Re: [ubuntu-art] Fluid Boot Experience

[John Baer]

> > On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 15:37 -0600, Jonathan Blackhall wrote:
> >> So I got to thinking about the boot experience today and I was
> >> wondering if anyone had any comments on this.
> >>
> >> First, I think a successful default booting sequence should have 3
> >> characteristics that are currently not implemented. ?1. GRUB2 menu
> be
> >> hidden on all machines by default and the usplash image load
> >> immediately and have it include a small message saying "Press Esc
> for
> >> more boot options" or something to load the GRUB2 menu. ?2.The
> >> transition between usplash and xsplash should be smooth. ?3. The
> >> startup sounds would be refreshed and shortened. ?Possibly 4. Make
> >> sure the transition between xsplash - log in screen - xsplash again
> is
> >> smooth as well.
> >>
> >> You know what would be a really excellent way to mash-up all this
> boot
> >> stuff? ?Take the current usplash (just a white Ubuntu logo on a
> black
> >> background) and make the logo "explode" into MadsRH's Swarm
> animation
> >> (or a Humanized version) while having the rest of the xsplash
> elements
> >> (background gradient and Ubuntu name) fade in. ?For me, it would
> >> really make this whole boot sequence more integrated and slick.
> >>
> >> What I think would be a cool boot experience:
> >> -usplash Ubuntu logo appears with message saying "Press Esc for
> more
> >> boot options", message disappears after 3 sec, leaving Ubuntu logo
> >> -xsplash starts as same logo as usplash (no transition apparent to
> >> user), background gradient fades in, Ubuntu logo "explodes" into
> Swarm
> >> animation, the word "Ubuntu" appears above the Swarm
> >> -if your Log In screen enabled, transition to it (perhaps have the
> >> Swarm re-form an Ubuntu logo next to the word "Ubuntu"??) and have
> the
> >> remaining Log In stuff appear
> >> -Some other quick animation between Log In and a fully loaded
> desktop
> >> (maybe?), play a 1-2 sec subtle (unobtrusive) startup sound
> >> -All of that in 20 sec or less on a "normal" laptop without an SSD
> >>
> >> Do you think that type of boot experience is possible? ?Is it
> >> desirable? ?What would you change?
> >>
> >> Of course this is all just fantasy, but I'm curious what people
> think
> >> would be a desirable boot experience. ?Do you have hope that your
> >> expectations will be met in Lucid?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> J
> >
> > -1
> > MadsRH had other good ideas , but swarm wasnt the best one.
> > The swarm is too reminiscent of the windows7 orbs and also the swarm
> > just seems too aimless. they are not arising from some place nor are
> > they leading some where.
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > mac_v
> 
> I like the idea of something like swarm, but as fireflies in a grassy
> field, and a new firefly would pop up once a new proc has been
> init'd...
> 
> -Chris 

Like you I've been thinking about the boot experience. IMO I believe
Ubuntu presents well and if I had to pick a second choice it would
either be Mint or openSuSE.

The Jaunty or openSuSE bar design works well because if the bar stops
progressing for a moment its no big deal. Other more active designs
don't do as well.

One key issue is Ubuntu boots so quickly (and keeps getting faster)
there is not a lot of time to present an animation. I almost believe no
animation would work as well with these really fast boot times.

Another issue is what technology is available, when. I don't know when X
become available during the boot process but I see this being important
as it further reduces the animation time.

The one thing I would do to the current boot experience is square up the
logo. On my wide screen it looks stretched until X comes on line. Its
funny as I'm sure the same issue exists with Mint but with a square logo
its not noticeable.

A simple but effective boot experience is OSX (white logo & bar on a
black screen).

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Fluid Boot Experience

[Chris Tooley]

