Re: [ubuntu-art] Screenshots @ Ubuntu.com
Ivanka Majic wrote: The wiki page is somewhat off the mark but I didn't want to edit without discussing with you why. The following comments may be more a * brain dump * than anything else. :-) I do not know the intent or the desired outcome of the authors of screenshots.debian.net, but drawing a conclusion from the URL I assume the desire was to offer Debian users a method to showcase their desktop. The Ubuntu Software Centre desires to offer an enhanced user experience by providing information about products which will assist the user in determining the suitability of an offering to their needs. Although “screenshots.debian.net” is a good match, it’s not a perfect match. * The most pressing issue is screenshots may not be current and reflect what is being offered. In addition, there is no easy method (?) to expire an image and/or contact the submitter. * There is the unknown of appropriate content and this is managed. I realize “someone” reviews content at screenshots.debian.net but the approval process is unclear. * The Software Centre is package centric and in reality a package may be an aggregate of several functional deliverables. Theme packages are a good example of this. * In today’s world a graphic image is just one way to deliver information. The current solution does not support alternatives such as videos in the form of a screen cast. * Last, what is the impact to Ubuntu if screenshots.debian.net is unavailable? All of this leads me to believe building something new may be better than fixing something old. In addition there is a need from this team for an image repository. The title “Ubuntu Media Center” comes to mind. :-) Something tells me if we design it, someone will build it. Just some thoughts. John -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Screenshots-%40-Ubuntu.com-tp30234103p30247671.html Sent from the ubuntu-art mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Screenshots @ Ubuntu.com
I do not know the intent or the desired outcome of the authors of screenshots.debian.net, but drawing a conclusion from the URL I assume the desire was to offer Debian users a method to showcase their desktop. No. In fact, it's a repository of *application* screenshots. It's intended to give you some general impression about an app before you install it, nothing more. I already complained about the name in a parallel thread. * The most pressing issue is screenshots may not be current and reflect what is being offered. In addition, there is no easy method (?) to expire an image and/or contact the submitter. Outdated screenshots of an app will be quicky updated by fans of this application. Expiring an image is a matter of one click (and admin review, which is very swift at the moment). Moreover, screenshot requests from client apps can be made (or already are) version-specific, e.g. Lucid users will see the screenshot for the version they have and not the version from Maverick repo. * The Software Centre is package centric and in reality a package may be an aggregate of several functional deliverables. Theme packages are a good example of this. Synaptic is package-centric. Software Center is more application-centric and I hope it will improve over time. And I've never seen anyone posting screencasts of their themes - only screenshots. * In today’s world a graphic image is just one way to deliver information. The current solution does not support alternatives such as videos in the form of a screen cast. The intention of screenshot is to quickly give an impression about the application. It's faster and less bandwidth-consuming (read: cheaper) to install the app than to watch a screencast of it. Respectfully, -- Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Screenshots @ Ubuntu.com
Perhaps this list is the best place to discuss after all. On 18/11/10 14:34, j_baer wrote: The following comments may be more a * brain dump * than anything else. :-) I do not know the intent or the desired outcome of the authors of screenshots.debian.net, but drawing a conclusion from the URL I assume the desire was to offer Debian users a method to showcase their desktop. This is just it. We need to find that out. Assumptions are dangerous things. The Ubuntu Software Centre desires to offer an enhanced user experience by providing information about products which will assist the user in determining the suitability of an offering to their needs. Although “screenshots.debian.net” is a good match, it’s not a perfect match. What makes you say that? It is a site that hosts screenshots in a format that the software centre can use. It also seems to me to be a perfectly adequate place for people to submit screenshots. What would be a perfect match? * The most pressing issue is screenshots may not be current and reflect what is being offered. In addition, there is no easy method (?) to expire an image and/or contact the submitter. That is one of the issues for which I set up a separate bug. We need to come up with some ways to reinvigorate the gathering of screenshots. Very little technical knowledge is required in order to do this so there is a chance that, as a task, it will appeal to a broader audience. The is a campaign project. We need a Paper Cuts equivalent. Just as much as we have encouraged people to improve the descriptions of the packages we could do something that covers both. * There is the unknown of appropriate content and this is managed. I realize “someone” reviews content at screenshots.debian.net but the approval process is unclear. Is that a problem? Approval processes should be clear, as a rule, but what does the current state of play discourage? * The Software Centre is package centric and in reality a package may be an aggregate of several functional deliverables. Theme packages are a good example of this. * In today’s world a graphic image is just one way to deliver information. The current solution does not support alternatives such as videos in the form of a screen