing system on the internet so
 that it can process a CC, and don't forget that your azotel or your
 powercode bmu sets IN the data stream. DDOS the box and your entire
 internet connection dies, because they have you to route the information
 through the hardware.
 BUT at the same time, my new installer doesn't even know that ac1 exists
 passed me showing him stat graphs, and he couldn't possibly hope to learn
 how you tie all of that stuff together to make the solid picture that I do
 when I look at all of the stuff together.


 I honestly don't see what all the nay saying is about. If they do it
 right, it will be a properly good tool, if they don't do it right, the
 adoption numbers will tell them that they did wrong.

 *Daniel Peoples*
 Resonance Broadband
 *Resonancebroadband.com* http://Resonancebroadband.com
 918-429-3620


 On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote:

 Thank you UBNT for treating your customers like they are just a bunch of
 hobbyists. There are many of us trying to run a business and having the
 proper tools to do that is essential.   For several years we have been
 told that Air Control is being active developed, we have programmers
 working on it, etc.

 I have ran a small WISP (1800+ UBNT devices) and if it wasn¹t for the few
 piece of AC that worked it would have been a nightmare upgrading firmware,
 and checking on the worst performing clients.  Sure, we could have spent
 countless hours on writing scripts, integrating with 3rd party tools, but
 I shouldn¹t have to.  If you give me a tool, make it work at one point.  I
 can get that Beta software is, just that, Beta Software.  Has anyone at
 UBNT actually tried to manage 2000 devices? Upgrading firmware, making
 changes, monitoring, etc.

 It¹s insulting that we spend good money.  At one point, we were spending
 20-30k a month buying UBNT products.  I realize margins are thin,
 marketing, overhead, blah blah blah.  But, if my folks spent less time
 monkeying with firmware upgrades and the like they could put on more
 customers.  More customers means more revenue for UBNT.  Not to mention
 the fact that I am sure there are operators out there who would PAY for a
 working AC.  Why? Because it saves them labor! Saving labor means saving
 money!  That¹s a benefit.  There are reasons products like Observium and
 Nagios which have paid and free Versions.  I would pay money if it meant I
 had less hassle.

 Cloud based for a network monitoring solution? Really? This is such a bad
 idea. How many years will this product be in Alpha or Beta?  I installed
 the CMS from Cambium and guess what? It worked? Because it worked my
 client is now sold on Cambium.  They see that its an integrated solution.
 Market toward the bean counters AND the geeks. Not just throw it out
 there.

 I know that¹s more than my .02 but dang.  You missed the boat UBNT.

 Justin


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 http://www.mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog
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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

2014-12-02 Thread Daniel Peoples

http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/management-tools/cns-server

*Daniel Peoples*
Resonance Broadband
*Resonancebroadband.com* http://Resonancebroadband.com
918-429-3620


On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 11:23 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

 How do you manage radios (upgrades, etc) with Cambium?

 On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net
 wrote:

 Cambium has CPE at $120 and APs at $500. Completely plausible to move
 over.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

 --
 *From: *Daniel Peoples dpe...@gmail.com
 *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:42:38 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

 Depending on the direction that the tool takes, it could be gold or a
 great big poo stain.

 If it is a free to use tool like ac1 or ac2, it will have that initial
 spert of awesome that will taper to nothing in a year or two. It will
 eventually be stuck by the wayside, as there just isn't enough margin in a
 $100 radio to support a tool like this.
 Can Cambium or anyone else like them do this better? Sure, but they have
 ap's that cost 10 times as much, and SM's that cost 4 to 5 times as much so
 they can support these tools.

 If it is a paid(MRC) billing platform, it will more than likely mature
 into something that is MUCH better than ac 1 or 2 , and something that
 actually on the billing side approaches a real billing software and CPE
 management system.

 All of this said, I run AC1 for management and swiftfox for billing, the
 two programs both do exactly what I want from them, and that is ALL I want
 them to do. If ubnt makes a product that does both functions and is around
 the same price or even higher per cpe, then hoo rah, saves me complexity in
 billing and management.

 As for the cloud side of this, yes it will always have more
 vulnerabilities than my ac1 server that doesn't even know where the
 internet is, but you have to put your billing system on the internet so
 that it can process a CC, and don't forget that your azotel or your
 powercode bmu sets IN the data stream. DDOS the box and your entire
 internet connection dies, because they have you to route the information
 through the hardware.
 BUT at the same time, my new installer doesn't even know that ac1 exists
 passed me showing him stat graphs, and he couldn't possibly hope to learn
 how you tie all of that stuff together to make the solid picture that I do
 when I look at all of the stuff together.


 I honestly don't see what all the nay saying is about. If they do it
 right, it will be a properly good tool, if they don't do it right, the
 adoption numbers will tell them that they did wrong.

 *Daniel Peoples*
 Resonance Broadband
 *Resonancebroadband.com* http://Resonancebroadband.com
 918-429-3620


 On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote:

 Thank you UBNT for treating your customers like they are just a bunch of
 hobbyists. There are many of us trying to run a business and having the
 proper tools to do that is essential.   For several years we have been
 told that Air Control is being active developed, we have programmers
 working on it, etc.

 I have ran a small WISP (1800+ UBNT devices) and if it wasn¹t for the few
 piece of AC that worked it would have been a nightmare upgrading
 firmware,
 and checking on the worst performing clients.  Sure, we could have spent
 countless hours on writing scripts, integrating with 3rd party tools, but
 I shouldn¹t have to.  If you give me a tool, make it work at one point.
 I
 can get that Beta software is, just that, Beta Software.  Has anyone at
 UBNT actually tried to manage 2000 devices? Upgrading firmware, making
 changes, monitoring, etc.

 It¹s insulting that we spend good money.  At one point, we were spending
 20-30k a month buying UBNT products.  I realize margins are thin,
 marketing, overhead, blah blah blah.  But, if my folks spent less time
 monkeying with firmware upgrades and the like they could put on more
 customers.  More customers means more revenue for UBNT.  Not to mention
 the fact that I am sure there are operators out there who would PAY for a
 working AC.  Why? Because it saves them labor! Saving labor means saving
 money!  That¹s a benefit.  There are reasons products like Observium and
 Nagios which have paid and free Versions.  I would pay money if it meant
 I
 had less hassle.

 Cloud based for a network monitoring solution? Really? This is such a bad
 idea. How many years will this product be in Alpha or Beta?  I installed
 the CMS from Cambium and guess what? It worked? Because it worked my
 client is now sold on Cambium.  They see that its an integrated solution.
 Market toward the bean counters

Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

2014-12-02 Thread RickG

Looks great! Does it work? What is the cost?

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Daniel Peoples dpe...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/management-tools/cns-server

 *Daniel Peoples*
 Resonance Broadband
 *Resonancebroadband.com* http://Resonancebroadband.com
 918-429-3620


 On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 11:23 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

 How do you manage radios (upgrades, etc) with Cambium?

 On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net
 wrote:

 Cambium has CPE at $120 and APs at $500. Completely plausible to move
 over.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

 --
 *From: *Daniel Peoples dpe...@gmail.com
 *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:42:38 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

 Depending on the direction that the tool takes, it could be gold or a
 great big poo stain.

 If it is a free to use tool like ac1 or ac2, it will have that initial
 spert of awesome that will taper to nothing in a year or two. It will
 eventually be stuck by the wayside, as there just isn't enough margin in a
 $100 radio to support a tool like this.
 Can Cambium or anyone else like them do this better? Sure, but they have
 ap's that cost 10 times as much, and SM's that cost 4 to 5 times as much so
 they can support these tools.

 If it is a paid(MRC) billing platform, it will more than likely mature
 into something that is MUCH better than ac 1 or 2 , and something that
 actually on the billing side approaches a real billing software and CPE
 management system.

 All of this said, I run AC1 for management and swiftfox for billing, the
 two programs both do exactly what I want from them, and that is ALL I want
 them to do. If ubnt makes a product that does both functions and is around
 the same price or even higher per cpe, then hoo rah, saves me complexity in
 billing and management.

 As for the cloud side of this, yes it will always have more
 vulnerabilities than my ac1 server that doesn't even know where the
 internet is, but you have to put your billing system on the internet so
 that it can process a CC, and don't forget that your azotel or your
 powercode bmu sets IN the data stream. DDOS the box and your entire
 internet connection dies, because they have you to route the information
 through the hardware.
 BUT at the same time, my new installer doesn't even know that ac1 exists
 passed me showing him stat graphs, and he couldn't possibly hope to learn
 how you tie all of that stuff together to make the solid picture that I do
 when I look at all of the stuff together.


 I honestly don't see what all the nay saying is about. If they do it
 right, it will be a properly good tool, if they don't do it right, the
 adoption numbers will tell them that they did wrong.

 *Daniel Peoples*
 Resonance Broadband
 *Resonancebroadband.com* http://Resonancebroadband.com
 918-429-3620


 On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote:

 Thank you UBNT for treating your customers like they are just a bunch of
 hobbyists. There are many of us trying to run a business and having the
 proper tools to do that is essential.   For several years we have been
 told that Air Control is being active developed, we have programmers
 working on it, etc.

 I have ran a small WISP (1800+ UBNT devices) and if it wasn¹t for the
 few
 piece of AC that worked it would have been a nightmare upgrading
 firmware,
 and checking on the worst performing clients.  Sure, we could have spent
 countless hours on writing scripts, integrating with 3rd party tools,
 but
 I shouldn¹t have to.  If you give me a tool, make it work at one
 point.  I
 can get that Beta software is, just that, Beta Software.  Has anyone at
 UBNT actually tried to manage 2000 devices? Upgrading firmware, making
 changes, monitoring, etc.

 It¹s insulting that we spend good money.  At one point, we were spending
 20-30k a month buying UBNT products.  I realize margins are thin,
 marketing, overhead, blah blah blah.  But, if my folks spent less time
 monkeying with firmware upgrades and the like they could put on more
 customers.  More customers means more revenue for UBNT.  Not to mention
 the fact that I am sure there are operators out there who would PAY for
 a
 working AC.  Why? Because it saves them labor! Saving labor means saving
 money!  That¹s a benefit.  There are reasons products like Observium and
 Nagios which have paid and free Versions.  I would pay money if it
 meant I
 had less hassle.

 Cloud based for a network monitoring solution? Really? This is such a
 bad
 idea. How many years will this product be in Alpha or Beta?  I installed
 the CMS from Cambium and guess what? It worked

Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

Free. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org 
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 11:26:37 AM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 


Looks great! Does it work? What is the cost? 


