[ubuntu-art] Ubuntu 13.04 Scrollbar

[Nick]

Recently checked out the new mouse-on overlay scrollbar on Ubuntu 13.04.
While idea is nice, I think it needs some polish? The design and colour of
the scrollbar do not quite match the overall Ubuntu theme, not even the
white 'original' scrollbar next to it. It looks rather bland and bulky.
Any information if the team has been doing work on the design?
I think perhaps the overlay scrollbar could be made half transparent or with
rounded, sleeker edges

PS this is a mock-up I really appreciate. I think the bar could be a tiny
bit smaller/thinner though
http://vimeo.com/20570173

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Music Idea

[Nick HS]

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Dean Landolt wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:36 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
> 
> I think it's an interesting idea. I think ubuntu should ship with
> some media that's licensed
>  under Creative Commons, like Radio Head, or include some nice
> images from Flickr
>  (so you have something to destroy when you try out gimp).
> 
> 
> I remember something like this coming up recently (re: wallpapers I
> believe), but apparently space is at an absolute premium on the install
> cds. That said, it'd be really cool to supplement the Examples folder
> with a simple apt-get for all kinds of high-quality cc stuff (not
> Radiohead -- it's not cc and probably won't be any time soon), and
> perhaps a simple launcher in the examples folder to kick this off for
> the newbies.
> 

Your idea is already being implemented. See
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase.
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[ubuntu-art] Deviantart Background Competition

[Nick HS]

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What has happened to the competition? The spec
(https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/deviantart-theme-competition)
is currently listed as "Pending Approval (Needs Guidance)" but nothing
seems to be happening. In brainstorm the idea
(http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/384/) is very popular, listed as
being targeted for intrepid and has developer comments but no progress.
Is anything actually happening?

Nick
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Whats Up with This?

[Nick Russell]

On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 07:32 -0500, Salane Ashcraft wrote:

> This is not a progression. It isn't even that different. The problem
> with Ubuntu isn't the color, which has been made worse with this
> Alpha. Its the widget style, which is flat and outdated. Its the
> fonts, which need to be updated and can be done so with open source
> fonts. Its the icons, which look like something designed for Playskool
> OS. Its the presentation. I will never stop using Ubuntu, but really,
> if we want this to be Linux for Humans, shouldn't we make it look as
> best as possible?


I think you are being a bit harsh considering this is a very early
version of the theme. I don't particularly like it as it is now either,
but there is plenty of time for it to improve!

Personally I like the current icons. With the exception of the folder
icons which i've always felt seem a bit too shiny compared to all the
other icons.

> 
> 
> I am getting involved. I am learning all I can to bring my theme to
> life, but it will change yet again. I am going with a lighter color
> than its current golden brown, perhaps something whiter. 
> 
> 
> Could someone explain to me how pixmap themes work?
> 
> 
> Salane
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Whats Up with This?

[Nick Russell]

On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 13:35 +0200, Kenneth Wimer wrote:

> On Monday 30 June 2008 12:29:29 Nick Russell wrote:
> 
> > Rather than necessarily set up opposing 'camps' (not intrinsically a bad
> > thing, but it can be), is it possible for people to get involved in the
> > development of this theme? - to improve the entirely-to-be-expected
> > early flaws.
> 
> Yes, it is possible for others to get involved with this.


Ah that came out wrong, I wasn't meaning to criticise you, I was
suggesting to the critics that they do something about the theme (get
involved!) rather than just criticise.


> 
> > It doesn't appear to have a statement of concept on the wiki with
> > screenshots for people to comment on. I know it's possible for people to
> > submit bugs against it, but I think it would be useful if it were on the
> > wiki as well. The statement of concept is very important, because when
> > someone says they don't like it, you can simply point them to the
> > concept so they can understand why YOU like it and think it is the right
> > direction to go in. You can also explain who the audience is (i.e. it
> > may not be designed for the kind of people who are criticising it, if it
> > is then that's when you know you need to reconsider aspects of your
> > design).
> 
> Actually, this is the first update for intrepid of the long term work we 
> started during the hardy cycle. The wiki page just needs to be updated :-)


Cool. Is the Hardy page about the work done so far still available? I
didn't find it on my (admittedly brief) look. :-)


> 
> > IMO the wiki allows designer(s) and critics/audience to respond in a
> > much less clinical/technical way to a design than does launchpad.
> 
> I am unsure what you mean by "a much less clinical/technical" way as anyone 
> who wants to work on this needs to have the technical skills to do so and/or 
> go through a more elaborate process of submitting their ideas.


Sorry that wasn't very clear. I completely agree that the people
involved in the actual development need to be technically skilled. I was
referring to the wiki (and indeed the forums) as a good place for the
community to respond with more general comments about the theme (i.e. I
like this, I don't like this, why I feel that way). What I'm getting at
I suppose is that whilst obviously there will be technical/accessibility
issues which are best reported on launchpad, there will also be more
abstract/vague art-critic/audience-critic responses which would be best
place somewhere else (forums/wiki/individuals blogs)?


