Re: Accessible Install... Continued

[Paul Hunt]

Okay,

So if I want to try and improve this procedure for future versions of 
Ubuntu, how might I best go about it?

Thanks.
Paul

On 13/08/10 00:59, Luke Yelavich wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 09:47:07AM EST, Paul Hunt wrote:
>
>> According to Charlie's answer, to my question about what happens when
>> you boot the live CD, the first screen that comes up gives you the
>> choice of language + buttons for choosing either an install or a live
>> session.
>>
>> So how do you specify accessibility options?
>>  
> When the CD boots, there is a small period of time when you can press a key, 
> which will bring up the traditional languae options and the chance to select 
> an accessibility profile. Visually, there is a small iamge on the bottom of 
> the screen. Unfortunately I don't have any good ideas as to how one could 
> know when to press a key to be able to bypass the language selectino, and 
> select an accessibility profile,
>
> Luke
>
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Re: Accessible Install... Continued

[Luke Yelavich]

On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 09:47:07AM EST, Paul Hunt wrote:
> According to Charlie's answer, to my question about what happens when 
> you boot the live CD, the first screen that comes up gives you the 
> choice of language + buttons for choosing either an install or a live 
> session.
> 
> So how do you specify accessibility options?

When the CD boots, there is a small period of time when you can press a key, 
which will bring up the traditional languae options and the chance to select an 
accessibility profile. Visually, there is a small iamge on the bottom of the 
screen. Unfortunately I don't have any good ideas as to how one could know when 
to press a key to be able to bypass the language selectino, and select an 
accessibility profile,

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Accessible Install... Continued

[Paul Hunt]

Hi,

Sorry but I still haven't got an adequate answer to this.

According to Charlie's answer, to my question about what happens when 
you boot the live CD, the first screen that comes up gives you the 
choice of language + buttons for choosing either an install or a live 
session.

So how do you specify accessibility options?

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[mattias]

yes i have owned a mac 
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Good evening, 

VMWare Fusion is a virtualization application for the Mac.  It has an "Easy
Install" option that will install Ubuntu for you as a virtual machine, it
takes you up to the login screen, where all you need to do is provide your
password (which you give VMWare Fusion when you start the install).  It is
all very easy and accessible.

But once again, this only works if you are planning to virtualize Ubuntu
using VMWare on a Mac.

HTH,




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On 2010-08-12, at 7:28 PM, mattias wrote:


and how do you do a quick install without to look on the screen?

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For anyone interested and using a Mac... 

My temporary solution was to load Ubuntu in VMWare Fusion.  I used the ISO
and selected the "Quick INstall" option.  After about 5 - 10 minutes I heard
the login prompt and logged in (no speach) with the credentials I gave
VMWare for the Easy Install.

After that it is a simple Options F2 to open the Launch programs dialog.
Type Orca and press enter.  This will start the Orca setup.

HTH,




Everett Zufelt

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On 2010-08-12, at 6:59 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote:


On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:57:34PM EST, E.J. Zufelt wrote:


Hi,



Curious if there are any plans to make the accessible installation of the
next release of Ubuntu more accessible?



Ubiquity is undergoing a UI redesign, so hopefully things will be better
than in the past. I still need to try and get speech working in ubiquity
mode properly.



My thought is that instead of he rather precise timing required now to
access the accessibility options that a keystroke could be used on the first
page of the installer (once the Live CD loads) to activate the options.
Perhaps there is a technical limitation that would prevent this of which I
am unaware.



There is indeed a technical limitation, and it has to do with the way the
infrastructure is brought up, and the specific order in which this has to be
done. Once the installer is running, you can't bring up the accessibility
infrastructure without completely reloading the installer.

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Re: SV: Accessible install in next release of Ubuntu

[E.J. Zufelt]

Good evening,

VMWare Fusion is a virtualization application for the Mac.  It has an "Easy 
Install" option that will install Ubuntu for you as a virtual machine, it takes 
you up to the login screen, where all you need to do is provide your password 
(which you give VMWare Fusion when you start the install).  It is all very easy 
and accessible.

