Re: [ubuntu-art] Another splash concept

2006-03-09 Thread j Mak
Travis Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 3/9/06, j Mak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> This is my version of the splash image:>> http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/2575/ubuntusplash4as.png>> J. MakLooks nice. Two things though:1) The reflection of "ubuntu" is too opaque, try fading it out a bit more.2) The black bar doesn't really fit, perhaps brown would be better?--Travis Watkinshttp://www.realistanew.com   
  Thanks for the suggestions, but I keep the black stripe because it gives contrast to the image. In the mean time, I made a bit of tweaking to the logo.Here is the new one:http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/3358/ubuntusplash6rp.pngJ. Mak 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Another splash concept

2006-03-09 Thread Travis Watkins
On 3/9/06, j Mak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is my version of the splash image:
>
> http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/2575/ubuntusplash4as.png
>
> J. Mak

Looks nice. Two things though:
1) The reflection of "ubuntu" is too opaque, try fading it out a bit more.
2) The black bar doesn't really fit, perhaps brown would be better?

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Re: [ubuntu-art] SandSkater preview

2006-03-09 Thread Travis Watkins
On 3/9/06, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have updated SandSkater to version 0.3. I really need some
> feedback ...
>
>  * Screenshot: http://www.skim.dk/SandSkater/SandSkater.jpg
>  * Theme: http://www.skim.dk/SandSkater/SandSkater-0.3.tar.gz
>

You should make the panel the same color as the menus, otherwise
drawers and the main menu look weird.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] some artwork.

2006-03-09 Thread Frédéric van der Essen

For those interested in the vector part of the background :
http://www.mentalwarp.com/~fred/divers/simple-brown-background.svg

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Re: [ubuntu-art] SandSkater preview

2006-03-09 Thread Sandis Neilands
Hello!

On 3/10/06, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 15:33 +0100, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen wrote:
> > I have a preview of SandSkater ready at:
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/SandSkater
> >
> > Please comment. Also read the "Issues" section and see if you have a
> > hint for me...
>
> I have updated SandSkater to version 0.3. I really need some
> feedback ...

I really like your theme. The new metacity theme looks better, but
there is one usability issue - aligning text in titlebar to left for
RTL reading public is wrong.

Another issue is that on my breezy the theme installs fine, but
metacity theme never changes. I use simple instead (looks good too).
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Re: [ubuntu-art] SandSkater preview

2006-03-09 Thread Corey Burger
On 3/9/06, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 23:49 +0100, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen wrote:
> > On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 15:33 +0100, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen wrote:
> > > I have a preview of SandSkater ready at:
> > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/SandSkater
> > >
> > > Please comment. Also read the "Issues" section and see if you have a
> > > hint for me...
> >
> > I have updated SandSkater to version 0.3. I really need some
> > feedback ...
> >
> >  * Screenshot: http://www.skim.dk/SandSkater/SandSkater.jpg
> >  * Theme: http://www.skim.dk/SandSkater/SandSkater-0.3.tar.gz
>
> Sorry for spamming :-D I just had to add this...
>
> Running "metacity-theme-viewer SandSkater" and looking under the
> Benchmark tab I see that the SandSkater theme renders three times faster
> than the Clearlooks-metacity theme (and three times faster than Glider
> too - which should be comparable to the Breezy default theme).
>
> This together with the ultra light Mist theme engine, which the
> SandSkater GTK theme is based upon, really makes a HUGE responsiveness
> difference on my olde 700MHz box.
>
> Just thought you should now. Anyways - profiling the metacity theme with
> metacity-theme-viewer is a nice trick I just discovered.
>
> Cheers
> Mikkel

Looks good, but can you put up a png that is lossless? The jpg does
not justice to your work.