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Whats Up with This?

[Nick Russell]

On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 11:15 +0200, Kenneth Wimer wrote:

> On Monday 30 June 2008 06:07:29 Salane Ashcraft wrote:
> > Hey Everyone...
> > What's up with this?
> 
> This is the dark theme that we have put in for testing. It is in no way 
> finished, ie the "testing".
> 
> > http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_8_10_Intrepid_Ibex_Alpha_1_Screenshots
> >
> > See the complaints? We cannot let this happen. This theme is even worse
> > then the default of Hardy
> 
> I appreciate that you do now want this to happen. My suggestion would be to 
> work on something that you think is better.
> 
> Ken
> 


Rather than necessarily set up opposing 'camps' (not intrinsically a bad
thing, but it can be), is it possible for people to get involved in the
development of this theme? - to improve the entirely-to-be-expected
early flaws.

It doesn't appear to have a statement of concept on the wiki with
screenshots for people to comment on. I know it's possible for people to
submit bugs against it, but I think it would be useful if it were on the
wiki as well. The statement of concept is very important, because when
someone says they don't like it, you can simply point them to the
concept so they can understand why YOU like it and think it is the right
direction to go in. You can also explain who the audience is (i.e. it
may not be designed for the kind of people who are criticising it, if it
is then that's when you know you need to reconsider aspects of your
design).

IMO the wiki allows designer(s) and critics/audience to respond in a
much less clinical/technical way to a design than does launchpad.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Design of a complete user interface

[Nick Russell]

On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 14:19 +0200, Klaus Bitto wrote:
> 
> I'm not necessarily suggesting we should radically change the
> UI, I'm just suggesting that from a design point of view it
> seems odd to have an art team which doesn't appear to be able
> to make decisions about the the UI as a whole. Or am I wrong?
> 
> 
> I guess that's because usability (» Placement of panels, menus etc.)
> comes before the "mere art" or "decoration".
> 
> So, actually ubuntu-art might just be a glorified color changing team.
> Changing colors can make hell of a difference,
>  though.


I agree that it can, but I still think it would be good for art to be
able to at least suggest UI layout changes (ie, not just in mockups), at
the moment this seems almost to be considered outside our remit.



Erno
[szerencsefia]
Here is the answer from wiki.ubuntu:
"The decisions are made by our Self Appointed Benevolent
Dictator for all final say and direction
for the default artwork in the Ubuntu product."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SABDFL

But isn't it the case that Mark makes the final decision but he doesn't
actually design the UI himself? Which implies that someone designed the
current UI (ie not just the art team, but someone who did the layout
etc). Who designed it for Mark to decide upon? We should be in touch
with whoever is in charge of this to make sure our 'colour changing' is
going in a complementary direction to their UI layout design. If no one
is responsible for this (ie, the decisions are made ad hoc by the
programmers of the various apps, gnome panel, etc etc) then that strikes
me as a problem. Should there be a UI team? - As a separate or subteam
of art to make sure these ad hoc decisions are unified? 

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[ubuntu-art] Design of a complete user interface

[Nick Russell]

Just a quick question for discussion sorry if this has been discussed
before).

Who in Ubuntu is responsible for the overall main user interface? i.e.
Placement of gnome panel or panels, placement of menu and icons on the
panel and how this fits in with the theme. Because it strikes me that
many of the themes which are currently only mockups require more or less
radical UI changes. Ones which are already 'in production' like New Wave
are ones which haven't messed with the UI layout.

I'm not necessarily suggesting we should radically change the UI, I'm
just suggesting that from a design point of view it seems odd to have an
art team which doesn't appear to be able to make decisions about the the
UI as a whole. Or am I wrong? If so, how do we communicate with those
people who do make UI layout changes? Are some of them on the art team?
Or are we in fact just a glorified colour changing team? (Excuse the
provocative last question, I just want to provoke discussion).
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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave - Proposal

[Nick Russell]

> However, the proposition for a New Wave mailing list is not bad at
> all 
> -- but in that case we should try keeping posting sometimes on this
> one 
> to show we are still alive, and to give interest to other people.


Yes, I think if possible we should have a separate list and keep ubuntu
art list postings to occasional status updates.

Hi,
   The new icons looks great.
I'm working on the icons that were missing in the Elementary theme.
I already committed icons for File Roller, Alacarte, System User,
Users and Groups, and I made a new one for F-Spot that I going to
upload later.
Do you think that I should continue making the missing icons?
Or it's better to focus on some other stuff first?

