[ubuntu-art] Hardy GTK Theme
Lets say you start to use your newly downloaded/burned Ubuntu Hardy and the system is clean, nothing on it only entirely default. This is the most common place to start with the new releases, is it? Take it into account that most people are not designer and they have to be treated as such whom are not an expert in theming. Our coordination should lead us in that direction where simple user is the target, their level of knowledge, understanding to make theme changes on the system. Their limitation is the understanding, what do they understand and able to do with their Linux system. Why I say this? I do think our motto has to be SIMPLICITY and we have to present to the users the freedom of choice as the main direction in Open Source world. Therefore: we should present one dark and one light theme from the same type but with different color. In fact it leaves one question open which one would be default in the release. Kenneth, do we have possibility to survey few hundreds of simple users? Cheers, Erno [Szerencsefia] -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Hardy GTK Theme
On Nov 3, 2007, at 12:22 PM, SzerencseFia wrote: Lets say you start to use your newly downloaded/burned Ubuntu Hardy and the system is clean, nothing on it only entirely default. This is the most common place to start with the new releases, is it? Take it into account that most people are not designer and they have to be treated as such whom are not an expert in theming. Our coordination should lead us in that direction where simple user is the target, their level of knowledge, understanding to make theme changes on the system. Their limitation is the understanding, what do they understand and able to do with their Linux system. Why I say this? I do think our motto has to be SIMPLICITY and we have to present to the users the freedom of choice as the main direction in Open Source world. Therefore: we should present one dark and one light theme from the same type but with different color. In fact it leaves one question open which one would be default in the release. Kenneth, do we have possibility to survey few hundreds of simple users? Idea/Suggestion: In past releases, when there was a decent amount of art changes, they only showed up to the end user (ie, people running the RC's/beta/tribes/herds/whatever Hardy will be) near the final release (last beta etc). I would suggest that maybe a few possible default/included themes be included as early as possible in the alpha/ beta releases (along with an old stand by maybe), and to make it a point to get the word out suggestions/feed back/bugs are welcome and needed on the new art work. That way there would be amble time to try to make the best theme that appeals to the most users. Obviously anyone can change it later (I like the idea of have a couple variants of the default theme), but this way the few hundred users could be a few thousand or more. (We could even go with the old This is not the final art! Feedback welcome text on the background etc. Matt Cheers, Erno [Szerencsefia] -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] New Hardy theme
Whatever GTK engine Hardy will use, the design community should focus on a new, modern theme. In contrast to Vista's or OS X's theme, the Human theme is in an inferior position. Once the new color palette is found (am I right that it's going to be black/orange?), we have to work on new buttons, new checkboxes, new menu entrys, and so on. The current theme looks quite boring and bland from my point of view. We should put in more depth with gradients, more gloss and choose other corners. Another thing I have to criticize is that the new icon theme will still follow the Tango dogmas. In comparison to the KDE4 Oxygen icon set for example, I expect any Tango style icon theme to be comic-like and too much child-friendly. Tango style icons fit quite well to Edubuntu, but not to Ubuntu which claims to be a modern alternative to Windows and OS X. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Hardy theme
I could not agree more. I really don't know why Ubuntu have this childish comic look with default human theme if it self-proclaims to be a modern alternative to Mac OS X or Microsoft's Vista. Did somebody ever look at the Mac OS X icons?! Ubuntu is really well established in solid kernel foundations, is rock stable, it has many features that put it well in front of these other two, but final users, simple users, as someone have said, want some eye candy too. They see this as a signal of a really modern OS. And honestly, that's not what Ubuntu brings by default. Simple users don't want to know details about App Armor...they can't see it! They want a beautiful (and functional) OS! Well, you can say that with a few clicks you can change the entire look of Ubuntu, and that is entirely true, but hey, the first impression is what counts, and when they put the live CD and see the look.. I really think that sometimes all the Ubuntu team (not only us!) thinks that Ubuntu is replacing Windows XP in old machines that don't run Vista, and so a XP look is enough..Our main enemy is not XP: is the modern look that Leopard and Vista brought to new OS's, and that is what final users see as a modern OS. []'s Tiago Souza On Nov 3, 2007 3:09 PM, Can K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whatever GTK engine Hardy will use, the design community should focus on a new, modern theme. In contrast to Vista's or OS X's theme, the Human theme is in an inferior position. Once the new color palette is found (am I right that it's going to be black/orange?), we have to work on new buttons, new checkboxes, new menu entrys, and so on. The current theme looks quite boring and bland from my point of view. We should put in more depth with gradients, more gloss and choose other corners. Another thing I have to criticize is that the new icon theme will still follow the Tango dogmas. In comparison to the KDE4 Oxygen icon set for example, I expect any Tango style icon theme to be comic-like and too much child-friendly. Tango style icons fit quite well to Edubuntu, but not to Ubuntu which claims to be a modern alternative to Windows and OS X. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] 3 themes ?