cast. * Last, what is the impact to Ubuntu if screenshots.debian.net is unavailable? Last three are good points. All of this leads me to believe building something new may be better than fixing something old. In addition there is a need from this team for an image repository. The title “Ubuntu Media Center” comes to mind. :-) Something tells me if we design it, someone will build it. These are interesting thoughts and we should always be thinking in a mix of what we have and what we need. Right now, screenshots.ubuntu.com serves a very real purpose and we can't lose sight of that. We have resource to reskin and possibly make some minor UI changes. We need that site, right now, to have a bigger range of images. Develop your problem definition more broadly so we can examine the impact, the benefits and the risks of this 'Ubuntu Media Center' and then we should definitely talk further. May I suggest that you write out pros and cons for what we have now and pros and cons of what you are proposing? That would be a great starting point for further discussion. Ivanka -- Ivanka Majić Creative Strategy Lead Canonical Design Team m: 07968704460 e: ivanka.ma...@canonical.com This email was sent using Thunderbird http://www.mozillamessaging.com/thunderbird/ on Ubuntu http://www.ubuntu.com/. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Screenshots @ Ubuntu.com
Sergei, sorry I must have been writing my reply as yours came in! On 18/11/10 15:04, ?? wrote: I do not know the intent or the desired outcome of the authors of screenshots.debian.net http://screenshots.debian.net, but drawing a conclusion from the URL I assume the desire was to offer Debian users a method to showcase their desktop. No. In fact, it's a repository of /application/ screenshots. It's intended to give you some general impression about an app before you install it, nothing more. I already complained about the name in a parallel thread. I agree. This is all about the packages, the apps that people can use and they can use them on distros other than Ubuntu. * The most pressing issue is screenshots may not be current and reflect what is being offered. In addition, there is no easy method (?) to expire an image and/or contact the submitter. Outdated screenshots of an app will be quicky updated by fans of this application. Expiring an image is a matter of one click (and admin review, which is very swift at the moment). Moreover, screenshot requests from client apps can be made (or already are) version-specific, e.g. Lucid users will see the screenshot for the version they have and not the version from Maverick repo. I think as part of a campaign we would be encouraging exactly that - the fans of an application to upload more screenshots! * The Software Centre is package centric and in reality a package may be an aggregate of several functional deliverables. Theme packages are a good example of this. Synaptic is package-centric. Software Center is more application-centric and I hope it will improve over time. And I've never seen anyone posting screencasts of their themes - only screenshots. * In today’s world a graphic image is just one way to deliver information. The current solution does not support alternatives such as videos in the form of a screen cast. The intention of screenshot is to quickly give an impression about the application. It's faster and less bandwidth-consuming (read: cheaper) to install the app than to watch a screencast of it. Excellent point! Part of the Software Centre's role in life is to show how easy it is to get and use apps. Ivanka -- Ivanka Majic' Creative Strategy Lead Canonical Design Team m: 07968704460 e: ivanka.ma...@canonical.com This email was sent using Thunderbird http://www.mozillamessaging.com/thunderbird/ on Ubuntu http://www.ubuntu.com/. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Screenshots @ Ubuntu.com
Hello John, I had a look at the wiki page yesterday and was hoping to catch you on IRC to discuss it - when might you be around? The wiki page is somewhat off the mark but I didn't want to edit without discussing with you why. When might you be available for an IRC chat? Ivanka On 16/11/10 23:27, j_baer wrote: Ivanka, I believe this task is to the point where your advice is required. The team can certainly bounce around some design ideas if that is your desire. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/Request-4 Specification John -- Ivanka Majic' Creative Strategy Lead Canonical Design Team m: 07968704460 e: ivanka.ma...@canonical.com This email was sent using Thunderbird http://www.mozillamessaging.com/thunderbird/ on Ubuntu http://www.ubuntu.com/. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Screenshots @ Ubuntu.com
On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 08:17 +, Ivanka Majic wrote: The wiki page is somewhat off the mark but I didn't want to edit without discussing with you why. When might you be available for an IRC chat? The LP report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/buttons/+bug/673488 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/Request-4 seems to ask for the design of a screenshots.ubuntu.com service from scratch, but the site exists already and I assume it's fully functional(?). The code exists, the site runs, the interaction is given (?). What's open is layout and styling. Unclear points from the report: Why would we want to reflect the relationship between Debian and Ubuntu here? -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Screenshots @ Ubuntu.com
