What happened with Ubiquity installer accessibility and localization?
Hy, Luke, perhaps Ubiquity Orca script spokening miss informations with Ubiquity installer (11.04), I don't no future possible resolvable the following type problems perhaps Ocelot if Natty Ubiquity installer or script impossible resolving some problems. If I known right, Ubiquity installer is full localized with hungarian language, but I see some interesting problems: 1. Lot of dialogs Orca spokening live_installer dialog titles, and for example some edit boxes, Orca spokening the hungarian edit box label (for example the computer host setting) and spokening an english label (host:). I don't remember all miss spokened dialog widgets, but lot of time happening this problem. This type problem is Orca ubiquity script related problem, or a mistake design with Ubiquity main dialogs? If I have a sighted assistance, I will be look what labels real presenting the phisical screen this problematic dialogs for hungarian language output. An another example is the timezone setting dialog, with Orca spokening an interesting label text for selected time zone. 2. I don't no why, but now Orca doesn't spokening installation progress bar, and doesn't possible looking what percentage are completed with installation. The progress bar is removed with Ubiquity gtk frontend dialog? I think this is not Orca script specific problem. Except this type problems I succesfuly installed with a modified Ubuntu Natty live DVD, now I typed Natty system this e-mail. What components need reporting this type problems to fix all this type problems with future Ocelot? With modified live DVD I passed the isolinux/txt.cfg with following boot parameters: access=v3 -- debian-installer/language=hu keyboard-configuration/layoutcode=hu Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Ubiquity installer accessibility and localization?
Hy, Now I looked an english language environment the Ubiquity installer and Orca improvement. For example, before with partitioning window, I selected the following radiobutton: Erase disk and install Ubuntu Orca spokening following text: Erase disk and install Ubuntu use_device radiobutton selected Other radiobutton example, real label: Install Ubuntu alongside them Orca spokening following text: Install Ubuntu alongside them resize_user_free radiobutton selected I prewious tryed attaching a screen shot how looks real the tested dialog window, but not fit the list limit the attachment. Safe I remove the bigger letter to not disturb the list to duplicate get this answer. This interesting objects texts real seeing the screen, or only Orca ubiquity script spokening this objects identifiers? Luke, possible fix this type issue for a next gnome-orca maintenance version, or the problem is harder fix and need accepting now this working method? Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Ubiquity installer accessibility and localization?
On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 13:16:58 +0200 Hammer Attila hamm...@pickup.hu wrote: Hy, Now I looked an english language environment the Ubiquity installer and Orca improvement. For example, before with partitioning window, I selected the following radiobutton: Erase disk and install Ubuntu Orca spokening following text: Erase disk and install Ubuntu use_device radiobutton selected Other radiobutton example, real label: Install Ubuntu alongside them Orca spokening following text: Install Ubuntu alongside them resize_user_free radiobutton selected I prewious tryed attaching a screen shot how looks real the tested dialog window, but not fit the list limit the attachment. Safe I remove the bigger letter to not disturb the list to duplicate get this answer. This interesting objects texts real seeing the screen, or only Orca ubiquity script spokening this objects identifiers? Luke, possible fix this type issue for a next gnome-orca maintenance version, or the problem is harder fix and need accepting now this working method? Attila We are aware of the label issue, and are working to get it fixed. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Ubiquity installer accessibility and localization?
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 7:16 AM, Hammer Attila hamm...@pickup.hu wrote: Hy, Now I looked an english language environment the Ubiquity installer and Orca improvement. For example, before with partitioning window, I selected the following radiobutton: Erase disk and install Ubuntu Orca spokening following text: Erase disk and install Ubuntu use_device radiobutton selected I was able to get it to read the labels by associating the radio button to the label, but I couldn't figure out why it kept reading the variable name for the radio button afterward. The code in question has been pointed out to me, and it looks like I should have also set the name for the radio button to make it say something less-stupid than use underscore device Did it not also read the label in Hungarian? -- Mackenzie Morgan -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Ubiquity installer accessibility and localization?
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 2:41 AM, Hammer Attila hamm...@pickup.hu wrote: Hy, Luke, perhaps Ubiquity Orca script spokening miss informations with Ubiquity installer (11.04), I don't no future possible resolvable the following type problems perhaps Ocelot if Natty Ubiquity installer or script impossible resolving some problems. Hi, I'm going to answer since I decided last week that Ubiquity's accessibility will be one of my focuses for Oneiric Ocelot. 1. Lot of dialogs Orca spokening live_installer dialog titles, and for example some edit boxes, Orca spokening the hungarian edit box label (for example the computer host setting) and spokening an english label (host:). I don't remember all miss spokened dialog widgets, but lot of time happening this problem. This type problem is Orca ubiquity script related problem, or a mistake design with Ubiquity main dialogs? The problematic code for this has been pointed out to me. It's a loop that sets the accessible name equal to the variable name, which is TERRIBLE for humans (as you've noticed) but GREAT for writing automated test scripts, which I'm pretty sure is the only reason there is an accessible name set at all. I'm planning on submitting lots of patches on fixing this, and I'll probably also have to give the developer a patch for his automated test script to work with the actually accessible names. An another example is the timezone setting dialog, with Orca spokening an interesting label text for selected time zone. And the timezone thing doesn't really work well from a keyboard when you consider that the dropdown options aren't read. That'll very likely take code-changes that I'm not sure how to do yet. 2. I don't no why, but now Orca doesn't spokening installation progress bar, and doesn't possible looking what percentage are completed with installation. The progress bar is removed with Ubiquity gtk frontend dialog? I think this is not Orca script specific problem. I don't think it knows it's there or what to do with it, just like it doesn't read some of the text on the screen. This actually probably does involve the Ubiquity script for Orca. What components need reporting this type problems to fix all this type problems with future Ocelot? I think AlanBell reported most of this a few weeks ago, actually. Or at least, I'm aware of them, having seen a video he made of how ... awful... the installer is with Orca, which is why I've started researching how to fix it. (Oh, and regarding the other email, when I said I was able to get it to read the label, I mean it previously didn't read the label at all, just the variable name, and so this was at least an improvement) -- Mackenzie Morgan -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Ubiquity installer accessibility and localization?
Hy, Mackenzie, happening following for example if I use hungarian language: Orca spokening proper hungarian translation the Erase disk and install Ubuntu radiobutton label (translation is Merevlemez törlése, és az Ubuntu telepítése), and spokening the accessible variable (use_device) text. So, in hungarian language, Orca spokening the actual selected radiobutton label: merevlemez törlése, és az Ubuntu telepítése use_device. So, future will be awailable an update this problem related in Natty? Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Ubiquity installer accessibility and localization?
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Hammer Attila hamm...@pickup.hu wrote: Hy, Mackenzie, happening following for example if I use hungarian language: Orca spokening proper hungarian translation the Erase disk and install Ubuntu radiobutton label (translation is Merevlemez törlése, és az Ubuntu telepítése), and spokening the accessible variable (use_device) text. So, in hungarian language, Orca spokening the actual selected radiobutton label: merevlemez törlése, és az Ubuntu telepítése use_device. OK, I was afraid it was only reading the label if English! What it's doing is what I'd expect it to do based on the current code. So, future will be awailable an update this problem related in Natty? Probably not til Oneiric. New versions of Ubiquity can be downloaded from the Internet if you're installing while connected, but I don't really know if the Ubiquity developers will be packaging new versions of it for Natty at this point (since Natty is released). I can't upload new versions of Ubiquity to Ubuntu, just send patches to the appropriate people to get it into Ubiquity's trunk which will then make it into the next version of Ubuntu. -- Mackenzie Morgan -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
