Re: [ubuntu-art] Whats Up with This?
On Tuesday 01 July 2008 14:57:23 Julian Oliver wrote: ..on or around Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 03:27:16PM +0300 SorinN wrote: regarding: See the complaints? We cannot let this happen. This theme is even worse then the default of Hardy 1. Well my question is about worse word. What is so worse .. ? 2. indeed some things could be improved. Scrollbars are almost invisible - which is not good - always you have to loose 1 or 2 seconds to focus your look to see if is something scrollable or not - but if the bar is colored and visible you will know from start if is something to scroll It's clear, the author is not a fervent reader of usability books - but hey - the rest is pretty clear and clean - he has talent he need ideas / help not this kind of remarks. 3. Criticism must be positive - I mean - if something is not good - let solve the problem, talk about problems not shoot the people... I'm got tired of Neanderthal positivism on almost all places - this community must think in a superior way. 4. Anyway this theme will make it's history between graphic artists, gamers - not office dedicated peoples, etc. On my opinion is one if the best dark theme that I see on last months - clearly defined buttons, elegant metacity theme. The only drawback - scrollbars not visible. I think that soriN made some pretty good points and understands things better than most, shown first and foremost through his/her interest in making constructive criticism instead of suggesting murdering me :-) regardless, it's clear that many people feel very strongly that they don't like the theme in its current iteration. i suggest you read some of their comments. my experience of it is also that it's a pretty poor dark theme. http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums?a=tpcamp;s=50009562amp;f=17409 6756amp;m=299007113931amp;r=299007113931 Sorry but I fail to see how much intelligent feedback can be taken from that. Every release there are people wanting to kill me, say that I have smeared you-know-what everywhere, etc. In my experience it is an almost normal response. Remember we are still working on this theme - it will improve. Realistically speaking we won't make this the default for 8.10 anyway, unless we can fix all the many problems apps seem to have using dark themes. For now it is a test which hurts nobody during an alpha. I even question how many people are actually running the alpha and not just formulating their opinions based on screenshots. from: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080629-horny-for-ubuntu-8-10-first-l ook-at-intrepid-ibex.html Actually, I think that this description of the theme fits pretty well. I'll say it again, we are testing a dark theme to find out whether it is even possible to use one or not. We are collecting information the best way possible -- by putting a dark theme in an important distro which is seen by many BEFORE it really makes a difference (and while there is still time to revert). regardless, instead of just diving in there now and making changes - you fixing the scrollbars, me trying to return some sane contrast to the colour palette - i feel it would be wise to provide a central forum for /users/ of the theme to make constructive criticisms. it could take the form of a sticky thread setup by one of the moderators at Ubuntu Forums, alongside similar forums in other languages. Several of the 3D elements need improvement. The scrollbars being the most blatant example. In order to change this, we'd need to pay a developer who knows the code to fulfill our wishes. currently, the criticisms are spread both too widely and in contexts not constructive to collating well-meaning, useful feedback.. I am in the process of creating a feedback page in which people can post the problems they are having with apps (and screenshots thereof) so that we get an overview of things and find out where the problems are. I'll post more about this soon. In any case it will not be a page in which people can vent their hatred and nasty comments - that is what the forum is for ;-) (the second half of that poorly formed sentence was a joke). -- Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Whats Up with This?
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Realistically speaking we won't make this the default for 8.10 anyway, unless we can fix all the many problems apps seem to have using dark themes. For now it is a test which hurts nobody during an alpha. I even question how many people are actually running the alpha and not just formulating their opinions based on screenshots. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080629-horny-for-ubuntu-8-10-first-l ook-at-intrepid-ibex.html Actually, I think that this description of the theme fits pretty well. I'll say it again, we are testing a dark theme to find out whether it is even possible to use one or not. We are collecting information the best way possible -- by putting a dark theme in an important distro which is seen by many BEFORE it really makes a difference (and while there is still time to revert). currently, the criticisms are spread both too widely and in contexts not constructive to collating well-meaning, useful feedback.. I am in the process of creating a feedback page in which people can post the problems they are having with apps (and screenshots thereof) so that we get an overview of things and find out where the problems are. I'll post more about this soon. In any case it will not be a page in which people can vent their hatred and nasty comments - that is what the forum is for ;-) (the second half of that poorly formed sentence was a joke). Some people on planet.ubuntu.com should blog about this in order to get more constructive feedback. I saw on that forums comment linked previously someone alluded to bugs in apps they used, which is the wrong place to do that. :-( Just the feedback we wanted but not in a way we can easily use. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Whats Up with This?
