A few annoying problems still with ubuntu
Hi, I've now moved from debian to ubuntu permanently, but I'm having a couple of annoying issues: I'm running ubuntu 12.10 using gnome-shell (gnome 3) with everything up to date. 1. I'm still having a problem which I mentioned a few weeks ago where libreoffice calc is unusable with orca. It seems when I try to use the arrow keys to navigate the spreadsheet, the cursor moves, but orca gives me no spoken or Braille feedback as to what is going on. 2. In firefox (and possibly other applications, but I can only reproduce in firefox), there are some problems with Braille. Sometimes the display will show "screen not in text mode" and if I arrow a few lines further this will change back to the text which is on the page. If I keep moving through the page the screen not in text mode message continues to reappear every few lines. Just reproduced this on m.facebook.com (news feed) and google.com just now. Can anyone reproduce/suggest any solutions? Or is this a question for the orca mailing list? 3. On my debian machine the boot messages were displayed in text mode. This meant I could start brltty early and see most of the boot messages. In ubuntu brltty starts and then moves to say screen not in text mode. I'm guessing this is because there is some type of graphical boot for ubuntu? I've tried changing grub from the splash to "text", but all this seems to do was not start the gui, which is not what I want. I still want to start the gui on boot, but have some type of way to review the boot messages when booting in Braille so that if something goes wrong I can fix my machine independently. I've also changed brltty to start early in /etc/rcS.d/ so that brltty is at S13. Has anyone got any ideas how I can see boot messages in Braille or at least have a way to know that something has failed at boot time, and a way to independently correct this? These are only very minor problems, and I'm really enjoying the ubuntu experience. If anyone has any suggestions or fixes though I'd be very grateful. Keep up the good work. Thanks in advance. Daniel -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: New to ubuntu - some problems/questions
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 06:28:14AM +0100, Bohdan R. Rau wrote: > W dniu 2012-11-23 04:47, Daniel Dalton napisał(a): > > >How did you configure this? > >I uncommented the start line from /etc/init/pulseaudio.conf > > It's not enough. Thanks. I'll give this a go. Cheers, Dan -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: New to ubuntu - some problems/questions
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 08:08:51AM +0100, Bohdan R. Rau wrote: > W dniu 2012-11-21 14:36, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza napisał(a): > > >The problem is that you can not use speakup and the gui environment > >using the same login. > > I solved this problem running pulseaudio in system mode with no > authorization. As I'm not regular orca/speakup user I can't say > everything will run without problems in this mode - but it works for > me (Ubuntu 12.04). I also do not use espeakup, but self-made How did you configure this? I uncommented the start line from /etc/init/pulseaudio.conf However, got no sound on my next reboot. I'm guessing because the GUI is still trying to start its own pulseaudio daemon - couldn't figure out how to stop this. Cheers, Dan -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: New to ubuntu - some problems/questions
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 04:19:39PM -0200, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Hi Daniel. > If you installed ubuntu using orca, unity 2d is configured by default. Hi José, Yep, that must be it since it is what I did. > In the login screen you can change to unity or to gnome-shell, but > you need to install gnome-shell. Yes - I did that and gnome-shell seems to be better for me. The problem accessing the menu bars went away (in my first post) and can now navigate the desktop easier it seems :) Thanks for your help. Dan -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: New to ubuntu - some problems/questions
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:36:43AM -0200, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Hi Daniel, Hi José, > What version of ubuntu are you running? 12.10 > Are you running unity 2d or unity 3d? Not sure, is there a method to check? I just installed straight from the livecd as of last night, so what would that likely mean? > > >1. How do I see the list of all my applications? I press the windows key > >and then attempt to arrow around, but this does not work. I read that > >this is the method to view the entire application list with unity... > >So how to do this with orca? > > The win key or the alt+f1 is used to see the list of the prefered > applications or the running applications. > I never found how to se all applications using unity 2d. Yes I'm finding the same can find common application, but not all. Oh well that's not a huge problem for me atm. > > >Also, on a bit of a side note, what is a better choice from an > >accessibility point of view, gnome-shell or unity? Is there some reason > >why unity is the default on ubuntu? > > Personally I prefer gnome-shell, but canonical decided to adopt > unity as the default. I suppose I'll try gnome-shell on ubuntu then I can decide which one to go with easily. I'm use to gnome-shell so maybe that's why I'm having some bad luck with unity. > >2. In Some applications are not working quite right. In Libreoffice calc > >when I use the arrow keys to navigate the spread sheet I