But once again, this only works if you are planning to virtualize Ubuntu using 
VMWare on a Mac.

HTH,
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On 2010-08-12, at 7:28 PM, mattias wrote:

> and how do you do a quick install without to look on the screen?
> -Ursprungligt meddelande-
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> [mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] För E.J. Zufelt
> Skickat: den 13 augusti 2010 01:24
> Till: Luke Yelavich
> Kopia: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> Ämne: Re: Accessible install in next release of Ubuntu
> 
> For anyone interested and using a Mac...
> 
> My temporary solution was to load Ubuntu in VMWare Fusion.  I used the ISO 
> and selected the "Quick INstall" option.  After about 5 - 10 minutes I heard 
> the login prompt and logged in (no speach) with the credentials I gave VMWare 
> for the Easy Install.
> 
> After that it is a simple Options F2 to open the Launch programs dialog.  
> Type Orca and press enter.  This will start the Orca setup.
> 
> HTH,
> Everett Zufelt
> http://zufelt.ca
> 
> Follow me on Twitter
> http://twitter.com/ezufelt
> 
> View my LinkedIn Profile
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt
> 
> 
> 
> On 2010-08-12, at 6:59 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:57:34PM EST, E.J. Zufelt wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Curious if there are any plans to make the accessible installation of the 
>>> next release of Ubuntu more accessible?
>> 
>> Ubiquity is undergoing a UI redesign, so hopefully things will be better 
>> than in the past. I still need to try and get speech working in ubiquity 
>> mode properly.
>> 
>>> My thought is that instead of he rather precise timing required now to 
>>> access the accessibility options that a keystroke could be used on the 
>>> first page of the installer (once the Live CD loads) to activate the 
>>> options.  Perhaps there is a technical limitation that would prevent this 
>>> of which I am unaware.
>> 
>> There is indeed a technical limitation, and it has to do with the way the 
>> infrastructure is brought up, and the specific order in which this has to be 
>> done. Once the installer is running, you can't bring up the accessibility 
>> infrastructure without completely reloading the installer.
>> 
>> Luke
>> 
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[mattias]

and how do you do a quick install without to look on the screen?

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[mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] För E.J. Zufelt
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Till: Luke Yelavich
Kopia: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
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For anyone interested and using a Mac... 

My temporary solution was to load Ubuntu in VMWare Fusion.  I used the ISO
and selected the "Quick INstall" option.  After about 5 - 10 minutes I heard
the login prompt and logged in (no speach) with the credentials I gave
VMWare for the Easy Install.

After that it is a simple Options F2 to open the Launch programs dialog.
Type Orca and press enter.  This will start the Orca setup.

HTH,




Everett Zufelt

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On 2010-08-12, at 6:59 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote:


On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:57:34PM EST, E.J. Zufelt wrote:


Hi,



Curious if there are any plans to make the accessible installation of the
next release of Ubuntu more accessible?



Ubiquity is undergoing a UI redesign, so hopefully things will be better
than in the past. I still need to try and get speech working in ubiquity
mode properly.



My thought is that instead of he rather precise timing required now to
access the accessibility options that a keystroke could be used on the first
page of the installer (once the Live CD loads) to activate the options.
Perhaps there is a technical limitation that would prevent this of which I
am unaware.



There is indeed a technical limitation, and it has to do with the way the
infrastructure is brought up, and the specific order in which this has to be
done. Once the installer is running, you can't bring up the accessibility
infrastructure without completely reloading the installer.

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Re: Accessible install in next release of Ubuntu

[E.J. Zufelt]

For anyone interested and using a Mac...