I see the comments Julian - but I have some expertize in design so I can recognize values on that kind of things - so if someone wrote something - must be true ..hmm, ...just because ???. for example if I remember well WE agreed on the past to not consider comments like : That theme is a show stopper. Eww.. OR Yeah. That theme makes me want to puke... I won't even give Ubuntu 8.10 a try if it ships with that crap as a default theme. OR We thought you were Cuckoo for Coco Puffs not Horny for Linux OR Jumping Jackrabbits! Is someone has something to say ..arguments please, ... else millions of other forums wait out somewhere. On other hands, Ibex internal GUI team make not just big - but a huge mistake - all that peoples who think that a dark theme will succeed for a distro who wants to touch the mainstream - public institutions, enterprises and in general a large scale public - they just wrong. I like the theme, it's ok - but my professional opinion vote down. Sorry. I dream for an ...every people Ubuntu. On his most generously shape. This theme is perfect suitable for artists or for Gnome fans with some free time. To have a dark theme ( being the theme about we talk one other one, is unproductive - think about to peoples which work with forms everyday... U see, I not agree with a dark default theme too - because I am from the Design / GUI design area ( I got my money doing that ) but I make the difference - I know such kind of themes will not become too popular for the masses - but particularly I like the theme ( for me ), except the dark scrollbars and the pressed gnome buttons that are not very clear defined, so I give just an advice to author. Back to the the living beans planet, in forums I like explain my points of view and to stay away from my primary impulses ( thousands years of civilization should let some fingertips over peoples no ? ) so - I'll never say something like this theme suck ..., because it's not my level. On short: 1. I vote down for this theme. Sorry. 2. I'll use this theme on my free time doing artworks, because I like it. I think I'll change the scrollbar color before ;) 2008/7/1 Julian Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ..on or around Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 03:27:16PM +0300 SorinN wrote: regarding: See the complaints? We cannot let this happen. This theme is even worse then the default of Hardy 1. Well my question is about worse word. What is so worse .. ? 2. indeed some things could be improved. Scrollbars are almost invisible - which is not good - always you have to loose 1 or 2 seconds to focus your look to see if is something scrollable or not - but if the bar is colored and visible you will know from start if is something to scroll It's clear, the author is not a fervent reader of usability books - but hey - the rest is pretty clear and clean - he has talent he need ideas / help not this kind of remarks. 3. Criticism must be positive - I mean - if something is not good - let solve the problem, talk about problems not shoot the people... I'm got tired of Neanderthal positivism on almost all places - this community must think in a superior way. 4. Anyway this theme will make it's history between graphic artists, gamers - not office dedicated peoples, etc. On my opinion is one if the best dark theme that I see on last months - clearly defined buttons, elegant metacity theme. The only drawback - scrollbars not visible. regardless, it's clear that many people feel very strongly that they don't like the theme in its current iteration. i suggest you read some of their comments. my experience of it is also that it's a pretty poor dark theme. http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums?a=tpcamp;s=50009562amp;f=174096756amp;m=299007113931amp;r=299007113931 from: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080629-horny-for-ubuntu-8-10-first-look-at-intrepid-ibex.html regardless, instead of just diving in there now and making changes - you fixing the scrollbars, me trying to return some sane contrast to the colour palette - i feel it would be wise to provide a central forum for /users/ of the theme to make constructive criticisms. it could take the form of a sticky thread setup by one of the moderators at Ubuntu Forums, alongside similar forums in other languages. currently, the criticisms are spread both too widely and in contexts not constructive to collating well-meaning, useful feedback.. cheers, -- julian oliver http://julianoliver.com http://selectparks.net messages containing HTML will not be read. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Nemes Ioan Sorin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Elegant Brit