On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Daniel Peoples  dpe...@gmail.com  wrote: 



http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/management-tools/cns-server 





Daniel Peoples 
Resonance Broadband 

Resonancebroadband.com 
918-429-36 20 



On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 11:23 AM, RickG  rgunder...@gmail.com  wrote: 

blockquote

How do you manage radios (upgrades, etc) with Cambium? 




On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Mike Hammett  wispaubntus...@ics-il.net  
wrote: 

blockquote


Cambium has CPE at $120 and APs at $500. Completely plausible to move over. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: Daniel Peoples  dpe...@gmail.com  
To: Ubiquiti Users Group  ubnt_users@wispa.org  
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:42:38 AM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 









Depending on the direction that the tool takes, it could be gold or a great big 
poo stain. 

If it is a free to use tool like ac1 or ac2, it will have that initial spert of 
awesome that will taper to nothing in a year or two. It will eventually be 
stuck by the wayside, as there just isn't enough margin in a $100 radio to 
support a tool like this. 
Can Cambium or anyone else like them do this better? Sure, but they have ap's 
that cost 10 times as much, and SM's that cost 4 to 5 times as much so they can 
support these tools. 

If it is a paid(MRC) billing platform, it will more than likely mature into 
something that is MUCH better than ac 1 or 2 , and something that actually on 
the billing side approaches a real billing software and CPE management system. 

All of this said, I run AC1 for management and swiftfox for billing, the two 
programs both do exactly what I want from them, and that is ALL I want them to 
do. If ubnt makes a product that does both functions and is around the same 
price or even higher per cpe, then hoo rah, saves me complexity in billing and 
management. 

As for the cloud side of this, yes it will always have more vulnerabilities 
than my ac1 server that doesn't even know where the internet is, but you have 
to put your billing system on the internet so that it can process a CC, and 
don't forget that your azotel or your powercode bmu sets IN the data stream. 
DDOS the box and your entire internet connection dies, because they have you to 
route the information through the hardware. 

BUT at the same time, my new installer doesn't even know that ac1 exists passed 
me showing him stat graphs, and he couldn't possibly hope to learn how you tie 
all of that stuff together to make the solid picture that I do when I look at 
all of the stuff together. 



I honestly don't see what all the nay saying is about. If they do it right, it 
will be a properly good tool, if they don't do it right, the adoption numbers 
will tell them that they did wrong. 





Daniel Peoples 
Resonance Broadband 

Resonancebroadband.com 
918-429-36 20 



On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Justin Wilson  li...@mtin.net  wrote: 

blockquote
Thank you UBNT for treating your customers like they are just a bunch of 
hobbyists. There are many of us trying to run a business and having the 
proper tools to do that is essential. For several years we have been 
told that Air Control is being active developed, we have programmers 
working on it, etc. 

I have ran a small WISP (1800+ UBNT devices) and if it wasn¹t for the few 
piece of AC that worked it would have been a nightmare upgrading firmware, 
and checking on the worst performing clients. Sure, we could have spent 
countless hours on writing scripts, integrating with 3rd party tools, but 
I shouldn¹t have to. If you give me a tool, make it work at one point. I 
can get that Beta software is, just that, Beta Software. Has anyone at 
UBNT actually tried to manage 2000 devices? Upgrading firmware, making 
changes, monitoring, etc. 

It¹s insulting that we spend good money. At one point, we were spending 
20-30k a month buying UBNT products. I realize margins are thin, 
marketing, overhead, blah blah blah. But, if my folks spent less time 
monkeying with firmware upgrades and the like they could put on more 
customers. More customers means more revenue for UBNT. Not to mention 
the fact that I am sure there are operators out there who would PAY for a 
working AC. Why? Because it saves them labor! Saving labor means saving 
money! That¹s a benefit. There are reasons products like Observium and 
Nagios which have paid and free Versions. I would pay money if it meant I 
had less hassle. 

Cloud based for a network monitoring solution? Really? This is such a bad 
idea. How many years will this product be in Alpha or Beta? I

Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

2014-12-02 Thread RickG

Sounds like time to test on a tower!

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net
wrote:

 Free.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

 --
 *From: *RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
 *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 11:26:37 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

 Looks great! Does it work? What is the cost?

 On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Daniel Peoples dpe...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/management-tools/cns-server

 *Daniel Peoples*
 Resonance Broadband
 *Resonancebroadband.com* http://Resonancebroadband.com
 918-429-3620


 On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 11:23 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

 How do you manage radios (upgrades, etc) with Cambium?

 On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net
  wrote:

 Cambium has CPE at $120 and APs at $500. Completely plausible to move
 over.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

 --
 *From: *Daniel Peoples dpe...@gmail.com
 *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:42:38 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

 Depending on the direction that the tool takes, it could be gold or a
 great big poo stain.

 If it is a free to use tool like ac1 or ac2, it will have that initial
 spert of awesome that will taper to nothing in a year or two. It will
 eventually be stuck by the wayside, as there just isn't enough margin in a
 $100 radio to support a tool like this.
 Can Cambium or anyone else like them do this better? Sure, but they
 have ap's that cost 10 times as much, and SM's that cost 4 to 5 times as
 much so they can support these tools.

 If it is a paid(MRC) billing platform, it will more than likely mature
 into something that is MUCH better than ac 1 or 2 , and something that
 actually on the billing side approaches a real billing software and CPE
 management system.

 All of this said, I run AC1 for management and swiftfox for billing,
 the two programs both do exactly what I want from them, and that is ALL I
 want them to do. If ubnt makes a product that does both functions and is
 around the same price or even higher per cpe, then hoo rah, saves me
 complexity in billing and management.

 As for the cloud side of this, yes it will always have more
 vulnerabilities than my ac1 server that doesn't even know where the
 internet is, but you have to put your billing system on the internet so
 that it can process a CC, and don't forget that your azotel or your
 powercode bmu sets IN the data stream. DDOS the box and your entire
 internet connection dies, because they have you to route the information
 through the hardware.
 BUT at the same time, my new installer doesn't even know that ac1
 exists passed me showing him stat graphs, and he couldn't possibly hope to
 learn how you tie all of that stuff together to make the solid picture that
 I do when I look at all of the stuff together.


 I honestly don't see what all the nay saying is about. If they do it
 right, it will be a properly good tool, if they don't do it right, the
 adoption numbers will tell them that they did wrong.

 *Daniel Peoples*
 Resonance Broadband
 *Resonancebroadband.com* http://Resonancebroadband.com
 918-429-3620


 On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote:

 Thank you UBNT for treating your customers like they are just a bunch
 of
 hobbyists. There are many of us trying to run a business and having the
 proper tools to do that is essential.   For several years we have been
 told that Air Control is being active developed, we have programmers
 working on it, etc.

 I have ran a small WISP (1800+ UBNT devices) and if it wasn¹t for the
 few
 piece of AC that worked it would have been a nightmare upgrading
 firmware,
 and checking on the worst performing clients.  Sure, we could have
 spent
 countless hours on writing scripts, integrating with 3rd party tools,
 but
 I shouldn¹t have to.  If you give me a tool, make it work at one
 point.  I
 can get that Beta software is, just that, Beta Software.  Has anyone at
 UBNT actually tried to manage 2000 devices? Upgrading firmware, making
 changes, monitoring, etc.

 It¹s insulting that we spend good money.  At one point, we were
 spending
 20-30k a month buying UBNT products.  I realize margins are thin,
 marketing, overhead, blah blah blah.  But, if my folks spent less time
 monkeying with firmware upgrades and the like

Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

2014-12-02 Thread Kees H

Don't get me wrong.  I would love it if the product works as advertised.  But 
as with the unifi software.  Allow me to load it on my server.  That is all I 
ask for.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Daniel Peoples 
  To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 9:13 AM
  Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

  Sorry, my brain works in mysterious ways(at least that's what my wife tells 
me). 

  What I'm trying to say is let them take a stab at this, and objectively judge 
the final product. They might accidentally get it right. At worst, when it 
comes out of beta and doesn't work, don't use it and if enough folks do the 
same, they won't mess with it, it will be depreciated and the team that makes 
it will be re-assigned. 
  Also, from the security standpoint I'm just saying that it won't be any more 
insecure than any other solution, just because it is a cloud based offering. 

  Someone also made a comment that I interrupted as cambium could do it 
better, to which I was just saying YES THEY CAN, because they have the 
additional financial assistance of a upscale ap/cpe combination to support it.

  Daniel Peoples
  Resonance Broadband

  Resonancebroadband.com
  918-429-3620

  On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net 
wrote:

You've completely lost me.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

From: Daniel Peoples dpe...@gmail.com
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:57:46 AM

Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

The revenue of the epmp line doesn't support much. 

And actually, how much DOES cambium make off those things?

Daniel Peoples
Resonance Broadband

Resonancebroadband.com
918-429-3620

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net 
wrote:

  ePMP doesn't support what?

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com

--

  From: Daniel Peoples dpe...@gmail.com
  To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
  Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:52:00 AM

  Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

  Yes, but we both know that the epmp doesn't support this, the 450 does.

  Daniel Peoples
  Resonance Broadband

  Resonancebroadband.com
  918-429-3620

  On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net 
wrote:

Cambium has CPE at $120 and APs at $500. Completely plausible to move 
over.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

From: Daniel Peoples dpe...@gmail.com
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:42:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

Depending on the direction that the tool takes, it could be gold or a 
great big poo stain. 

If it is a free to use tool like ac1 or ac2, it will have that initial 
spert of awesome that will taper to nothing in a year or two. It will 
eventually be stuck by the wayside, as there just isn't enough margin in a $100 
radio to support a tool like this. 
Can Cambium or anyone else like them do this better? Sure, but they 
have ap's that cost 10 times as much, and SM's that cost 4 to 5 times as much 
so they can support these tools.

If it is a paid(MRC) billing platform, it will more than likely mature 
into something that is MUCH better than ac 1 or 2 , and something that actually 
on the billing side approaches a real billing software and CPE management 
system. 

All of this said, I run AC1 for management and swiftfox for billing, 
the two programs both do exactly what I want from them, and that is ALL I want 
them to do. If ubnt makes a product that does both functions and is around the 
same price or even higher per cpe, then hoo rah, saves me complexity in billing 
and management.

