Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks

[Troy James Sobotka]

Ken and xl (once again great effort xl):

Do you think this might be a wonderful opportunity to attempt and ease
off of the stuck-in-this-mindset conservativism by implementing a small
yet significant change to Ubuntu?

I believe this can be accomplished by making the shift to Murrine with a
custom configuration.  Dial down the nasty naff gloss and hone it into
something _close_ to current Ubuntulooks?

Judging from xl's work thus far, it appears he might be able to put the
leg-work into getting the config file polished enough for Hardy's release.

At least then we have a starting point for the real fight...

Sincerely,
TJS



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Re: [ubuntu-art] why not use emerald on hardy?

[Nemes Ioan Sorin]

You have right here, Compiz offer a lot of really useful extensions 
(aside 3D cube - like Zoom, Opacify, Group and Tab Windows ...etc)

unfortunately there are several drawbacks on implementation of AIGLX 
with proprietary drivers - even they offer support on the hardware side 
- this collaboration is just too young. But things are in change, 
peoples work on that - see Ubuntu blueprints. This feature will come 
maybe on Ubuntu 9 or 10.

Until then I still hope in a GTK2 good engine. Maybe a new Murrine / 
Clearlooks like engine.


shadowh511 wrote:
> Hello all
> 
> i have looked around and have concluded that emerald has the best
> chance of being a loveable skinning engine for hardy
> 
> shadowh511
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[ubuntu-art] why not use emerald on hardy?

[shadowh511]

Hello all

i have looked around and have concluded that emerald has the best
chance of being a loveable skinning engine for hardy

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Aurora shouldn't be used in Ubuntu for default themes.

[xl cheese]

the next version of Gummy will revert back to the old style of tabs.  The 
gradient tabs will only exist on the glossy style.
 
> On my opinion Clearlooks Gummy was the best Clearlooks ever. A good > point 
> of Gummy was gradients, especially Gradients on tabs.
 
 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Aurora shouldn't be used in Ubuntu for default themes.

[Cory K.]

Nemes Ioan Sorin wrote:
> OK Cory,
>
> My support for all that other members will choose. I'm not against 
> Murrine or Clearlooks.
>
> On my opinion Clearlooks Gummy was the best Clearlooks ever. A good 
> point of Gummy was gradients, especially Gradients on tabs.
>   

Cool. :)

> Aurora is a kind of fork of Clearlooks BUT has the right scrollbars.
> (believe-me I know what I say).
>   

Its a fork of Murrine 0.40.1 and Murrine is a fork of Clearlooks. *SOME*
of the history can be found here:
http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=56438&forumpage=1

> From an usability point of view - Aurora scrollbars almost met the 
> perfection in GTK world where many nice themes has wrong scrollbars ( no 
> good visual contrast in general ).
>
> I just propose Aurora as any other proposals because is one of the best 
> GTK themes - the main quality of Aurora -> equilibrate colors and 
> gradients, every UI item remain readable and easy to recognize from a 
> single look - scrollbars are visually unobtrusive.
>   

Nothing Aurora has been shown to do cant be done in Murrine. Cimi has
shown this before.