It's a bit off topic here, but on the topic of GNOME Do, I've always thought it would do well if it never disappeared. Rather, it would be visible behind all windows by default, then switch to being on top when the user presses the hot key. That way, it could indeed serve as an excellent launcher and be very discoverable. Only two issues: -First off, it uses Mono. I frankly don't mind at all (in fact I still like Mono because the project is responsible for the best IDE in this whole ecosystem). However, that could get the BoycottNovell loonies up in arms. Again. -Secondly, users have to know what they are looking for to find something with GNOME Do. Thus, it has to be secondary. GNOME's main menu may look old fashioned, but the reason we still use it is because it is the only one of the bunch (and I am definitely counting proprietary desktops here) which has been well designed. The Places / Applications / System sections are fantastic because users don't need to learn some obscure button to click (like Control Panel, located to the middle right of the menu); they instead just need to categorize what they are looking for, which is pretty easy. In addition, this being a simple menu is really helpful when we think about the tunnel vision users; the types who phone for help because they have managed to completely Not Notice the large grey area occupying the right side of Windows' Start menu. So, I semi-agree, but not as The launcher; merely A launcher. It would have to look secondary, though, which may be tricky. Bye, -Dylan On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 9:45 PM, Michael McKinley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 6:18 PM, fruchtschwert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 18.06.2008, 01:28 +0100 schrieb Who: On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 7:42 PM, Conn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Who [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Distinctive: No other OS looks like this BUT it doesn't break usability I.E it's unique and usable... All elements (with the possible exception of the menus that really need an outline if you want to use them without a shadow-porviding WM) If by usability you mean the ability to use, I'll have to disagree. There is no way a mainstream distribution should sacrifice basic accessibility for aesthetics. In case you didn't get what I'm hinting at, it's the razor-thin scrollbars and scale sliders. My bad, you're right about these. Hey, I wanted to propose a very flexible and amazing launcher for intrepid, GNOME Do! http://do.davebsd.com/ I like the idea. When I used KDE, I was a big fan of Katapult. One thing we might want if this was included is some sort of Tracker integration (I didn't see it mentioned on the website/plugins list) -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Whats Up with This?
I'll say it again, we are testing a dark theme to find out whether it is even possible to use one or not. Getting this message out before the alpha release would have been a good idea, in retrospect. I know there is no way to avoid TehMobMind over at Digg and the inevitable comments from people who hold a bizarre fascination with their own feces, the endlessly clever guesses about what the next build code name should be, etc...but some of the other comments might have been tempered if the writer at Ars was more informed (not that anyone at Digg would RTFA) about the goals of the dark theme. (Actually, I think the Ars piece was acceptable) Alphas should absolutely be a place for playing around with ideas, testing concepts...I don't think Digg or even Ars should be given room to discourage experimentation. Some PlanetUbuntu posts might have helped. And I'm wondering about the feasibility of some kind of doc/readme, slide show, or even pre-loaded Tomboy note, that would pop up or sit on the desktop only in the alphas, which would explain some of these things as well as whatever other changes Ubuntu might be looking into. With this release we are exploring ... with this app, that app, and so on. Any constructive criticism should be left at such and such place...blah blah. If you have this hardware or that hardware we are particularly interested in your experiences with blah-de-blah...Thanks for trying this build and aiding in the growth of such and such. EveOnline and other endeavors suffer the same kind of ZOMG I'm not participating anymore because things have changed!!! and even when they try to be open and transparent by making use of dev blogs, audio interviews, video interviews, (and in EveOnline's case an oft ignored test server)...these reactions still exist. But at least they can point to some effort to keep users informed. Whether users chose to read, listen, or view the material is another matter. What you end up with are the informed vs the uninformed, and they can duke it out with each other. Seems like most of this info is out there in different places for each project. Having it gathered together and presented clearly and succinctly - not talking about pages of technical info here, thinking about the kind of thing displayed during an XP install...but more informative...um, and not during the install - would get a more useful response out of the community, instead of death threats, insults, and Mob fear reaction. NOW, for my question. :) If the dark theme is an experiment, what is the fallback? Is it unity? Something else entirely? Ashton On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:17 AM, SorinN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see the comments Julian - but I have some expertize in design so I can recognize values on that kind of things - so if someone wrote something - must be true ..hmm, ...just because ???. for example if I remember well WE agreed on the past to not consider comments like : That theme is a show stopper. Eww.. OR Yeah. That theme makes me want to puke... I won't even give Ubuntu 8.10 a try if it ships with that crap as a default theme. OR We thought you were Cuckoo for Coco Puffs not Horny for Linux OR Jumping Jackrabbits! Is someone has something to say ..arguments please, ... else millions of other forums wait