As for the cloud side of this, yes it will always have more 
vulnerabilities than my ac1 server that doesn't even know where the internet 
is, but you have to put your billing system on the internet so that it can 
process a CC, and don't forget that your azotel or your powercode bmu sets IN 
the data stream. DDOS the box and your entire internet connection dies, because 
they have you to route the information through the hardware.

BUT at the same time, my new installer doesn't even know that ac1 
exists passed me showing him stat graphs, and he couldn't possibly hope to 
learn how you tie all of that stuff together to make the solid picture that I 
do when

Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

*nods* I'll gladly take airCRM and load it on my existing on-net server and 
just not use the billing aspect. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: Kees H wi...@calbroadband.com 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org 
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 11:41:26 AM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 

 
Don't get me wrong. I would love it if the product works as advertised. But as 
with the unifi software. Allow me to load it on my server. That is all I ask 
for. 



- Original Message - 
From: Daniel Peoples 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 9:13 AM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 




Sorry, my brain works in mysterious ways(at least that's what my wife tells 
me). 

What I'm trying to say is let them take a stab at this, and objectively judge 
the final product. They might accidentally get it right. At worst, when it 
comes out of beta and doesn't work, don't use it and if enough folks do the 
same, they won't mess with it, it will be depreciated and the team that makes 
it will be re-assigned. 
Also, from the security standpoint I'm just saying that it won't be any more 
insecure than any other solution, just because it is a cloud based offering. 

Someone also made a comment that I interrupted as cambium could do it better, 
to which I was just saying YES THEY CAN, because they have the additional 
financial assistance of a upscale ap/cpe combination to support it. 





Daniel Peoples 
Resonance Broadband 

Resonancebroadband.com 
918-429-36 20 



On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Mike Hammett  wispaubntus...@ics-il.net  
wrote: 

blockquote


You've completely lost me. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: Daniel Peoples  dpe...@gmail.com  
To: Ubiquiti Users Group  ubnt_users@wispa.org  
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:57:46 AM 


Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 



The revenue of the epmp line doesn't support much. 

And actually, how much DOES cambium make off those things? 





Daniel Peoples 
Resonance Broadband 

Resonancebroadband.com 
918-429-36 20 



On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Mike Hammett  wispaubntus...@ics-il.net  
wrote: 

blockquote


ePMP doesn't support what? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: Daniel Peoples  dpe...@gmail.com  
To: Ubiquiti Users Group  ubnt_users@wispa.org  
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:52:00 AM 


Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 


Yes, but we both know that the epmp doesn't support this, the 450 does. 





Daniel Peoples 
Resonance Broadband 

Resonancebroadband.com 
918-429-36 20 



On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Mike Hammett  wispaubntus...@ics-il.net  
wrote: 

blockquote


Cambium has CPE at $120 and APs at $500. Completely plausible to move over. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: Daniel Peoples  dpe...@gmail.com  
To: Ubiquiti Users Group  ubnt_users@wispa.org  
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:42:38 AM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 









Depending on the direction that the tool takes, it could be gold or a great big 
poo stain. 

If it is a free to use tool like ac1 or ac2, it will have that initial spert of 
awesome that will taper to nothing in a year or two. It will eventually be 
stuck by the wayside, as there just isn't enough margin in a $100 radio to 
support a tool like this. 
Can Cambium or anyone else like them do this better? Sure, but they have ap's 
that cost 10 times as much, and SM's that cost 4 to 5 times as much so they can 
support these tools. 

If it is a paid(MRC) billing platform, it will more than likely mature into 
something that is MUCH better than ac 1 or 2 , and something that actually on 
the billing side approaches a real billing software and CPE management system. 

All of this said, I run AC1 for management and swiftfox for billing, the two 
programs both do exactly what I want from them, and that is ALL I want them to 
do. If ubnt makes a product that does both functions and is around the same 
price or even higher per cpe, then hoo rah, saves me complexity in billing and 
management. 

As for the cloud side of this, yes it will always have more vulnerabilities 
than my ac1 server that doesn't even know where the internet is, but you have 
to put your billing system on the internet so that it can process a CC, and 
don't forget that your azotel or your powercode bmu sets IN the data stream. 
DDOS the box and your entire internet connection dies, because they have you to 
route the information through the hardware. 

BUT at the same time, my new installer doesn't even know that ac1 exists passed 
me showing him stat graphs, and he couldn't possibly hope to learn how you tie 
all of that stuff together to make the solid picture that I do when I look at 
all

Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

As long as they aren't dependent on each other (which I believe they already 
said), they don't have to remove billing. Keep it there for all I care, just 
let me install it locally. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org 
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:03:37 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 



It doesn't seem like it should be all that complicated to just remove the 
billing parts and let us have the rest to run on our own servers... 




From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 11:43 AM 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 




*nods* I'll gladly take airCRM and load it on my existing on-net server and 
just not use the billing aspect. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: Kees H wi...@calbroadband.com 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org 
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 11:41:26 AM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 

 
Don't get me wrong. I would love it if the product works as advertised. But as 
with the unifi software. Allow me to load it on my server. That is all I ask 
for. 



- Original Message - 
From: Daniel Peoples 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 9:13 AM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 




Sorry, my brain works in mysterious ways(at least that's what my wife tells 
me). 

What I'm trying to say is let them take a stab at this, and objectively judge 
the final product. They might accidentally get it right. At worst, when it 
comes out of beta and doesn't work, don't use it and if enough folks do the 
same, they won't mess with it, it will be depreciated and the team that makes 
it will be re-assigned. 
Also, from the security standpoint I'm just saying that it won't be any more 
insecure than any other solution, just because it is a cloud based offering. 

Someone also made a comment that I interrupted as cambium could do it better, 
to which I was just saying YES THEY CAN, because they have the additional 
financial assistance of a upscale ap/cpe combination to support it. 





Daniel Peoples 
Resonance Broadband 

Resonancebroadband.com 
918-429-36 20 



On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Mike Hammett  wispaubntus...@ics-il.net  
wrote: 

blockquote


You've completely lost me. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: Daniel Peoples  dpe...@gmail.com  
To: Ubiquiti Users Group  ubnt_users@wispa.org  
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:57:46 AM 


Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 



The revenue of the epmp line doesn't support much. 

And actually, how much DOES cambium make off those things? 





Daniel Peoples 
Resonance Broadband 

Resonancebroadband.com 
918-429-36 20 



On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Mike Hammett  wispaubntus...@ics-il.net  
wrote: 

blockquote


ePMP doesn't support what? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: Daniel Peoples  dpe...@gmail.com  
To: Ubiquiti Users Group  ubnt_users@wispa.org  
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:52:00 AM 


Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 


Yes, but we both know that the epmp doesn't support this, the 450 does. 





Daniel Peoples 
Resonance Broadband 

Resonancebroadband.com 
918-429-36 20 



On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Mike Hammett  wispaubntus...@ics-il.net  
wrote: 

blockquote


Cambium has CPE at $120 and APs at $500. Completely plausible to move over. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: Daniel Peoples  dpe...@gmail.com  
To: Ubiquiti Users Group  ubnt_users@wispa.org  
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:42:38 AM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 









Depending on the direction that the tool takes, it could be gold or a great big 
poo stain. 

If it is a free to use tool like ac1 or ac2, it will have that initial spert of 
awesome that will taper to nothing in a year or two. It will eventually be 
stuck by the wayside, as there just isn't enough margin in a $100 radio to 
support a tool like this. 
Can Cambium or anyone else like them do this better? Sure, but they have ap's 
that cost 10 times as much, and SM's that cost 4 to 5 times as much so they can 
support these tools. 

If it is a paid(MRC) billing platform, it will more than likely mature into 
something that is MUCH better than ac 1 or 2 , and something that actually on 
the billing side approaches a real billing software and CPE management system. 

All of this said, I run AC1 for management and swiftfox for billing, the two 
programs both do exactly what I want from them, and that is ALL I want them

Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

2014-12-02 Thread Rory Conaway

I think I’d be happy if AirControl just supported all the hardware they sell 
and if the AirGateway firmware gets out of Beta before the Cubs win the World 
Series.

 

Rory

 

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 11:08 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

 

true... I don't care if it's there either, but if they for some reason think 
the billing stuff needs to be kept on their servers where it's safe from our 
meddling, I'd be perfectly happy if they just cut it all out and let us have 
the useful part.



From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:06 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

As long as they aren't dependent on each other (which I believe they already 
said), they don't have to remove billing. Keep it there for all I care, just 
let me install it locally.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL  
https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb  
https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions  
https://twitter.com/ICSIL 





From: Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:03:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

It doesn't seem like it should be all that complicated to just remove the 
billing parts and let us have the rest to run on our own servers...



From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 11:43 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

*nods* I'll gladly take airCRM and load it on my existing on-net server and 
just not use the billing aspect.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL  
https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb  
https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions  
https://twitter.com/ICSIL 



From: Kees H wi...@calbroadband.com
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 11:41:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

 

Don't get me wrong.  I would love it if the product works as advertised.  But 
as with the unifi software.  Allow me to load it on my server.  That is all I 
ask for.

 

- Original Message - 

From: Daniel Peoples mailto:dpe...@gmail.com  

To: Ubiquiti Users Group mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org  

Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 9:13 AM

Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

 

Sorry, my brain works in mysterious ways(at least that's what my wife 
tells me). 

What I'm trying to say is let them take a stab at this, and objectively 
judge the final product. They might accidentally get it right. At worst, when 
it comes out of beta and doesn't work, don't use it and if enough folks do the 
same, they won't mess with it, it will be depreciated and the team that makes 
it will be re-assigned. 
Also, from the security standpoint I'm just saying that it won't be any 
more insecure than any other solution, just because it is a cloud based 
offering. 

Someone also made a comment that I interrupted as cambium could do it 
better, to which I was just saying YES THEY CAN, because they have the 
additional financial assistance of a upscale ap/cpe combination to support it.




Daniel Peoples
Resonance Broadband

Resonancebroadband.com http://Resonancebroadband.com 
918-429-3620

 

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Mike Hammett 
wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote:

You've completely lost me.



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From: Daniel Peoples dpe...@gmail.com
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:57:46 AM 


Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

The revenue of the epmp line doesn't support much. 

And actually, how much DOES cambium make off those things?




Daniel Peoples
Resonance Broadband

Resonancebroadband.com http://Resonancebroadband.com 
918-429-3620

Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

2014-12-02 Thread Mathew Howard

And that's the problem here... If they want to make a hosted thing with 
integrated billing that nobody seems to want, that's fine with me, but it isn't 
a replacement for airControl.

