Re: [ubuntu-art] Meeting IRC log - Wallpaper
On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 3:35 AM, Rico Sta. Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I'm the one who's produced this wallpaper, and I have my own criticisms on it: - It's chaotic -- as an OS default, I was thinking it'd be nice to have something a little more subtle. - It's not well polished -- as Thomas has pointed out, the wood background would benefit from having a little less presence. - It's a little too dark -- As an OS default, I think something more vibrant is in order. - It's trendy -- It's not a 'timeless' piece, it's something that looks cool because it takes advantage of recent graphic art trends/cliches. IMHO, I'd rather see a default wallpaper that's clean and subtle -- perhaps even just a plain photograph, or something like dust/smoke as pointed out earlier. I'll try to see if I can give it more polish and be more worthy of the Ubuntu brand, and also try to see if I can provide higher-resolutions of this. What do you guys think would be ideal? 1680? 1920? :) Personally, I think 1600x1200 is ideal, since that's the resolution my LCD is built to. As far as dark / bright, it's something I think you should evaluate in the context of the desktop. Does it make file object text hard to read, or blend in with common icons? It's too bad most wallpapers are evaluated in the absence of those concerns. Justin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Extending the art direction on a per-program basis
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Ken Vermette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey everyone; This post easily would not be in regards to intrepid, possibly it's successor. It's in relation to extending the art-teams direction beyond theme creation, into program layouts and per-program optimization. One of the main things I'm noticing with Ubuntu is that we have a lot of -really- nice themes ready and poised. Dust is simply astounding, for example (please post the Dust theme files, I love them). However, if we ever plan to take on interface masters such as the designers over at Apple and Microsoft, we need to polish individual programs once we have established themes. A good example of an unpolished looking program is Asilerot Solitare. The game looks horrible, and is in no way related to any Ubuntu theme. To make asilerot solitare look good, all we need are some cards and a new background. Firefox is a good example of when a per-program theme is made. The Dust firefox theme adds amazing polish, and solidifies the theme. Other programs just have inconsistant layouts, if we managed to steal away some programmers they could just make sure programs have a more standardized layout. Overall, this would include a slow per-program layout update, and involve maintaining program changes post-update (or getting the devs to add it to the changes to their main builds). Programs that support themes (like firefox or Solitare) and programs frequently used (such as Nautilus or Evolution) would be the best to focus on. This post is mostly observational, but I personally beleive that it should be a priority - once we have a polished, updatable theme (such as OSX is doing with Aqua). -Ken Vermette This is an interesting idea, but we need to collaborate with upstream on this, in many cases. I'm not against it, but we do need a way to not waste upstream's time. Perhaps this should be tried on a few packages that are receptive to the idea. This means you'll have to also consult them. FYI, there are cases where Ubuntu might be able to do better without patching upstream. The Aisleriot program is a good example. Have you seen the Ornamental cardbacks? They're in hardy, but seem to have disappeared from intrepid! Justin Dugger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Music Idea
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Nick HS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your idea is already being implemented. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase. Calgar, I think what Nick is trying to say is, ubuntu-artwork isn't the moderator for the showcase, the wiki page is. If you have any work that meets the guidelines, add it to the wiki! Justin Dugger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Getting something done
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:23 AM, SzerencseFia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Nuzum wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see your point. Just to make it clear what I meant at the first place, the first hurdle is my lack of understanding on: - what are the needed steps on the process I have read about on this list; - what should I do after I have made (let's say) a gtk2 theme and I want to contribute with it and it is uploaded on wiki site; - what to read that is short and gives answers without having to read couple of hundreds of posts mostly unnecessarily commented and off of the original subject; - and final to learn something what worked and no need to re-develop to reach the goal. These is the frame, these are minimal understanding on what it takes to complete the target per my knowledge. If, however, we need an overview of the whole process, feel free to write away :-) Okay, in short here is what I understood and follow so far: 1. Moke-up the idea. 1.a (optional) inform the list on your idea to get some useful input. 2. Make the first beta. 3. Create preferable an Ubuntu-wiki or Launchpad page for the project. 4. Upload the project on the site. 5. Bug hunting. 6. Bug fixing. 7. Pack the stable version and upload it to the proper site. What do ya think about this checklist? Very nearly perfect, but I do wish somehow that more team building were part of it, and maybe more research. I see lots of mockups that never move from 1 to 2 because they require forking gtk or GNOME. Justin Dugger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Getting something done