Thanks,
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[ubuntu-art] Another splash concept

2006-03-09 Thread j Mak
 This is my
 version of the splash image:http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/2575/ubuntusplash4as.pngJ. Mak 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] SandSkater preview

2006-03-09 Thread Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 23:49 +0100, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 15:33 +0100, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen wrote:
> > I have a preview of SandSkater ready at:
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/SandSkater 
> > 
> > Please comment. Also read the "Issues" section and see if you have a
> > hint for me...
> 
> I have updated SandSkater to version 0.3. I really need some
> feedback ...
> 
>  * Screenshot: http://www.skim.dk/SandSkater/SandSkater.jpg
>  * Theme: http://www.skim.dk/SandSkater/SandSkater-0.3.tar.gz

Sorry for spamming :-D I just had to add this...

Running "metacity-theme-viewer SandSkater" and looking under the
Benchmark tab I see that the SandSkater theme renders three times faster
than the Clearlooks-metacity theme (and three times faster than Glider
too - which should be comparable to the Breezy default theme).

This together with the ultra light Mist theme engine, which the
SandSkater GTK theme is based upon, really makes a HUGE responsiveness
difference on my olde 700MHz box.

Just thought you should now. Anyways - profiling the metacity theme with
metacity-theme-viewer is a nice trick I just discovered.

Cheers
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Re: [ubuntu-art] some artwork.

2006-03-09 Thread Frédéric van der Essen

Thanks for the comments everyone.
I must say that my background was not meant to be default or to please 
everyone. As soon as you put more than two colors, with one of them 
different than blue, it will lead to strongly different opinions.
The safest way to please everyone is to keep the art monochrome. and 
even safest is blue monochrome. That's what apple did.
But i personally find monochrome brown to be highly depressive. So i put 
bright colors, that can't please anyone. We're doomed ^^


I also agree about the small dots problem for accessibilty.
The "ubuntu" is not obvious, but the backrgound is not an ubuntu ad.

About the flat and dirty look. I'm glad you like it but a lot of people 
just find it "dirty" and disgusting.


So i'll do a less personal artwork that might please more people, But i 
can't promise any date for it.


And about unification : this is impossible to do as a community. As 
there is no objective way to judge art,
it is not possible to find community solutions. We need a graphist 
dictator, or we'll be doomed to pointless flamewars and

disparate artwork.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] SandSkater preview

2006-03-09 Thread Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 15:33 +0100, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen wrote:
> I have a preview of SandSkater ready at:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/SandSkater 
> 
> Please comment. Also read the "Issues" section and see if you have a
> hint for me...

I have updated SandSkater to version 0.3. I really need some
feedback ...

 * Screenshot: http://www.skim.dk/SandSkater/SandSkater.jpg
 * Theme: http://www.skim.dk/SandSkater/SandSkater-0.3.tar.gz

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Re: [ubuntu-art] some artwork.

2006-03-09 Thread Étienne Bersac

Hey ! I like this !

Especialy the similarity with the ubuntu from the current usplash  
theme. This is exactly what we need for global consistence of the  
theme. For the background i would prefer more brownish colours. Those  
are too red.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] some artwork.

2006-03-09 Thread Étienne Bersac

Hello,


I really like the brown texture in the back.
I confirm this opinion. The background of the background is good,  
whatever i said before :).



I like the way it feels
like an actual, real surface, a bit like wood or a painting.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] some artwork.

2006-03-09 Thread Sean Hammond
I strongly agree with Étienne that Ubuntu art should be consistent and
polished and not feel like a patchwork. If people want to pick and
grab art from all over for their desktop they will do so, and create
what I think is an ugly desktop.

But I really like this wallpaper you have made.

The bright orange and blue bubbles are certainly a little
controversial if they were ever to be taken on as a default theme or
anything, but then Ubuntu's whole brown thing has always been
controversial, and I like that. Besides, I think the oranges at least
are taken from the Ubuntu palette?

I really like the brown texture in the back. I like the way it feels
like an actual, real surface, a bit like wood or a painting. That's
more in-line with the 'human' theme idea than Ubuntu's current default
background with its abstract swirls. Also, though I've only had your
background on my desktop for a few minutes so far, I prefer looking at
something that is like a surface over something amorphous like the
default background.