> The problem about I talk on my previous mail is "This was the engine 
> that had no reason to exist right?" - It was not clear WHY ..no reason 
> to exist. It's an offense or what ?.
>
> Someone can interpret that as an intellectual fault addressed to the 
> author (because no explanation).
>
> So is better to affirm clean WHY some things should not be in existence.
> For example "Nazism had no reason to exist..." ..because "...".
> Aurora should exist even is the worst GTK theme - because author has its 
> right to expression and ...Aurora don't kill peoples - (at least for that).
>
> Very well if you can point Cimi here.
> Maybe he can try to add the scrollbar principles from Aurora to Murrine.
> This will be a good point.
>
> Else the package -  Murrine / Clearlooks - has the main advantage - Cimi 
> being Clearlooks maintainer and I see a good gtk hacker.
>
> I hope I was clear about the language in use on that list.
>
> Nothing to comment on points like "This list has been very supportive of 
> Cimi" - So be it - let support Cimi work.
>
> But "it's an unnecessary and bad fork of Murrine that shouldn't be 
> supported by using it as a default engine." is not OK. No one tell you 
> to support Aurora as the main engine. Parts of Aurora are good and can 
> be useful. I put my proposal here as any other people.
>
> Why is bad bad fork of Murrine ? - you can kill the right for free 
> expression to other peoples ?.
>
> It's your opinnion - right - but the words used are not OK.
> So, please explain me WHY the Aurora is a bad Fork of Murrine. 
> Convince-me with solid arguments please.
>
> You can do it in a personal manner - not posting your response for 
> entire list, You choose. I am a reasonable people and If you have right 
> arguments - my respect for that.
>
>
> I'll stay tuned.

It's simply my opinion here. I see Aurora as an unnecessary fork. Its
code is *SO* close to Murrine it's just not needed. Cimi has also said
the small things it can do can be added (and might be now) to Murrine.

Just my opinion. We have too many forks in the open-source world. I
don't think everyone needs to carve of their on little piece of the
world rather than working together. ;)

And since there's an apparent language barrier here I'm not gonna try to
converse if you don't understand exactly what I'm saying. Sorry.

-Cory \m/

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Aurora shouldn't be used in Ubuntu for default themes.

[Nemes Ioan Sorin]

OK Cory,

My support for all that other members will choose. I'm not against 
Murrine or Clearlooks.

On my opinion Clearlooks Gummy was the best Clearlooks ever. A good 
point of Gummy was gradients, especially Gradients on tabs.

Aurora is a kind of fork of Clearlooks BUT has the right scrollbars.
(believe-me I know what I say).

 From an usability point of view - Aurora scrollbars almost met the 
perfection in GTK world where many nice themes has wrong scrollbars ( no 
good visual contrast in general ).

I just propose Aurora as any other proposals because is one of the best 
GTK themes - the main quality of Aurora -> equilibrate colors and 
gradients, every UI item remain readable and easy to recognize from a 
single look - scrollbars are visually unobtrusive.

The problem about I talk on my previous mail is "This was the engine 
that had no reason to exist right?" - It was not clear WHY ..no reason 
to exist. It's an offense or what ?.

Someone can interpret that as an intellectual fault addressed to the 
author (because no explanation).

So is better to affirm clean WHY some things should not be in existence.
For example "Nazism had no reason to exist..." ..because "...".
Aurora should exist even is the worst GTK theme - because author has its 
right to expression and ...Aurora don't kill peoples - (at least for that).

Very well if you can point Cimi here.
Maybe he can try to add the scrollbar principles from Aurora to Murrine.
This will be a good point.

Else the package -  Murrine / Clearlooks - has the main advantage - Cimi 
being Clearlooks maintainer and I see a good gtk hacker.

I hope I was clear about the language in use on that list.

Nothing to comment on points like "This list has been very supportive of 
Cimi" - So be it - let support Cimi work.

But "it's an unnecessary and bad fork of Murrine that shouldn't be 
supported by using it as a default engine." is not OK. No one tell you 
to support Aurora as the main engine. Parts of Aurora are good and can 
be useful. I put my proposal here as any other people.

Why is bad bad fork of Murrine ? - you can kill the right for free 
expression to other peoples ?.

It's your opinnion - right - but the words used are not OK.
So, please explain me WHY the Aurora is a bad Fork of Murrine. 
Convince-me with solid arguments please.

You can do it in a personal manner - not posting your response for 
entire list, You choose. I am a reasonable people and If you have right 
arguments - my respect for that.


I'll stay tuned.