out somewhere. On other hands, Ibex internal GUI team make not just big - but a huge mistake - all that peoples who think that a dark theme will succeed for a distro who wants to touch the mainstream - public institutions, enterprises and in general a large scale public - they just wrong. I like the theme, it's ok - but my professional opinion vote down. Sorry. I dream for an ...every people Ubuntu. On his most generously shape. This theme is perfect suitable for artists or for Gnome fans with some free time. To have a dark theme ( being the theme about we talk one other one, is unproductive - think about to peoples which work with forms everyday... U see, I not agree with a dark default theme too - because I am from the Design / GUI design area ( I got my money doing that ) but I make the difference - I know such kind of themes will not become too popular for the masses - but particularly I like the theme ( for me ), except the dark scrollbars and the pressed gnome buttons that are not very clear defined, so I give just an advice to author. Back to the the living beans planet, in forums I like explain my points of view and to stay away from my primary impulses ( thousands years of civilization should let some fingertips over peoples no ? ) so - I'll never say something like this theme suck ..., because it's not my level. On short: 1. I vote down for this theme. Sorry. 2. I'll use this theme on my free time doing artworks, because I like it. I think I'll change the scrollbar color before ;) 2008/7/1 Julian Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ..on or around Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 03:27:16PM +0300 SorinN wrote: regarding: See the
Re: [ubuntu-art] Whats Up with This?
Hey, list. I'm new, and chiming in for the first time here because, well, I felt challenged to. I'm not particularly technical--my background is in art--and I don't know the first thing about making a theme besides having tweaked my login screen a bit, but I do know a little about color theory and typography and design, and I'd like to help. Is this the right place for me? I note: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 4:42 AM, Julian Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i really do think Mark needs to consult someone with provable understanding in colour-theory and design to ensure the next release actually looks good. it would seem no-one that can actually make a theme is near enough to someone that understands this stuff to pull off a good result for Ubuntu. i suggested it a couple of years ago on this list: in the absence of actual designers, perhaps a graphic design school could 'audit' the default theme as part of a class project, coming up with a few mockups within the scope of what's doable in GTK? at the least we could give them existing screenshots and have them manipulate the colour field until better results are found.. which certainly suggests an absence of designers on the list (possible a niche I could help fill); but also On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Nick Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I'm getting at I suppose is that whilst obviously there will be technical/accessibility issues which are best reported on launchpad, there will also be more abstract/vague art-critic/audience-critic responses which would be best place somewhere else (forums/wiki/individuals blogs)? which seems to be saying that some on this list don't want art critic responses here. Is there another place a creative, non-technical person can be of help? Thanks! -- Christina -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Whats Up with This?
Alphas should absolutely be a place for playing around with ideas, testing concepts...I don't think Digg or even Ars should be given room to discourage experimentation. Some PlanetUbuntu posts might have helped. And I'm wondering about the feasibility of some kind of doc/readme, slide show, or even pre-loaded Tomboy note, that would pop up or sit on the desktop only in the alphas, which would explain some of these things as well as whatever other changes Ubuntu might be looking into. With this release we are exploring ... with this app, that app, and so on. Any constructive criticism should be left at such and such place...blah blah. If you have this hardware or that hardware we are particularly interested in your experiences with blah-de-blah...Thanks for trying this build and aiding in the growth of such and such. Good timing! I just started a thread on the ubuntu-marketing mailing list with this very thought. The artwork in the development version should be much more blatantly in development, with warning messages printed on them to make it clear. Those update info popups could also be used more for testing purposes; in our case, pointing out that a theme is one of many candidates and that bug reports should be filed at launchpad.net (particularly in the case of dark ones!) NOW, for my question. :) If the dark theme is an experiment, what is the fallback? Is it unity? Something else entirely? I think New Wave is an excellent fallback. For some reason it is being classified by some as a dark theme, but I don't think it is. It has darkly coloured highlights (in the example), and those highlights are spread out much more than usual. Quite interesting to look at, really... Bye, -Dylan signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Whats Up with This?