I suppose it may be an issue that the bubbles could be mistaken for buttons...

On 3/9/06, Étienne Bersac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Just my point of view :) : I really disklike the background. The
> colour are too flashy (especially pink and "blue azur" colours). The
> "ubuntu" is not readable enoughThe splash is quite funny. A bit too
> vertical. It also does not really fit with the background. The set of
> wallpaper/splash is not consistent enough.
>
> Imho, Dapper theme should not be a patchwork of great peace of
> artwork but a really polish and consistent artwork. For example, i
> really dislike the patchwork effect of the multiple app theme in Mac
> OS X. Please do not run this way :)
>
> Wish this help.
>
> Verso l'Alto !
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Dapper Splashes

2006-03-09 Thread Étienne Bersac

Hello,

Be sure I don't think you're wrong !


I wanted to make a splash that was clearly for a development version -
so I needed some English - but the wording could be anything else - is
there a list of 'translatable phrases' sopmewhere?
Yes, but for now, i think we need a final theme ! You're art and  
ideas are welcome ! Do you want to help building the final theme for  
dapper or just offer piece of artwork for bêta testers ? ;)



french people  know what "dapper drake" means.

I thought Dapper Drake was the international code name for Ubuntu
6.04, and thus wouldn't need translating? sorry if I'm wrong about
this.
This is not authoritative, but : the official name is Ubuntu 6.04,  
"dapper drake" is the codename. See http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ 
release510 . Of course, this codename is not a secret :). I wish we  
should avoid using it for artwork and prefer 6.04. Wait for  
confirmation.



I wish designers will consider i18n in their artwork.

You're right...this is my first submission, and I had to google i18n
to be sure of what it was - I hadn't really considered it would apply
to BGs and Splashes!
Is there any way, short of making many different splashes, of having
translated text?
Currently, gnome-session does not handle translatable string like gdm  
is able to.



  * Is Yellow part of the "Human" palette ?


Yes - it is 'Orange Highlight'

Okey.

In general, i think your splash is a bit dark. Maybe this will be  
easier to measure this with a gdm theme. Think to build a global  
artwork : usplash theme, gdm, bg, splash, gtk, metacity and icons.  
This is hard. You should begin with big piece of the artwork instead  
of concentrating first on a very tiny part of it such as the gnome- 
session splash.


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[ubuntu-art] Dapper Splashes

2006-03-09 Thread Who
On 3/9/06, Étienne Bersac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=36223
>
> > I am considering making a BG and bootscreen with similar elements, so
> > comments would be much appreciated
>
> As I reported for breezy, one of the main goal of Ubuntu is
> internationalisation. This splash obviously use a lot of english
> terms. Please either use only ubuntu or translatable text. A few

I wanted to make a splash that was clearly for a development version -
so I needed some English - but the wording could be anything else - is
there a list of 'translatable phrases' sopmewhere?

> french people know what "dapper drake" means.
>

I thought Dapper Drake was the international code name for Ubuntu
6.04, and thus wouldn't need translating? sorry if I'm wrong about
this.

> I wish designers will consider i18n in their artwork.
>

You're right...this is my first submission, and I had to google i18n
to be sure of what it was - I hadn't really considered it would apply
to BGs and Splashes!
Is there any way, short of making many different splashes, of having
translated text?

> For the artwork itself, here are somes comments to improve it :
>   * from the three splash, i prefer the first.
>   * Logo and texts should be plain. Or more distinct from the bg
> picture.
>   * Is Yellow part of the "Human" palette ?

Yes - it is 'Orange Highlight'

> In fact, the only thing i like is the faded picture in background. :)
>
> Thanks.
>

Who

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Re: [ubuntu-art] some artwork.