Just make something that the basic functions work on (with all devices) that's 
somewhat reliable and I think most of us would be perfectly happy... I don't 
even care about stuff like maps, it just needs to be able to do firmware 
upgrades, make configuration changes and monitor devices. It doesn't have to be 
all that complicated.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:21 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

With airCRM, airControl is dead.



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From: Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:20:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

I think I’d be happy if AirControl just supported all the hardware they sell 
and if the AirGateway firmware gets out of Beta before the Cubs win the World 
Series.

Rory

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 11:08 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

true... I don't care if it's there either, but if they for some reason think 
the billing stuff needs to be kept on their servers where it's safe from our 
meddling, I'd be perfectly happy if they just cut it all out and let us have 
the useful part.

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:06 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
As long as they aren't dependent on each other (which I believe they already 
said), they don't have to remove billing. Keep it there for all I care, just 
let me install it locally.


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From: Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:03:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
It doesn't seem like it should be all that complicated to just remove the 
billing parts and let us have the rest to run on our own servers...

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 11:43 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
*nods* I'll gladly take airCRM and load it on my existing on-net server and 
just not use the billing aspect.


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From: Kees H wi...@calbroadband.com
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 11:41:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl


Don't get me wrong.  I would love it if the product works as advertised.  But 
as with the unifi software.  Allow me to load it on my server.  That is all I 
ask for.

- Original Message -
From: Daniel Peoplesmailto:dpe...@gmail.com
To: Ubiquiti Users Groupmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

Sorry, my brain works in mysterious ways(at least that's what my wife tells me).
What I'm trying to say is let them take a stab at this, and objectively judge 
the final product. They might accidentally get it right. At worst, when it 
comes out of beta and doesn't work, don't use

Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

2014-12-02 Thread Mathew Howard

You would definitely want it to be extendible for other types of equipment, and 
if you design it with that in mind, it really shouldn't be a problem... you 
want it to make sure it can be made to work with stuff that'll come out in the 
future anyway, even if you aren't interested in other vendors.

I built a relatively simple system for monitoring our CPEs years ago that has 
mostly done the job, but some bad design choices (mostly due to lack of 
PHP/webdesign skills...) make it unsuitable for everything.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 1:25 PM
To: ubnt_users@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

As long as it's something simple with a rudimentary API to build off of, I see 
no reason why multiple polling/control types couldn't be designed.

Select a subnet, select types of polling to perform (ubnt discovery, whatever 
cambium uses, etc), select admin/password for groups of devices, and add them 
to the database. Once in the database their is a int pollingFrequency = x; and 
str pollType = y; and str pollTemplate = z;, where pollType could be snmp, 
ssh, agent and pollTemplate could be ubnt,cambium-ePmP,mikrotik, etc.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com

On 12/02/2014 10:15 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
My thought is that as we grow, we'll have different types of equipment out 
there...  UBNT, MT, Cambium, Mimosa, Netonix, SAF, Exalt, servers, etc. In my 
36 hours of experience, it seems like that would be the platform to build off 
of.  *shrugs*



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From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com
To: ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 1:08:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

Via Adam?

Not likely.

I'm doing some work on making sure the new UBNT MIBs are clean and standards 
based. That may not be a required part of the puzzle though -- snmp is pretty 
slow. Aircontrol works by authenticating initially as admin, exchanging ssh 
keys, and then using the device itself to poll stats and send them upstream (I 
believe, it's been awhile since I've looked into this).

I know the proper commands to pull the stats we need for graphing and 
everything, and we know the ssh commands for upgrading and things like that.

Diagnosing the config isn't hard, although the order of the config is often 
jumbled from device to device and version to version -- but it's mostly the 
same.

Just need somebody who can create a basic webpage with auth, load up x devices 
per page, a basic search function, and some sorts for organizing CPEs per AP 
MAC.

Scheduling would be nice eventually.

This can't be that hard. I used to do stuff far more complicated than this, but 
I haven't done any webdesign/css/php since like '99.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com

On 12/02/2014 09:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Think we could get enough stuff into Observium? It already pulls OS\package 
versions. So it knows what's running on it. It supports external apps. Maybe we 
could get a firmware push system into it.

It has Rancid to pull configurations. Rancid can also push commands out to all 
of the devices. Setup a UBNT config file format for the pulling and setup  a 
method to push configurations back out?



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From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com
To: ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:45:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

looks like we're going to have to come up with a third party solution

this sucks

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com

On 12/02/2014 09:41 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
And that's the problem here... If they want to make a hosted thing with 
integrated billing that nobody seems

Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

2014-12-02 Thread Sam

How do you get to the AirView on the AC-Lite radios? If it's in there, I 
couldn't find it (using 7.0.3u).

Thanks,
Sam

On 12/1/2014 20:33, Josh Reynolds wrote:
 Excellent write-up.

 I feel UBNT has kind of lost their way in certain areas. I don't
 understand mFi at all. UBNT-Vision (aircam stuff) is kind of a
 messstill. ToughSwitch debacle, green cable (tough lesson for us/them to
 learn), etc.

 AF24 is great. AF5 is... can be great in the right situation. EdgeSwitch
 ... needs alot of cli/gui work, but the features are there.
 EdgeRouter-lite... amazing performance out of a $99 device. EdgeRouter
 is 2Mpps and about $80 cheaper than a CCR1009-8G-1S, but it does miss
 some of the nice mikrotik tools. ER is rumoured to have MPLS and very
 likely MPLS-TE soon. USG/US is cool, very meraki-ish. The phones...
 some of the best I've ever seen hardware wise, but it'll be interesting
 to see if Enterprise is really ready for Android on the desk...

 AirMax-AC shipping now in PtP... very good throughput, needs that DFS
 and lower band. Real-time airview is amazing. Can't wait for the full
 version with AirPrism tech. TDMA offloading will be very nice for PtMP.

 There's some hit and miss for sure. I just wish there was more hit and
 less miss.

 josh reynolds :: chief information officer
 spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com

 On 12/01/2014 05:14 PM, Tom Fadgen wrote:
 I am sure glad that I own my business; and that said, as a business
 owner I look to make choices from those available; not cry over what
 is not!
 One thing is going to solve this problem, the one with UBNT not
 listing to their customers and providing a lot of shit we do not want
 or need from them.
 That is competition; plan and simple.

 I love the folks at UBNT for what they have done, disrupting the
 wireless infrastructure market. They kicked Motorola's ass and took
 market share
 at an alarming rate. Motorola was big and bloated with unnecessary
 overhead and products that were overpriced and underperformed.

 Here is what I do not like since their release of Airmax:
 * Took way too much time enabling DFS frequencies on original
 equipment
 * Bug ridden firmware releases
 * Lack of supply of their Products
 * Half baked attempts with Management Tools AC1, AC2
 * Lack/Poor support of SNMP so we can do it better with other tools
 * Lower/DFS and UNII1 support for Nanobeam
 * Still no AIRMAX version 2.0 equipment or whatever they want to
 name it(I have not signed an NDA)
 * Lack of focus on WISP Core needs, gave us routers, when we all
 use Mikrotik, gave us cameras, when were not asking and now a billing
 platform when I already have one and love it!
 We can all add to this list...

 Now back to the competition deal, Cambium showed the redesigned Force
 100, now called force 110 at WISPAPALOZZA 2014 and less than 45 days
 later I received it. Last year they announced the ePMP 1000 line right
 before WISPAPALOZZA and I ordered it while at the show and had it
 waiting for me at the office when I returned. I did some testing for
 about a week and switched 35 customers over and had not one complaint
 from them, only my tech's because the web interface was buggy. I just
 wonder if Cambium(no NDA's here either) just might beat UBNT with a
 faster/enhanced ePMP before UBNT gets their new stuff together.

 Now, here's to Cambium -- may you be extremely successful and on time
 with your road map.

 Now , here's to MIMOSA -- may you deliver on what you promised, both
 technically and on time(looking kind of bad so far on the time deal
 Jaime).

 Now, here's to UBNT -- may you find your way home back to your
 original market, the WISPS's before Wall Street crushes you for not
 making your numbers again! You had your chance to crush your
 heavyweight champion but
 you gave them time to come
 back and maybe, kick some UBNT 

 Now, I am seriously rooting  for them all, we need competition, it is
 healthy for our industry.

 Tom Fadgen
 coastinet.com





 On 12/1/2014 1:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 It's called airCRM. It does billing and control. It's only hosted in
 the cloud.

 How could UBNT go this long without a functional control platform
 only to fuck it up this badly?



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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

2014-12-02 Thread Jenco Wireless

Thank you, engineers at Cambium, for taking a crap chip-set, and making it
work.  Thank you for actually delivering on your promises.  That is all I
have to say.

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net wrote:

  Not really.  All it does currently:
 1. Given an IP it will pull and parse the discovery information (UDP 10001)
 2. Given an IP and community string it will pull the SSID from an AP
 3. Given an IP and community string it will pull the stations list and
 associated information on an AP.
 4. Given a username and password it will scp the config file.

 Basically only the things I needed.

 I have spent time looking at the config file to pull out various settings
 (bridge vs router), DHCP vs static, whether DMZ is enable, checking device
 name, etc.  But I haven't spent much time thinking about actually pushing
 changes via the config file.  I have mostly used the stuff I have written
 looking for exceptions to our normal configurations and then flagging them
 to be checked manual to see if it was a misconfigured radio vs a special
 case situation.

 From what little I have looked at the config format is pretty loose but
 not sure how loose.  I know various options may or may not be there
 depending on the configuration history of the radio and I know the order of
 lines in the file can change, but I don't know if there is a strict order
 to parts of the config (either sections or parts of the section), or what
 the 'minimal' config has to consist of.


 On 12/02/2014 05:20 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

 That would be useful. Is it like https://github.com/jof/ubbnut ?

 josh reynolds :: chief information officer
 spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

 On 12/02/2014 11:15 AM, Sam Tetherow wrote:

 I've got a breakdown and php code for the UBNT discovery protocol for
 anyone who is interested and I've parse chunks for the config files to
 check various settings.

 On 12/02/2014 01:56 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

 hangout created :)

  josh reynolds :: chief information officer
 spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

 On 12/02/2014 10:51 AM, Chris Ruschmann wrote:

  There are a couple ways to build a database to facilitate this. I built
 a custom monitoring system for our IT billing system several years ago that
 we can go off.