..on or around Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 10:26:17AM -0600 Ashton wrote: I'll say it again, we are testing a dark theme to find out whether it is even possible to use one or not. Alphas should absolutely be a place for playing around with ideas, testing concepts...I don't think Digg or even Ars should be given room to discourage experimentation. Some PlanetUbuntu posts might have helped. And I'm wondering about the feasibility of some kind of doc/readme, slide show, or even pre-loaded Tomboy note, that would pop up or sit on the desktop only in the alphas, which would explain some of these things as well as whatever other changes Ubuntu might be looking into. With this release we are exploring ... with this app, that app, and so on. Any constructive criticism should be left at such and such place...blah blah. If you have this hardware or that hardware we are particularly interested in your experiences with blah-de-blah...Thanks for trying this build and aiding in the growth of such and such. i think this is a good idea.. if the Tomboy notes aren't feasible, at the very least it could be a glaring README.html on the desktop. -- julian oliver http://julianoliver.com http://selectparks.net messages containing HTML will not be read. On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:17 AM, SorinN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see the comments Julian - but I have some expertize in design so I can recognize values on that kind of things - so if someone wrote something - must be true ..hmm, ...just because ???. for example if I remember well WE agreed on the past to not consider comments like : That theme is a show stopper. Eww.. OR Yeah. That theme makes me want to puke... I won't even give Ubuntu 8.10 a try if it ships with that crap as a default theme. OR We thought you were Cuckoo for Coco Puffs not Horny for Linux OR Jumping Jackrabbits! Is someone has something to say ..arguments please, ... else millions of other forums wait out somewhere. On other hands, Ibex internal GUI team make not just big - but a huge mistake - all that peoples who think that a dark theme will succeed for a distro who wants to touch the mainstream - public institutions, enterprises and in general a large scale public - they just wrong. I like the theme, it's ok - but my professional opinion vote down. Sorry. I dream for an ...every people Ubuntu. On his most generously shape. This theme is perfect suitable for artists or for Gnome fans with some free time. To have a dark theme ( being the theme about we talk one other one, is unproductive - think about to peoples which work with forms everyday... U see, I not agree with a dark default theme too - because I am from the Design / GUI design area ( I got my money doing that ) but I make the difference - I know such kind of themes will not become too popular for the masses - but particularly I like the theme ( for me ), except the dark scrollbars and the pressed gnome buttons that are not very clear defined, so I give just an advice to author. Back to the the living beans planet, in forums I like explain my points of view and to stay away from my primary impulses ( thousands years of civilization should let some fingertips over peoples no ? ) so - I'll never say something like this theme suck ..., because it's not my level. On short: 1. I vote down for this theme. Sorry. 2. I'll use this theme on my free time doing artworks, because I like it. I think I'll change the scrollbar color before ;) 2008/7/1 Julian Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ..on or around Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 03:27:16PM +0300 SorinN wrote: regarding: See the complaints? We cannot let this happen. This theme is even worse then the default of Hardy 1. Well my question is about worse word. What is so worse .. ? 2. indeed some things could be improved. Scrollbars are almost invisible - which is not good - always you have to loose 1 or 2 seconds to focus your look to see if is something scrollable or not - but if the bar is colored and visible you will know from start if is something to scroll It's clear, the author is not a fervent reader of usability books - but hey - the rest is pretty clear and clean - he has talent he need ideas / help not this kind of remarks. 3. Criticism must be positive - I mean - if something is not good - let solve the problem, talk about problems not shoot the people... I'm got tired of Neanderthal positivism on almost all places - this community must think in a superior way. 4. Anyway this theme will make it's history between graphic artists, gamers - not office dedicated peoples, etc. On my opinion is one if the best dark theme that I see on last months - clearly defined buttons, elegant metacity theme. The only drawback - scrollbars not visible. regardless, it's clear that many people
Re: [ubuntu-art] Whats Up with This?