2006-03-09 Thread Étienne Bersac

Hello,

Just my point of view :) : I really disklike the background. The  
colour are too flashy (especially pink and "blue azur" colours). The  
"ubuntu" is not readable enoughThe splash is quite funny. A bit too  
vertical. It also does not really fit with the background. The set of  
wallpaper/splash is not consistent enough.


Imho, Dapper theme should not be a patchwork of great peace of  
artwork but a really polish and consistent artwork. For example, i  
really dislike the patchwork effect of the multiple app theme in Mac  
OS X. Please do not run this way :)


Wish this help.

Verso l'Alto !

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Dapper Splashes

2006-03-09 Thread Étienne Bersac

Hello,


http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=36223

Is there anywhere Ubunut based place to put them (I mean actually to
host them, not just to link to them from...)

I am considering making a BG and bootscreen with similar elements, so
comments would be much appreciated


As I reported for breezy, one of the main goal of Ubuntu is  
internationalisation. This splash obviously use a lot of english  
terms. Please either use only ubuntu or translatable text. A few  
french people know what "dapper drake" means.


I wish designers will consider i18n in their artwork.

For the artwork itself, here are somes comments to improve :
 * from the three splash, i prefer the first.
 * The logo should be plain. Or more distinct from the bg picture.
 * Is Yellow part of the "Human" palette ?

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[ubuntu-art] Setting wallpaper suggestion in theme...

2006-03-09 Thread Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
>From the gnome-theme-manager it would appear that there is a way to set
a suggested wallpaper and font (look at the text below the theme list).
How does one do that?

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[ubuntu-art] Dapper Splashes

2006-03-09 Thread Who
Some splashes I made for Dapper:
http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=36223

Is there anywhere Ubunut based place to put them (I mean actually to
host them, not just to link to them from...)

I am considering making a BG and bootscreen with similar elements, so
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Icon plan for Dapper

2006-03-09 Thread Mark Shuttleworth




Andreas Nilsson wrote:
Sure, sounds
fixable. I'll ask lapo if he is interested in helping me with this.
  
About the palette, you're talking about Butter, Chocolate and Orange in
http://tango-project.org/Tango_Icon_Theme_Guidelines#Color_Palette,
right?
  

Yes!

We are in the process of building a page which can be dynamically
updated which shows:

 - the Human icon
 - the Butter/Chocolate/Orange Tango icon
 - the Tango icon
 - the Gnome icon
 - the Hicolor icon
 - the overall priority of that icon to Dapper

Once we have that, we will have a better sense of which icons are a
good target for Butterification. So don't necessarily charge ahead just
yet, till we have the full picture in hand.

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[ubuntu-art] Themes table clean up

2006-03-09 Thread Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
I think we should clean up the wiki table listing the themes asap. As we
agreed upon, we should remove the themes without a responsible.

Also it should prolly be redesigned to something like:

Theme Name ||| Concept Idea ||| Progress ||| Responsible

Which icon/metacity/gtk themes it will use is really not relevant
(except in a detailed subpage - read on).

Furthermore will the responsible for each theme please create a wiki
page for it (like Tango and SandSkater has).

I would do this myself, but my time is really limited atm. 

Cheers
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[ubuntu-art] SandSkater preview

2006-03-09 Thread Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
I have a preview of SandSkater ready at:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/SandSkater 

Please comment. Also read the "Issues" section and see if you have a
hint for me...

Cheers
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re: [ubuntu-art] Icon plan for Dapper

2006-03-09 Thread Andreas Nilsson

Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
"2. The style guide of these new icons is not Tango, but it is
relatively close, and Tango will make a good fallback icon theme for
Dapper. However, the Tango core palette is blue, and ours is Human, so
we would really like to call for help on converting Tango icons to this
Human palette (which uses warmer, brown, yellow and orange colours
extensively)."


Sure, sounds fixable. I'll ask lapo if he is interested in helping me with this.
About the palette, you're talking about Butter, Chocolate and Orange in 
http://tango-project.org/Tango_Icon_Theme_Guidelines#Color_Palette, right?
- Andreas


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