Do people think there should be monochromatic status icons for every
major app which is installed by default and which puts itself in the
taskbar, even things which aren't system services (e.g. Pidgin, Tracker,
Rhythmbox etc)? I vote probably.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave - Proposal

[Nick Russell]

I think its much better like this, especially the white.

Btw, is it possible to have a special mailing list (on launchpad?) just
for New Wave? I feel we might be clogging up the art mailing list a
little?

On Mon, 2008-05-19 at 23:50 +0200, Giuseppe Pennisi wrote:

> While I was working I thought this:
> 
> http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=menuproposalsh9.png
> 
> http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=menuproposal2lz0.png
> 
> I like this.
> 
> For me in this way we get a sense of continuity with menu.
> 
> Giuseppe P.
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Newsplash usplash mockup updates

[Nick Russell]

On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 08:53 -0700, Troy James Sobotka wrote:

> Nick Russell wrote:
> > I've updated the original mockups on the wiki
> > <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Newsplash> to address
> > concerns/criticisms and I've added a few new ideas and variations on old
> > ones. I've also started a forum thread to gauge community interest in a
> > new usplash <http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4971501>
> 
> While I can appreciate your want to change a certain aspect of Ubuntu, I
> would ask if you think a traditional development-centric component based
> design works for overall aesthetic impact?
> 
> That is, your design clearly moves toward a given presentation.  Does
> that presentation work in the 'bigger picture'?  Is there an overarching
> style that it fits in with?  Etc.
> 
> Worse, voting is death, especially on something of this nature.
> 
> If you would like to have a very real world example, go about your 
> houseappear no matter what, 
> with a digital camera.  Photograph small studies of say -- door handles,
> a chair, a type of hard wood flooring.
> 
> Now pick any one and put it up for a vote.  In the end, the vote is
> meaningless as it doesn't give you a true and accurate evaluation as to
> how all of the pieces are going to work together in the total design.
> 
> Two pennies...
> TJS
> 
> PS:  If you want further insight into some of these ideas, I would
> encourage you to examine the terms Gesamtkunstwerk (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesamtkunstwerk ) or Coccinity (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concinnity ).
> 
> 


Hi there,

I see what you are saying. But as I indicated when I first posted about
the usplash, I'm not primarily an artist, and created these mock ups
more to stimulate debate about a possible new usplash than anything
else. In fact, as I recently posted on the forum thread, I'm not averse
to the current usplash remaining.

As for the voting aspect, I actually posted on the forums not primarily
to put my ideas to the vote, but because I was secretly hoping someone
who knows a thing or two about usplash might take up one of the designs,
or be inspired (or so disgusted by my designs!) that he or she would
come up with their own for Intrepid! But I think you are saying that the
integrity of an idea may be watered down if it is put to the vote? I
think that this is probably true, but then not all design/art is
necessarily about creating an overall whole which gels is it? I'm not
necessarily advocating this for ubuntu (it would be a usability
nightmare!), but you could argue that a more fractured design where the
pieces don't fit together is actually more interesting?

I think your comments raise another interesting point, can there be such
a thing as 'community art', and if there is does it tend to be 'better'
or 'worse' (sorry for the clumsy wording) than an overall design which
has a single or small number of creators? This is kind of the ultimate
question for a project like Ubuntu, and the open source movement in
general.

In the end, in order to create an overall concept which looks good, is
consistent and easy to use - I think you are right that
the 'traditional development-centric component based design' probably
doesn't work, but its tough, because I'm neither an artist or a
developer, but as you say I want to 'change a certain aspect of ubuntu'
so I'm sort of stuck in the middle.

So why am I bothering? Well because I agree with the philosophy of
ubuntu and want it to spread as far as possible. In terms of my 'big
picture' it would be that philosophy, rather than anything strictly
'aesthetic', which is why I focused my designs on the coming together of
the circle of people, and what they produce in the centre of that
circle. And why did I choose the usplash, because its the first thing
people see, so they should get that philosophy straight away. Though, I
suppose the logo does that anyway - without any fancy animations

Thanks again for your comments,
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[ubuntu-art] Newsplash usplash mockup updates

[Nick Russell]

I've updated the original mockups on the wiki to address
concerns/criticisms and I've added a few new ideas and variations on old
ones. I've also started a forum thread to gauge community interest in a
new usplash, feel free to add any comments you have there, on the wiki
page, or to me personally via email if you'd prefer.

Thanks,
Nick.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Newsplash
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4971501
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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave

[Nick Russell]

On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 18:18 +0300, Anton Kerezov wrote:

> В 15:57 +0100 на 15.05.2008 (чт), Nick Russell написа:
> > On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 22:31 +1000, Nicholas Kraak wrote:
> > > In terms of Usplash, someone mentioned a smooth splash screen
> > > similar to the Mac OS X startup splash where the loading bar moves
> > > smoothly. We may not be able to do that much be our usplash
> > > seriously needs changing, its ugly as hell. You may consider looking
> > > at Fedora's and OpenSuSE's spash screen, both are very smooth and
> > > beautiful. However, if we're going to stick to something simple, I
> > > quite like Linux Mint's Splash screen.