Thanks Thorsten. On 17/11/10 09:20, Thorsten Wilms wrote: On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 08:17 +, Ivanka Majic wrote: The wiki page is somewhat off the mark but I didn't want to edit without discussing with you why. When might you be available for an IRC chat? The LP report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/buttons/+bug/673488 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/Request-4 seems to ask for the design of a screenshots.ubuntu.com service from scratch, but the site exists already and I assume it's fully functional(?). Indeed. The code exists, the site runs, the interaction is given (?). What's open is layout and styling. Yes. Unclear points from the report: Why would we want to reflect the relationship between Debian and Ubuntu here? This was something I put in because I don't know enough about the current site and, if I had the time to pick this up I would discuss it with the person who hosts the site. There is obviously a reason that the debian branding is currently present so I wouldn't want to presume it can simply be removed. At no point in the Launchpad bug do I suggest that this is a Canonical site. We are happily using the current site for the screenshots in the Software Centre. It would be great if the site itself were given some design assistance. Richard Lee, on my team, has been looking at the implications of simply applying available css as a first pass. Separately, I think it would be enormously beneficial to the project and the apps available on the platform if we could encourage more screenshots - which is why I suggested a campaign of some sort - but, if we are looking at the site to apply visual updates this might be a good opportunity to review the upload user experience and see if there are any improvements to be made. Ivanka -- Ivanka Majic' Creative Strategy Lead Canonical Design Team m: 07968704460 e: ivanka.ma...@canonical.com This email was sent using Thunderbird http://www.mozillamessaging.com/thunderbird/ on Ubuntu http://www.ubuntu.com/. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Screenshots @ Ubuntu.com
For the (re)design of screenshots.ubuntu.com , if you need help for designing/developing HTML +CSS + JS(jQuery) . I'll be glad to help. Bye -- Matteo Lissandrini On 17 November 2010 11:25, Ivanka Majic ivanka.ma...@canonical.com wrote: Thanks Thorsten. On 17/11/10 09:20, Thorsten Wilms wrote: On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 08:17 +, Ivanka Majic wrote: The wiki page is somewhat off the mark but I didn't want to edit without discussing with you why. When might you be available for an IRC chat? The LP report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/buttons/+bug/673488 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/Request-4 seems to ask for the design of a screenshots.ubuntu.com service from scratch, but the site exists already and I assume it's fully functional(?). Indeed. The code exists, the site runs, the interaction is given (?). What's open is layout and styling. Yes. Unclear points from the report: Why would we want to reflect the relationship between Debian and Ubuntu here? This was something I put in because I don't know enough about the current site and, if I had the time to pick this up I would discuss it with the person who hosts the site. There is obviously a reason that the debian branding is currently present so I wouldn't want to presume it can simply be removed. At no point in the Launchpad bug do I suggest that this is a Canonical site. We are happily using the current site for the screenshots in the Software Centre. It would be great if the site itself were given some design assistance. Richard Lee, on my team, has been looking at the implications of simply applying available css as a first pass. Separately, I think it would be enormously beneficial to the project and the apps available on the platform if we could encourage more screenshots - which is why I suggested a campaign of some sort - but, if we are looking at the site to apply visual updates this might be a good opportunity to review the upload user experience and see if there are any improvements to be made. Ivanka -- Ivanka Majić Creative Strategy Lead Canonical Design Team m: 07968704460 e: ivanka.ma...@canonical.com This email was sent using Thunderbird on Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Screenshots @ Ubuntu.com
Ivanka, Ivanka Majic wrote: I had a look at the wiki page yesterday and was hoping to catch you on IRC to discuss it - when might you be around? Gladly. I am east coast US which gives you a 5 hour jump on my day. :-) I do not have IRC availability during the day but I am happy to ping you before I head out. The wiki page is somewhat off the mark but I didn't want to edit without discussing with you why. When might you be available for an IRC chat? I was unclear of the desired outcome so the wiki has alot guessing on my part. Based on the comments of this thread is sounds like desire is to re-brand the debian site to a Ubuntu look and feel. I assume the debian site will remain unaltered. The task IMO is mostly updating the CSS and adding Ubuntu assets ( sounds like folks are ready to help ). If the above is correct, do we have a place in launchpad where folks can check out and check in code, and ... would you like mock ups attached to the wiki or submitted elsewhere? Best regards, John -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Screenshots-%40-Ubuntu.com-tp30234103p30237897.html Sent from the ubuntu-art mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Screenshots @ Ubuntu.com
Hi i can not get access to the page Thanks -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Screenshots @ Ubuntu.com
Ivanka, I believe this task is to the point where your advice is required. The team can certainly bounce around some design ideas if that is your desire. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/Request-4 Specification John -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Screenshots-%40-Ubuntu.com-tp30234103p30234103.html Sent from the ubuntu-art mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Screenshots @ Ubuntu.com
Ivanka, A *draft* spec is posted for your consideration. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/Request-4 Screenshots @ Ubuntu.com John -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Screenshots-%40-Ubuntu.com-tp30210573p30210573.html Sent from the ubuntu-art mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