do not get any > >spoken feedback from orca. > >Also in both writer and calc (possibly other apps, but that's all I've > >tested so far) I can not access the menu bar by using alt or alt+f. > >Is there a solution to this one? > Did you try the f10 key to access the menu bar? Does not work. If I press alt by itself I hear somethin hud or hub. Using arrows does not do anything here though. I'll try gnome-shell though and hopefully this problem might disappear. > > >3. I've just installed emacspeak from source on ubuntu, using > >espeak. When I run emacspeak with espeak I experience regular crashes on > >average one every few minutes. > >Obviously this is quite annoying, so I was hoping there might be a fix > >around. > >I'm also experiencing almost identical problem on debian, but my best > >solution so far is to revert back to alsa. Is this also the best > >solution for ubuntu? > I can not say about this topic, but I think that it is not so easy > revert to alsa in ubuntu. Yes, your probably right. > > >I'm presuming this will also be an issue when I get around to installing > >speakup, as it was on debian also. > > > >4. My final problem: I'm attempting to build and install speakup as > >kernel modules. > >First I tried installing module-assistant and doing the following as > >root: > >m-a prepare > >m-a a-i speakup > > > >The build process failed though. Is my best option for now to build the > >modules from source out of git? > > > you do not need build speakup in ubuntu because there is a package. > sudo apt-get install speakup espeakup Thanks for clarifying made it a lot easier!:) > The problem is that you can not use speakup and the gui environment > using the same login. > What I do in general is to login in the console as root and su - my > real login. Hmm, this is very interesting. Do we know why yet? Because would speakup/espeakup be running as root anyway? Maybe this is a pulseaudio issue again similar to what I found on debian, but then again it also seems quite different. I shall keep investigating anyway. > >I hope this can help in some way. It is very helpful, thank you very much. Daniel -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: New to ubuntu - some problems/questions
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 09:02:34AM -0600, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > To get a list of all of the applications installed on a system using > Unity 2D on a Ubuntu 12.04 system, tap the Super key to bring up the > dash. Now arrow down and over and press the enter key on the > applications button. Now down arrow and press the enter key on the > installed node in the tree and then arrow around to see the applications > installed on your system. Hmm didn't quite work for me - I'm running 12.10 though. I might try gnome-shell first anyway, otherwise I'l keep trying :) Thanks for your help. Dan -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
New to ubuntu - some problems/questions
Hi, I'm currently a vision impaired user of debian, but I'm trying out ubuntu and potentially looking to make a switch. However I've ran into some problems: 1. How do I see the list of all my applications? I press the windows key and then attempt to arrow around, but this does not work. I read that this is the method to view the entire application list with unity... So how to do this with orca? Also, on a bit of a side note, what is a better choice from an accessibility point of view, gnome-shell or unity? Is there some reason why unity is the default on ubuntu? 2. In Some applications are not working quite right. In Libreoffice calc when I use the arrow keys to navigate the spread sheet I do not get any spoken feedback from orca. Also in both writer and calc (possibly other apps, but that's all I've tested so far) I can not access the menu bar by using alt or alt+f. Is there a solution to this one? 3. I've just installed emacspeak from source on ubuntu, using espeak. When I run emacspeak with espeak I experience regular crashes on average one every few minutes. Obviously this is quite annoying, so I was hoping there might be a fix around. I'm also experiencing almost identical problem on debian, but my best solution so far is to revert back to alsa. Is this also the best solution for ubuntu? I'm presuming this will also be an issue when I get around to installing speakup, as it was on debian also. 4. My final problem: I'm attempting to build and install speakup as kernel modules. First I tried installing module-assistant and doing the following as root: m-a prepare m-a a-i speakup The build process failed though. Is my best option for now to build the modules from source out of git? If anyone can help with any of this I'd grately appreciate it. Thanks in advance, Daniel -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
installing ubuntu with orca
Hi, I followed the instructions at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/UbuntuEdgyEft But it didn't talk in the terminal window once I quit and restarted orca. Just the orca window was voiced. When I booted my livecd it spoke and read everything to me. I chose "screenreader" from the accessibility options in the boot process but it didn't talk straight away. I had to go to run application and type orca. So my question is How do I install ubuntu with orca? Or is there a way I can do it on my windows box to the box I am installing to? Like SSH. (I have no experience with ssh so have no idea how to do this or how it works) Any ideas? I am trying to install ubuntu 7.04. Thanks for any help. -- Daniel Dalton http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