I definitely think simple is the way to go, but I'm not a fan of any of
those usplash examples personally. They all rather busy. I prefer a
black background with just the logo, progress bar (and 'ubuntu', if
necessary). Any thoughts people? Any other good designs out there on the
net?

> > > 
> > > Any thoughts?
> > > 
> > > -Nicholas
> > 
> > I've added a slightly simpler usplash concept to the wiki, scroll down
> > to Concept 2.
> 
> Very good work. Can the corners of the Ubuntu logo be anti-aliased for a
> smoother image? Btw I like the first concept because it is more original
> (no OS will have such a uspalh). Can a fade-in animation be used to show
> different parts of the logo (ex. the red dot then the other part below
> and so on)? I think we can add gradients to the logo so that it looks
> better. For a reference color palette look at the wiki - Pallete
> section:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NewWave


You're quite right, the logo/text definitely needs anti-aliasing. To be
honest I'm not much of an artist, these are just rough mockups of ideas
I've had (influenced by ideas I've seen elsewhere). I probably will
anti-alias and generally touch up the mock-ups, but as for making it
look really professional, and indeed making the real thing that would
have to be done by someone who knows a thing or two about usplash
Anyone like that on this list who might want to take up one of these
concepts, or come up with their own for Intrepid? Failing that, any good
guides to making usplashes on the net? I could learn...
 

> gp wrote:
> > Anton,
> > have you already registred the project-theme in LP ?
> > Othewise, we could try. I think it's very important for developed in a
> > right way for thinking that it can be considered a possible default.
> > 
> > I never registred a LP project but  I think that I can try to help
> > you.
> 
> I haven't registered it because don't know to and I've never done this
> before. It is a good idea though and I will see what I can do about it.
> Can anybody help? Cory, Who, Kenneth?


Just found these guides via recent planet ubuntu re setting up a
launchpad project

http://jam-bazaar.blogspot.com/2007/03/11-steps-to-creating-new-launchpad.html

http://jam-bazaar.blogspot.com/2008/05/creating-new-launchpad-project-redux.html

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Newsflash: Newsplash

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On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 22:31 +1000, Nicholas Kraak wrote:

> In terms of Usplash, someone mentioned a smooth splash screen similar
> to the Mac OS X startup splash where the loading bar moves smoothly.
> We may not be able to do that much be our usplash seriously needs
> changing, its ugly as hell. You may consider looking at Fedora's and
> OpenSuSE's spash screen, both are very smooth and beautiful. However,
> if we're going to stick to something simple, I quite like Linux Mint's
> Splash screen.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> -Nicholas


I've added a slightly simpler usplash concept to the wiki, scroll down
to Concept 2.
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[ubuntu-art] New Wave bugs

[Nick Russell]

You made already know about this...

The synaptic package manager and other sudo programs don't seem to be
themed correctly. The progress bar is blue and the buttons square rather
than nice and rounded.

Keep up the good work!

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Newsflash: Newsplash

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On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 11:27 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

> ? 10:49 +0100 ?? 15.05.2008 (??), Nick Russell ??:
> > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:03 PM, Nick Russell
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > >  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Newsplash
> > >
> > >  Not really my idea, but just wanted to get discussion going about
> the
> > > Intrepid usplash. Let me know what you think!
> > >
> > >  Thanks,
> > >  Nick
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> > >
> > 
> > On Thu May 15 02:21:18 BST 2008 ?Brett Alton brett.jr.alton at
> > gmail.com  wrote: 
> > ?> Too Debian like -- only has 25%, 50%, 75% and 100% incrementals.
> > 
> > One way around this is, as I suggest on the wiki, to make the ?25%,
> 50%, 75% and 100% logo increments 
> > just loop to replace the current ping-pong progress bar, and then
> when that part of loading is done 
> > have a progress bar below takeover. If that makes sense?
> > 
> 
> Good idea guys! I had similar thought about the load process.  Keep up
> the good work!
> 
> Anton


Ok, I've made some changes to better flesh out the concept, address the
lack of a progress bar, and use some grey from NewWave! Let me know what
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Newsflash: Newsplash

[Nick Russell]

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:03 PM, Nick Russell
 wrote:
>
>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Newsplash
>
>  Not really my idea, but just wanted to get discussion going about the
> Intrepid usplash. Let me know what you think!
>
>  Thanks,
>  Nick
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>


On Thu May 15 02:21:18 BST 2008 Brett Alton brett.jr.alton at gmail.com
wrote:

> Too Debian like -- only has 25%, 50%, 75% and 100% incrementals.