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Justin Dugger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:23 AM, SzerencseFia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Nuzum wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see your point. Just to make it clear what I meant at the first place, the first hurdle is my lack of understanding on: - what are the needed steps on the process I have read about on this list; - what should I do after I have made (let's say) a gtk2 theme and I want to contribute with it and it is uploaded on wiki site; - what to read that is short and gives answers without having to read couple of hundreds of posts mostly unnecessarily commented and off of the original subject; - and final to learn something what worked and no need to re-develop to reach the goal. These is the frame, these are minimal understanding on what it takes to complete the target per my knowledge. If, however, we need an overview of the whole process, feel free to write away :-) Okay, in short here is what I understood and follow so far: 1. Moke-up the idea. 1.a (optional) inform the list on your idea to get some useful input. 2. Make the first beta. 3. Create preferable an Ubuntu-wiki or Launchpad page for the project. 4. Upload the project on the site. 5. Bug hunting. 6. Bug fixing. 7. Pack the stable version and upload it to the proper site. What do ya think about this checklist? Very nearly perfect, but I do wish somehow that more team building were part of it, and maybe more research. I see lots of mockups that never move from 1 to 2 because they require forking gtk or GNOME. Justin Dugger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art How many times has someone tried to organize the team? We don't need to organize the team. Just a team is sufficient. More than should have had to happen. Indeed I've tried to do just such a thing, and the apparent failure (thus far) is due to my own inadequate research. I need to figure out how to get stuff done on my own before I lead others to help on a common goal. Justin Dugger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] art concept
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 6:55 AM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys. I'm new here, but I just wanted to share a great concept that I found for ubuntu. First of all, this design got the front page on Digg, so it's really a great concept. you can check it out at http://willwill100.deviantart.com/art/Interpid-Ibex-Mockup-Part-2-93584910. I hope the art team can find some inspiration from this design. I know I did! Regards, Mike Wow. Why don't we just use OSX or Windows? Because they're not open source, cost significant money and not Ubuntu? Seriously though, the hate for things that resembles OSX simply because they resemble OSX is getting old and is basically an argument for the status quo. The status quo is somewhere north of MacOS 9, I think. Intrepid is the perfect time to try out new themes and UI -- the last release was an LTS so people wary of retraining have something else to fall back on, and we'll have the largest amount of time possible for feedback and testing. Justin Dugger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] art concept
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 8:24 AM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The sarcasm passed right over you. :P -Cory K. Sorry. Someone offered the same sentiment on IRC and I think they were serious. Perhaps Linux Hater broke my sarcasm meter? Justin Dugger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Again, top-posting. (*sigh*)
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexi Helligar wrote: Don't know about the top-posting business. I use Gmail and I just reply to messages I receive. Please follow well established etiquette or don't post to the list. http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists/etiquette#head-c70bc55ce24849bd82885e8b0f7e972465944b5a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting#Top-posting I'm getting a bit tired of this eternal Top Posting rant. In the future mail, please perceived offenders off-list. Justin Dugger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Again, top-posting. (*sigh*)
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Vadim Peretokin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's because Ubuntu artwork made it on Digg again, and a lot of people joined the list who aren't familiar with them at all. Which means etiquette really isn't as commonly accepted as a select anachronistic few insist. It's 2008, and it might be time we wrote some software to smooth the rough ends our systems still have. Justin Dugger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] logo / branding for ubuntu-women?