My temporary solution was to load Ubuntu in VMWare Fusion.  I used the ISO and 
selected the "Quick INstall" option.  After about 5 - 10 minutes I heard the 
login prompt and logged in (no speach) with the credentials I gave VMWare for 
the Easy Install.

After that it is a simple Options F2 to open the Launch programs dialog.  Type 
Orca and press enter.  This will start the Orca setup.

HTH,
Everett Zufelt
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On 2010-08-12, at 6:59 PM, Luke Yelavich wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:57:34PM EST, E.J. Zufelt wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Curious if there are any plans to make the accessible installation of the 
>> next release of Ubuntu more accessible?
> 
> Ubiquity is undergoing a UI redesign, so hopefully things will be better than 
> in the past. I still need to try and get speech working in ubiquity mode 
> properly.
> 
>> My thought is that instead of he rather precise timing required now to 
>> access the accessibility options that a keystroke could be used on the first 
>> page of the installer (once the Live CD loads) to activate the options.  
>> Perhaps there is a technical limitation that would prevent this of which I 
>> am unaware.
> 
> There is indeed a technical limitation, and it has to do with the way the 
> infrastructure is brought up, and the specific order in which this has to be 
> done. Once the installer is running, you can't bring up the accessibility 
> infrastructure without completely reloading the installer.
> 
> Luke
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[mattias]

and add brltty to installer again

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Ämne: Accessible install in next release of Ubuntu


Hi, 

Curious if there are any plans to make the accessible installation of the
next release of Ubuntu more accessible?

My thought is that instead of he rather precise timing required now to
access the accessibility options that a keystroke could be used on the first
page of the installer (once the Live CD loads) to activate the options.
Perhaps there is a technical limitation that would prevent this of which I
am unaware.

Thanks,




Everett Zufelt

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Accessible install in next release of Ubuntu

[E.J. Zufelt]

Hi,

Curious if there are any plans to make the accessible installation of the next 
release of Ubuntu more accessible?

My thought is that instead of he rather precise timing required now to access 
the accessibility options that a keystroke could be used on the first page of 
the installer (once the Live CD loads) to activate the options.  Perhaps there 
is a technical limitation that would prevent this of which I am unaware.

Thanks,
Everett Zufelt
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Re: Meetings

[Luke Yelavich]

On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 02:48:57AM EST, Penelope Stowe wrote:
> I apologize for not being good at getting logs up after meetings, but
> the meeting logs from the last meeting are up at
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingLogs/20100630
> 
> Our next meeting will be Wednesday August 18, 2010 at 21:00 UTC.
> 
> If no one has any major complaints, I'd like to propose that meetings
> be the 3rd Wednesday of the month at 21:00 UTC.

This works for me.

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Re: Accessible install in next release of Ubuntu

[Luke Yelavich]

On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 11:49:13PM EST, Chris Legg wrote:
>  The installer would not have any sound drivers loaded so speech
> output wouldn't be possible.

This is incorrect. Whenever your system boots, if a sound card is found, and 
the kernel has the driver for it, sound will be available.

> However I believe you can run a live desktop from the CD without
> installing, so you might be able to launch Orca and run the
> graphical installer that way.

Yes, this is possible.

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Re: Accessible install in next release of Ubuntu

[Luke Yelavich]

On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:57:34PM EST, E.J. Zufelt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Curious if there are any plans to make the accessible installation of the 
> next release of Ubuntu more accessible?

Ubiquity is undergoing a UI redesign, so hopefully things will be better than 
in the past. I still need to try and get speech working in ubiquity mode 
properly.

> My thought is that instead of he rather precise timing required now to access 
> the accessibility options that a keystroke could be used on the first page of 
> the installer (once the Live CD loads) to activate the options.  Perhaps 
> there is a technical limitation that would prevent this of which I am unaware.

There is indeed a technical limitation, and it has to do with the way the 
infrastructure is brought up, and the specific order in which this has to be 
done. Once the installer is running, you can't bring up the accessibility 
infrastructure without completely reloading the installer.