One way around this is, as I suggest on the wiki, to make the 25%, 50%, 75% 
and 100% logo increments just loop to replace the current ping-pong progress 
bar, and then when that part of loading is done have a progress bar below 
takeover. If that makes sense?


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[ubuntu-art] Newsflash: Newsplash

[Nick Russell]

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Newsplash

Not really my idea, but just wanted to get discussion going about the
Intrepid usplash. Let me know what you think!

Thanks,
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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave

[Nick Russell]

The firefox menubar font colour looks to be ever so slightly different
(white?) to the colour of other windows menubars (light grey?).

I've attached a screenshot (if attachments come through on this
list...?)

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Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave

[Nick Russell]

On Sat, 2008-05-10 at 10:32 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> Here are the first taskbar icons (added on the wiki):
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NewWave?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=taskbar_icons.zip
> 
> If you have any remark/question/request about color/size/shape please
> don't
> hesitate. Also, I don't really know what others are missing (a
> bluetooth
> one? Network warning?...) so please tell me which ones I should make.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Fran?ois


Really like what you are doing with New Wave. I noticed in some of the
wiki screenshots there is an icon theme with little ubuntu logos on the
some icons (most visible in Nautilus) which in my opinion is far too
dark. I think that title/menu/status bars etc should be black or grey
just as you've made them, but the actual content of a window that we
have to interact with should be colourful (probably brown/orange/red) -
i.e. folder icons etc. I also think this will really give New Wave a
chance of being default (if that is you intention?), Mark likes his
brown/orange/red!

My feeling is that the most common icons to appear in the taskbar (aside
from those you've made) are Tracker, Pidgin, Evolution Calendar alert,
Rhythmbox, Remote Desktop, Transmission, Package Manager and Bluetooth.
I realise some of these are applications, but I think it will ruin the
unity of the theme if some taskbar icons are monochrome and others not.

How do we actually add the icons to the New Wave theme so we can test?

Also, I noticed a potential usability problem. By making the title bar
and menu bar appear as one, it is easy to automatically and mistakenly
click and hold on the menu bar in order to try and move a window. I
think part of the reason I did this myself is because I've come from
Windows Vista where the menu bar (well, its gone actually, but the strip
where it used to be!) can be clicked to drag a window just as readily as
the title bar can be. Relatively minor I suppose, but just thought I'd
point it out!

Keep up the good work!

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Re: [ubuntu-art] (RED)

[Nick Bauermeister]

Am Mittwoch, den 02.04.2008, 00:12 -0700 schrieb Sumit Agarwal:
> Philosophically it certainly makes sense.
> 
> More difficult is the question of how exactly it would work. (RED) works 
> by allocating a portion of sales revenue to the charity. With Ubuntu 
> being free, does that mean Canonical would need to donate a percentage 
> of their services revenue? Would Canonical agree to such a thing?
>

Additionally, (Product) RED works with specifically created products. So
Canonical would have to launch (Ubuntu) RED and sell it. A percentage
of /that/ would go to the global fund.

It would be nice to have a specific Ubuntu-Version for that, with a
(Product) RED inspired artwork. I mean the _whole_ profit of that one
could be donated, which would make very good PR for Canonical. The cost
would have to be inexpensive, of course, like say 10 bucks. And it
should be clear that it's non-profit.
I don't think this is the proper list to discuss such things, though.

But I have to say: I'd buy it.


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[ubuntu-art] Hardy's GDM

[Nick Bauermeister]

I'd like to point out, that the glow on the Ubuntu logo is far too
aggressive.
It shouldn't be white but bright brown or yellowish (the glow on the
lower bar looks good).


I also found a bug, that when you type an incorrect password, the red
warning text is behind the input field.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] New titlebar (Metacity theme) for Hardy

[Nick Bauermeister]

Hi,

thanks for the feedback but I'd like to point out, that I do not propose
my theme to get implemented in Ubuntu (it's just a theme I created for
myself), so it's not really up for debate here.
The screenshots were only to depict my proposal to get rid of the brown
in the titlebar and create a brand new Metacity theme that emphasises
the beauty of the Human GTK theme.

The number of buttons couldn't be done in Metacity anyway and since it
doesn't support hover-animations for inactive windows either, it would
look more like this:
http://blogage.de/files/1444/image?ubuntuclean-metacity-like.png
(although I agree, then the buttons are a little small... but again,
it's just an idea - if anybody likes this particular theme, I'd be happy
to improve it but it was only meant to show how different the GTK theme
can look with a titlebar that looks more clean and orange).


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[ubuntu-art] New titlebar (Metacity theme) for Hardy

[Nick Bauermeister]

Now that it's certain we will continue to have the Human GTK theme in
Hardy (which I think is a good idea, I still like - and use - it anyway)
we should talk about changing the Metacity theme.
To be honest, it's the only thing I don't like about Ubuntu's look and I
know others feel the same, because the most talked about issue with
Ubtunu's artwork is "the brown".
But if you look at it, the only brown thing about Human is the window's
titlebars (and the wallpaper but that's the easiest part to change).