On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Thorsten Wilms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 20:27 +0200, Carol Meertens wrote: Hello ubuntu-art group, I'm posting to ubuntu-art on behalf of the ubuntu-women group, of which I am a member. We would like to have a branding for our group. I hope you like at least one of these. If so, tweaking and adding text will be next: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/08/03/ubuntu-women/ This discussion appears to have migrated to ubuntu-women; you may want to consider crossposting this there. Justin Dugger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] More inspiration
So today, I downloaded a TED talk from a guy named Robert Lang. He made a neat argument about letting mathematicians do your art for you =) http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/robert_lang_folds_way_new_origami.html Of interest to the ML is that he did an origami Ibex. A few, actually. http://www.tansu-style.com/robert-j-lang/robert-j-lang-web-gallery/pages/20-P2010150.html http://www.langorigami.com/art/gallery/gallery.php4?name=sentinel And yes, the software he wrote is open source, and built for Hardy: http://www.langorigami.com/science/treemaker/treemaker5.php4 Justin Dugger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Font talk by droid author
There's been some discussion about Liberation, Droid and other fonts, and some questions about design and intent of Droid. Google recently posted a video I think is somewhat relevant to the list: http://youtube.com/?v=rxbzE_JAs3A The first part talks about the author's experience and background, the second part illustrates the design process a professional foundry goes through to make a font, and the final part talks about Droid in technical terms. I think it's valuable to know the author's opinion about the fonts, before we push too hard on supporting one or the other. Justin Dugger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] GTK-theme proposal
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Kim Kahns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Art guys. Here's an update of my theme. Today I cleaned the code and optimized the png's. And I made a version which supports different colors (not completly, I'm working on a solution for the tabs - see screenshot ghost). I also made a version which has murrine transparency support (doesn't really makes sense at the moment, I just made it to show whats possible when new-murrine+gtk-transparency-support is ready for use). Given that this theme appears to have wheels, have you considered setting up a launchpad project for the theme and using bzr to coordinate some of the changes. Even if this theme doesn't wind up as the 8.10 default, it seems reasonable to say there's a couple of people interested in it regardless and it might give you a compelling competitive edge ;) Justin Dugger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Font talk by droid author
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Ashton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's been some discussion about Liberation, Droid and other fonts, and some questions about design and intent of Droid. Google recently posted a video I think is somewhat relevant to the list: http://youtube.com/?v=rxbzE_JAs3A Excellent find Justin. I love the tech talk vids, thanks for finding this one. This is but one among many; there's an entire series on photo processing technology in the Google archives. I have an RSS feed for lots of videos that Liferea polls for me: * Google TechTalks: http://www.youtube.com/rss/user/googletechtalks/videos.rss * Ubuntu Developer Videos: http://www.youtube.com/rss/user/ubuntudevelopers/videos.rss * Newest TED Talks: http://www.ted.com/themes/rss/id/46 There's also a lot of open source conferences that host videos of varying quality. I found some oriented towards art but the video production quality was terrible, despite leading with an ad for River Valley Multimedia. I dare say we never hire these folks! I should figure out how to put together a quality feed for all that just for the service it provides. Justin Dugger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] logo / branding for ubuntu-women?
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Thorsten Wilms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 20:27 +0200, Carol Meertens wrote:
Hi!
We feel it would be nice to just have the Ubuntu circle, with its
default colors, and with two additional crossing lines below it ('+').
The '+' is making it the symbol for female. This was inspired by the
debian women logo [3], which you probably know and which we like very
much.
It works with the Debian swirl. But to my eyes, the 'heads' in the
circle of friends works against a recognisable integration of the Venus
symbol. Someone needs to play with the 2 symbols a bit.
I guess the Venus symbol is about the only option to not bring in some
cliche.
In addition to that we would like a version of the mugshot with the
words 'ubuntu' and 'women' at the right; using the ubuntu font. One
of our members, Akkana Peck, created an example:
http://shallowsky.com/ubuntu-women/. We are not sure whether rotation
of the circle is legally correct.