Cory K. wrote:
> Nemes Ioan Sorin wrote:
>> This kind of answer should not exist, right ?
>> And I'm asking here all members of this list.
>>
>> So please do not respond without arguments - also please respond if you 
>> have something to say about. Else ..just to point here some vanity - 
>> this is not the scope of this list.
> 
> This list has been very supportive of Cimi and his work on Murrine. IMO
> (and that's what the internet is for right?) it's an unnecessary and bad
> fork of Murrine that shouldn't be supported by using it as a default engine.
> 
> Cimi can cite all the technical reasons and has shown screenshots where
> you cant tell which is which. Murrine or Aurora. I'll point him to this
> thread.
> 
> -Cory \m/
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Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks

[xl cheese]

like this:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/SmoothMergedGradients?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=HumanMetacity.png


Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:11:38 -0600From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]: Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looksOn Jan 23, 
2008 9:53 AM, xl cheese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


3.  If you want the lines gone you'll need to petition the gtk engine 
developers to allow me to add a patch to the clearlooks engine.  I'm running my 
altered version and the patch is transparent to the existing gtkrc's that 
already exist.  You have to just change the menubarstyle and toolbarstyle to a 
new option within the gtkrc.  I pinged them about adding my code to the engine, 
but received no response.  Guessing you want to see something more like this 
screenshot?  I can easily adjust the contrast of the menubar and toolbar 
gradients more or 
less.http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=73163&file1=73163-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=clearlooks+hack
 Be careful with this though... I used a couple themes like this and while 
looking very handsome and distinct, its hard to tell where to grab in order to 
move the window and I was frequently grabbing the toolbar or the menu bar 
instead of the title bar. I'm not saying this patch is bad, it could work, but 
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below" to avoid doing a +1 for looks and a -10 for usability.-- Matthew 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks

[xl cheese]

I agree 100%.  I just posted that pic as an example of the menubar and toolbars.
 
_however_  ...  http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=500437


Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:11:38 -0600From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]: Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looksOn Jan 23, 
2008 9:53 AM, xl cheese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


3.  If you want the lines gone you'll need to petition the gtk engine 
developers to allow me to add a patch to the clearlooks engine.  I'm running my 
altered version and the patch is transparent to the existing gtkrc's that 
already exist.  You have to just change the menubarstyle and toolbarstyle to a 
new option within the gtkrc.  I pinged them about adding my code to the engine, 
but received no response.  Guessing you want to see something more like this 
screenshot?  I can easily adjust the contrast of the menubar and toolbar 
gradients more or 
less.http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=73163&file1=73163-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=clearlooks+hack
 Be careful with this though... I used a couple themes like this and while 
looking very handsome and distinct, its hard to tell where to grab in order to 
move the window and I was frequently grabbing the toolbar or the menu bar 
instead of the title bar. I'm not saying this patch is bad, it could work, but 
the title bar should have some trait that says "grab me - not the toolbar just 
below" to avoid doing a +1 for looks and a -10 for usability.-- Matthew 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks

[Matthew Nuzum]

On Jan 23, 2008 9:53 AM, xl cheese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 3.  If you want the lines gone you'll need to petition the gtk engine
> developers to allow me to add a patch to the clearlooks engine.  I'm running
> my altered version and the patch is transparent to the existing gtkrc's that
> already exist.  You have to just change the menubarstyle and toolbarstyle to
> a new option within the gtkrc.  I pinged them about adding my code to the
> engine, but received no response.
>
> Guessing you want to see something more like this screenshot?  I can
> easily adjust the contrast of the menubar and toolbar gradients more or
> less.
>
> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=73163&file1=73163-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=clearlooks+hack
>
>
Be careful with this though... I used a couple themes like this and while
looking very handsome and distinct, its hard to tell where to grab in order
to move the window and I was frequently grabbing the toolbar or the menu bar
instead of the title bar.

I'm not saying this patch is bad, it could work, but the title bar should
have some trait that says "grab me - not the toolbar just below" to avoid
doing a +1 for looks and a -10 for usability.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks

[xl cheese]

If they don't want to add these changes to clearlooks we could go back to 
ubuntulooks and add the code there.  Either way it wouldn't be too hard.