I think a titlebar change would make a whole different (better)
impression of the Human theme.

In general, Hardy should aim for a brighter, orange look and ditch the
brown completely.

Here's a screenshot of my current setup:
http://blogage.de/files/1440/image?screen1.png
Note that it's almost "standard Ubuntu".

And with a look at the wallpaper
http://blogage.de/files/1441/image?screen2.png
It's (a patched version of one) from the "Orange pack" taken from
http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Gutsy

The titlebar is designed by myself using Emerald Theme manager but I
think it would be easy creating something similar for Metacity:
http://blogage.de/files/1442/image?ubuntuclean.png
(the widgets on inactive windows get visible when hovering the mouse
pointer over them)


I don't propose that it has to be that particular theme but something
along this way would be a nice visible change as well as easy to
implement.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards.

[Nick Bauermeister]

Am Freitag, den 04.01.2008, 02:52 +0100 schrieb Kenneth Wimer:
> we are not going to 
> change the theme for Hardy radically as it is the last of the LTS cycle

Didn't you mean _next_ there?


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Re: [ubuntu-art] New proposal in the wiki - gelatin

[Nick Bauermeister]

Am Montag, den 31.12.2007, 17:55 -0600 schrieb Jonathan Motes:
> For some reason I'm not seeing any pictures on the Gelatin page. Am I
> missing something? 

Here's the direct link to the picture:
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/8476/ubuntuhardy1jn1.png


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Re: [ubuntu-art] artwork for the Ubuntu idea brainstorming website

[Nick Bauermeister]

Am Sonntag, den 30.12.2007, 12:32 -0800 schrieb Troy James Sobotka:
> It was intended to be [...] circus like

If so, then well done. Reminds me of this: www.ubuntu.de


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[ubuntu-art] New proposal in the wiki - gelatin

[Nick Bauermeister]

There's a new proposal (mockup?) in the wiki I really like:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/gelatin

I remember somebody saying we are not aiming for a tangoish stile but
this one is really beautiful (yet simple).


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Re: [ubuntu-art] looking for feedback on a theme.

[Nick Bauermeister]

OK... since you asked for it: on first sight, I don't like the look of
that theme at all.
Please don't take it the wrong way, it's a good design - maybe it's just
the colours.
But the location bar looks particularly weird to me. The transition is
just too sharp - how about rotating it 180° so we have a gradient from
top to bottom?

What I do like is that it has a clean look but also distincts the
titlebar from the window.


xl cheese schrieb am 06/12/07 05:11 um Uhr:
> Slight update:
> http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/6546/screenshotyp4.jpg
>
> Still need to fix the upper left and right corners of the metacity theme.
>   
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Icon theme suggestion

[Nick Bauermeister]

xl cheese schrieb:
>
> http://www.typophile.com/files/f755_3_5458.JPG.jpg
>
> 
Nice mockup. Can't wait for the whole set!


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Re: [ubuntu-art] yet another mockup (greenish one)

[Nick Bauermeister]

Jan Niklas Hasse schrieb:
>
>
> On Nov 26, 2007 8:50 PM, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
>
> Window border: Yes and no. I don't know if Compiz can do blur at
> an acceptable performance. Each time I've enabled blur in the past
> it has crippled the performance. Maybe it has changed, but I doubt
> it.
>
>
> It can and works flawlessly well on my computer (nvidia fx5900xt). But
> I think it requires Pixel Shader 2.0 or something similar.
It does not work on my ATI with the open radeon driver (fglrx worked
with Beryl, haven't tried with Compiz).
So this is not an option for us right now. Even if it would work. we
can't have a standard-theme that requires Compiz - this would mean a lot
of duplicate effort to create a matching gtk-theme that does not require
compositing.

P.S. a transparent panel is nothing I would recommend either. The GNOME
panel does not support real transparency. I have my panels set to
autohide and fake transparency is just awkward when you have a window
boarder underneath.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Icon theme suggestion

[Nick Bauermeister]

H. Bons schrieb:
> Lately I've been working on a Tango styled icon theme for 
> Ubuntu under the name "Discovery".

First of all: thanks for posting this here.
I think it's really nice but I have to agree that it doesn't fit well
with the rest that's going on for Hardy.
But I would really like to see it as an alternative icon set in Ubuntu.
I'm using it right now - only thing bugging me is the blue. Would be
great if you could make an all-orange one.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Members details

[Nick Bauermeister]

Hi,

I'm Nick and I'm from Germany. It's half past twelve here and I'm trying
to get my work for university done, so I can finally get to bed.

Anyway... I'm very interested in the process of making Ubuntu look good
and it's thrilling to see how it gets a makeover. Don't know if I can
contribute much but I hope I will find some time for that. So for now
I'm just commenting every now and then on things that I find promising.
Keep it up.


