Re: [ubuntu-art] Gettin' our * in gear or, a team restructuring.
Steve Dodier wrote: > I must say I don't totally agree on the fact that this team lacks > leadership, and I think you're handling this role pretty well, Cory, since > you're one of those who take upon themselves to follow the progress of the > projects going on here, to give advice to people when they're going on the > wrong direction, etc. > While I can chime in about certain things with some amount of credulity I don't feel I am quite the guy for the lead of this team. I manage projects under the team fine but as a whole, it's not something i want. > Since there is a lot to do there, I think having a "council", a group of > moderators/administrators may be the most suitable way to go. But this would > be useless if there is nothing to lead/manage. Sure. I'm thinking of the council as the group that set policy and overall team direction. > And that's where I totally > disagree on the idea of splitting the ubuntu-art list into two lists, a > public one for customers, and another, private, for artists. > > I don't believe it would cause any problems in the first months, but the > risk here is to repel newcomers who may be great artists but don't feel > confident enough to go in the process of being accepted as "members". > > Also, I fear that this cuts you, the artists (pretty brilliant, I must say) > from *us* (obviously i belong to this group, but in no means i intend to > speak in the voice of anyone but me), the community members, the ones who > will use your artwork on our computers. > > I think the role of the mailing list is to let anyone make a first step in > the direction of the team, and to exchange ideas, and I must say I'd be > quite disappointed of not being able to follow what's going on here, just > because I like keeping in touch with those who make the artwork I use, and > because it's always a good occasion to learn a few things. > > If you are worried about the idea that anyone can post (and thus, it's true, > disturb a serious process, even if I don't think it happens that much), > then, yes, you should make this list moderated. But I would like to know the > criterias for having a voice. Would it be only for artists, as persons who > are capable of making high quality artwork with opensource tools, or would > there also be a place for community members, who don't have anything to > offer but feedback, and who are just not skilled enough to actually > contribute ? > This is how the current Ubuntu development lists work (split into 2 lists) and it works quite well. It's pretty much my model. Still not something I'm hard set on, but feel it needs chat. Some of the reason for a split. is to lower the signal to noise. (small part) another would to be to discuss policy and maybe a quieter place to interact with what/whomever (Julian?) at Canonical. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Gettin' our * in gear or, a team restructuring.
Hello, I don't think my point of view is worth the one of the actual artists here, as I'm more or less a spectator, but I'm still going to give it. I must say I don't totally agree on the fact that this team lacks leadership, and I think you're handling this role pretty well, Cory, since you're one of those who take upon themselves to follow the progress of the projects going on here, to give advice to people when they're going on the wrong direction, etc. Since there is a lot to do there, I think having a "council", a group of moderators/administrators may be the most suitable way to go. But this would be useless if there is nothing to lead/manage. And that's where I totally disagree on the idea of splitting the ubuntu-art list into two lists, a public one for customers, and another, private, for artists. I don't believe it would cause any problems in the first months, but the risk here is to repel newcomers who may be great artists but don't feel confident enough to go in the process of being accepted as "members". Also, I fear that this cuts you, the artists (pretty brilliant, I must say) from *us* (obviously i belong to this group, but in no means i intend to speak in the voice of anyone but me), the community members, the ones who will use your artwork on our computers. I think the role of the mailing list is to let anyone make a first step in the direction of the team, and to exchange ideas, and I must say I'd be quite disappointed of not being able to follow what's going on here, just because I like keeping in touch with those who make the artwork I use, and because it's always a good occasion to learn a few things. If you are worried about the idea that anyone can post (and thus, it's true, disturb a serious process, even if I don't think it happens that much), then, yes, you should make this list moderated. But I would like to know the criterias for having a voice. Would it be only for artists, as persons who are capable of making high quality artwork with opensource tools, or would there also be a place for community members, who don't have anything to offer but feedback, and who are just not skilled enough to actually contribute ? About the idea of cleaning the LP group, I totally agree with you. It could be used as a mark of recognition for the people who do contribute, and would fit this role much better than the mailing list, in my opinion (and I must say that since I joined it, I've been totally inactive there, just because there is nothing which I can be of use in it). Anyways, I for sure will keep in touch with the team, with the means that I will be able to use. Cordially, SD. -- Steve Dodier OpenPGP : 0E5E4ECB IRC : SiDi on irc.freenode.net Jabber : s...@im.apinc.org steve.dod...@gmail.com https://launchpad.net/~sidi -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art