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Re: Meetings

[Phillip Whiteside]

Hi,

I'm really sorry about this, but I've just started a new job. So will most
likely be working (I run Pubs / Bars). I will try to get cover for the time
the meeting is on. Please do not think I ignore the mailing list, I am
committed to accessibility.

If anyone would like help on the mine-field that is getting a web-site up to
'AAA' standards, or would help with those who need people to test, please do
let me know. My wiki page is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw which has
both my aims and links to what I've done with the help of people here and at
another accessibity forum http://www.accessifyforum.com/ . I'd really like
to spread the word, so please do tell me how I can help. (I'm not a computer
programmer, just a web-site (php / xhtml / css) person trying to learn how
to get sites to conform).

Regards,

Phill.

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>
> > I apologize for not being good at getting logs up after meetings, but
> > the meeting logs from the last meeting are up at
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingLogs/20100630
> >
> > Our next meeting will be Wednesday August 18, 2010 at 21:00 UTC.
> >
> > If no one has any major complaints, I'd like to propose that meetings
> > be the 3rd Wednesday of the month at 21:00 UTC.
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > Penelope
> >
>
> I will second that motion. Having a regular schedule for the meetings
> certainly helps.
>
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accessible ubuntu startup

[Josh Kennedy]

Hi
I think I know how the mac works like that. When the mac starts up it starts a 
timer in the background which counts down maybe 10 or 20 seconds or so. If you 
do nothing, it triggers voiceover to start up. first it plays some audio files 
of a guy saying: if you are blind and want to use voiceover press command f5. I 
think ubuntu could be made more like vinux make shortcuts to start orca and 
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Re: Accessible install in next release of Ubuntu

[E.J. Zufelt]

Really thankful for the responses thus far.

I think that what Paul and I are looking for though is for Ubuntu to be 
Universally Accessible, so that we don't need to download a different 
distribution or ask someone else for assistance with installation.  Wouldn't it 
be great if Ubuntu could be easily installed and configured by the blind, 
without guessing at when to press a key or having to ask for assistance?

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On 2010-08-12, at 2:31 PM, Maurice McCarthy wrote:

> Paul,
> 
> As a sighted person I was having trouble getting audacity verbal
> recording to work on Lucid Lynx until I chanced across Vinux (Linux
> for the Visually Impaired based on Lucid Lynx.) Vinux comes
> preconfigured in ways I found very useful. It is also the test bed for
> the accessibility options in Ubuntu. But this is a stable release.
> 
> If you do nothing the Vinux-3.0 DVD boots into the live mode with a 10
> second delay. Booting took about 2-3 minutes but there was no sound
> until the Desktop was up and Orca was launched. There are live CD,
> live DVD and live USB versions. These may be downloaded from
> 
> http://vinux.org.uk/downloads.html
> 
> Here is the explanation from http://www.vinux.org.uk/about.html
> 
> Vinux is a remastered version of the popular Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx
> distribution optimised for the needs of blind and partially sighted
> users. By default it provides three screen-readers, two full-screen
> magnifiers, global font-size and colour changing facilities as well as
> support for USB Braille displays. When you boot the live CD you will
> be greeted by the Orca screen-reader/magnifier which enables you to
> navigate the graphical Gnome desktop using keybindings, as well as
> providing full screen-magnification if required.  For those who prefer
> to work in a simple text based console there is the Speakup
> screen-reader and as an emergency backup we have installed YASR, a
> hybrid screen-reader which can be run in either console mode or in a
> virtual terminal on the Gnome desktop. A second full-screen magnifier
> is provided by the Compiz Window Manager, which uses 3D technology to
> allow you to magnify and navigate the whole screen  using the mouse,
> or move a resizable virtual magnifying glass around the screen. The
> Gnome  Desktop Manager itself provides you with global keybindings to
> change the font size and/or the colour scheme on the fly. Finally,
> Brltty provides Grade 1/2 Braille output via the Orca screen-reader.
> By default all of the screen-readers use the same Espeak Speech
> Synthesizer via Speech-Dispatcher which provides a seamless experience
> for the user when switching from one screen-reader to another!
> 
> Best Wishes
> Maurice
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Re: Accessible install in next release of Ubuntu