Steph schrieb:
> Hi all,
>
> I just wanted to know from wich country is everybody here, and wich
> language do you speak (might be useful). I thought about a new "Member
> Page" on the Ubuntu Wiki, section Art, but maybe it's too private for
> some of us ?
>
> I'm Steph, 17 years old and living in Montpellier, France.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] [HARDY] One mockup

[Nick Bauermeister]

Anton Kerezov schrieb:
> I found this mockup:
>
> http://bradwjensen.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Theme-Mockup-67903127
>   
That's very nice indeed - the style is similar to what Günther Beyer
posted earlier
(http://guentherbeyer.de/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/ubuntu_804_theme_test_02b.png)

It's not possible to have the application menu in the titlebar, though.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] hardy gtk theme

[Nick Bauermeister]

Günther Beyer schrieb:
> Here's a first test:
>
> http://guentherbeyer.de/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/ubuntu_804_theme_test_02b.png
>   

That looks very nice. Is it a mockup or a "real" GTK theme?
I love "clean" themes (although it has been been pointed out in this thread, 
that it tends to confuse people as where you can drag the window, I wonder how 
many people do not know they have to move their pointer to the titlebar?) and 
the panel looks nice as well.
And the wallpaper shows how well it would fit an orange color palette.

btw: is it OK to "publish" this in a blog or the forums?
I think we need to raise more publicity to this. Having mockups like this or 
the one from Neil Patel is always a good source of inspiration. So hopefully we 
can get more people to work on this.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] gallery aka art.ubuntu.com

[Nick Bauermeister]

Hi,

sorry for the dumb question first but why exactly has art.ubuntu.com
taken down in the first place?
We still have an own thread in the german Ubuntu community for it and
many people keep asking when it's coming back.


I think using art.ubuntu for proposals would be a great thing, because
this way we will get back an Ubuntu related artwork community but make
sure it will be high quality artwork, since it should be designed to get
into Ubuntu only.

If you look for 'Ubuntu' on sites like gnome-look, most entries are
ripoffs with a Ubuntu logo pasted on a picture or something like this.
So it would be nice to have a place for creative people that are aiming
to get their stuff into Ubuntu but their work won't be lost, if it
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Re: [ubuntu-art] New icons

[Nick Burman]

Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote:
Nick
Burman wrote: 
  All that to say this - put me in a group,
tell me what to do, I'll do it! 
  
Hi Nick, 
  
While we're wanting for the art team to organise itself I wondered if
you might be able to advise me on a web issue (having read that you do
web design). There have been some reports of our main website not
rendering properly in IE, but I'm unfortunately not able to reproduce
it on my system. I guess it's one of those IE CSS bugs. 
  
Any ideas? Thanks. 
  
- Henrik 
  
  
  
  

HI Henrik
IE has always been problematic, mainly because it's such an old
browser. Hopefully with Vista coming out soon, MS might be updating
their browser to be more compliant. You're right tho - it's a CSS
issue, usually related to the way it handles margins/borders/padding.
The only way I've managed to make sites happy on IE and Mozilla AND
Safari is trial and error. Once you have the positioning right it will
be fine. I would suggest working from course to fine by making sure the
DIV tags all line up, then drop in content. 
I hope this helps. 

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Re: [ubuntu-art] New icons

[Nick Burman]

While I don't have time to organise  I am more than willing to come
under the leadership of anyone who is up to the task. 
In an effort to subscribe to some sort of sign up list, I would like to
make myself available for splashes or backgrounds. I'm a
professional graphic and web designer and would love to help where I
can. I'm more than capable of working within guidelines - I just can't
waste time making mounds of aimless backgrounds and splashes that
nobody wants. Just point me in the right direction!
However, should a position be necessary, I'd be more than happy to
head-up Critique Sessions to make sure they stay objective and away
from endless, hollow postings of 'hey thats cool'. 

As a suggestion, perhaps someone could take the list, divide it into
groups of ,say, four , and assign tasks to each group. 

All that to say this - put me in a group, tell me what to do, I'll do
it!

Nick. 

Mark Shuttleworth wrote:

  
  
Pascal, I'm surprised to hear that from you given that we spent several
hours together at LCA in New Zealand, and discussed ways to get
community contributions directly into Dapper.
  
The goal is to get a few of the best community themes into Dapper, and
have professional artists supplement that work where necessary. I see a
partnership between community contributors and professional artists as
one of the great things about Ubuntu - the community gets its best work
showcased, and interested folks get to work with professionals where
previously they may not have been able to.
  
Now, as I understood it, Pascal was going to help organise the
community side of things here, so that we could identify two or three
crisp, clean community-contributed themes for inclusion in Dapper. 
Best I can tell, that hasn't happened yet, so Pascal please get onto
that or ask someone else to take the reins. I suggest that you identify
at most three candidates for inclusion, based on their quality and
completeness, and focus the energy of the art team on those three to
see if one or more can get up to snuff for Dapper.
  