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 
> 2008 16:58:37 +0100> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to 
> clear-looks> > On Wednesday 23 January 2008 16:53:00 xl cheese wrote:> > 1. 
> Easy fix. the metacity button prelights also need some tlc.> > 2. Easy fix.> 
> > Cool!> > > 3. If you want the lines gone you'll need to petition the gtk 
> engine> > developers to allow me to add a patch to the clearlooks engine. 
> I'm> > running my altered version and the patch is transparent to the 
> existing> > gtkrc's that already exist. You have to just change the 
> menubarstyle and> > toolbarstyle to a new option within the gtkrc. I pinged 
> them about adding> > my code to the engine, but received no response.> > Hrm, 
> I wonder if one of our developers who knows someone personally involved > 
> could get a better response> > > Guessing you want to see something more 
> like this screenshot? I can easily> > adjust the contrast of the menubar and 
> toolbar gradients more or less.> > 
> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=73163&file1=7316> 
> >3-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=clearlooks+hack> > Right, this is much more 
> inline with my imagination :-)> > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list> 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks

[Kenneth Wimer]

On Wednesday 23 January 2008 16:53:00 xl cheese wrote:
> 1.  Easy fix.  the metacity button prelights also need some tlc.
> 2.  Easy fix.

Cool!

> 3.  If you want the lines gone you'll need to petition the gtk engine
> developers to allow me to add a patch to the clearlooks engine.  I'm
> running my altered version and the patch is transparent to the existing
> gtkrc's that already exist.  You have to just change the menubarstyle and
> toolbarstyle to a new option within the gtkrc.  I pinged them about adding
> my code to the engine, but received no response.

Hrm, I wonder if one of our developers who knows someone personally involved 
could get a better response

> Guessing you want to see something more like this screenshot?  I can easily
> adjust the contrast of the menubar and toolbar gradients more or less.
> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=73163&file1=7316
>3-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=clearlooks+hack

Right, this is much more inline with my imagination :-)

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Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks

[Cory K.]

xl cheese wrote:
> 1.  Easy fix.  the metacity button prelights also need some tlc.
> 2.  Easy fix.
>  
> 3.  If you want the lines gone you'll need to petition the gtk engine
> developers to allow me to add a patch to the clearlooks engine.  I'm
> running my altered version and the patch is transparent to the
> existing gtkrc's that already exist.  You have to just change the
> menubarstyle and toolbarstyle to a new option within the gtkrc.  I
> pinged them about adding my code to the engine, but received no response.

Cimi last time I knew was on this list and he could add your patch to
Clearlooks.

>  
> Guessing you want to see something more like this screenshot?  I can
> easily adjust the contrast of the menubar and toolbar gradients more
> or less.
> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=73163&file1=73163-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=clearlooks+hack
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks

[xl cheese]

1.  Easy fix.  the metacity button prelights also need some tlc.
2.  Easy fix.
 
3.  If you want the lines gone you'll need to petition the gtk engine 
developers to allow me to add a patch to the clearlooks engine.  I'm running my 
altered version and the patch is transparent to the existing gtkrc's that 
already exist.  You have to just change the menubarstyle and toolbarstyle to a 
new option within the gtkrc.  I pinged them about adding my code to the engine, 
but received no response.
 
