Re: [ubuntu-art] Getting something done
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Salane Ashcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Justin Dugger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:23 AM, SzerencseFia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> Matthew Nuzum wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I see your point. Just to make it clear what I meant at the first place, >> the first hurdle is my lack of understanding on: >> - what are the needed steps on the process I have read about on this >> list; >> - what should I do after I have made (let's say) a gtk2 theme and I want >> to contribute with it and it is uploaded on wiki site; >> - what to read that is short and gives answers without having to read >> couple of hundreds of posts mostly unnecessarily commented and off of >> the original subject; >> - and final to learn something what worked and no need to re-develop to >> reach the goal. >> >> These is the frame, these are minimal understanding on what it takes to >> complete the target per my knowledge. > If, however, we need an overview of the whole process, feel free to write > away :-) >>> >>> Okay, in short here is what I understood and follow so far: >>> >>> 1. Moke-up the idea. >>> 1.a (optional) inform the list on your idea to get some useful input. >>> 2. Make the first beta. >>> 3. Create preferable an Ubuntu-wiki or Launchpad page for the project. >>> 4. Upload the project on the site. >>> 5. Bug hunting. >>> 6. Bug fixing. >>> 7. Pack the stable version and upload it to the proper site. >>> >>> What do ya think about this checklist? >> >> Very nearly perfect, but I do wish somehow that more team building >> were part of it, and maybe more research. I see lots of mockups that >> never move from 1 to 2 because they require forking gtk or GNOME. >> >> Justin Dugger >> >> -- >> ubuntu-art mailing list >> ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art >> > > > How many times has someone tried to organize the team? We don't need to organize "the team". Just "a team" is sufficient. >More than should have had to happen. Indeed I've tried to do just such a thing, and the apparent failure (thus far) is due to my own inadequate research. I need to figure out how to get stuff done on my own before I lead others to help on a common goal. Justin Dugger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Getting something done
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Justin Dugger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:23 AM, SzerencseFia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Matthew Nuzum wrote: >>> On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I see your point. Just to make it clear what I meant at the first place, > the first hurdle is my lack of understanding on: > - what are the needed steps on the process I have read about on this list; > - what should I do after I have made (let's say) a gtk2 theme and I want > to contribute with it and it is uploaded on wiki site; > - what to read that is short and gives answers without having to read > couple of hundreds of posts mostly unnecessarily commented and off of > the original subject; > - and final to learn something what worked and no need to re-develop to > reach the goal. > > These is the frame, these are minimal understanding on what it takes to > complete the target per my knowledge. >>> If, however, we need an overview of the whole process, feel free to write away :-) >> >> Okay, in short here is what I understood and follow so far: >> >> 1. Moke-up the idea. >> 1.a (optional) inform the list on your idea to get some useful input. >> 2. Make the first beta. >> 3. Create preferable an Ubuntu-wiki or Launchpad page for the project. >> 4. Upload the project on the site. >> 5. Bug hunting. >> 6. Bug fixing. >> 7. Pack the stable version and upload it to the proper site. >> >> What do ya think about this checklist? > > Very nearly perfect, but I do wish somehow that more team building > were part of it, and maybe more research. I see lots of mockups that > never move from 1 to 2 because they require forking gtk or GNOME. > > Justin Dugger > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > How many times has someone tried to organize the team? More than should have had to happen. -- Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Getting something done
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:23 AM, SzerencseFia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Matthew Nuzum wrote: >> On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I see your point. Just to make it clear what I meant at the first place, the first hurdle is my lack of understanding on: - what are the needed steps on the process I have read about on this list; - what should I do after I have made (let's say) a gtk2 theme and I want to contribute with it and it is uploaded on wiki site; - what to read that is short and gives answers without having to read couple of hundreds of posts mostly unnecessarily commented and off of the original subject; - and final to learn something what worked and no need to re-develop to reach the goal. These is the frame, these are minimal understanding on what it takes to complete the target per my knowledge. >> >>> If, however, we need an overview of the whole process, feel free to write >>> away :-) > > Okay, in short here is what I understood and follow so far: > > 1. Moke-up the idea. > 1.a (optional) inform the list on your idea to get some useful input. > 2. Make the first beta. > 3. Create preferable an Ubuntu-wiki or Launchpad page for the project. > 4. Upload the project on the site. > 5. Bug hunting. > 6. Bug fixing. > 7. Pack the stable version and upload it to the proper site. > > What do ya think about this checklist? Very nearly perfect, but I do wish somehow that more team building were part of it, and maybe more research. I see lots of mockups that never move from 1 to 2 because they require forking gtk or GNOME. Justin Dugger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Getting something done