Getting a good theme together requires strong leadership - those of you
who think you have what it takes, organise teams around your themes and
polish them up. Make sure that there's a web site where we can review
and assess the themes. Ubuntu and Kubuntu are of course equally
important, so make sure we give equal time to the blue folks.
  
We will only include themes that meet a very high standard of quality
and completeness - it wouldn't be Ubuntu if it were half done.
  
We have a UI sprint in London next week (all welcome) where we will be
polishing more of the icons / desktop / theme bits. I expect Dapper to
look pretty sharp by the end of that.
  
I've subscribed to this list and I'll stay monitoring it for the next
couple of week. If you want to live up to the standard of other Ubuntu
teams you need:
  
 - Leadership. Identify someone who is dedicated (this stuff
takes time) and work with Henrik to organise all the work that is to be
done. As a team, you need to know how to take decisions and then move
forward with those decisions. You won't all agree most of the time - so
you need leadership to get everyone to go in a common direction rather
than following their own artistic muses all the time.
  
 - Teamwork. If you want community-contributed themes to match
up, then you can't divide yourselves a hundred different ways. Pick a
few high quality starting points, and push hard on those to improve
their completeness. Write up good style guides for the key themes you
pick, so that new contributors can produce work that is consistent. It
isn't so much of an accomplishment to do a single beautiful desktop
image as it is to produce a complete set of icons, with GTK theme and
desktop, splash screens etc. You will ONLY achieve this with teamwork.
  
 - Organisation. There is a lot to be done, and I can't find
any obvious starting point that lists each of the areas that need work.
Get that right, and you will find new people joining in as they can see
what needs to be done.
  
 - Presentation. This is even more important in the art team
than it is elsewhere. Your stuff needs to be shown off to best effect!
Don't hide your light under a bushel, so to speak, make sure that your
work gets visibility. Your leadership should arrange an Ubuntu Art
website where the best themes get presented completely, so that people
can immerse themselves in them.
  
So guys, this is a challenge. Raise your game. Make clear, good
suggestions for this new icon theme, and organise yourselves better to
produce some community contributed themes that make it into Dapper
itself.
  
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Re: Big Updates for Flight 2

[nick]

leon wrote:

  Wonderful.

Viper550 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

 | Guess what everyone, we have some big changes on Dapper Flight 2 so
 | listen carefully:
 | 
 | We have a brand new GFXBOOT powered boot menu for the installer and
 | live cd, must be 16 colors and contains the Usplash artwork. Also, the
 | new Human theme has debuted sort of, the new Human widgets
 | actually. They are now based off ClearLooks-Cairo, using the Cairo
 | engine now, looks SWEET! Hopefully it still looks good with Blended!
 | 
 | Viper550
 | 

  

Well it might be wonderful. Right now, my powerbook Dapper is broken,
so I'll either fix it or wait for more changes. 
Ding it. 

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Screenshot of Idea

[nick]

Ville Sokk wrote:

  

  
I like it but wouldn't it be great if Ubuntu would have it's own theme? I
mean a new theme from totally zero. I'd like to do that, but I'm afraid
that people won't be satisfied with my creation.

  

  


Thats the design process. Once you've established what is needed, you
aim to provide a design that will meet all the criteria. As long as it
does that, people should be satisfied. Think of it as a checklist. 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] ArtTeam wiki page and nicks

[nick]

Pascal Klein wrote:

  Hi all.

Just a quick request, could everyone listed as a member add they nickname 
somewhere in there wherever they are listed. It makes it easier to 
distinguish who is who as some people use nicks not readily linkable to real 
names. :)

linky: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtTeam

Also, cheers Mauricio Hernandez for adding the toc.


Have a nice day,
Pascal Klein

  

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Metacity Idea & the Originality of Ubuntu

[nick]

Jeff Waugh wrote:

  



  Yes, they do look like Vista, but don't forget that we've been imitating
Windows for ages!
  


  
This really is not true, and not the optimal course for Free Software. The
GNOME project is specifically avoiding imitation, emulation or cloning of
the Windows user interface *where it matters*, because it does not encourage
innovation, and users react negatively to an interfaces that looks like what
they're familiar with, but does not *work* like what they're familiar with.

- Jeff

  

That's a fascinating point Jeff, and a premise I'm glad you've stuck
with. It is an idea worth remembering when introducing
friends/relatives (especially relatives!) to Ubuntu too. I don't think
that as linux users we have an obligation to 'evangelize' but I think
it's inherent in the excitement of most linux users to want to share
our favourite distro. 
I for one would like to see more originality in artwork, themes,
backgrounds and behaviour. Where can I start?!

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