Please note that both available fonts do not mach the original ubuntu
of the logo, which means one would have to fill in the missing letters
for women for a consistent and correct whole. If one was to take the
letters from brainstorm, there would still be the w and e.
I think using a woman's wide and round handwritten women, maybe
including the ubuntu would be much better. No worries about doing
further damage to the ubuntu title font situation, much more character.
Indeed, you'd be much better off using one identical font to render
both words or least substantially different ones than two nearly
identical but annoyingly different fonts. This leaves you with some
choices. A non-exhaustive list:
* use an ubuntu-title font for both
* use ubuntu title for ubuntu and something else for women
* use something else for both
I could see a case for using a script font for women, but it could
imply that this is some special Ubuntu for women, or that women have
special software needs, possibly with connotations that women can't
generally handle technical subjects. A script font will certainly set
the project, its goals and possibly its members, apart from Ubuntu as
a whole. Men will identify the logo as for women, not about
women, and I'm not sure the project wants or can afford to turn away
people by default.
In contrast, the ubuntu-title font seems to be gender neutral. Some
people are worried that damage is being done to some trademark or
intellectual meaning of the logo by overuse, but I disagree. The
title font is fairly unique in it's design, lacking any relationship
to traditional calligraphy without sacrificing readability much. Many
people use it to imply a relationship to Ubuntu. Unfortunately, it's
implementation leaves much to be desired, but I am looking at
improving that. That said, I think the titling for your
The other concern is the logo. It is called the Circle of Friends,
and one of the requirements appears to be that it not be rotated so
that one person is on top. This reflects a message about equality and
authority between friends. I'm certainly in no position to allow or
deny changes to the logo itself (a little ironic), but I have a
suggestion. Rather than rotate the logo, perhaps take one of the
circular heads and replace it with the stem of the Venus glyph rotated
to fit the logo. This also avoids a corollary statement: just as no
person is above the rest, no person or group of people is below the
rest. I think you might appreciate that sentiment.
The loss of rotational symmetry does look a little silly though, and
the transformation of the circle from a group of people into one
person's head may cause cognitive friction. I've attached a draft
.SVG for anyone else to play with. I don't think it's finished, but
it should offer visual evidence to my suggestions.
Justin Dugger
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Color for the Gtk
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ubuntu Art Team- I have been doing some thinking about the color of the theme, the buttons, etc. I also was thinking about some things that Mark Shuttleworth told me and things he has said in interviews regarding the desktop of Ubuntu. He has said that it is something that needs work on , something that we need to improve to the point of being the Golden Standard, something that he currently believes rests in Apple's hands with OS X. I will agree with him. We need a theme that meets, improves upon, and is superior to OS X's strong points. What are things people like about it? They like its seamless, integrated, and unified design. What are things we can do to help Ubuntu do this? (The following are just my thoughts- carefully thought out and considered as my own opinion I fell free to share) Color - Our current theme uses a mix of a light grey and a medium brown. This combo lends itself to looking outdated or out of fashion. Ubuntu is an operating system, a tech product- we want it to look modern, and with Ubuntu in particular, we want it to look forward. Mark thinks it is necessary to retain the Orange/Brown look of Ubuntu - we can do this in ways other than trying to make the Gtk widgets and panels these colors. I have seen many brown colors, created many gradients, and brown just doesn't seem right as a panel color or window color. I think that we need something that is neutral, yet looks beautiful and futuristic ( not as in robots and the Jetsons, but more like a true futuristic look). We also want Ubuntu to look unique. Therefore black as in Vista and grey as in OS X are taken. What is left besides brown? What is Ubuntu? Nothing in the logo will work. What about what we have? Its a much lighter grey than OS X - why not make it lighter, say to an off white? There is a way to do it where it does not feel cold, or is too bright. Just a thought. If I might try a rhetorical trick to alter your perception: instead of a light brown, why don't we use a dark orange? If that fails, then perhaps it's time to color parameterize the theme. I think Mark's right about the identification of the Ubuntu desktop. It reinforces the idea that using Ubuntu is easy, when people use the recognizable theme visible ways. I think we can satisfy both the value of a distinct default desktop and accommodate people who would like a different color. We wholly expect people to change the background; if it were just as easy to change the theme color I think there'd be little to complain about. Justin Dugger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] ubuntu-art Digest, Vol 37, Issue 54