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Nuzum wrote: > On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I see your point. Just to make it clear what I meant at the first place, >>> the first hurdle is my lack of understanding on: >>> - what are the needed steps on the process I have read about on this list; >>> - what should I do after I have made (let's say) a gtk2 theme and I want >>> to contribute with it and it is uploaded on wiki site; >>> - what to read that is short and gives answers without having to read >>> couple of hundreds of posts mostly unnecessarily commented and off of >>> the original subject; >>> - and final to learn something what worked and no need to re-develop to >>> reach the goal. >>> >>> These is the frame, these are minimal understanding on what it takes to >>> complete the target per my knowledge. > >> If, however, we need an overview of the whole process, feel free to write >> away :-) Okay, in short here is what I understood and follow so far: 1. Moke-up the idea. 1.a (optional) inform the list on your idea to get some useful input. 2. Make the first beta. 3. Create preferable an Ubuntu-wiki or Launchpad page for the project. 4. Upload the project on the site. 5. Bug hunting. 6. Bug fixing. 7. Pack the stable version and upload it to the proper site. What do ya think about this checklist? - -- Cheers, Erno [szerencsefia] - --- Home: http://www.szerencsefia.webs.com/ WhoIs https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SzerencseFia -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFImCoXuMODVs5J2pwRAhG2AKCRPRHwC3GbMJJjBWjX6qwJ5/SSGACgimBe AvsBMHhqibzGixirI5iYT7s= =fJx6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Getting something done
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I see your point. Just to make it clear what I meant at the first place, >> the first hurdle is my lack of understanding on: >> - what are the needed steps on the process I have read about on this list; >> - what should I do after I have made (let's say) a gtk2 theme and I want >> to contribute with it and it is uploaded on wiki site; >> - what to read that is short and gives answers without having to read >> couple of hundreds of posts mostly unnecessarily commented and off of >> the original subject; >> - and final to learn something what worked and no need to re-develop to >> reach the goal. >> >> These is the frame, these are minimal understanding on what it takes to >> complete the target per my knowledge. > If, however, we need an overview of the whole process, feel free to write > away :-) Just to be sure, if your questions are about creating art-work packages, start with this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2008-July/007043.html (posted just a couple days ago) If your question is about something else let the team know more specifically what you'd like to do. Or if you're just suggesting we write a book on how to participate in the art-team - it's a good idea but will probably have to get done at a later time. Sorry for being gruff in my previous reply. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Getting something done
On Thursday 31 July 2008 19:08:52 SzerencseFia wrote: > Matthew Nuzum wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 4:17 AM, SzerencseFia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On my opinion Who, you should share in a form of list the necessary > >> steps in correct sequence on the entire process you made successfully. > >> It is important to achieve the same target you did on a workable way. In > >> fact it does not limit to achieve the target *only* on that way. > > > > No, that's wrong. You should try to do it based on the information > > already posted to this list (some good stuff within the last 7 days) > > and when you run into a hurdle you should ask for help. > > I see your point. Just to make it clear what I meant at the first place, > the first hurdle is my lack of understanding on: > - what are the needed steps on the process I have read about on this list; > - what should I do after I have made (let's say) a gtk2 theme and I want > to contribute with it and it is uploaded on wiki site; > - what to read that is short and gives answers without having to read > couple of hundreds of posts mostly unnecessarily commented and off of > the original subject; > - and final to learn something what worked and no need to re-develop to > reach the goal. > > These is the frame, these are minimal understanding on what it takes to > complete the target per my knowledge. > > Without making anyone wrong I definitely think team work means more then > giving some advices when one is already stocked. I have hardly found on > this list team activity for real only between few active guys, but I > found a lots of stops and smart opinions why some idea is wrong and > giving no solution to improve it but only stopping it. > > I still think to write an overview in few steps (in maybe 10-15 lines) > as a checklist would help a lot to "n00bs" like me who is more an artist > then a coder. > > In this way, for dude like me would have a chance to make something > useful for the community I belong too and fast but without having to > spend huge amount valuable time to contribute. As every package is different and changes over time it is very hard to write such documentation. Note that there are quite a few wiki pages which can help (ie that is how I figured out how to do this stuff, that and talking to people). I once wrote a wiki page explaining exactly what to do to use the automatic artwork builder but nobody (not one person) used it so we removed the system (with ppa's you don't need it anyway). My point is that the information is available and if anyone wants help doing it there are people to ask questions. It's kinda like trying to make a "how to make icons" tutorial, once you've written it you figure out that you've only covered one case and the information is hardly more than an overview. If, however, we need an overview of the whole process, feel free to write away :-) -- Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Getting something done
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Nuzum wrote: > On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 4:17 AM, SzerencseFia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On my opinion Who, you should share in a form of list the necessary >> steps in correct sequence on the entire process you made successfully. >> It is important to achieve the same target you did on a workable way. In >> fact it does not limit to achieve the target *only* on that way. >> > > No, that's wrong. You should try to do it based on the information > already posted to this list (some good stuff within the last 7 days) > and when you run into a hurdle you should ask for help. > I see your point. Just to make it clear what I meant at the first place, the first hurdle is my lack of understanding on: - - what are the needed steps on the process I have read about on this list; - - what should I do after I have made (let's say) a gtk2 theme and I want to contribute with it and it is uploaded on wiki site; - - what to read that is short and gives answers without having to read couple of hundreds of posts mostly unnecessarily commented and off of the original subject; - - and final to learn something what worked and no need to re-develop to reach the goal. These is the frame, these are minimal understanding on what it takes to complete the target per my knowledge. Without making anyone wrong I definitely think team work means more then giving some advices when one is already stocked. I have hardly found on this list team activity for real only between few active guys, but I found a lots of stops and smart opinions why some idea is wrong and giving no solution to improve it but only stopping it. I still think to write an overview in few steps (in maybe 10-15 lines) as a checklist would help a lot to "n00bs" like me who is more an artist then a coder. In this way, for dude like me would have a chance to make something useful for the community I belong too and fast but without having to spend huge amount valuable time to contribute. - -- Cheers, Erno [szerencsefia] http://www.szerencsefia.webs.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIkfGkuMODVs5J2pwRAhcvAKCngAHe0jChDw+87gCK5X+gciTk0ACeOqPl +QTczev1ZOCtk2it7XVT8lI= =W78r -END PGP SIGNATURE- pgpkeys.asc Description: application/pgp-keys -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Getting something done
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 4:17 AM, SzerencseFia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On my opinion Who, you should share in a form of list the necessary > steps in correct sequence on the entire process you made successfully. > It is important to achieve the same target you did on a workable way. In > fact it does not limit to achieve the target *only* on that way. > No, that's wrong. You should try to do it based on the information already posted to this list (some good stuff within the last 7 days) and when you run into a hurdle you should ask for help. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Getting something done