..on or around Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 12:44:54PM -0400 Christina Eater wrote: Hey, list. I'm new, and chiming in for the first time here because, well, I felt challenged to. I'm not particularly technical--my background is in art--and I don't know the first thing about making a theme besides having tweaked my login screen a bit, but I do know a little about color theory and typography and design, and I'd like to help. Is this the right place for me? I note: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 4:42 AM, Julian Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i really do think Mark needs to consult someone with provable understanding in colour-theory and design to ensure the next release actually looks good. it would seem no-one that can actually make a theme is near enough to someone that understands this stuff to pull off a good result for Ubuntu. i suggested it a couple of years ago on this list: in the absence of actual designers, perhaps a graphic design school could 'audit' the default theme as part of a class project, coming up with a few mockups within the scope of what's doable in GTK? at the least we could give them existing screenshots and have them manipulate the colour field until better results are found.. which certainly suggests an absence of designers on the list (possible a niche I could help fill); but also On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Nick Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I'm getting at I suppose is that whilst obviously there will be technical/accessibility issues which are best reported on launchpad, there will also be more abstract/vague art-critic/audience-critic responses which would be best place somewhere else (forums/wiki/individuals blogs)? which seems to be saying that some on this list don't want art critic responses here. Is there another place a creative, non-technical person can be of help? well it's certainly great that you wrote in. i think we need more of your skills right here; here is a great place to start helping. while i'm far from an authority on where efforts should be spent right now, i i'd suggest that some constructive, educated criticism of the theme that's currently shipping with the Ubuntu 8.10 (intrepid) Alpha would be useful for us all. what would you do to improve it, if at all? what are it's strengths and weaknesses, if any? cheers, -- julian oliver http://julianoliver.com http://selectparks.net messages containing HTML will not be read. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] NewHuman feedback
Hi Kenneth and the rest of the list, A thread with a descriptive title for once. Sorry about that. I've now been dogfooding NewHuman on my Hardy box for a few days. Here's what I've gathered: Reactions - * My GMail in firefox does not look particularly good anymore. This goes for most web pages with native widgets in them. I don't see any easy solution to fix this in a dark theme. For Gmail atleast nudging the base brown color a tad towards the lighter gray makes it more in line with the GMail colors. Sorry to be so GMail centric, the same idea should apply to many other websites. * The top line for the active window in the metacity theme is really cool and a clever idea. Disregarding that it does however get a little on my nerves when I read my window titles. I tried inversing the gradient in the attached screenshot. Now let's see how that fares for a few days :-) * As noted elsewhere the scrollbar handles are too hard to see for my olde eyes * Ditto for tabs in firefox. All the backgrounded tabs appear as a black haze to me * The color of the menu highlight strikes me as especially pleasing each time I open a menu. Love it. * Curved highlights on menu items appear out of place compared to the über cool matte buttons Engine Ideas I have a few ideas that require changes in the engine. If I can get it working without to much hazzle I'll look at the following (having upstream as patch target - NOT a fork!): * Make tab highlights match the window border highlights * Generally highlights everywhere to match window decoration in some way. Menu item, button hover, etc. * Any other ideas (that are likely to not require much work)? Conclusions -- * Solid start for venturing into dark-theme-territory. * I am still not convinced that all-out-dark themes are good on the whole. They strain my eyes in the long run, and many web sites look weird with dark controls. These are unfixable problems. * I believe that the New Wave guys are on to something. A hybrid dark, gray, light theme with orange highlights can work very well. This makes it possible to loose the dark controls in web pages. Cheers, Mikkel attachment: newer-human.png-- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Can I get the source for the intrepid ibex alpha one theme?