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 11:19 PM, mac_v  wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 15:37 -0600, Jonathan Blackhall wrote:
>> So I got to thinking about the boot experience today and I was
>> wondering if anyone had any comments on this.
>>
>> First, I think a successful default booting sequence should have 3
>> characteristics that are currently not implemented.  1. GRUB2 menu be
>> hidden on all machines by default and the usplash image load
>> immediately and have it include a small message saying "Press Esc for
>> more boot options" or something to load the GRUB2 menu.  2.The
>> transition between usplash and xsplash should be smooth.  3. The
>> startup sounds would be refreshed and shortened.  Possibly 4. Make
>> sure the transition between xsplash - log in screen - xsplash again is
>> smooth as well.
>>
>> You know what would be a really excellent way to mash-up all this boot
>> stuff?  Take the current usplash (just a white Ubuntu logo on a black
>> background) and make the logo "explode" into MadsRH's Swarm animation
>> (or a Humanized version) while having the rest of the xsplash elements
>> (background gradient and Ubuntu name) fade in.  For me, it would
>> really make this whole boot sequence more integrated and slick.
>>
>> What I think would be a cool boot experience:
>> -usplash Ubuntu logo appears with message saying "Press Esc for more
>> boot options", message disappears after 3 sec, leaving Ubuntu logo
>> -xsplash starts as same logo as usplash (no transition apparent to
>> user), background gradient fades in, Ubuntu logo "explodes" into Swarm
>> animation, the word "Ubuntu" appears above the Swarm
>> -if your Log In screen enabled, transition to it (perhaps have the
>> Swarm re-form an Ubuntu logo next to the word "Ubuntu"??) and have the
>> remaining Log In stuff appear
>> -Some other quick animation between Log In and a fully loaded desktop
>> (maybe?), play a 1-2 sec subtle (unobtrusive) startup sound
>> -All of that in 20 sec or less on a "normal" laptop without an SSD
>>
>> Do you think that type of boot experience is possible?  Is it
>> desirable?  What would you change?
>>
>> Of course this is all just fantasy, but I'm curious what people think
>> would be a desirable boot experience.  Do you have hope that your
>> expectations will be met in Lucid?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> J
>
> -1
> MadsRH had other good ideas , but swarm wasnt the best one.
> The swarm is too reminiscent of the windows7 orbs and also the swarm
> just seems too aimless. they are not arising from some place nor are
> they leading some where.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> mac_v

I like the idea of something like swarm, but as fireflies in a grassy
field, and a new firefly would pop up once a new proc has been
init'd...

-Chris

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Fluid Boot Experience

[mac_v]

On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 15:37 -0600, Jonathan Blackhall wrote:
> So I got to thinking about the boot experience today and I was
> wondering if anyone had any comments on this.
> 
> First, I think a successful default booting sequence should have 3
> characteristics that are currently not implemented.  1. GRUB2 menu be
> hidden on all machines by default and the usplash image load
> immediately and have it include a small message saying "Press Esc for
> more boot options" or something to load the GRUB2 menu.  2.The
> transition between usplash and xsplash should be smooth.  3. The
> startup sounds would be refreshed and shortened.  Possibly 4. Make
> sure the transition between xsplash - log in screen - xsplash again is
> smooth as well.
> 
> You know what would be a really excellent way to mash-up all this boot
> stuff?  Take the current usplash (just a white Ubuntu logo on a black
> background) and make the logo "explode" into MadsRH's Swarm animation
> (or a Humanized version) while having the rest of the xsplash elements
> (background gradient and Ubuntu name) fade in.  For me, it would
> really make this whole boot sequence more integrated and slick.
> 
> What I think would be a cool boot experience:
> -usplash Ubuntu logo appears with message saying "Press Esc for more
> boot options", message disappears after 3 sec, leaving Ubuntu logo
> -xsplash starts as same logo as usplash (no transition apparent to
> user), background gradient fades in, Ubuntu logo "explodes" into Swarm
> animation, the word "Ubuntu" appears above the Swarm
> -if your Log In screen enabled, transition to it (perhaps have the
> Swarm re-form an Ubuntu logo next to the word "Ubuntu"??) and have the
> remaining Log In stuff appear
> -Some other quick animation between Log In and a fully loaded desktop
> (maybe?), play a 1-2 sec subtle (unobtrusive) startup sound
> -All of that in 20 sec or less on a "normal" laptop without an SSD
> 
> Do you think that type of boot experience is possible?  Is it
> desirable?  What would you change?
> 
> Of course this is all just fantasy, but I'm curious what people think
> would be a desirable boot experience.  Do you have hope that your
> expectations will be met in Lucid?
> 
> Cheers,
> J

-1 
MadsRH had other good ideas , but swarm wasnt the best one. 
The swarm is too reminiscent of the windows7 orbs and also the swarm
just seems too aimless. they are not arising from some place nor are
they leading some where.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Fluid Boot Experience

[Cory K.]

So it looks like we're switching to Plymouth for Lucid. (as per source @UDS)

I think we should compile any links to resources we can to help in the 
creation of themes.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Fluid Boot Experience

[Kenneth Wimer]

Check the tracks at UDS, the lucid boot tracks discuss exactly this...

On Nov 16, 2009, at 10:37 PM, Jonathan Blackhall wrote:

So I got to thinking about the boot experience today and I was  
wondering if anyone had any comments on this.


First, I think a successful default booting sequence should have 3  
characteristics that are currently not implemented.  1. GRUB2 menu  
be hidden on all machines by default and the usplash image load  
immediately and have it include a small message saying "Press Esc  
for more boot options" or something to load the GRUB2 menu.  2.The  
transition between usplash and xsplash should be smooth.  3. The  
startup sounds would be refreshed and shortened.  Possibly 4. Make  
sure the transition between xsplash - log in screen - xsplash again  
is smooth as well.


You know what would be a really excellent way to mash-up all this  
boot stuff?  Take the current usplash (just a white Ubuntu logo on  
a black background) and make the logo "explode" into MadsRH's Swarm  
animation (or a Humanized version) while having the rest of the  
xsplash elements (background gradient and Ubuntu name) fade in.   
For me, it would really make this whole boot sequence more  
integrated and slick.