So Hardy will be shipped with several themes ? The new Orange Black theme, with new icons ? The improved Human theme with human icons ? The Blubuntu theme with Tango icons ? About the new Orange black what about the Ubuntu glossy orange theme : http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/?content=48752 signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Hardy GTK Theme
Hello, I wanto to remember my work with the best art items in the net (Murrine, Glossy Orange etc) stored at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/OranSun Let me know, Cheers On Nov 3, 2007 12:14 AM, Toby Smithe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2007-11-02 at 11:09 -0400, Jacob Padilla wrote: I agree that the engine should share long term support with the release. I don't however think system requirements need to be changed on this release and especially not on the account of something like a theme engine. Then again I'm also opposed to a LiveCD based standard install CD where if you don't meet the system req then you get the Debian installer based alternate CD, but that's off topic. Maybe there needs to be an all new (or rescued abandon ware or forked Clearlooks) GTK engine / window border / GDM theme maintained by Ubuntu? How else can long term support be guaranteed? It would be great for branding. There is an engine, forked from Clearlooks (or so I believe). It's called Ubuntulooks and it's the default. Clearlooks isn't the default, or so I thought. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Iacopo Masi -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Hardy GTK Theme
Le samedi 03 novembre 2007 à 21:22 +0100, Iacopo Masi a écrit : Hello, I wanto to remember my work with the best art items in the net (Murrine, Glossy Orange etc) stored at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/OranSun The gdm and splash screen are part of the glossy orange theme, but the gtk theme seem to «human» Let me know, Cheers On Nov 3, 2007 12:14 AM, Toby Smithe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2007-11-02 at 11:09 -0400, Jacob Padilla wrote: I agree that the engine should share long term support with the release. I don't however think system requirements need to be changed on this release and especially not on the account of something like a theme engine. Then again I'm also opposed to a LiveCD based standard install CD where if you don't meet the system req then you get the Debian installer based alternate CD, but that's off topic. Maybe there needs to be an all new (or rescued abandon ware or forked Clearlooks) GTK engine / window border / GDM theme maintained by Ubuntu? How else can long term support be guaranteed? It would be great for branding. There is an engine, forked from Clearlooks (or so I believe). It's called Ubuntulooks and it's the default. Clearlooks isn't the default, or so I thought. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Iacopo Masi signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Hardy GTK Theme
Here is another Aurora screenshot, this time I tweaked the gtkrc to make the scale handels look rubberized. I must say I like it quite a bit. http://www.milkstreetmedia.com/misc/auroranblck.png I tried to pull of the same effect in clearlooks and nodoku, but it seems that Aurora is the only theme I've found so far who's scale handle colors don't also change the color of the trough. I'm still for Aurora. Its got lots of little touches that make it feel much more modern than clearlooks and other default themes. And don't forget that Hardy is almost 6 months off. If we choose to go with it now, we've got plenty of time to submit and fix bugs. I think it would be well worth the effort. I've also attached the gtkrc file if anyone wants to try it out and/or tweak it. On 11/2/07, Matthew Nuzum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/2/07, Jacob Padilla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200608/light_text_on_dark_background_vs_readability/ I've read before about the poor accessibility of light text on dark background so I'm not really sure it's a good choice for a default theme. I, personally, think it looks cool and trendy but that doesn't make it a good decision for a default setting on a product with such a wide release. I agree. As far as Aurora goes, it looks nice but if it's a resource hog then it too shouldn't be a default. If it's a resource hog then you have to ask yourself, Why is it hogging resources? Is it calling a lot of different modules or something? I guess what I'm trying to say is that with more bloat comes more bugs. Let me play the devil's advocate and point out that with 7.10 the system requirements changed requiring a minimum of 384M of RAM + whatever is needed by the video card if that applies to you. Hardy will be around for quite a while and will be the platform future versions. I think its OK if we switch to a theme that requires more horse power. (IMHO) Now that being said, Hardy will be supported for 3 years, twice the length of 7.10... we don't want to choose something that in 14mo will be abandon ware. (though by merit of being included as the default in Ubuntu, a project will automatically gain wide notoriety) I think the time to make major changes was with the 7.04 and 7.10 releases and maybe instead of changing the theme engine for Hardy we should work on polishing what we're already using. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art gtkrc Description: Binary data -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Hardy GTK Theme
One more proposal :) This is based on Moomex, which is the 2nd highest rated gtk2 theme on gnome-look. It is based on the Clearlooks engine, but has some pixmap goodness thrown in. Can't get much more stable than good ol' clearlooks I imagine. I've modified it a little bit, including making the slider handles black and rubberized again. I like this one quite a bit, even though it is glossier than I usually like. The black and orange hightlights really stand out though, and give it a new feel. The black menubars and panels give off that dark theme vibe, while avoiding all the problems with dark themes. The only problem I'm having is that I can't change the color of the slider handles without changing the color of the troughs. This theme needs a little more work too. I'll prolly deglossify the panels and menubars so they match the rubbery look of the slider handles. Lemme all know what you think, and if this is the right direction for Hardy. I'm learning more and more about the GTK theme engines and am up for any ideas. If it turns out aurora isn't a problem, I may bring the pixmaped menubars into that theme too... hmm that could be fun =) If anyone knows how to tweak the color of the slider handles and/or troughs, please lemme know. I'd really like it if the handels used the color defined for the colorized scrollbars. Here is the screencap: http://www.milkstreetmedia.com/misc/hardygtk.png Lemme know if you guys want the theme files too. Corey -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