2008/6/30 Isaiah Heyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Looks pretty cool and fun to play around with. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/human-theme Click the 0.20 link at the top of the list. It took me a while to discover this :-) You'll need the murrine engine installed. Cheers, Mikkel -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Suggestion for more wallpapers -- Re: Whats Up with This?
Ravindra makes a good point -- each release should have a better selection of alternate wallpapers. I posted a bunch of open source photographs a few days back on the Desktop Background Submissions page, all taken from the WikiMedia site. I selected each of them for their inherent mixture of brown with other lively colors (reds, blues, yellows, etc). Incidentally, they would all look good with the dark theme in Alpha 1, or New Wave (the next heir apparent). Though I include the link to the web sources below each photo, the links don't display properly and are only viewable by going into edit mode in the wiki. I hope the art team will consider including them, or at least the idea of encouraging open source photography in general. Regards, Brian Fleeger - Original Message From: Ravindra Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2008 4:17:17 AM Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Whats Up with This? I have a small suggestion to make, I have noticed that a normal Ubuntu live CD installation has at a maximum of 2 or 3 wallpapers by default while other distros such as Opensuse, Fedora, Linux Mint etc have at least 7 or 8. It would be nice if some of the art submitted at Ubuntu Art could be included also in the Live CD to give a user more choice. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Suggestion for more wallpapers -- Re: Whats Up with This?
Yes, I totally agree. Please, please include a more diverse selection of alternate wallpapers in the Intrepid release. There should be no problem even including more than 7 or 8 On 7/1/08, Brian Fleeger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ravindra makes a good point -- each release should have a better selection of alternate wallpapers. I posted a bunch of open source photographs a few days back on the Desktop Background Submissions page, all taken from the WikiMedia site. I selected each of them for their inherent mixture of brown with other lively colors (reds, blues, yellows, etc). Incidentally, they would all look good with the dark theme in Alpha 1, or New Wave (the next heir apparent). Though I include the link to the web sources below each photo, the links don't display properly and are only viewable by going into edit mode in the wiki. I hope the art team will consider including them, or at least the idea of encouraging open source photography in general. Regards, Brian Fleeger - Original Message From: Ravindra Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2008 4:17:17 AM Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Whats Up with This? I have a small suggestion to make, I have noticed that a normal Ubuntu live CD installation has at a maximum of 2 or 3 wallpapers by default while other distros such as Opensuse, Fedora, Linux Mint etc have at least 7 or 8. It would be nice if some of the art submitted at Ubuntu Art could be included also in the Live CD to give a user more choice. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Suggestion for more wallpapers -- Re: Whats Up with This?
I'm relatively new to the list, but based on some of the work I've already seen, damn...there's no shortage of interesting wallpapers out there. Wallpapers are pretty small -- there's some great stuff out there. On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 11:16 PM, Mark Devet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I totally agree. Please, please include a more diverse selection of alternate wallpapers in the Intrepid release. There should be no problem even including more than 7 or 8 On 7/1/08, Brian Fleeger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ravindra makes a good point -- each release should have a better selection of alternate wallpapers. I posted a bunch of open source photographs a few days back on the Desktop Background Submissions page, all taken from the WikiMedia site. I selected each of them for their inherent mixture of brown with other lively colors (reds, blues, yellows, etc). Incidentally, they would all look good with the dark theme in Alpha 1, or New Wave (the next heir apparent). Though I include the link to the web sources below each photo, the links don't display properly and are only viewable by going into edit mode in the wiki. I hope the art team will consider including them, or at least the idea of encouraging open source photography in general. Regards, Brian Fleeger - Original Message From: Ravindra Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2008 4:17:17 AM Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Whats Up with This? I have a small suggestion to make, I have noticed that a normal Ubuntu live CD installation has at a maximum of 2 or 3 wallpapers by default while other distros such as Opensuse, Fedora, Linux Mint etc have at least 7 or 8. It would be nice if some of the art submitted at Ubuntu Art could be included also in the Live CD to give a user more choice. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] graphic designer fyi
Hi, I just wanted to draw your attention to the ubuntu employment page at www.ubuntu.com/employment. There is a graphic designer position open. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
