>I'll say it again, we are testing a dark theme to find out whether it is even possible to use one or not.
Getting this message out before the alpha release would have been a good idea, in retrospect. I know there is no way to avoid TehMobMind over at Digg and the inevitable comments from people who hold a bizarre fascination with their own feces, the endlessly clever guesses about what the next build code name should be, etc...but some of the other comments might have been tempered if the writer at Ars was more informed (not that anyone at Digg would RTFA) about the goals of the dark theme. (Actually, I think the Ars piece was acceptable) Alphas should absolutely be a place for playing around with ideas, testing concepts...I don't think Digg or even Ars should be given room to discourage experimentation. Some PlanetUbuntu posts might have helped. And I'm wondering about the feasibility of some kind of doc/readme, slide show, or even pre-loaded Tomboy note, that would pop up or sit on the desktop only in the alphas, which would explain some of these things as well as whatever other changes Ubuntu might be looking into. "With this release we are exploring ... with this app, that app, and so on. Any constructive criticism should be left at such and such place...blah blah. If you have this hardware or that hardware we are particularly interested in your experiences with blah-de-blah...Thanks for trying this build and aiding in the growth of such and such." EveOnline and other endeavors suffer the same kind of "ZOMG I'm not participating anymore because things have changed!!!" and even when they try to be open and transparent by making use of dev blogs, audio interviews, video interviews, (and in EveOnline's case an oft ignored test server)...these reactions still exist. But at least they can point to some effort to keep users informed. Whether users chose to read, listen, or view the material is another matter. What you end up with are the informed vs the uninformed, and they can duke it out with each other. Seems like most of this info is out there in different places for each project. Having it gathered together and presented clearly and succinctly - not talking about pages of technical info here, thinking about the kind of thing displayed during an XP install...but more informative...um, and not during the install - would get a more useful response out of the community, instead of death threats, insults, and Mob fear reaction. NOW, for my question. :) If the dark theme is an experiment, what is the fallback? Is it "unity"? Something else entirely? Ashton On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:17 AM, SorinN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I see the comments Julian - but I have some expertize in design so I > can recognize values on that kind of things - so if someone wrote > something -> must be true ..hmm, ...just because ???. > > for example if I remember well WE agreed on the past to not consider > comments like : > " That theme is a show stopper. Eww.." > OR > "Yeah. That theme makes me want to puke... I won't even give Ubuntu > 8.10 a try if it ships with that crap as a default theme." > OR > "We thought you were "Cuckoo for Coco Puffs" not "Horny for Linux" > OR > "Jumping Jackrabbits!" > > Is someone has something to say ..arguments please, ... else millions > of other forums wait out somewhere. > > On other hands, Ibex internal GUI team make not just big - but a huge > mistake - all that peoples who think that a dark theme will succeed > for a distro who wants to touch the mainstream - public institutions, > enterprises and in general a large scale public - they just wrong. I > like the theme, it's ok - but my professional opinion vote down. > Sorry. I dream for an ..."every people" Ubuntu. On his most generously > shape. > > This theme is perfect suitable for artists or for Gnome fans with some > free time. > > To have a dark theme ( being the theme about we talk one other one, is > unproductive - think about to peoples which work with forms > everyday... > > U see, I not agree with a dark default theme too - because I am from > the Design / GUI design area ( I got my money doing that ) but I make > the difference - I know such kind of themes will not become too > popular for the masses - but particularly I like the theme ( for me > ), except the dark scrollbars and the pressed gnome buttons that are > not very clear defined, so I give just an advice to author. > > Back to the the living beans planet, in forums I like explain my > points of view and to stay away from my primary impulses ( thousands > years of civilization should let some fingertips over peoples no ? ) > so - I'll never say something like " this theme suck ...", because > it's not my level. > > On short: > > 1. I vote down for this theme. Sorry. > 2. I'll use this theme on my free time doing artworks, because I like > it. I think I'll change the scrollbar color before ;) > > > > 2008/7/1 Julian Oliver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > ..on or around Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 03:27:16PM +0300 SorinN wrote: > >> regarding: > >> > See the complaints? We cannot let this happen. This theme is even > worse > >> > then the default of Hardy.... > >> > >> 1. Well my question is about "worse" word. What is so worse .. ? > >> > >> 2. indeed some things could be improved. Scrollbars are almost > >> invisible - which is not good - always you have to loose 1 or 2 > >> seconds to focus your look to see if is something scrollable or not - > >> but if the bar is colored and visible you will know from start if is > >> something to scroll.... > >> > >> It's clear, the author is not a fervent reader of usability books - > >> but hey - the rest is pretty clear and clean - he has talent he need > >> ideas / help not this kind of remarks. > >> > >> 3. Criticism must be "positive" - I mean -> if something is not good > >> -> let solve the problem, talk about problems not shoot the people... > >> I'm got tired of "Neanderthal positivism" on almost all places - this > >> community must think in a superior way. > >> > >> 4. Anyway this theme will make it's history between graphic artists, > >> gamers - not office dedicated peoples, etc. On my opinion is one if > >> the best dark theme that I see on last months - clearly defined > >> buttons, elegant metacity theme. The only drawback -> scrollbars not > >> visible. > > > > regardless, it's clear that many people feel very strongly that they > > don't like the theme in its current iteration. i suggest you read some > > of their comments. my experience of it is also that it's a pretty poor > > dark theme. > > > > > http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=174096756&m=299007113931&r=299007113931 > > > > from: > > > > > http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080629-horny-for-ubuntu-8-10-first-look-at-intrepid-ibex.html > > > > regardless, instead of just diving in there now and making changes - you > > fixing the scrollbars, me trying to return some sane contrast to the > > colour palette - i feel it would be wise to provide a central forum for > > /users/ of the theme to make constructive criticisms. it could take the > > form of a sticky thread setup by one of the moderators at Ubuntu Forums, > > alongside similar forums in other languages. > > > > currently, the criticisms are spread both too widely and in contexts not > > constructive to collating well-meaning, useful feedback.. > > > > cheers, > > > > -- > > julian oliver > > http://julianoliver.com > > http://selectparks.net > > messages containing HTML will not be read. > > > > -- > > ubuntu-art mailing list > > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > > > > > > -- > Nemes Ioan Sorin > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > -- Ronald Reagan - "Recession is when a neighbour loses his job. 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