 Shall we setup a Hangouts to go over things? I think this could be a
 killer tool.



 *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
 *Sent:* Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:26 AM
 *To:* ubnt_users@wispa.org
 *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl



 As long as it's something simple with a rudimentary API to build off of, I
 see no reason why multiple polling/control types couldn't be designed.

 Select a subnet, select types of polling to perform (ubnt discovery,
 whatever cambium uses, etc), select admin/password for groups of devices,
 and add them to the database. Once in the database their is a *int pollin*
 *gFrequency** = x**; *and *str poll**T**ype = **y;* and *str pollTemplate
 = z;*, where pollType could be snmp, ssh, agent and pollTemplate could
 be ubnt,cambium-ePmP,mikrotik, etc.

  josh reynolds :: chief information officer

 spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

 On 12/02/2014 10:15 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  My thought is that as we grow, we'll have different types of equipment
 out there...  UBNT, MT, Cambium, Mimosa, Netonix, SAF, Exalt, servers, etc.
 In my 36 hours of experience, it seems like that would be the platform to
 build off of.  *shrugs*



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 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

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 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

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 *From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com j...@spitwspots.com
 *To: *ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org ubnt_users@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 1:08:12 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

 Via Adam?

 Not likely.

 I'm doing some work on making sure the new UBNT MIBs are clean and
 standards based. That may not be a required part of the puzzle though --
 snmp is pretty slow. Aircontrol works by authenticating initially as
 admin, exchanging ssh keys, and then using the device itself to poll stats
 and send them upstream (I believe, it's been awhile since I've looked into
 this).

 I know the proper commands to pull the stats we need for graphing and
 everything, and we know the ssh commands for upgrading and things like that.

 Diagnosing the config isn't hard, although the order of the config is
 often jumbled from device to device and version to version -- but it's
 mostly the same.

 Just need somebody who can create a basic webpage with auth, load up x
 devices per page, a basic search function, and some sorts for organizing
 CPEs per AP MAC.

 Scheduling would be nice eventually.

 This can't be that hard. I used

Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

Jab has an old version of Powercode

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 2, 2014 11:25 PM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:

 What do companies like Jab and Wisper use?


 Josh Reynolds wrote:
  As long as it's something simple with a rudimentary API to build off
  of, I see no reason why multiple polling/control types couldn't be
  designed.
 
  Select a subnet, select types of polling to perform (ubnt discovery,
  whatever cambium uses, etc), select admin/password for groups of
  devices, and add them to the database. Once in the database their is a
  /int pollingFrequency = x; /and /str pollType = y;/ and /str
  pollTemplate = z;/, where pollType could be snmp, ssh, agent and
  pollTemplate could be ubnt,cambium-ePmP,mikrotik, etc.
  josh reynolds :: chief information officer
  spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com
  On 12/02/2014 10:15 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
  My thought is that as we grow, we'll have different types of
  equipment out there...  UBNT, MT, Cambium, Mimosa, Netonix, SAF,
  Exalt, servers, etc. In my 36 hours of experience, it seems like that
  would be the platform to build off of.  *shrugs*
 
 
 
  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com
 
  https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL
 
  
  *From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
  *To: *ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org
  *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 1:08:12 PM
  *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
 
  Via Adam?
 
  Not likely.
 
  I'm doing some work on making sure the new UBNT MIBs are clean and
  standards based. That may not be a required part of the puzzle
  though-- snmp is pretty slow. Aircontrol works by authenticating
  initially as admin, exchanging ssh keys, and then using the device
  itself to poll stats and send them upstream (I believe, it's been
  awhile since I've looked into this).
 
  I know the proper commands to pull the stats we need for graphing and
  everything, and we know the ssh commands for upgrading and things
  like that.
 
  Diagnosing the config isn't hard, although the order of the config is
  often jumbled from device to device and version to version-- but it's
  mostly the same.
 
  Just need somebody who can create a basic webpage with auth, load up
  x devices per page, a basic search function, and some sorts for
  organizing CPEs per AP MAC.
 
  Scheduling would be nice eventually.
 
  This can't be that hard. I used to do stuff far more complicated than
  this, but I haven't done any webdesign/css/php since like '99.
  josh reynolds :: chief information officer
  spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com
  On 12/02/2014 09:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 
  Think we could get enough stuff into Observium? It already pulls
  OS\package versions. So it knows what's running on it. It
  supports external apps. Maybe we could get a firmware push system
  into it.
 
  It has Rancid to pull configurations. Rancid can also push
  commands out to all of the devices. Setup a UBNT config file
  format for the pulling and setup  a method to push configurations
  back out?
 
 
 
  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com
 
  https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL
 
 
  
  *From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
  *To: *ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org
  *Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:45:53 PM
  *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl
 
  looks like we're going to have to come up with a third party
 solution
 
  this sucks
 
  josh reynolds :: chief information officer
  spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com
 
  On 12/02/2014 09:41 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
 
  And that's the problem here... If they want to make a hosted
  thing with integrated billing that nobody seems to want,
  that's fine with me, but it isn't a replacement for airControl.
 
  Just make something that the basic functions work on (with
  all devices) that's somewhat reliable and I think most of us
  would be perfectly happy... I don't even care about stuff
  like maps, it just needs to be able to do firmware upgrades,
  make configuration changes and monitor devices. It doesn't
  have to be all that complicated.
 
 
  
  *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org
  [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Mike Hammett

Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

2014-12-02 Thread Josh Reynolds

they use powercode for upgrading devices, mass config changes, etc?

If so that's cool, we've got a 25k procera box that arrived in our
office yesterday and we're about to start our powercode migration next
week! :)

That said,we have a very functional IPOQUE DPI traffic shaper for sale
if anybody wants one. prx5g

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

On 12/02/2014 07:41 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Jab has an old version of Powercode

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On Dec 2, 2014 11:25 PM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote:

What do companies like Jab and Wisper use?

Josh Reynolds wrote:
As long as it's something simple with a rudimentary API to build off
of, I see no reason why multiple polling/control types couldn't be
designed.

Select a subnet, select types of polling to perform (ubnt discovery,
whatever cambium uses, etc), select admin/password for groups of
devices, and add them to the database. Once in the database
their is a
/int pollingFrequency = x; /and /str pollType = y;/ and /str
pollTemplate = z;/, where pollType could be snmp, ssh, agent and
pollTemplate could be ubnt,cambium-ePmP,mikrotik, etc.
josh reynolds :: chief information officer
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On 12/02/2014 10:15 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
My thought is that as we grow, we'll have different types of
equipment out there... UBNT, MT, Cambium, Mimosa, Netonix, SAF,
Exalt, servers, etc. In my 36 hours of experience, it seems
like that
would be the platform to build off of. *shrugs*

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*From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
mailto:j...@spitwspots.com
*To: *ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org
mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
*Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 1:08:12 PM
*Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

Via Adam?

Not likely.

I'm doing some work on making sure the new UBNT MIBs are clean and
standards based. That may not be a required part of the puzzle
though-- snmp is pretty slow. Aircontrol works by authenticating
initially as admin, exchanging ssh keys, and then using the device
itself to poll stats and send them upstream (I believe, it's been
awhile since I've looked into this).

I know the proper commands to pull the stats we need for
graphing and
everything, and we know the ssh commands for upgrading and things
like that.

Diagnosing the config isn't hard, although the order of the
config is
often jumbled from device to device and version to version--
but it's
mostly the same.

Just need somebody who can create a basic webpage with auth,
load up
x devices per page, a basic search function, and some sorts for
organizing CPEs per AP MAC.

Scheduling would be nice eventually.

This can't be that hard. I used to do stuff far more
complicated than
this, but I haven't done any webdesign/css/php since like '99.
josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com
On 12/02/2014 09:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Think we could get enough stuff into Observium? It already
pulls
OS\package versions. So it knows what's running on it. It
supports external apps. Maybe we could get a firmware push
system
into it.

It has Rancid to pull configurations. Rancid can also push
commands out to all of the devices. Setup a UBNT config file
format for the pulling and setup a method to push
configurations
back out?

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*From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
mailto:j...@spitwspots.com
*To: *ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org
mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
*Sent: *Tuesday, December 2, 2014 12:45:53 PM
*Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

looks like we're going to have to come up with a third
party

Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

2014-12-02 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

just catching up on this threadreminds self tho that we (the US) are not 
their primary market.
then again, we are a pretty large market...

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mike Hammett 
  To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
  Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 6:31 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

  They have my e-mail address. They have the e-mail addresses for all of us at 
The Brothers WISP. It's not like we're idiots. We'll gladly tell them what we 
want and what they should\shouldn't do. They haven't taken us up on that offer.

  -
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  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com

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  From: Kees H wi...@calbroadband.com
  To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
  Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 6:14:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

  It surprises me that they did not ask wispa.  They are on this group.  Who 
better to tell them what wisps are looking for.

- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

I saw bits and pieces along the way and told them no every time.

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From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
To: ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:37:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

I'm not sure how much I can say on this topic, but I will say that over a 
year ago when this was proposed everyone told them (to their faces) NO, we do 
not want this.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comOn 12/01/2014 12:35 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  I don't know how anyone could read their target market this badly.

  It's like Ferrari or Lamborghini coming out with something to compete 
with the Geo Metro.

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  From: Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net
  To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
  Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:09:39 PM
  Subject: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

  It's called airCRM. It does billing and control. It's only hosted in the 
cloud.

  How could UBNT go this long without a functional control platform only to 
fuck it up this badly?

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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

2014-12-02 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

you really think the FCC needed this in order to mine  ?  Bwhwhaha.a.a.a.
what extension is the NSA from the FCC? lol

  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Reynolds 
  To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
  Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 7:19 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

  I wonder if it's possible for the FCC to come in and say Before you removed 
compliance test there was a bunch of compliance test gear out there running 
illegally. We'd like to 'audit' your cloud and see how many people are still 
doing that... for your own good.

  Probably unlikely, but with that level of data collection - who knows. A lot 
of things become possible.

  /tin_foil_hat

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comOn 12/01/2014 04:15 PM, Chris Ruschmann wrote:

There were several of us in the Alpha that told em it's a bad idea. They
wouldn't even acknowledge the fact we didn't want it. Al requests for a
local versions were ignored and not responded too.

My theory is Data Mining for investor relations.

-Original Message-
From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kees H
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:48 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

Oh and their cloud solution does not need to be hacked.  What about a
disgruntled ubnt employee changing all the ssid's, logins and passwords of
all the connected cloud solution radios.  Do I hear Taps playing?