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Who wrote: > On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 7:35 PM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Matthew Nuzum wrote: >>> For >>> example, "Who" has been very active on the list lately and he is one >>> of the people who achieved this goal a few releases ago. And he didn't >>> even have PPAs available for his project! As a matter of fact, you can >>> benefit from his hard work by starting with the bluebuntu source >>> package and using it as the base for your own theme. > > Giving credit where due, Frank Schoep and Daniel Holbach managed the > packaging, I did the other bits :) > >> Actually, example-look is better as Ubuntu Studio made it's initial art >> packages from it. Improved it, then gave the changes back to example-look. > > Alongside ExampleLook as an example of packaging there is the Blubuntu > Wiki which is still around - that gives a nice idea of how we got > everything together for design. It isn't the best way to do it, but it > did work... Maybe you can take some ideas from it, or even save > yourself some time by just using it as a template (find and replace > Blubuntu and you'll have a good generic template, I reckon...) > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Blubuntu > > Everything else I would say about getting stuff done is here > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2008-April/005837.html > > Ken's response suggests that he agreed then, not sure if he still does... > On my opinion Who, you should share in a form of list the necessary steps in correct sequence on the entire process you made successfully. It is important to achieve the same target you did on a workable way. In fact it does not limit to achieve the target *only* on that way. - -- Cheers, Erno [szerencsefia] http://www.szerencsefia.webs.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIkDGWuMODVs5J2pwRAjPgAJ9sUkbNYWdXxyPtb04a9C456rWCjACaAlZX znubgFFRO6IK0mt7I1j3ubI= =Jw+J -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Getting something done
Kenneth, that is what I talk about, few times ago, here on this forum ..this kind of "pro-cons" keep me out a bit, being ... somewhat disappointed. I prefer to work quick - on clear objectives - on a recent post I reaffirmed idea of 'teams' with different objectives - but on a common, planned, concentrated effort... No any response ;) on subject. Here too much pro and contra and bla-bla. So maybe the best thing is to organize spaces ( being on Bazaar or Launchpad ) for various kind of tasks and who wanna do something - they can go on the specific place. ... The best thing you can do now - is to request a response form members ( just informal ) - which one - where can help with his / her expertize / skills. This way you can have a better idea about who can really help with something and who just talk. Just in case. Peoples with skills will help - but is hard for them to self organize things here because they come after their work hours and they expect to see something clear to follow - not to get more nerves. Anyway, following discussions here - from time to time - I can see some progress - slow but visible - last months peoples start to create materials - and they get better. But i'm afraid this process is too slow to be ready on time. Kenneth Wimer wrote: > Hi all, > > I've had my head up a time-zone map for the last couple of days (it went so > far as to require a new computer). Sorry if it seemed like I was gone, I was > really there but just acting like a zombie...mockups made in free time this > weekend coming soon :-) > > I'd like to touch on a few issues directly in response to the general > discussion, not all of which were included in this thread but all of which > are certainly pertainant to the matter. > > I use the word artwork later, it almost hurts me to do so. What we lack, more > than anything else, is the framework to do something amazing. > > The art teams goal is to produce artwork which one can use in ubuntu. > Basically, this means creating installable debian packages for ubuntu linux > which include artwork and configuration information to create a distinct look > and feel based on the technical possibilities/limitations. Usually, in order > to do this as a team you'll need to do it all with launchpad.net and bazaar > (bzr) > > Because there is a big difference between the various jobs you'll almost > certainly need to do it by coordinating your efforts with others. To this > end, the idea of theme teams arose in which the community can bridge the gap > between proposing random ideas and working as a team(s) on specific > ideas/goals. > > As stated on the FAQ (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/FAQ) the default artwork > is decided by the Canonical management team. The community can work on new > ideas for the default artwork but should not expect to make any final > decisions. Parts of the default artwork currently in Hardy are community > efforts. Part of my job at Canonical is to be the official voice for the > company in relation to artwork matters. > > As Salane has mentioned, creating coordinated efforts to change parts of the > default look *is* possibleit is just really, really hard for many > reasons :-) > > Defining an artistic direction would greatly increase the productivity of > talented artists, talented artists are what we lack most of, funny how that > works, eh? > > In the meantime an interesting wallpaper idea is probably the best way to > start, but don't tell anyone I said that, it defies the whole idea of > artistic direction. Reality meets "the-way-things-should-be".Fight the evil > spirits and overcome those who defy you (based on a very conservative > assumption of what is currently technically possible). > > Basically, you have to do the same thing as a theme team does, even if only > for one specific aspect of the current theme. Show your ideas by actuallythe > producing something. > > I would add that you'd also need to accept that radical change is only going > to happen in the rarest of exceptions and to be willing to listen to > criticism (whether