What I think would be a cool boot experience:
-usplash Ubuntu logo appears with message saying "Press Esc for  
more boot options", message disappears after 3 sec, leaving Ubuntu  
logo
-xsplash starts as same logo as usplash (no transition apparent to  
user), background gradient fades in, Ubuntu logo "explodes" into  
Swarm animation, the word "Ubuntu" appears above the Swarm
-if your Log In screen enabled, transition to it (perhaps have the  
Swarm re-form an Ubuntu logo next to the word "Ubuntu"??) and have  
the remaining Log In stuff appear
-Some other quick animation between Log In and a fully loaded  
desktop (maybe?), play a 1-2 sec subtle (unobtrusive) startup sound

-All of that in 20 sec or less on a "normal" laptop without an SSD

Do you think that type of boot experience is possible?  Is it  
desirable?  What would you change?


Of course this is all just fantasy, but I'm curious what people  
think would be a desirable boot experience.  Do you have hope that  
your expectations will be met in Lucid?


Cheers,
J
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Fluid Boot Experience

[Chris Tooley]

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 2:47 PM, David Callé  wrote:
> The boot experience talk is on air right now at UDS.
> http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/lonestar1.ogg.m3u
>
> 2009/11/16 Saleel Velankar 
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Jonathan Blackhall
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Of course this is all just fantasy, but I'm curious what people think
>>> would be a desirable boot experience.  Do you have hope that your
>>> expectations will be met in Lucid?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> J
>>>
>>
>> I hit power button. Grub loads, I hit enter for ubuntu, no time passes, I
>> am presented with kdm/gdm. This is what happens in my fantasy.
>>

My fantasy is always on, no reboot on kernel updates, etc.  This
splash stuff is pretty but in the future I don't see this happening a
lot :)

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Fluid Boot Experience

[David Callé]

The boot experience talk is on air right now at UDS.
http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/lonestar1.ogg.m3u

2009/11/16 Saleel Velankar 

> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Jonathan Blackhall <
> johnny.one@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Of course this is all just fantasy, but I'm curious what people think
>> would be a desirable boot experience.  Do you have hope that your
>> expectations will be met in Lucid?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> J
>>
>>
> I hit power button. Grub loads, I hit enter for ubuntu, no time passes, I
> am presented with kdm/gdm. This is what happens in my fantasy.
>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Fluid Boot Experience

[Saleel Velankar]

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Jonathan Blackhall <
johnny.one@gmail.com> wrote:

> Of course this is all just fantasy, but I'm curious what people think would
> be a desirable boot experience.  Do you have hope that your expectations
> will be met in Lucid?
>
> Cheers,
> J
>
>
I hit power button. Grub loads, I hit enter for ubuntu, no time passes, I am
presented with kdm/gdm. This is what happens in my fantasy.


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[ubuntu-art] Fluid Boot Experience

[Jonathan Blackhall]

So I got to thinking about the boot experience today and I was wondering if
anyone had any comments on this.

First, I think a successful default booting sequence should have 3
characteristics that are currently not implemented.  1. GRUB2 menu be hidden
on all machines by default and the usplash image load immediately and have
it include a small message saying "Press Esc for more boot options" or
something to load the GRUB2 menu.  2.The transition between usplash and
xsplash should be smooth.  3. The startup sounds would be refreshed and
shortened.  Possibly 4. Make sure the transition between xsplash - log in
screen - xsplash again is smooth as well.

You know what would be a really excellent way to mash-up all this boot
stuff?  Take the current usplash (just a white Ubuntu logo on a black
background) and make the logo "explode" into MadsRH's Swarm
animation(or
a Humanized
version)
while having the rest of the xsplash elements (background gradient and
Ubuntu name) fade in.  For me, it would really make this whole boot sequence
more integrated and slick.

What I think would be a cool boot experience:
-usplash Ubuntu logo appears with message saying "Press Esc for more boot
options", message disappears after 3 sec, leaving Ubuntu logo
-xsplash starts as same logo as usplash (no transition apparent to user),
background gradient fades in, Ubuntu logo "explodes" into Swarm animation,
the word "Ubuntu" appears above the Swarm
-if your Log In screen enabled, transition to it (perhaps have the Swarm
re-form an Ubuntu logo next to the word "Ubuntu"??) and have the remaining
Log In stuff appear
-Some other quick animation between Log In and a fully loaded desktop
(maybe?), play a 1-2 sec subtle (unobtrusive) startup sound
-All of that in 20 sec or less on a "normal" laptop without an SSD

Do you think that type of boot experience is possible?  Is it desirable?
What would you change?

Of course this is all just fantasy, but I'm curious what people think would
be a desirable boot experience.  Do you have hope that your expectations
will be met in Lucid?

Cheers,
J
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