Most ISPs in general like our management network to stay... private.
These are probably the same people who run everything in one broadcast
domain.

As I said on the forums, if my network AC server gets hacked, that's
my problem. If their cloud solution has an exploit in it, then its
everyone's problem.

On 12/1/2014 7:31 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
They have my e-mail address. They have the e-mail addresses for all
of us at The Brothers WISP. It's not like we're idiots. We'll gladly
tell them what we want and what they should\shouldn't do. They
haven't taken us up on that offer.

-
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*From: *Kees H wi...@calbroadband.com
*To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
*Sent: *Monday, December 1, 2014 6:14:42 PM
*Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

It surprises me that they did not ask wispa. They are on this group.
Who better to tell them what wisps are looking for.

- Original Message -
*From:* Mike Hammett mailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net
*To:* Ubiquiti Users Group mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
*Sent:* Monday, December 01, 2014 1:40 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

I saw bits and pieces along the way and told them no every time.

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*From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
mailto:j...@spitwspots.com
*To: *ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org
mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
*Sent: *Monday, December 1, 2014 3:37:55 PM
*Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

I'm not sure how much I can say on this topic, but I will say that
over a year ago when this was proposed everyone told them (to
their faces) NO, we do not want this.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com

On 12/01/2014 12:35 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I don't know how anyone could read their target market this
badly.

It's like Ferrari or Lamborghini coming out with something to
compete with the Geo Metro.

-
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*From: *Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net
*To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
*Sent: *Monday, December 1, 2014 3:09:39 PM
*Subject: *[Ubnt_users] New airControl

It's called airCRM. It does billing and control. It's only
hosted in the cloud.

How could UBNT go this long without a functional control
platform only to fuck it up this badly?

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

2014-12-02 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller


haven't i seen a presentation again and again how this trend reverses every 
what, 10 years?
so, maybe, soon, it'll all start moving back to the desktop/server less cloud 
again?

some things belong in the cloud.  most things do not.

(my take on things)


  - Original Message - 
  From: Steve Barnes 
  To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 7:34 AM
  Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl


  I want to first go on record as saying I to dislike the idea of a cloud based 
management tool. 

   

  However, I also remember all of us bitching about AC being a Java app and not 
having a web UI for our phones and other devices.  When Ben Moore said that we 
would not have to worry about that in the next version I kind of thought about 
a hosted solution, but thought “Oh surly not”.

   

  Another point that I want to make is that US WISPs are not their largest 
market.  I am sure that it is a large market for them but not the largest.  I 
expect they are trying to be uniform across all their platforms worldwide.  I 
assume we will see Unifi and Mfi eventually go ALL Cloud based. Everything from 
AP, CPE, Router, WiFi, Lights, Phones, Cameras, and even thermostat controlled 
from the cloud. 

   

  The hacking possibility of all this is huge.  But everything I see is moving 
this way.  The local school Corp in our area just released 2 techs and 
converted ever thing they could to virtual off-site with remote monitoring and 
control of all equipment from WiFi Aps and Net Switches to Servers and 
workstations.  The IT Manager says he loves the reduced work load but sees now 
he has handed the keys to someone else and has a lot less control.  All he does 
now is move wires and swap equipment. 

   

  All the NEST products, personal IP Security Cameras all are already in the 
cloud. The general techy populous are starting to except it.  I think lots of 
WISPs will be less likely since they feel less in control of their networks and 
we are all about control. But I don’t think we are going to stop this trend.

   

  Steven Barnes

  GM

  PCSWIN.com

  Howard LLC.

   

  From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
  Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 10:37 PM
  To: Ubiquiti Users Group
  Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

   

  Well right. That's why I said few and not none.



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  From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
  To: ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org
  Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 9:36:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

  It was in alpha for 7-8 months before it hit the public beta today.

josh reynolds :: chief information officerspitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comOn 
12/01/2014 06:25 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

It was announced today, so few are familiar.



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From: Robert Andrews nos...@avantwireless.com
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 9:22:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

Ok, but when the device contacts the cloud why can't the cloud at that 
point start the update?   I'm not really familiar with the product but what is 
the frequency of the cloud to ground discharge ( or the other way around )...



On 12/1/14 7:10 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

  The cloud doesn't contact the devices, the devices initiate connection to 
the cloud.

  (to be fair)

josh reynolds :: chief information officerspitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comOn 
12/01/2014 06:08 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:

Kinda hard to point to a bunch of wavy hand WISPs about the size of your 
management adoption for the investors, but nuts dead simple if they are on your 
cloud system...   And if the FCC changes the rules   Guess what can be 
forced to update for compliance with or without your say so... Hm  On 
12/1/14 4:45 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:On 12/1/14, 16:44, Kees H wrote:Why would 
I waste public ips on my radios, so ubnt can have control of myradios?  Don't 
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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

2014-12-01 Thread Ty Featherling

You gave GOT to be shitting me!

-Ty

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wrote:

 Wha? Are you serious?
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 It's called airCRM. It does billing and control. It's only hosted in the
 cloud.

 How could UBNT go this long without a functional control platform only to
 fuck it up this badly?



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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

Us:  We want a working AirControl for our Ubnt gear!!!

Ubnt:  Here is a solution to a problem you didn't have.

Me:  *facepalm*


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wrote:

 Wha? Are you serious?
 On Dec 1, 2014 3:09 PM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote:

 It's called airCRM. It does billing and control. It's only hosted in the
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 How could UBNT go this long without a functional control platform only to
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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

2014-12-01 Thread Mike Hammett

Completely. It's on their forum now. There have only been one or two people on 
the forum that have supported that decision (or at least not gone against it). 
Everyone else I've talked to grabs the flame thrower. 



Now in order to use this flaming cloud of shit we must move a network to 
software that is full of issues... fml 

My head is going to explode 

I just wanted a program to do mass config and firmware that didn't wet the 
fucking bed after 1k devices 

I wouldn't trust UBNT to host all of my customers billing info... Just not 
going to happen 

I don't think that would work... who in their right mind has all there 
infrastructure open to the world? 

I want it to not be cloud based, but locally installed. 

I will never trust them to protect my sensitive info 




There was a post that was like the top 10 reasons to NOT do this in the cloud. 




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From: Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org 
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:11:44 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 


Wha? Are you serious? 
On Dec 1, 2014 3:09 PM, Mike Hammett  wispaubntus...@ics-il.net  wrote: 




It's called airCRM. It does billing and control. It's only hosted in the cloud. 

How could UBNT go this long without a functional control platform only to fuck 
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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

2014-12-01 Thread Adair Winter

Is this the new fools day? DECEMBER FOOLS!
I see nothing on the ubnt site... buuut maybe mike knows something we don't?

I just don't see how this can be true... Most people can't make a VPN work
as it is how the hell am I supposed to depend on this to work if it's not
INSIDE my network?

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 Us:  We want a working AirControl for our Ubnt gear!!!

 Ubnt:  Here is a solution to a problem you didn't have.

 Me:  *facepalm*


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 It's called airCRM. It does billing and control. It's only hosted in the
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 How could UBNT go this long without a functional control platform only
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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome-psyapi2ion=1espv=2es_th=1ie=UTF-8q=ubiquiti%20aircrm
http://community.ubnt.com/t5/Ubiquiti-Announcements-and-News/Announcing-airCRM-The-Ultimate-ISP-Management-Platform/bc-p/1118042
https://aircrm.ubnt.com/#/


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 Is this the new fools day? DECEMBER FOOLS!
 I see nothing on the ubnt site... buuut maybe mike knows something we
 don't?

 I just don't see how this can be true... Most people can't make a VPN work
 as it is how the hell am I supposed to depend on this to work if it's not
 INSIDE my network?

 On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

 Us:  We want a working AirControl for our Ubnt gear!!!

 Ubnt:  Here is a solution to a problem you didn't have.

 Me:  *facepalm*


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  wrote:

 Wha? Are you serious?
 On Dec 1, 2014 3:09 PM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net
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 It's called airCRM. It does billing and control. It's only hosted in
 the cloud.

 How could UBNT go this long without a functional control platform only
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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

On 12/1/14, 13:20, Adair Winter wrote:

 I just don't see how this can be true... Most people can't make a VPN
 work as it is how the hell am I supposed to depend on this to work if
 it's not INSIDE my network?


Why aren't all of your radios open to the internet? You're obviously 
doing it wrong.

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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl


Weare as well

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

On 12/01/2014 12:35 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 12/1/14, 13:16, Josh Luthman wrote:

Us:  We want a working AirControl for our Ubnt gear!!!

Ubnt:  Here is a solution to a problem you didn't have.


I'm still using the original AirControl. It's mostly fine, well, as fine
as fine gets for something UBNT abandoned because of reasons.

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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

Ubnt is about raising attention and getting their stock price up.  I mean
how hard can it be to combine 5.5.10 plus SNMP that's in 5.6 beta.  You
literally have to choose between 5.1 band or SNMP right now.  I'm no
software developer but this can't be that difficult!


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On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net
wrote:

 I saw bits and pieces along the way and told them no every time.



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 *To: *ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Monday, December 1, 2014 3:37:55 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

 I'm not sure how much I can say on this topic, but I will say that over a
 year ago when this was proposed everyone told them (to their faces) NO,
 we do not want this.

 josh reynolds :: chief information officer
 spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

 On 12/01/2014 12:35 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 I don't know how anyone could read their target market this badly.

 It's like Ferrari or Lamborghini coming out with something to compete with
 the Geo Metro.



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 *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org ubnt_users@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Monday, December 1, 2014 3:09:39 PM
 *Subject: *[Ubnt_users] New airControl

 It's called airCRM. It does billing and control. It's only hosted in the
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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

2014-12-01 Thread Mathew Howard

5.6 beta 5 actually does support the 5.1 band.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Josh Luthman [j...@imaginenetworksllc.com]
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 3:42 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

Ubnt is about raising attention and getting their stock price up.  I mean how 
hard can it be to combine 5.5.10 plus SNMP that's in 5.6 beta.  You literally 
have to choose between 5.1 band or SNMP right now.  I'm no software developer 
but this can't be that difficult!


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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Mike Hammett 
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I saw bits and pieces along the way and told them no every time.



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From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com
To: ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:37:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

I'm not sure how much I can say on this topic, but I will say that over a year 
ago when this was proposed everyone told them (to their faces) NO, we do not 
want this.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com

On 12/01/2014 12:35 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I don't know how anyone could read their target market this badly.