you agree or not, and more importantly in many cases, > whether you understand exactly what is meant or not) and act upon it in a > productive manner. > > There is a big difference between random discussion and doing something which > proves your necessity, skill/talent, willingness to stay on the train for the > whole ride and serve drinks, whatever. This is the necessary first step. > > We've tried for a while now to revive art.ubuntu.com but little has happened, > it got stuck in code review and is forevermore lost :-) I suggest using > ubuntu-art.org for general submissions. The person who runs it is a friend of > mine, so there shouldn't be any problems. We can, as desired, reserve the > wiki for serious theme team proposals and work in progress. > > On Thursday 24 July 2008 20:25:47 Matthew Nuzum wrote: > >
Re: [ubuntu-art] Getting something done
Hi all, I've had my head up a time-zone map for the last couple of days (it went so far as to require a new computer). Sorry if it seemed like I was gone, I was really there but just acting like a zombie...mockups made in free time this weekend coming soon :-) I'd like to touch on a few issues directly in response to the general discussion, not all of which were included in this thread but all of which are certainly pertainant to the matter. I use the word artwork later, it almost hurts me to do so. What we lack, more than anything else, is the framework to do something amazing. The art teams goal is to produce artwork which one can use in ubuntu. Basically, this means creating installable debian packages for ubuntu linux which include artwork and configuration information to create a distinct look and feel based on the technical possibilities/limitations. Usually, in order to do this as a team you'll need to do it all with launchpad.net and bazaar (bzr) Because there is a big difference between the various jobs you'll almost certainly need to do it by coordinating your efforts with others. To this end, the idea of theme teams arose in which the community can bridge the gap between proposing random ideas and working as a team(s) on specific ideas/goals. As stated on the FAQ (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/FAQ) the default artwork is decided by the Canonical management team. The community can work on new ideas for the default artwork but should not expect to make any final decisions. Parts of the default artwork currently in Hardy are community efforts. Part of my job at Canonical is to be the official voice for the company in relation to artwork matters. As Salane has mentioned, creating coordinated efforts to change parts of the default look *is* possibleit is just really, really hard for many reasons :-) Defining an artistic direction would greatly increase the productivity of talented artists, talented artists are what we lack most of, funny how that works, eh? In the meantime an interesting wallpaper idea is probably the best way to start, but don't tell anyone I said that, it defies the whole idea of artistic direction. Reality meets "the-way-things-should-be".Fight the evil spirits and overcome those who defy you (based on a very conservative assumption of what is currently technically possible). Basically, you have to do the same thing as a theme team does, even if only for one specific aspect of the current theme. Show your ideas by actuallythe producing something. I would add that you'd also need to accept that radical change is only going to happen in the rarest of exceptions and to be willing to listen to criticism (whether you agree or not, and more importantly in many cases, whether you understand exactly what is meant or not) and act upon it in a productive manner. There is a big difference between random discussion and doing something which proves your necessity, skill/talent, willingness to stay on the train for the whole ride and serve drinks, whatever. This is the necessary first step. We've tried for a while now to revive art.ubuntu.com but little has happened, it got stuck in code review and is forevermore lost :-) I suggest using ubuntu-art.org for general submissions. The person who runs it is a friend of mine, so there shouldn't be any problems. We can, as desired, reserve the wiki for serious theme team proposals and work in progress. On Thursday 24 July 2008 20:25:47 Matthew Nuzum wrote: > On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Salane Ashcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Its just I hear stuff from people who have been here long, but what > > have they done? Ken himself has said the art team needs to prove > > itself to be trusted with anything substantial. > > In order for this team to have a success this time around, one person > needs to take ownership of a project (a theme) and ensure that > whatever needs to be done in order to get it complete and installable > gets done. Right, this has been what we want to achieve for quite some time now. Groups of people working towards their own goal(s). Talents from one team benefit others, more gets done and it becomes easier for everyone. Get something real out there, that is the whole point, or? > There are very few people who can create all of the graphical elements > of a theme AND package it AND get it ready for distribution. But > that's ok because one person doesn't need to *do* all of that. They > just need to be tenacious enough to get it done, asking for help where > necessary. As a matter of fact, the right person may not be able to do > any of the tasks other than being able to get something done. > > It is a challenge but people on this list have accomplished it. For > example, "Who" has been very active on the list lately and he is one > of the people who achieved this goal a few releases ago. And he didn't > even have PPAs available for his project! As a matter o