Guessing you want to see something more like this screenshot?  I can easily 
adjust the contrast of the menubar and toolbar gradients more or less.
http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=73163&file1=73163-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=clearlooks+hack
 



> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com> Subject: Re: 
> [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 
> 13:18:10 +0100> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hi,> > Thanks for the quick reply. 
> Here a few comments:> > 1) The window decoration seems too simple (the simple 
> window buttons are nice > though)> > 2) The overlay on the active menu items 
> seems a bit too pinkish/light. Not > sure how to explain this better - if it 
> is confusing I can make a screenshot > to explain what I mean> > 3) There is 
> a line between every menubar/toolbar/etc. I would prefer not using > any line 
> to seperate these.> > I am using your theme on my laptop, I'll report any 
> other issues/ideas as I > find them. Thanks again for the great work :-)> > 
> --> Ken> > On Wednesday 23 January 2008 02:39:31 xl cheese wrote:> > Gummy 
> version and the Glossy again. The previous glossy theme wasn't> > right.> >> 
> > Theres also a pixmap for the panel background. Tossed it in for fun.> >> > 
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com> > > Date: 
> Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:07:12 +0100> > > Subject: [ubuntu-art] moving from 
> ubuntu-looks to clear-looks> > >> > > Hi all,> > >> > > After discussing the 
> ubuntu-looks engine with a few developers we have> > > decided to look into 
> replacing it with clear-looks (or perhaps murrine)> > > for Hardy. This means 
> that we need a gtkrc of the new variety (which one> > > can change the colors 
> to afterwards) based on the current ubuntu theme.> > > After we have that we 
> can look into tweaking some colors. If anyone is> > > interested in working 
> on this let me know or post it as a response to> > > this email.> > >> > > 
> Thanks,> > > Ken> > >> > > --> > > ubuntu-art mailing list> > > 
> ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com> > > 
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art> >> > 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks

[astraljava]

Nemes Ioan Sorin wrote:
>> Nemes Ioan Sorin wrote:
>>> You should try Aurora engine and Aurora Themes
>>
> Cory K. wrote:
>> This was the engine that had no reason to exist right? The one forked
>> from Murrine and could be done within Murrine?
>
> This kind of answer should not exist, right ?
> And I'm asking here all members of this list.

I see no reason why it shouldn't.

> So please do not respond without arguments

Not sure what stands for an argument for you, but to me the redundancy
suggested by Cory was obvious; the functionality is already existing and
nothing new is being introduced. That's an argument for me.

> - also please respond if you
> have something to say about. Else ..just to point here some vanity -
> this is not the scope of this list.

The last I looked the description says "Discussion on Ubuntu artwork", so
I don't know how you view that line. But again, it's not a pointless post
by any means. Can you please elaborate how you felt it as a waste of
bandwidth?


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[ubuntu-art] Aurora shouldn't be used in Ubuntu for default themes.

[Cory K.]

Nemes Ioan Sorin wrote:
> This kind of answer should not exist, right ?
> And I'm asking here all members of this list.
>
> So please do not respond without arguments - also please respond if you 
> have something to say about. Else ..just to point here some vanity - 
> this is not the scope of this list.

This list has been very supportive of Cimi and his work on Murrine. IMO
(and that's what the internet is for right?) it's an unnecessary and bad
fork of Murrine that shouldn't be supported by using it as a default engine.

Cimi can cite all the technical reasons and has shown screenshots where
you cant tell which is which. Murrine or Aurora. I'll point him to this
thread.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks

[Kenneth Wimer]

Murrine is one of the two engines I considered changing to (either clear-looks 
or murrine, then). I am guessing that murrine is much more flexible than 
clear-looks. Personally, I like murrine very much ;-)

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On Wednesday 23 January 2008 14:16:54 Cory K. wrote:
> Nemes Ioan Sorin wrote:
> > You should try Aurora engine and Aurora Themes
>
> This was the engine that had no reason to exist right? The one forked
> from Murrine and could be done within Murrine?
>
> -Cory

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Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks

[Nemes Ioan Sorin]

This kind of answer should not exist, right ?
And I'm asking here all members of this list.

So please do not respond without arguments - also please respond if you 
have something to say about. Else ..just to point here some vanity - 
this is not the scope of this list.


Cory K. wrote:
> Nemes Ioan Sorin wrote:
>> You should try Aurora engine and Aurora Themes
> 
> This was the engine that had no reason to exist right? The one forked
> from Murrine and could be done within Murrine?
> 
> -Cory
> 


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Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks

[Cory K.]