It's like Ferrari or Lamborghini coming out with something to compete with the 
Geo Metro.



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From: Mike Hammett 
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To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:09:39 PM
Subject: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

It's called airCRM. It does billing and control. It's only hosted in the cloud.

How could UBNT go this long without a functional control platform only to fuck 
it up this badly?



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It surprises me that they did not ask wispa.  They are on this group.  Who 
better to tell them what wisps are looking for.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mike Hammett 
  To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
  Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 1:40 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

  I saw bits and pieces along the way and told them no every time.

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  To: ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org
  Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:37:55 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

  I'm not sure how much I can say on this topic, but I will say that over a 
year ago when this was proposed everyone told them (to their faces) NO, we do 
not want this.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comOn 12/01/2014 12:35 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I don't know how anyone could read their target market this badly.

It's like Ferrari or Lamborghini coming out with something to compete with 
the Geo Metro.

-
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http://www.ics-il.com

From: Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:09:39 PM
Subject: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

It's called airCRM. It does billing and control. It's only hosted in the 
cloud.

How could UBNT go this long without a functional control platform only to 
fuck it up this badly?

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That doesn't surprise me at all :/

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
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On 12/01/2014 03:14 PM, Kees H wrote:
It surprises me that they did not ask wispa.  They are on this group.  
Who better to tell them what wisps are looking for.


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*To:* Ubiquiti Users Group mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
*Sent:* Monday, December 01, 2014 1:40 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

I saw bits and pieces along the way and told them no every time.



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*From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
mailto:j...@spitwspots.com
*To: *ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org
mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
*Sent: *Monday, December 1, 2014 3:37:55 PM
*Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

I'm not sure how much I can say on this topic, but I will say that
over a year ago when this was proposed everyone told them (to
their faces) NO, we do not want this.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com

On 12/01/2014 12:35 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I don't know how anyone could read their target market this badly.

It's like Ferrari or Lamborghini coming out with something to
compete with the Geo Metro.



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*From: *Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net
*To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
*Sent: *Monday, December 1, 2014 3:09:39 PM
*Subject: *[Ubnt_users] New airControl

It's called airCRM. It does billing and control. It's only
hosted in the cloud.

How could UBNT go this long without a functional control
platform only to fuck it up this badly?



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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

2014-12-01 Thread Mike Hammett

They have my e-mail address. They have the e-mail addresses for all of us at 
The Brothers WISP. It's not like we're idiots. We'll gladly tell them what we 
want and what they should\shouldn't do. They haven't taken us up on that offer. 




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From: Kees H wi...@calbroadband.com 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org 
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 6:14:42 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 

 
It surprises me that they did not ask wispa. They are on this group. Who better 
to tell them what wisps are looking for. 





- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 1:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 


I saw bits and pieces along the way and told them no every time. 




- 
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- Original Message -

From: Josh Reynolds  j...@spitwspots.com  
To: ubnt users  ubnt_users@wispa.org  
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:37:55 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 


I'm not sure how much I can say on this topic, but I will say that over a year 
ago when this was proposed everyone t old them (to their faces) NO, we do not 
want this. 
josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/01/2014 12:35 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 

blockquote

I don't know how anyone could read their target market this badly. 

It's like Ferrari or Lamborghini coming out with something to compete with the 
Geo Metro. 




- 
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From: Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net 
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org 
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:09:39 PM 
Subject: [Ubnt_users] New airControl 


It's called airCRM. It does billing and control. It's only hosted in the cloud. 

How could UBNT go this long without a functional control platform only to fuck 
it up this badly? 




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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

On 12/1/14, 16:44, Kees H wrote:
 Why would I waste public ips on my radios, so ubnt can have control of my
 radios?  Don't they know ARIN is running out of IPv4 addresses?


But it's CLOUD.

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Oh and their cloud solution does not need to be hacked. What about a
disgruntled ubnt employee changing all the ssid's, logins and passwords of
all the connected cloud solution radios. Do I hear Taps playing?

Most ISPs in general like our management network to stay... private.
These are probably the same people who run everything in one broadcast
domain.

As I said on the forums, if my network AC server gets hacked, that's my
problem. If their cloud solution has an exploit in it, then its
everyone's problem.

On 12/1/2014 7:31 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
They have my e-mail address. They have the e-mail addresses for all of
us at The Brothers WISP. It's not like we're idiots. We'll gladly tell
them what we want and what they should\shouldn't do. They haven't
taken us up on that offer.

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*From: *Kees H wi...@calbroadband.com
*To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
*Sent: *Monday, December 1, 2014 6:14:42 PM
*Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

It surprises me that they did not ask wispa. They are on this group.
Who better to tell them what wisps are looking for.

- Original Message -
*From:* Mike Hammett mailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net
*To:* Ubiquiti Users Group mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
*Sent:* Monday, December 01, 2014 1:40 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

I saw bits and pieces along the way and told them no every time.

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*From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
mailto:j...@spitwspots.com
*To: *ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org
mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
*Sent: *Monday, December 1, 2014 3:37:55 PM
*Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

I'm not sure how much I can say on this topic, but I will say that
over a year ago when this was proposed everyone told them (to
their faces) NO, we do not want this.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com

On 12/01/2014 12:35 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I don't know how anyone could read their target market this
badly.

It's like Ferrari or Lamborghini coming out with something to
compete with the Geo Metro.

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*From: *Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net
*To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
*Sent: *Monday, December 1, 2014 3:09:39 PM
*Subject: *[Ubnt_users] New airControl

It's called airCRM. It does billing and control. It's only
hosted in the cloud.

How could UBNT go this long without a functional control
platform only to fuck it up this badly?

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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

Yup..  That is what those actresses said.  My pictures are safe in the cloud 
after all it is the CLOUD.


 On 12/1/14, 16:44, Kees H wrote:
 Why would I waste public ips on my radios, so ubnt can have control of my
 radios?  Don't they know ARIN is running out of IPv4 addresses?


 But it's CLOUD.

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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

2014-12-01 Thread Bryan Robinson

But, 
UBNT said the their cloud is safe and no one can hack the cloud... They also
said DFS is coming to NBeams soon  Why won't you believe ???


Bryan Robinson



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Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 6:53 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl



 On Dec 1, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Kees H wi...@calbroadband.com wrote:
 
 Yup..  That is what those actresses said.  My pictures are safe in the 
 cloud after all it is the CLOUD.
 
 
 On 12/1/14, 16:44, Kees H wrote:
 Why would I waste public ips on my radios, so ubnt can have control 
 of my radios?  Don't they know ARIN is running out of IPv4 addresses?
 
 
 But it's CLOUD.
 
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*shrug*

Because they did

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
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On 12/01/2014 12:36 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
That looks like it would be a great solution for a wisp with, oh say, 
50 customers and no intention of growing...


That looks really terrible. Why would they think that was a good idea?

*From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on 
behalf of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]

*Sent:* Monday, December 01, 2014 3:35 PM
*To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

I don't know how anyone could read their target market this badly.

It's like Ferrari or Lamborghini coming out with something to compete 
with the Geo Metro.




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*From: *Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net
*To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
*Sent: *Monday, December 1, 2014 3:09:39 PM
*Subject: *[Ubnt_users] New airControl

It's called airCRM. It does billing and control. It's only hosted in 
the cloud.


How could UBNT go this long without a functional control platform only 
to fuck it up this badly?




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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

On 12/1/14, 13:35, Mike Hammett wrote:
 I don't know how anyone could read their target market this badly.


But are we really their target market?

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2014-12-01 Thread Chris Ruschmann

There were several of us in the Alpha that told em it's a bad idea. They
wouldn't even acknowledge the fact we didn't want it. Al requests for a
local versions were ignored and not responded too.

My theory is Data Mining for investor relations.



-Original Message-
From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kees H
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:48 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

Oh and their cloud solution does not need to be hacked.  What about a
disgruntled ubnt employee changing all the ssid's, logins and passwords of
all the connected cloud solution radios.  Do I hear Taps playing?



 Most ISPs in general like our management network to stay... private.
 These are probably the same people who run everything in one broadcast
 domain.

 As I said on the forums, if my network AC server gets hacked, that's
 my problem. If their cloud solution has an exploit in it, then its
 everyone's problem.

 On 12/1/2014 7:31 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 They have my e-mail address. They have the e-mail addresses for all
 of us at The Brothers WISP. It's not like we're idiots. We'll gladly
 tell them what we want and what they should\shouldn't do. They
 haven't taken us up on that offer.



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 t-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL

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 *From: *Kees H wi...@calbroadband.com
 *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Monday, December 1, 2014 6:14:42 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

 
 It surprises me that they did not ask wispa. They are on this group.
 Who better to tell them what wisps are looking for.

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Mike Hammett mailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net
 *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
 *Sent:* Monday, December 01, 2014 1:40 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

 I saw bits and pieces along the way and told them no every time.



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 *From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
 mailto:j...@spitwspots.com
 *To: *ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org
 mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Monday, December 1, 2014 3:37:55 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

 I'm not sure how much I can say on this topic, but I will say that
 over a year ago when this was proposed everyone told them (to
 their faces) NO, we do not want this.

 josh reynolds :: chief information officer
 spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com

 On 12/01/2014 12:35 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 I don't know how anyone could read their target market this
 badly.

 It's like Ferrari or Lamborghini coming out with something to
 compete with the Geo Metro.



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 t-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL

 
 
 *From: *Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net
 *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Monday, December 1, 2014 3:09:39 PM
 *Subject: *[Ubnt_users] New airControl

 It's called airCRM. It does billing and control. It's only
 hosted in the cloud.

 How could UBNT go this long without a functional control
 platform only to fuck it up this badly?



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Because they listened to the people on their forum



  That looks like it would be a great solution for a wisp with, oh say, 50 
customers and no intention of growing...

  That looks really terrible. Why would they think that was a good idea? 


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  From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf 
of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
  Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 3:35 PM
  To: Ubiquiti Users Group
  Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl


  I don't know how anyone could read their target market this badly.

  It's like Ferrari or Lamborghini coming out with something to compete with 
the Geo Metro.




  -
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  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com





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  From: Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net
  To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
  Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:09:39 PM
  Subject: [Ubnt_users] New airControl


  It's called airCRM. It does billing and control. It's only hosted in the 
cloud.

  How could UBNT go this long without a functional control platform only to 
fuck it up this badly?




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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

elaborate please.