[Maurice McCarthy]

Paul,

As a sighted person I was having trouble getting audacity verbal
recording to work on Lucid Lynx until I chanced across Vinux (Linux
for the Visually Impaired based on Lucid Lynx.) Vinux comes
preconfigured in ways I found very useful. It is also the test bed for
the accessibility options in Ubuntu. But this is a stable release.

If you do nothing the Vinux-3.0 DVD boots into the live mode with a 10
second delay. Booting took about 2-3 minutes but there was no sound
until the Desktop was up and Orca was launched. There are live CD,
live DVD and live USB versions. These may be downloaded from

http://vinux.org.uk/downloads.html

Here is the explanation from http://www.vinux.org.uk/about.html

Vinux is a remastered version of the popular Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx
distribution optimised for the needs of blind and partially sighted
users. By default it provides three screen-readers, two full-screen
magnifiers, global font-size and colour changing facilities as well as
support for USB Braille displays. When you boot the live CD you will
be greeted by the Orca screen-reader/magnifier which enables you to
navigate the graphical Gnome desktop using keybindings, as well as
providing full screen-magnification if required.  For those who prefer
to work in a simple text based console there is the Speakup
screen-reader and as an emergency backup we have installed YASR, a
hybrid screen-reader which can be run in either console mode or in a
virtual terminal on the Gnome desktop. A second full-screen magnifier
is provided by the Compiz Window Manager, which uses 3D technology to
allow you to magnify and navigate the whole screen  using the mouse,
or move a resizable virtual magnifying glass around the screen. The
Gnome  Desktop Manager itself provides you with global keybindings to
change the font size and/or the colour scheme on the fly. Finally,
Brltty provides Grade 1/2 Braille output via the Orca screen-reader.
By default all of the screen-readers use the same Espeak Speech
Synthesizer via Speech-Dispatcher which provides a seamless experience
for the user when switching from one screen-reader to another!

Best Wishes
Maurice

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Re: Meetings

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On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 12:48:57 -0400
Penelope Stowe  wrote:

> I apologize for not being good at getting logs up after meetings, but
> the meeting logs from the last meeting are up at
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingLogs/20100630
> 
> Our next meeting will be Wednesday August 18, 2010 at 21:00 UTC.
> 
> If no one has any major complaints, I'd like to propose that meetings
> be the 3rd Wednesday of the month at 21:00 UTC.
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Penelope
> 

I will second that motion. Having a regular schedule for the meetings
certainly helps. 

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Re: Accessible install in next release of Ubuntu

[Paul Hunt]

Hi Tara,

Yes I know about how Macs automatically start speech if you don't 
interact with the system.  Basically they assume you can't see the 
screen if you don't do anything after a set period.


It would be great if Ubuntu could be like this or we could at least have 
a system where speech could be enabled at any time with a simple easy to 
remember keypress.


I still don't fully understand how we're (as in blind people) currently 
supposed to get the Ubuntu CD up and talking.


I do have it installed (I'm using it right now) but I would like to try 
and get the developers to make it easier for blind people in future 
versions to get up and running so I need to understand how it works at 
the moment.


Any help appreciated!

Paul


On 12/08/10 18:38, Tara Sawyer wrote:
On Macintosh OS X systems,, if you are at the front boot screen of the 
install screen long enough without touching/typing anything, the 
screen reader software starts up and asks if you need a screen 
reader.  I forget exactly how that works, as I'm sighted, but I could 
go figure it out if it helped someone.


Paul, did you get this figured out? We can work together off list if 
you need more help.