Nemes Ioan Sorin wrote:
> You should try Aurora engine and Aurora Themes

This was the engine that had no reason to exist right? The one forked
from Murrine and could be done within Murrine?

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Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks

[Kenneth Wimer]

On Wednesday 23 January 2008 13:18:10 Kenneth Wimer wrote:
> I am using your theme on my laptop, I'll report any other issues/ideas as I
> find them. Thanks again for the great work :-)
>

Another thing that I noticed is that the background of the volume applet is 
messed up as it seems to tile a gradient :-(

> --
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>
> On Wednesday 23 January 2008 02:39:31 xl cheese wrote:
> > Gummy version and the Glossy again.  The previous glossy theme wasn't
> > right.
> >
> > Theres also a pixmap for the panel background.  Tossed it in for fun.
> >
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
> > > Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:07:12 +0100
> > > Subject: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > After discussing the ubuntu-looks engine with a few developers we have
> > > decided to look into replacing it with clear-looks (or perhaps murrine)
> > > for Hardy. This means that we need a gtkrc of the new variety (which
> > > one can change the colors to afterwards) based on the current ubuntu
> > > theme. After we have that we can look into tweaking some colors. If
> > > anyone is interested in working on this let me know or post it as a
> > > response to this email.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Ken
> > >
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Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks

[Kenneth Wimer]

Hi,

Thanks for the quick reply. Here a few comments:

1) The window decoration seems too simple (the simple window buttons are nice 
though)

2) The overlay on the active menu items seems a bit too pinkish/light. Not 
sure how to explain this better - if it is confusing I can make a screenshot 
to explain what I mean

3) There is a line between every menubar/toolbar/etc. I would prefer not using 
any line to seperate these.

I am using your theme on my laptop, I'll report any other issues/ideas as I 
find them. Thanks again for the great work :-)

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On Wednesday 23 January 2008 02:39:31 xl cheese wrote:
> Gummy version and the Glossy again.  The previous glossy theme wasn't
> right.
>
> Theres also a pixmap for the panel background.  Tossed it in for fun.
>
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
> > Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:07:12 +0100
> > Subject: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > After discussing the ubuntu-looks engine with a few developers we have
> > decided to look into replacing it with clear-looks (or perhaps murrine)
> > for Hardy. This means that we need a gtkrc of the new variety (which one
> > can change the colors to afterwards) based on the current ubuntu theme.
> > After we have that we can look into tweaking some colors. If anyone is
> > interested in working on this let me know or post it as a response to
> > this email.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ken
> >
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Re: [ubuntu-art] moving from ubuntu-looks to clear-looks

[Nemes Ioan Sorin]

You should try Aurora engine and Aurora Themes before (v1.3 AND 1.4)
some of them here (please check links from the page) 
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=566881&page=2
(Aurora Borealis is a good example).

A .deb with the new Aurora Engine (v.1.4) 
http://www.costmoon.ro/aurora/gtk2-engines-aurora_1.4-1_i386.deb

Over other themes Aurora has a strong point that many nice themes ignore 
to fix (scrollbars are visible and visually unobtrusive and ..apart of 
well known gtk2 standard scrollbar).

Also clear-looks was almost perfect in Gummy version but now I see 
Andrea change back active tabs gradients into a colored line (gradient 
was OK ..and modern).


Kenneth Wimer wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> After discussing the ubuntu-looks engine with a few developers we have 
> decided 
> to look into replacing it with clear-looks (or perhaps murrine) for Hardy. 
> This means that we need a gtkrc of the new variety (which one can change the 
> colors to afterwards) based on the current ubuntu theme. After we have that 
> we can look into tweaking some colors. If anyone is interested in working on 
> this let me know or post it as a response to this email.
> 
> Thanks,
> Ken
> 


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