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 7:07 PM, Nicholas Kraak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of my favourite thing's about Ubuntu's colour scheme is how unlike other operating systems where they use a cold colour scheme (Windows, Mac OS X), Ubuntu sticks with a warm colour scheme. Also, in terms of professionalism, in my opinion Orange is a much more vibrant, exciting look rather then brown. Take a look at the Personification theme ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Personification ). Although the theme itself looks pretty sloppy, I feel the colour scheme looks good. But I agree with you, Ubuntu is not up to scratch in terms of looks. I remember showing someone the default screenshots of Ubuntu and they were not impressed at all. I'm currently looking at some screenshots of Mac OS X 10.5, and I can see why Mac users love it so much. The desktop is truly a work of art. Nicholas (LostOverThere) Screenshots alone are insufficient to really judge a theme or UI. A theme that looks good in a static shot can perform terribly, or simply not work when held up to the way you use a desktop. An example might be the Gelatin theme that looks okay on screens but has a couple problems currently (I know, I know work in progress. just an illustrative and relevant example). The choice to color rather than shade the active window in the window list is distracting, and potentially conflicts with alert status. It's not something you notice until you use it yourself. One more reason mockups aren't worth much, I guess. Justin Dugger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu-Title font
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:11 AM, Ashton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Justin Dugger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not saying that we should necessarily override these, but we should at least understand them, accept that which is good and improve that which can be improved. I always assumed it (the font) to be a convenience in order to display the brand consistently. I've never really thought of using it for anything other than ubuntu. Are there any examples where it is used for other purposes? I understand the original post was attempting to use it in a biz card, and I suppose I can see the use there, thought not the necessity. Does FedEx, for example have their logo dual-purposed as a font? Not trying to negate the effort to fix or otherwise improve the ubuntu-title font. The thread just got me thinking and thought I'd share. Ashton The font is used in other promotional materials and lettering. Just a quick listing off the top of my head: * the tag line Linux for human beings * The Full Circle Magazine * Ubuntu Brainstorm logo * Anywhere you'd like to convey an association with Ubuntu * Tons of other promotional materials Additionally, I thought it'd be nice for Ubuntu business cards. I've also been looking for a handwritten font style suitable for the training mode of CellWriter for better prompting, maybe it's a bit too stylized, but I thought I'd give it a shot. Justin Dugger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu-Title font
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Ashton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:59 AM, Justin Dugger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The font is used in other promotional materials and lettering. Just a quick listing off the top of my head: * the tag line Linux for human beings * The Full Circle Magazine * Ubuntu Brainstorm logo * Anywhere you'd like to convey an association with Ubuntu * Tons of other promotional materials I'd argue that all these other uses, aside from the obvious kubuntu, edubuntu, etc, dilute the brand significance, and are a mis-use of what should be thought of as part of the circle of friends logo. Not something meant to ubuntu-i-fize other ordinary text. Even the tag line. Obviously, what is done is done, and it is too late now. Well, this is more Advertising discussion, but while it might dilute the significance, it also broadens it's meaning. You can't have the tag line be a different font, that's ugly and stupid. You could do without the tag line, but then you're not really saying anything at all, which might be fine for a boot screen, but for anything more you probably want to avoid mixing fonts if the logo is central to the work. Justin Dugger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu-Title font