Re: [ubuntu-art] Getting something done
Who wrote: > Whopsie, PingunZ made the GDM from my images. Sorry PingunZ! > Something someone who *actually cares* to move their theme/idea forward to they packaging stage should learn when they dig through the example of your package. :) BTW, when are you gonna update Blubuntu? :P /me runs. -Cory \m/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Getting something done
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 7:49 PM, Who <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 7:35 PM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Matthew Nuzum wrote: >>> For >>> example, "Who" has been very active on the list lately and he is one >>> of the people who achieved this goal a few releases ago. And he didn't >>> even have PPAs available for his project! As a matter of fact, you can >>> benefit from his hard work by starting with the bluebuntu source >>> package and using it as the base for your own theme. > > Giving credit where due, Frank Schoep and Daniel Holbach managed the > packaging, I did the other bits :) > Whopsie, PingunZ made the GDM from my images. Sorry PingunZ! -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Getting something done
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 7:35 PM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Matthew Nuzum wrote: >> For >> example, "Who" has been very active on the list lately and he is one >> of the people who achieved this goal a few releases ago. And he didn't >> even have PPAs available for his project! As a matter of fact, you can >> benefit from his hard work by starting with the bluebuntu source >> package and using it as the base for your own theme. Giving credit where due, Frank Schoep and Daniel Holbach managed the packaging, I did the other bits :) > > Actually, example-look is better as Ubuntu Studio made it's initial art > packages from it. Improved it, then gave the changes back to example-look. Alongside ExampleLook as an example of packaging there is the Blubuntu Wiki which is still around - that gives a nice idea of how we got everything together for design. It isn't the best way to do it, but it did work... Maybe you can take some ideas from it, or even save yourself some time by just using it as a template (find and replace Blubuntu and you'll have a good generic template, I reckon...) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Blubuntu Everything else I would say about getting stuff done is here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2008-April/005837.html Ken's response suggests that he agreed then, not sure if he still does... -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Getting something done
Matthew Nuzum wrote: > For > example, "Who" has been very active on the list lately and he is one > of the people who achieved this goal a few releases ago. And he didn't > even have PPAs available for his project! As a matter of fact, you can > benefit from his hard work by starting with the bluebuntu source > package and using it as the base for your own theme. Actually, example-look is better as Ubuntu Studio made it's initial art packages from it. Improved it, then gave the changes back to example-look. > If in doubt, ask > for help either here or the MOTUs. > There will be little help there. Though it's still worth a try. Ken can't even get help with the *official* art packages. :P -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Getting something done
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Salane Ashcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Its just I hear stuff from people who have been here long, but what > have they done? Ken himself has said the art team needs to prove > itself to be trusted with anything substantial. In order for this team to have a success this time around, one person needs to take ownership of a project (a theme) and ensure that whatever needs to be done in order to get it complete and installable gets done. There are very few people who can create all of the graphical elements of a theme AND package it AND get it ready for distribution. But that's ok because one person doesn't need to *do* all of that. They just need to be tenacious enough to get it done, asking for help where necessary. As a matter of fact, the right person may not be able to do any of the tasks other than being able to get something done. It is a challenge but people on this list have accomplished it. For example, "Who" has been very active on the list lately and he is one of the people who achieved this goal a few releases ago. And he didn't even have PPAs available for his project! As a matter of fact, you can benefit from his hard work by starting with the bluebuntu source package and using it as the base for your own theme. If in doubt, ask for help either here or the MOTUs. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