 
 
 But are we really their target market?
 
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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl


No one in the SU group or the pre-SU group did either.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

On 12/01/2014 04:18 PM, Chris Ruschmann wrote:


Noone on the forum asked for this.

*From:*ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Kees H

*Sent:* Monday, December 1, 2014 4:17 PM
*To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

Because they listened to the people on their forum

That looks like it would be a great solution for a wisp with, oh
say, 50 customers and no intention of growing...

That looks really terrible. Why would they think that was a good
idea?



*From:*ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Mike Hammett
[wispaubntus...@ics-il.net mailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
*Sent:* Monday, December 01, 2014 3:35 PM
*To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

I don't know how anyone could read their target market this badly.

It's like Ferrari or Lamborghini coming out with something to
compete with the Geo Metro.



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*From: *Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net
mailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net
*To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
*Sent: *Monday, December 1, 2014 3:09:39 PM
*Subject: *[Ubnt_users] New airControl

It's called airCRM. It does billing and control. It's only hosted
in the cloud.

How could UBNT go this long without a functional control platform
only to fuck it up this badly?



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Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

Heck they just have to hack it.  Who needs to ask politely anymore these days?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Reynolds 
  To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
  Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 5:19 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

  I wonder if it's possible for the FCC to come in and say Before you removed 
compliance test there was a bunch of compliance test gear out there running 
illegally. We'd like to 'audit' your cloud and see how many people are still 
doing that... for your own good.

  Probably unlikely, but with that level of data collection - who knows. A lot 
of things become possible.

  /tin_foil_hat

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comOn 12/01/2014 04:15 PM, Chris Ruschmann wrote:

There were several of us in the Alpha that told em it's a bad idea. They
wouldn't even acknowledge the fact we didn't want it. Al requests for a
local versions were ignored and not responded too.

My theory is Data Mining for investor relations.

-Original Message-
From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kees H
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:48 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

Oh and their cloud solution does not need to be hacked.  What about a
disgruntled ubnt employee changing all the ssid's, logins and passwords of
all the connected cloud solution radios.  Do I hear Taps playing?

Most ISPs in general like our management network to stay... private.
These are probably the same people who run everything in one broadcast
domain.

As I said on the forums, if my network AC server gets hacked, that's
my problem. If their cloud solution has an exploit in it, then its
everyone's problem.

On 12/1/2014 7:31 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
They have my e-mail address. They have the e-mail addresses for all
of us at The Brothers WISP. It's not like we're idiots. We'll gladly
tell them what we want and what they should\shouldn't do. They
haven't taken us up on that offer.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+Intelligent
ComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligen
t-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL

-
---
*From: *Kees H wi...@calbroadband.com
*To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
*Sent: *Monday, December 1, 2014 6:14:42 PM
*Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

It surprises me that they did not ask wispa. They are on this group.
Who better to tell them what wisps are looking for.

- Original Message -
*From:* Mike Hammett mailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net
*To:* Ubiquiti Users Group mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
*Sent:* Monday, December 01, 2014 1:40 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

I saw bits and pieces along the way and told them no every time.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+Intelligent
ComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligen
t-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL

*From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
mailto:j...@spitwspots.com
*To: *ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org
mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org
*Sent: *Monday, December 1, 2014 3:37:55 PM
*Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

I'm not sure how much I can say on this topic, but I will say that
over a year ago when this was proposed everyone told them (to
their faces) NO, we do not want this.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com

On 12/01/2014 12:35 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I don't know how anyone could read their target market this
badly.

It's like Ferrari or Lamborghini coming out with something to
compete with the Geo Metro.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+Intelligent
ComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligen
t-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL

*From: *Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net
*To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org
*Sent: *Monday, December 1, 2014 3:09:39 PM
*Subject: *[Ubnt_users] New airControl

It's called airCRM. It does billing and control. It's only
hosted in the cloud.

How could UBNT go this long without a functional control
platform only to fuck it up this badly?

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [Ubnt_users] New airControl

On 12/1/14, 6:14 PM, Tom Fadgen wrote:
 I am sure glad that I own my business; and that said, as a business
 owner I look to make choices from those available; not cry over what is not!
 One thing is going to solve this problem, the one with UBNT not listing
 to their customers and providing a lot of shit we do not want or need
 from them.


Shareholders might want it.

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Well said Tom!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 1, 2014 9:15 PM, Tom Fadgen tfad...@coastinet.com wrote:

  I am sure glad that I own my business; and that said, as a business
 owner I look to make choices from those available; not cry over what is not!
 One thing is going to solve this problem, the one with UBNT not listing to
 their customers and providing a lot of shit we do not want or need from
 them.
 That is competition; plan and simple.

 I love the folks at UBNT for what they have done, disrupting the wireless
 infrastructure market. They kicked Motorola's ass and took market share
 at an alarming rate. Motorola was big and bloated with unnecessary
 overhead and products that were overpriced and underperformed.

 Here is what I do not like since their release of Airmax:
 * Took way too much time enabling DFS frequencies on original equipment
 * Bug ridden firmware releases
 * Lack of supply of their Products
 * Half baked attempts with Management Tools AC1, AC2
 * Lack/Poor support of SNMP so we can do it better with other tools
 * Lower/DFS and UNII1 support for Nanobeam
 * Still no AIRMAX version 2.0 equipment or whatever they want to name
 it(I have not signed an NDA)
 * Lack of focus on WISP Core needs, gave us routers, when we all use
 Mikrotik, gave us cameras, when were not asking and now a billing platform
 when I already have one and love it!
 We can all add to this list...

 Now back to the competition deal, Cambium showed the redesigned Force 100,
 now called force 110 at WISPAPALOZZA 2014 and less than 45 days later I
 received it. Last year they announced the ePMP 1000 line right before
 WISPAPALOZZA and I ordered it while at the show and had it waiting for me
 at the office when I returned. I did some testing for about a week and
 switched 35 customers over and had not one complaint from them, only my
 tech's because the web interface was buggy. I just wonder if Cambium(no
 NDA's here either) just might beat UBNT with a faster/enhanced ePMP before
 UBNT gets their new stuff together.

 Now, here's to Cambium -- may you be extremely successful and on time with
 your road map.

 Now , here's to MIMOSA -- may you deliver on what you promised, both
 technically and on time(looking kind of bad so far on the time deal Jaime).

 Now, here's to UBNT -- may you find your way home back to your original
 market, the WISPS's before Wall Street crushes you for not making your
 numbers again! You had your chance to crush your heavyweight champion but
 you gave them time to come back
 and maybe, kick some UBNT 

 Now, I am seriously rooting  for them all, we need competition, it is
 healthy for our industry.

 Tom Fadgen
 coastinet.com





 On 12/1/2014 1:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 It's called airCRM. It does billing and control. It's only hosted in the
 cloud.

 How could UBNT go this long without a functional control platform only to
 fuck it up this badly?



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Excellent write-up.

I feel UBNT has kind of lost their way in certain areas. I don't 
understand mFi at all. UBNT-Vision (aircam stuff) is kind of a 
messstill. ToughSwitch debacle, green cable (tough lesson for us/them to 
learn), etc.


AF24 is great. AF5 is... can be great in the right situation. EdgeSwitch 
... needs alot of cli/gui work, but the features are there. 
EdgeRouter-lite... amazing performance out of a $99 device. EdgeRouter 
is 2Mpps and about $80 cheaper than a CCR1009-8G-1S, but it does miss 
some of the nice mikrotik tools. ER is rumoured to have MPLS and very 
likely MPLS-TE soon. USG/US is cool, very meraki-ish. The phones... 
some of the best I've ever seen hardware wise, but it'll be interesting 
to see if Enterprise is really ready for Android on the desk...


AirMax-AC shipping now in PtP... very good throughput, needs that DFS 
and lower band. Real-time airview is amazing. Can't wait for the full 
version with AirPrism tech. TDMA offloading will be very nice for PtMP.


There's some hit and miss for sure. I just wish there was more hit and 
less miss.


josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

On 12/01/2014 05:14 PM, Tom Fadgen wrote:
I am sure glad that I own my business; and that said, as a business 
owner I look to make choices from those available; not cry over what 
is not!
One thing is going to solve this problem, the one with UBNT not 
listing to their customers and providing a lot of shit we do not want 
or need from them.

That is competition; plan and simple.

I love the folks at UBNT for what they have done, disrupting the 
wireless infrastructure market. They kicked Motorola's ass and took 
market share
at an alarming rate. Motorola was big and bloated with unnecessary 
overhead and products that were overpriced and underperformed.


Here is what I do not like since their release of Airmax:
* Took way too much time enabling DFS frequencies on original 
equipment

* Bug ridden firmware releases
* Lack of supply of their Products
* Half baked attempts with Management Tools AC1, AC2
* Lack/Poor support of SNMP so we can do it better with other tools
* Lower/DFS and UNII1 support for Nanobeam
* Still no AIRMAX version 2.0 equipment or whatever they want to 
name it(I have not signed an NDA)
* Lack of focus on WISP Core needs, gave us routers, when we all 
use Mikrotik, gave us cameras, when were not asking and now a billing 
platform when I already have one and love it!

We can all add to this list...

Now back to the competition deal, Cambium showed the redesigned Force 
100, now called force 110 at WISPAPALOZZA 2014 and less than 45 days 
later I received it. Last year they announced the ePMP 1000 line right 
before WISPAPALOZZA and I ordered it while at the show and had it 
waiting for me at the office when I returned. I did some testing for 
about a week and switched 35 customers over and had not one complaint 
from them, only my tech's because the web interface was buggy. I just 
wonder if Cambium(no NDA's here either) just might beat UBNT with a 
faster/enhanced ePMP before UBNT gets their new stuff together.


Now, here's to Cambium -- may you be extremely successful and on time 
with your road map.


Now , here's to MIMOSA -- may you deliver on what you promised, both 
technically and on time(looking kind of bad so far on the time deal 
Jaime).


Now, here's to UBNT -- may you find your way home back to your 
original market, the WISPS's before Wall Street crushes you for not 
making your numbers again! You had your chance to crush your 
heavyweight champion but
you gave them time to come 
back and maybe, kick some UBNT 


Now, I am seriously rooting  for them all, we need competition, it is 
healthy for our industry.


Tom Fadgen
coastinet.com





On 12/1/2014 1:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
It's called airCRM. It does billing and control. It's only hosted in 
the cloud.


How could UBNT go this long without a functional control platform 
only to fuck it up this badly?




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