With Love,
Tara

E.J. Zufelt wrote:

Hi,

Curious if there are any plans to make the accessible installation of 
the next release of Ubuntu more accessible?


My thought is that instead of he rather precise timing required now 
to access the accessibility options that a keystroke could be used on 
the first page of the installer (once the Live CD loads) to activate 
the options.  Perhaps there is a technical limitation that would 
prevent this of which I am unaware.


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Re: Accessible install in next release of Ubuntu

[Tara Sawyer]

On Macintosh OS X systems,, if you are at the front boot screen of the 
install screen long enough without touching/typing anything, the screen 
reader software starts up and asks if you need a screen reader.  I 
forget exactly how that works, as I'm sighted, but I could go figure it 
out if it helped someone.


Paul, did you get this figured out? We can work together off list if you 
need more help.


With Love,
Tara

E.J. Zufelt wrote:

Hi,

Curious if there are any plans to make the accessible installation of 
the next release of Ubuntu more accessible?


My thought is that instead of he rather precise timing required now to 
access the accessibility options that a keystroke could be used on the 
first page of the installer (once the Live CD loads) to activate the 
options.  Perhaps there is a technical limitation that would prevent 
this of which I am unaware.


Thanks,
Everett Zufelt
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Re: Accessible install in next release of Ubuntu

[Charlie Kravetz]

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On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 17:54:06 +0100
Paul Hunt  wrote:

> Hi list,
> 
> Could someone sighted please explain exactly what happens when you boot 
> the current (lucid) desktop CD?
> 
> In the previous couple of versions of Ubuntu, the following used to happen;
> 
> 1. You boot the CD.
> 
> 2. Almost immediately the CD stops spinning and you are on a language 
> selection screen.  You press either enter or escape to dismiss it.
> 
> 3. You are now on a screen that lets you either hit enter to boot a live 
> desktop, or down arrow once and hit enter to do an install.  But prior 
> to doing either of these things you could presss F5 to bring up the 
> accessibility options, then choose one by typing a number such as 3 for 
> screen reader, then press enter to confirm it.
> 
> 4. And the CD would then boot into either the desktop or installer with 
> your chosen accessibility mode.
> 
> Now things have changed.
> 
> As I understand it, the CD now starts to boot immediately into a 
> graphical something or other... and at some point you have the option of 
> hitting space to bring up the original accessibility menu?
> 
> I don't understand!  Are there still separate live desktop and install 
> options?
> 
> I've never been able to get the Lucid CD to come up talking into either 
> an installer or the desktop.
> 
> Thanks.
> Paul

Okay, let me try. The Ubuntu 10.04 CD now spins for several seconds
before the first screen comes up. On my computer, that is about 97
seconds. The screen that does come up offers my choice of languages,
and two other buttons. The top button is "Try Ubuntu 10.04 LTS" and the
bottom button is "Install Ubuntu 10.04 LTS". The language selections
are in a scrolling column on the left side of the screen.

Hitting enter on this screen started the installation. 


> On 12/08/10 14:49, Chris Legg wrote:
> > The installer would not have any sound drivers loaded so speech output 
> > wouldn't be possible.
> > However I believe you can run a live desktop from the CD without 
> > installing, so you might be able to launch Orca and run the graphical 
> > installer that way.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12/08/2010 8:57 PM, E.J. Zufelt wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Curious if there are any plans to make the accessible installation of 
> >> the next release of Ubuntu more accessible?
> >>
> >> My thought is that instead of he rather precise timing required now 
> >> to access the accessibility options that a keystroke could be used on 
> >> the first page of the installer (once the Live CD loads) to activate 
> >> the options.  Perhaps there is a technical limitation that would 
> >> prevent this of which I am unaware.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Everett Zufelt
> >> http://zufelt.ca 
> >>
> >> Follow me on Twitter
> >> http://twitter.com/ezufelt
> >>
> >> View my LinkedIn Profile
> >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt
> >>
> >>
> >
> 


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August 18, 2010 Meeting Agenda

[Penelope Stowe]

Hi,

I've updated the wiki (
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingAgenda ) to reflect
the agenda for the next meeting. Please feel free to add to the agenda
with concerns/things you'd like to discuss!