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Jan Claeys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op woensdag 16-07-2008 om 22:37 uur [tijdzone -0500], schreef Justin Dugger: I'm not saying that we should necessarily override these, but we should at least understand them, accept that which is good and improve that which can be improved. Some of your remarks might be caused by rendering issues, some might be because he thinks they make the font better. I guess only he can answer that though... :) (He's a professional typeface designer, so his reasons for these changes might be sound--except for 0 O looking the same maybe). Here's the thing -- we don't have to worry about stepping on artist's toes or hurting feelings. I'm sure the narrowing strokes and others are intentional. But are they better? But as things stand, he has his font and Ubuntu ships something else. The license should mean anyone who disagrees is free to walk away, and anyone who likes it is free to borrow some or all of it. (I should mention the ambiguous nature of font design rights, but I'm hardly an IP lawyer). I'm honored that a professional took the time to demonstrate his talents with this font; the mark of a professional in any field is being open to review. More productively, does anyone else get blanks when loading the current font into FontForge? Steps I take to reproduce: 1. Install FontForge from universe: sudo apt-get install fontforge 2. Download the source package to ttf-ubuntu-title apt-get source ttf-ubuntu-title 3. Open the FontForge .sfd: fontforge ttf-ubuntu-title-0.3/Ubuntu-Title.sfd 4. Note the lack of glyphs. 5. Open the .ttf instead and see wonderous glyphs ready for editing. Justin Dugger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu-Title font
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Matthew Nuzum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The title font has improved in its more recent revisions but too many of the letters are shaped oddly for general use imho. The problematic letter we bumped into most recently was lower case 'w'. Christian Robertson released an improved font (http://betatype.com/node/36) but it was made in fontlab rather than with Ubuntu tools, making it difficult for the Artwork Team to maintain the font. Part of the work may be to integrate his changes, but looking over the changes he's made I'm not sure I agree with all of them. I'm using Arial Rounded MT Bold which is a harmonious (but non-free) substitute. Another nice rounded font that was suggested by the Web Presence team is MgOpen Modata, and one that was recommended but which I haven't tried is LMSansDemiCondensed Regular available in the lmodern package in Ubuntu (part of TeX). I appreciate the offers to find another font, but I'd rather put my effort into something unique to Ubuntu than just give up. If the above works, then I think we can have a much better font by intrepid release. At the very least, can we agree that the g glyph shipped in hardy is not correct? Justin Dugger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu-Title font
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 5:36 PM, Matthew Nuzum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Justin Dugger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I appreciate the offers to find another font, but I'd rather put my effort into something unique to Ubuntu than just give up. If the above works, then I think we can have a much better font by intrepid release. At the very least, can we agree that the g glyph shipped in hardy is not correct? I agree - that bug you pointed out shows the need for attention. Could you mark it confirmed, noting your agreement and referencing this conversation? It's poor form for me to confirm my own bug. Justin Dugger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Ubuntu-Title font
Hi Ubuntu Artwork Team, I've been tweaking an Ubuntu business card design a little bit, and during this discovered the following bug: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ttf-ubuntu-title/+bug/247016. It was suggested by a triager that I bring it up on the list, so here I am. What I'd like to do is bring the ubuntu-title font up to everyday usable standards. ubuntu-title is a recognizable branding font, used in the logos, boot screen, advertising and even some fan magazines. Currently there are a host of silly flaws in letters outside u, b, n, and t (ubuntu). As a simple test of the process, I'd like to fix the lowercase g glyph. The steps the Artwork Team might take are: 1. Read the above bug and change the status from invalid to confirmed or triaged that it should be fixed. 2. Assign it to the Art Team or to someone in particular (I can give it a shot) 3. Upload the suggested fix to a bzr branch 4. Review the fix. 5. Review this process. I know a lot of people might be afraid of font design, believing it to be hard and unknowable, so let me demonstrate my own ignorance by asking a simple question: can anyone get FontForge to use the ubuntu-title.sfd provided in source package ttf-ubuntu-title in Hardy? All I get is blanks =( Justin Dugger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