The current agenda:

* Next Steps on Personas
* Status of Wiki
* What's Happening with Devel
* Starting to think about plans for the N-Cycle/UDS?

Thank you!

~Penelope

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Meetings

[Penelope Stowe]

I apologize for not being good at getting logs up after meetings, but
the meeting logs from the last meeting are up at
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingLogs/20100630

Our next meeting will be Wednesday August 18, 2010 at 21:00 UTC.

If no one has any major complaints, I'd like to propose that meetings
be the 3rd Wednesday of the month at 21:00 UTC.

Thank you!

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Re: Accessible install in next release of Ubuntu

[Paul Hunt]

Hi list,

Could someone sighted please explain exactly what happens when you boot 
the current (lucid) desktop CD?


In the previous couple of versions of Ubuntu, the following used to happen;

1. You boot the CD.

2. Almost immediately the CD stops spinning and you are on a language 
selection screen.  You press either enter or escape to dismiss it.


3. You are now on a screen that lets you either hit enter to boot a live 
desktop, or down arrow once and hit enter to do an install.  But prior 
to doing either of these things you could presss F5 to bring up the 
accessibility options, then choose one by typing a number such as 3 for 
screen reader, then press enter to confirm it.


4. And the CD would then boot into either the desktop or installer with 
your chosen accessibility mode.


Now things have changed.

As I understand it, the CD now starts to boot immediately into a 
graphical something or other... and at some point you have the option of 
hitting space to bring up the original accessibility menu?


I don't understand!  Are there still separate live desktop and install 
options?


I've never been able to get the Lucid CD to come up talking into either 
an installer or the desktop.


Thanks.
Paul
On 12/08/10 14:49, Chris Legg wrote:
The installer would not have any sound drivers loaded so speech output 
wouldn't be possible.
However I believe you can run a live desktop from the CD without 
installing, so you might be able to launch Orca and run the graphical 
installer that way.


Chris



On 12/08/2010 8:57 PM, E.J. Zufelt wrote:

Hi,

Curious if there are any plans to make the accessible installation of 
the next release of Ubuntu more accessible?


My thought is that instead of he rather precise timing required now 
to access the accessibility options that a keystroke could be used on 
the first page of the installer (once the Live CD loads) to activate 
the options.  Perhaps there is a technical limitation that would 
prevent this of which I am unaware.


Thanks,
Everett Zufelt
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Re: Accessible install in next release of Ubuntu

[Chris Legg]

 The installer would not have any sound drivers loaded so speech output 
wouldn't be possible.
However I believe you can run a live desktop from the CD without 
installing, so you might be able to launch Orca and run the graphical 
installer that way.


Chris



On 12/08/2010 8:57 PM, E.J. Zufelt wrote:

Hi,

Curious if there are any plans to make the accessible installation of 
the next release of Ubuntu more accessible?


My thought is that instead of he rather precise timing required now to 
access the accessibility options that a keystroke could be used on the 
first page of the installer (once the Live CD loads) to activate the 
options.  Perhaps there is a technical limitation that would prevent 
this of which I am unaware.


Thanks,
Everett Zufelt
http://zufelt.ca 

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Accessible install in next release of Ubuntu

[E.J. Zufelt]

Hi,

Curious if there are any plans to make the accessible installation of the next 
release of Ubuntu more accessible?

My thought is that instead of he rather precise timing required now to access 
the accessibility options that a keystroke could be used on the first page of 
the installer (once the Live CD loads) to activate the options.  Perhaps there 
is a technical limitation that would prevent this of which I am unaware.

Thanks,
Everett Zufelt
http://zufelt.ca

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